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Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« on: June 10, 2012, 05:11:56 PM »
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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2012, 05:30:41 PM »
Never thought of that, very cool idea, although I am curious how these grafted plants fare compared to plants with intact taproots in terms of drought tolerance.

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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2012, 05:52:33 PM »
I tried this on a bunch of sapodillas last years, didn't get any of them to take..... The thickness of the green sapote looks much easier to work with.

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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2012, 06:03:20 PM »
Great pictures and a great idea.Inverted grafted here usually mean saddle grafts like what is done on tiny mangoes.Wouldn't epicotyl and hypocotyl grafts have the same effect like they do on jackfruit?www.nt.gov.au/d/Content/File/p/Fruit/678.pdf
If you can bother scrolling through this grafting document it might give a few extra ideas.

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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2012, 07:38:46 PM »
Cool. Looking forward to seeing the results!  :)
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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2012, 07:54:45 PM »
Hi Adam,
AWESOME 8)...finally someone is giving this method a shot 8)

Please do keep us informed on the progress.

THX for sharing ;)
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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2012, 11:23:52 PM »
Adam,
Great job!  Looking good!

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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2012, 02:11:43 AM »
I think it was Julian Lara that pioneered inverted root grafting many years ago. I know he's done this graft on many mameys. There is also an article on the Fairchild website about inverted root grafts. It works well with mamey, green sapote, and canistel. Helps to dwarf the plants.
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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2012, 07:27:20 AM »
In a normal cleft graft, we'll see a cambium layer.  Is there anything like this in type method or does it not matter here?

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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2012, 10:25:14 AM »
Very interesting, cant wait to see the results.  Just to be clear, you are grafting GS scion onto the main taproot of the GS?

good luck,
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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2012, 10:50:50 AM »
In a normal cleft graft, we'll see a cambium layer.  Is there anything like this in type method or does it not matter here?

I did see a ring of cambium when I snipped the root to insert the scion...it was not too milky with sap either..it was very easy.
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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2012, 10:51:25 AM »
Good job, dude! I got inspired by your post and did a couple myself!
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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2012, 10:52:16 AM »
Very interesting, cant wait to see the results.  Just to be clear, you are grafting GS scion onto the main taproot of the GS?

good luck,
-Ethan

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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2012, 10:55:13 AM »
Good job, dude! I got inspired by your post and did a couple myself!

Cookiemonster,

u played a big role in helping me' do this graft.  thanks!

let me' know if u get any takes...I'll buy one!

best of luck!

ps did u use Mamey rootstock?
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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2012, 11:54:59 AM »
Eye used green sap rootstock too :-).

Good job, dude! I got inspired by your post and did a couple myself!

Cookiemonster,

u played a big role in helping me' do this graft.  thanks!

let me' know if u get any takes...I'll buy one!

best of luck!

ps did u use Mamey rootstock?
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2012, 12:01:27 PM »
On the fairchild webpage, they said to keep leaves on scion if I'm not mistaken...I think they put theirs in a mist bed, or bagged em.

I wonder how the success rate varies, with usage of buddy tape, vs. parafliming, or bagging.
Having a mist bed wouldn't hurt either.  You could get away with no bags or wraps over scion that way.  If I keep getting failures with the way I've been doing it, I may change up my stylisitics.
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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2012, 12:34:20 PM »
That is just crazyness! lol who would have ever thought of that: grafting onto the taproot of a plant

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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2012, 12:35:52 PM »
Luke,

Apparently it was Peruvian farmers, tinkering with lucuma, who gave the idea to the righteous dudes at farichild.

That is just crazyness! lol who would have ever thought of that: grafting onto the taproot of a plant

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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2012, 03:29:42 PM »
Adam,
I thought about using that grafting technique long time ago.  I don't want to spoil your great effort. My understanding is that the grafted trees grows well and then stops growing and fades away.  According to a reliable source,  "it is something related to some interference with the normal hormone axis of the plant".  I plan to visit one of the authors of that Fairchild article sometime soon.  I will ask about the long term outcome of root grafting. Maybe it will work well on green sapote!!!

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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2012, 04:19:33 PM »
Thanks Berto!

It wasn't too hard to do this graft, so I won't be sad if it fails.

I just liked the idea of trying something different.

I'm very happy you posted though, because now when the graft fails I have an excuse.   I won't have to blame myself!  and I may not keep trying the same graft over and over...just for fun for now...unless I have fruits in less than 4yrs!



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I thought about using that grafting technique long time ago.  I don't want to spoil your great effort. My understanding is that the grafted trees grows well and then stops growing and fades away.  According to a reliable source,  "it is something related to some interference with the normal hormone axis of the plant".  I plan to visit one of the authors of that Fairchild article sometime soon.  I will ask about the long term outcome of root grafting. Maybe it will work well on green sapote!!!
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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2012, 07:52:18 PM »
Adam,
I thought about using that grafting technique long time ago.  I don't want to spoil your great effort. My understanding is that the grafted trees grows well and then stops growing and fades away.  According to a reliable source,  "it is something related to some interference with the normal hormone axis of the plant".  I plan to visit one of the authors of that Fairchild article sometime soon.  I will ask about the long term outcome of root grafting. Maybe it will work well on green sapote!!!

I think this is wrong. The grafts at Fairchild succeeded in long term. And so have the ones Lara nursery has done. But you can talk to them to confirm it.
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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2012, 10:03:21 PM »
Correct. There are some trees planted out at Fairchild Farm that are doing well.

Adam,
I thought about using that grafting technique long time ago.  I don't want to spoil your great effort. My understanding is that the grafted trees grows well and then stops growing and fades away.  According to a reliable source,  "it is something related to some interference with the normal hormone axis of the plant".  I plan to visit one of the authors of that Fairchild article sometime soon.  I will ask about the long term outcome of root grafting. Maybe it will work well on green sapote!!!

I think this is wrong. The grafts at Fairchild succeeded in long term. And so have the ones Lara nursery has done. But you can talk to them to confirm it.
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2012, 10:06:16 PM »
Roots also have vascular cambium (that's how they grow in girth).

One of the tricks to this type of graft is getting budwood that's thin enough. To do it on a commercial scale, you'd have to tip the branches of the donor tree and wait for the sprouts to harden and time it right with sowing of the seeds.

In a normal cleft graft, we'll see a cambium layer.  Is there anything like this in type method or does it not matter here?
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Green Sapote, Inverted Root Graft (photos of attempt)
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2012, 07:11:23 AM »
Thanks Jeff.  Would really like to know what prompted the first person to come up with this idea!


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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2012, 01:15:17 PM »
From the looks of how weird this graft is, I'd say some native American's who grafted sacred cacti. 
Thanks Jeff.  Would really like to know what prompted the first person to come up with this idea!
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