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Title: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on February 02, 2012, 10:58:38 PM
Thought I would start a Dragon Fruit thread. Would love to see dragon fruit setups and talk about what varieties are being grown and how they taste. Will start by saying im growing 3 varieties in containers; Purple Haze, Physical Graffiti, Yellow Dragon. I am also working on rooting a few cuttings of different varieties. Have not gotten fruit yet, but expecting to maybe have it this year.

Physical Graffiti (In 18 gal tote self watering container)
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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NewGen on February 02, 2012, 11:40:39 PM
I have Hylocereus undatus: many flowers and fruits.
Hylocereus polyrhizus: red flesh, 1st time flowers last year, no fruits set.
Hylocereus megalanthus: still very short, hardly growing at all,  supposedly the fruits have yellow skin.
In the photos below, one 1 is of the red-flesh variety (H. polyrhizus). Notice that the flower buds have different coloration and the branches have different thorn pattern than the more popular H. undatus.
I also have a small branch of Physical Graffiti, not sure what its scientific name is.


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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on February 03, 2012, 12:43:47 AM
Physical Graffiti is said to be a Hylocerus Polyrhizus X Hylocereus Undatus hybrid (that is what Mattslandscape.com list it as). Beautiful pictures, how are the fruits?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NewGen on February 03, 2012, 01:58:36 AM
I would classify that over half of the fruits were on the sweet side, the rest kinda bland. I've heard that after the fruits set, you're supposed to reduce watering to get sweet fruits. I honestly don't remember my watering pattern when I had the fruits, it was over last summer, and it was pretty hot and dry here in my area, so more than likely I didn't withhold water. Will try to leave them thirsty this coming summer.  ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: sultry_jasmine_nights on February 03, 2012, 10:27:31 AM
I have 7 different kinds of dragonfruit in 3 gallon pots. I don't really have a 'setup' for them yet. I need to build some beds with wooden frames for them to climb and then I could cover them when it gets too cold. I am in a zn 9a (NE Florida) so I have not put them in anything permanent because I move them into the greenhouse during the winter months. I also bought a lot of my dragon fruit from mattslandscape 3 years ago. The plain H. undatus I have had for 5 years.  I really need to do something with them. I'm such a mean dragonfruit mommy!! haha
I also grow orchid cactus (ornamental epiphyllums) but just keep them in clay pots with hangers.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: sultry_jasmine_nights on February 03, 2012, 10:34:25 AM
I forgot to post my varieties lol: So far I have: Red Jaina, Costa Rican Sunset, Yellow Dragon, Physical Grafitti, H. undatus ( I think this is the plain white one it is the first one I bought and that is all the tag said), Voodoo Child, American Beauty. Some are much bigger than others. Some seem much slower growing than others.

 Are you guys growing your dragonfruit in full afternoon sun or dappled afternoon sun?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NewGen on February 03, 2012, 11:19:35 AM
sjn: how cold does it get in your area? I'm not sure that your DF need any protection. Mine are in full sun, with several summer days over 100 F (usually 90s) , and in the winter with low temps around the 30s.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: sultry_jasmine_nights on February 03, 2012, 11:41:58 AM
Well it seems to vary. This winter we only had a few days under 32, one in the 20's. The winter of 2009, we had several days down into the teens lol. I think it usually gets into the upper to mid 20's F a few times in the winter and several nights of 32F. It warms up pretty good during the daytime.  I have only been here 3 1/2 years so far so kinda figuring it out as I go. We got up into the 100's F a few times last summer but the direct sun here is not as burning hot as when I lived on the west coast, probably due to the humidity.

Soooo I am thinking, if I built a long wooden raised bed with a tall 2x4 frame around it I could cover it if I needed to and possibly even stick a small heater in there if it gets too cold.

Lenette
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Fruitguy on February 03, 2012, 04:28:14 PM
Has anyone seen a list which definitively distinguishes between the different species?  There is much information available from nurseries and websites that lists characteristics of some species, but the more you look the more that it becomes apparent that most people are simply repeating what they have been told or read somewhere.  Making matters worse is the renaming of dragonfruit cultivars by reputable nurseries such as Pine Island.  I believe that it was Murahilin that discovered that many of their named cultivars formerly had different names when they were grown by the late Jim Thompson of California.  Any chance you've still got that list Murahilin?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on February 03, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
Great topic nullzero!  I'm currently growing Halley's Comet, American Beauty, Vietnamese White, Yellow DF, Frankies Red and something I call Simon's Red.  The Vietnamese White is the easiest to grow and fruit for me.  I have the most difficult time growing the Yellow DF outdoors but the easiest time growing it indoors under T5 lighting.  My yellow DF grew 3 branches, each that grew about 2 feet in about a month and a half in the winter indoors. 

I just took cuttings from each plant and I'm going to start new with a planned out set up.  Previously, I just stuck them in a pot and let them climb everywhere.  They grew and fruited well this way but it was sloppy looking.  This time, I'm going to try growing them in smart pots and grow them as a DF tree like they do in Vietnam. 

I grow my DF in full sun but they do get burned in the summertime.  This summer, I may throw some shade cloth over them during the hottest part of the summer. 
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NewGen on February 03, 2012, 06:52:29 PM
Great topic nullzero!  I'm currently growing Halley's Comet, American Beauty, Vietnamese White, Yellow DF, Frankies Red and something I call Simon's Red.  The Vietnamese White is the easiest to grow and fruit for me. I have the most difficult time growing the Yellow DF outdoors but the easiest time growing it indoors under T5 lighting.  My yellow DF grew 3 branches, each that grew about 2 feet in about a month and a half in the winter indoors. 

I just took cuttings from each plant and I'm going to start new with a planned out set up.  Previously, I just stuck them in a pot and let them climb everywhere.  They grew and fruited well this way but it was sloppy looking.  This time, I'm going to try growing them in smart pots and grow them as a DF tree like they do in Vietnam. 

I grow my DF in full sun but they do get burned in the summertime.  This summer, I may throw some shade cloth over them during the hottest part of the summer. 
Simon

Simon,
What do you suppose is the reason that the yellow DF is more difficult to grow? I have a yellow DF branch, I stuck it into the ground next to the others, it just withered and died, while the others grew normally. Why does it grow better indoor? Humidity?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NewGen on February 03, 2012, 06:53:47 PM
I have Hylocereus undatus: many flowers and fruits.
Hylocereus polyrhizus: red flesh, 1st time flowers last year, no fruits set.
Hylocereus megalanthus: never could adapt to my area, is now dead,  supposedly the fruits have yellow skin. Maybe I need to grow it indoor?
In the photos below, one 1 is of the red-flesh variety (H. polyrhizus). Notice that the flower buds have different coloration and the branches have different thorn pattern than the more popular H. undatus.
I also have a small branch of Physical Graffiti, not sure what its scientific name is.


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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: sultry_jasmine_nights on February 04, 2012, 03:25:07 PM
I did a little research on the yellow dragonfruit. Its botanical name is Selenicereus Megalanthus. It is not in the same family as the Hylocereus. It
seems to like more shade and a sandier mix and not as much water as the Hylocereus varieties. I found a research paper that said the Selenicereus Megalanthus is a tetraploid whereas the Hylocereus is a diploid. So they are more different than I thought.  I saw another research paper that said the S. Megalanthus reacts more to C02 levels by producing greater growth than the Hylocereus.
Some of this probably explains why mine has hardly grown at all, I have had it in quite a bit of sun and a richer potting mix. I have not watered anything as much as I should have this past year just due to being busy lol so I guess that is a good thing with this plant.
 I have a Selenicereus grandiflorus (night blooming-ornamental climbing cactus) and I have it in dappled light under a huge live oak and potted in a very sandy mixture and don't water it all that often. It grows very long branches and does pretty well. I guess I will move the yellow dragonfruit next to it and repot it in similar media and see what happens.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: lycheeluva on February 04, 2012, 04:48:14 PM
awesome setup newgen- and beautiful pics. if i had room, i would grow them just based on how beautiful your pics are
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on February 04, 2012, 06:19:23 PM
I made this 5 weeks ago. It was very simple to construct if anyone is interested in the supply list and instructions. I am growing Physical Grafitti and Haley's Comet. I also have American Beauty rooting in a separate pot. I have had a huge growth spurt in the last week. I am looking forward to fruit!
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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: sultry_jasmine_nights on February 04, 2012, 07:04:14 PM
That's a really nice set up marinfla. Does the post go all the way through the pot and into the ground? I like how the trellis is supported with the wire underneath. 
I have all mine in 3 gal pots and really need to do something with them. Some of them have several branches but keep getting broken off because I have nothing supporting them lol.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: amrkhalido on February 04, 2012, 08:06:46 PM
i grow few yellow dragon fruit from seeds ,,, will they bear true to type ,,

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 04, 2012, 08:18:23 PM
Has anyone noticed American Beauty being more cold hardy that other varieties? I left my potted dragon fruit out this season to fend for themselves. Due to them being pretty tasteless they did not make the cut for be moved into the greenhouse. I had physical graffiti, American Beauty, Oblong, and Purple haze. All are total mush aside from the American beauty that seems totally unharmed. They were all in the same pot so I am not sure how this is possible.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: siafu on February 04, 2012, 08:54:01 PM
i grow few yellow dragon fruit from seeds ,,, will they bear true to type ,,

Very much doubt it, from my experience, yellow dragon fruit seedlings produce decent quality fruit.
Mine were sweet but a little smaller than a selected variety.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on February 04, 2012, 10:05:16 PM
Yes, the post is through the bottom of the pot and into ground about 18 - 24 inches roughly. I just didn't want the plants growing directly in the ground so this was the next best solution. It is  a very sturdy set up.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JoeP450 on February 07, 2012, 03:56:09 PM
Hey I like the idea of this thread! Below is a picture of my progress of growing dragon fruit so far. My brother gave me a tip that there was this rogue dragon fruit vine growing in this public park in Boca Raton FL, so equipped with gloves a trash bag and some hand clippers we went guerrilla and got some cuttings (the first picture) this was back in June of 2011. Next, I built a crazy trellis out of 4x4's 2x4's and pieced it together with dry wall screws. Pretty rugged job as I did it all without a level and tape measure just screwed it all together and buried the 4x4's about 1.5 ft deep. The cuttings were so easy to root just let them dry out for a day and stuck one cutting on each flat side of the base of the 4x4. Also I bought some long zip-ties from home depot and as the cuttings grew larger I would zip tie them to the trellis to promote the roots to latch onto the trellis and after awhile I would cut off the zip-ties. The second picture is probably 5 months after planting and the final picture was taken in mid january of 2012. I can't believe how easy it is to grow dragon fruit and it literally just grows and I never water it a perk of it being a cactus I guess. Really hoping it fruits this year, excited to see which type of dragon fruit this is...
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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on February 07, 2012, 04:00:26 PM
Joe,

Looking good like the support you made.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on February 07, 2012, 07:58:28 PM
Not exactly sure about why the Yellow DF is so much more difficult for many of us to grow.  Leo Manuel from the CRFG San Diego has it growing in his backyard in full sun and it fruits pretty well.  My yellow DF grew more in about 1 month under artificial light than it did all year outside.  I read somewhere that the Yellow DF are supposed to be able to withstand more sun but they are less cold hardy and get badly damaged by frost. 

Frankies Red is supposed to be a cross between a Yellow DF and a Red Fleshed variety.  From what I've read online, people are suggesting that the Yellow DF will grow better and produce larger fruit when they are grafted onto a Red fleshed DF variety, they didn't mention grafting onto a white fleshed variety.  My easiest to grow and fruit variety is the Vietnamese White so I will attempt to graft some Yellow DF on my Vietnamese White and also my Halley's Comet.
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on February 07, 2012, 08:37:12 PM
Hey I like the idea of this thread! Below is a picture of my progress of growing dragon fruit so far. My brother gave me a tip that there was this rogue dragon fruit vine growing in this public park in Boca Raton FL, so equipped with gloves a trash bag and some hand clippers we went guerrilla and got some cuttings (the first picture) this was back in June of 2011. Next, I built a crazy trellis out of 4x4's 2x4's and pieced it together with dry wall screws. Pretty rugged job as I did it all without a level and tape measure just screwed it all together and buried the 4x4's about 1.5 ft deep. The cuttings were so easy to root just let them dry out for a day and stuck one cutting on each flat side of the base of the 4x4. Also I bought some long zip-ties from home depot and as the cuttings grew larger I would zip tie them to the trellis to promote the roots to latch onto the trellis and after awhile I would cut off the zip-ties. The second picture is probably 5 months after planting and the final picture was taken in mid january of 2012. I can't believe how easy it is to grow dragon fruit and it literally just grows and I never water it a perk of it being a cactus I guess. Really hoping it fruits this year, excited to see which type of dragon fruit this is...
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Those are really nice healthy looking cuttings. They are growing really nicely too on the trellis you built. Does anyone know what variety they may be? Maybe someone has seen them with fruit on them to ID. What part of Boca Raton is the park? It would be a sight to see them growing wild like that. I would love to see it.  Hopefully for you they are some fantastically sweet tasting variety! Great Job.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 08, 2012, 06:08:41 AM
i grow few yellow dragon fruit from seeds ,,, will they bear true to type ,,

Very much doubt it, from my experience, yellow dragon fruit seedlings produce decent quality fruit.
Mine were sweet but a little smaller than a selected variety.

Siafu
Did you grow your's from seeds? I got 9 1 year old seedlings! How long do they take to produce?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: SteveP540 on February 09, 2012, 11:19:11 AM
Ayo marinfla, it's off palmetto pkwy next to intercoastal bridge, should be on a pine tree NW corner before bridge.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on March 07, 2012, 01:23:37 AM
I am very amazed at just how fast these plants grow! Below are the pictures comparing  January to March and the growth in just 2 months!


January 2012

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March 2012.

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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: adiel on March 07, 2012, 02:36:51 PM
Hey I like the idea of this thread! Below is a picture of my progress of growing dragon fruit so far. My brother gave me a tip that there was this rogue dragon fruit vine growing in this public park in Boca Raton FL, so equipped with gloves a trash bag and some hand clippers we went guerrilla and got some cuttings (the first picture) this was back in June of 2011. Next, I built a crazy trellis out of 4x4's 2x4's and pieced it together with dry wall screws. Pretty rugged job as I did it all without a level and tape measure just screwed it all together and buried the 4x4's about 1.5 ft deep. The cuttings were so easy to root just let them dry out for a day and stuck one cutting on each flat side of the base of the 4x4. Also I bought some long zip-ties from home depot and as the cuttings grew larger I would zip tie them to the trellis to promote the roots to latch onto the trellis and after awhile I would cut off the zip-ties. The second picture is probably 5 months after planting and the final picture was taken in mid january of 2012. I can't believe how easy it is to grow dragon fruit and it literally just grows and I never water it a perk of it being a cactus I guess. Really hoping it fruits this year, excited to see which type of dragon fruit this is...
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That is a really cool setup.
Title: dragon fruit/pitaya varietals
Post by: happyisland on March 19, 2012, 04:07:13 PM
Pine Island's site has a bunch of named types, but their information is a little too booster-ish to be totally trustworthy. Other googling, was inconclusive.

Dragon people, what are your top 5 varietals (by taste)?
Title: Re: dragon fruit/pitaya varietals
Post by: pj1881 (Patrick) on March 19, 2012, 04:17:08 PM
I like American Beauty and Natural Mystic, the white varieties seem to taste like aloe dipped in sugar...
Title: Re: dragon fruit/pitaya varietals
Post by: nullzero on March 19, 2012, 04:34:35 PM
I talked to Edgar Valdivia briefly at green scene about Dragon Fruit and good varieties. I told him I was growing Physical Graffiti and Purple Haze. Both he said had excellent taste and were great varieties, seemed to have good praise for both those varieties.

I forgot to ask him what his favorite DF variety was, but he told me Purple Haze and Physical Graffiti ranked high in the CRFG taste tests.

Was going to say this thread could just be rolled into the Dragon Fruit thread. We need more talk about varieties, taste, and pictures under that thread.
Title: Re: dragon fruit/pitaya varietals
Post by: happyisland on March 19, 2012, 04:53:47 PM
Cool - thanks for the varietal recommendations, guys! I needed about four for a project I'm going to do at a friend's house.

Another question: should I just get them from Pine Island, or is there someone else in this community who would be even more deserving of the business?



Title: Re: dragon fruit/pitaya varietals
Post by: simon_grow on March 19, 2012, 05:38:01 PM
I went to the dragonfruit festival several years ago and American Beauty and Halley's Comet were two of the favorites.  I have personally tasted many named and unnamed varieties and my favorites are American Beauty, Yellow DF, Halley's comet and Simon's Red.  Simon's Red is just an unnamed variety I got from my wife's parents.  I wanted to give it a name so that it can be tracked for future reference.  Yellow DF is small but extremely sweet, almost too sweet but its still  very good.  It's so sweet that it tastes almost syrupy sweet and if you don't like super sweet, you may not like it as much. 

American Beauty, Halley's Comet and Simon's Red are all about the same in terms of sweetness and flavor.  Halley's Comet is the largest grower in my yard followed by American Beauty(very round and symetrical) and Simon's Red is the smallest being just smaller than American Beauty.  Productions wise, Simon's Red produces earliest and the most fruit while Halley's Comet takes a while to fruit and has much fewer fruit.  American Beauty is intermediate. 

From my experiences, the sweetness and flavor depends a lot on when the fruit was harvested and how and where it was grown.  It seems the longer you keep it on the vine after turning red, the sweeter it is but if you leave it too long, the inside becomes mushy.  I like to leave mine on the vine for 1-2 weeks after the fruit turns almost completely red to get the highest sugar content and still have the fruit kind of firm.  If the weather is hot and sunny, I pick them about 5-7 days after turning completely red on the outside.  If its overcast and cold, I let it sit on the vine about 2 weeks. 

If anyone would like a free cutting of Simon's Red, I have a couple available for local pick up but you have to give a description of the fruit if and when it produces for you.

Simon
Title: Re: dragon fruit/pitaya varietals
Post by: happyisland on March 19, 2012, 09:42:09 PM
Thanks Simon - good info. I'm going to call Pine Island tomorrow and place an order!
Title: Re: dragon fruit/pitaya varietals
Post by: Fruitguy on March 19, 2012, 10:04:53 PM
A general rule of thumb is to harvest dragonfruit 35 days after pollination.  Naturally this will vary by a few depending on what variety you are growing, time of year (season), and climate.  Another general rule of thumb method to tell when dragonfruit are ripe is when the scales start to lose their green color.  You can also increase the size of the fruit by cross-pollinating with different varieties.  This will take some trial and error to determine which ones result in the largest increase. 
Title: Re: dragon fruit/pitaya varietals
Post by: Ethan on March 20, 2012, 01:16:06 AM
Ramiro Lobo gave a speech at the Festival of Fruits a few years ago, and brought tons of DF from the field station in San Diego.  Luckily for me, the weekend (or two) before was the DF festival so there were only about 8 of us attending his lecture.  This made for boxes of fruits for everyone, an awesome experience.  To me the darker magenta fleshed fruits (more H. polyrhizus?) tasted the best and surprisingly there was one white DF that was good, had some citrus notes. 

-Ethan
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Fruitguy on March 20, 2012, 11:59:03 PM
Ramiro Lobo gave a speech at the Festival of Fruits a few years ago, and brought tons of DF from the field station in San Diego.  Luckily for me, the weekend (or two) before was the DF festival so there were only about 8 of us attending his lecture.  This made for boxes of fruits for everyone, an awesome experience.  To me the darker magenta fleshed fruits (more H. polyrhizus?) tasted the best and surprisingly there was one white DF that was good, had some citrus notes. 

-Ethan

Your question mark raises an interesting subject - how does one distinguish between the different species?  If any feels they have a good source of information on this topic, please share!  Based on what I have seen communicated, most people tend to call the white-fleshed fruit H. undatus, and the red- or magenta-fleshed fruits anything from H. polyrhizus to H. guatamalensis to H. costaricensis to H. triangularis, and possibly one or two other names.  Surely there must be another "authority" to distinguish between the species.  Also, has anyone even seen the flesh color of fruit being a distinguishing characteristic to divide species?  I can't think of one at the moment, although admittedly it is getting on the late side here on the east coast of the U.S. and it's probably past the time I should be going to sleep.  Nonetheless, I will share a source that I found, not to suggest that it is definitive by any stretch of the imagination, and this is a book titled "The Cactaceae Family" by Edward F. Anderson. published in 2001.  This book breaks down the Hylocereus genus into 18 species:

H. calcaratus
H. costaricensis
H. escuintlensis
H. estebanesis
H. guatamalensis
H. lemairei
H. microcladus
H. minutiflorus
H. monacanthus
H. ocamponis
H. peruvianus
H. polyrhizus
H. purpusii
H. scandens
H. stenopterus
H. triangularis
H. trigonis
H. undatus

None of the descriptions mention fruit flesh color.  Many of the differences have to do with the margins of the tubercles and the number of spines on the areoles.  For several of the species listed above, the book concedes that not much is known about them.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Ethan on March 21, 2012, 12:47:00 AM
To make it more difficult, did all of Selenicereus get lumped in w/Hylocereus or just S. megalanthus?

-Ethan
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on March 26, 2012, 09:15:21 PM
I am off on Mondays and decided to go for a sightseeing tour to check out the dragon fruit growing wild on Palmetto by the inter-coastal bridge on the way to see my daughter. It was a road trip gone wrong. Took the scenic route up A1A  along the beach.... Big mistake....Some lady pulls out of the Boca Resort's Beach Club and T-Bones me  :'(  I never did get to see the wild dragon fruit, only my pretty baby all smashed up driving off on a flat bed!
Never thought the love of seeing tropical fruit could be dangerous LOL Maybe I should be driving a tank or a tractor!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on March 26, 2012, 09:18:06 PM
I am off on Mondays and decided to go for a sightseeing tour to check out the dragon fruit growing wild on Palmetto by the inter-coastal bridge on the way to see my daughter. It was a road trip gone wrong. Took the scenic route up A1A  along the beach.... Big mistake....Some lady pulls out of the Boca Resort's Beach Club and T-Bones me  :'(  I never did get to see the wild dragon fruit, only my pretty baby all smashed up driving off on a flat bed!
Never thought the love of seeing tropical fruit could be dangerous LOL Maybe I should be driving a tank or a tractor!

Sorry to hear, I hope you are doing ok. It sucks being in a road accident :(.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on March 26, 2012, 09:26:08 PM
Cars are replaceable... I too hope you're ok, not too much damage.  Did you tell the other person to call Harry?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on March 26, 2012, 10:20:28 PM
Cars are replaceable... I too hope you're ok, not too much damage.  Did you tell the other person to call Harry?

LOL I think she needs him! The police did give her a ticket. I am doing fine thank God, no serious injury just a little sore and mostly bummed that my car is wrecked. The car is made of fiberglass so it got fairly trashed. The whole event was surreal. Someday I will make it by to see the wild dragon fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: RodneyS on March 26, 2012, 10:23:29 PM
I obtained cuttings of Phoenix Red dragonfruit from a friend.  Does anyone have info on this cultivar.  It's already pushing new growth. 

Besides Phoenix Red, I have-

Voodoo Child
Purple Haze
Physical Graffiti
Giant Vietnamese
Yellow
Thai Red
American Beauty

The Giant Vietnamese was the only one that has fruited so far.  It bore 2 fruits last year.  It's white flesh but the taste was very nice.  Subtley sweet.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on March 26, 2012, 10:53:31 PM
I obtained cuttings of Phoenix Red dragonfruit from a friend.  Does anyone have info on this cultivar.  It's already pushing new growth. 

Besides Phoenix Red, I have-

Voodoo Child
Purple Haze
Physical Graffiti
Giant Vietnamese
Yellow
Thai Red
American Beauty

The Giant Vietnamese was the only one that has fruited so far.  It bore 2 fruits last year.  It's white flesh but the taste was very nice.  Subtley sweet.

Rodney,

Would love to see some pictures of all the dragon fruits you are growing. I heard Phoenix Red was very good DF.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on March 26, 2012, 10:57:30 PM
I obtained cuttings of Phoenix Red dragonfruit from a friend.  Does anyone have info on this cultivar.  It's already pushing new growth. 

Besides Phoenix Red, I have-

Voodoo Child
Purple Haze
Physical Graffiti
Giant Vietnamese
Yellow
Thai Red
American Beauty

The Giant Vietnamese was the only one that has fruited so far.  It bore 2 fruits last year.  It's white flesh but the taste was very nice.  Subtley sweet.

Rodney,

Would love to see some pictures of all the dragon fruits you are growing. I heard Phoenix Red was very good DF.
I would love to see pictures too.
How do you tell which variety the fruit is growing (Of course I am assuming they are growing together)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: RodneyS on March 26, 2012, 11:05:09 PM
I keep them in separate pots with a Redwood picket fence board as the trellis.  They do fine in containers and leaves yard space for other fruits
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Fruitguy on March 27, 2012, 07:59:19 AM
How do you tell which variety the fruit is growing (Of course I am assuming they are growing together)

A few ways to distinguish w/o the fruit are:
(1) The average number of spines on the areoles.  Have seen them range between 0-7.
(2) The appearance of the ridges between the areoles. Some are flat, others more wavy.
(3) Some stems are glaucous, or have a gray/blue appearance.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: sultry_jasmine_nights on March 27, 2012, 10:17:24 AM
I too have a hard time telling them apart without the tags or I just write on the stems with sharpie but have to keep going over it because it fades in the sun. I can't have tags that go into the ground or pots because the chickens favorite thing to do is pull out those tags!
 Some like Costa Rican Sunset, I can tell which it is because the spines are very thick. Some varieties of dragonfruit are more wavy and some straighter. Some have slimmer stems and some are thicker. I guess you get just used to how they look after awhile then you can tell lol.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JoeP450 on March 27, 2012, 12:17:39 PM
Oh Marin I am sorry to hear about the accident!

I agree telling the difference between cultivars is difficult and I honestly have no clue where to start. Speaking of ID-ing DF cultivars my brother recently brought home some cuttings from a friends neighbor without any info about the DF. I have provided pics of the new cuttings next to the currently growing cuttings we gathered from the wild DF in Boca Raton. The noticeable difference is that the new cuttings are dark green, have 7 spines, and are thicker. Any help with cultivar ID is much appreciated.

New cutting on left in dark green.
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/05e7c0d7.jpg)

Seven spines on new cutting.
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/0a7778dd.jpg)

Only four spines on wild boca raton find.
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/ff5567b1.jpg)

_JoeP450
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Fruitzilla on March 27, 2012, 09:20:27 PM
Yellow Dragon Fruit --

I have not had the opportunity to taste a yellow dragon fruit yet.
Just curious how those who have would rate them?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: HMHausman on March 28, 2012, 12:18:17 PM
Yellow Dragon Fruit --

I have not had the opportunity to taste a yellow dragon fruit yet.
Just curious how those who have would rate them?

Beautiful flowering habit, very interesting exterior appearance of the fruit,  nice flavor (one of the more flavorful white fleshed dragonfruits), thorns on the fruit are a pain until the fruit is mature....at which time they can be brushed off easily.  But.....these things are so darned small it is almost not worth the effort. Literally, there is maybe 2-3 teaspoons of edible flesh per fruit.  or at least that is how mine have been.  I hear there are some larger ones around....but so far, I haven't seen nor be able to source any.

Ha
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Fruitguy on March 28, 2012, 01:46:10 PM

Beautiful flowering habit, very interesting exterior appearance of the fruit,  nice flavor (one of the more flavorful white fleshed dragonfruits), thorns on the fruit are a pain until the fruit is mature....at which time they can be brushed off easily.  But.....these things are so darned small it is almost not worth the effort. Literally, there is maybe 2-3 teaspoons of edible flesh per fruit.  or at least that is how mine have been.  I hear there are some larger ones around....but so far, I haven't seen nor be able to source any.

Ha

All of the people that I know who grow it here in South Florida have the same problem - very small fruit.  The only place I have seen the "normal" sized fruit is in Colombia.  I'm certain that all of the ones here are not from the same source.  One day someone will discover what is holding us back and then...LOOK OUT!  :) ;)  In my opinion, much sweeter than any of the H. undatus around.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: amrkhalido on March 28, 2012, 07:38:55 PM
i got yellow dragon fruit from taiwan ,, singapore ,, and they were huge and super sweet ,, they are the best ,, red ones with white flesh were soo bland and tasteless ,, i didn't taste the red fleshed ones yet ,, i wish i did have time or remembered to bring cuttings

Amr
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on April 27, 2012, 04:21:50 PM
I am very amazed at just how fast these plants grow! Below are the pictures comparing  January to March and the growth in just 2 months!


January 2012

([url]http://s15.postimage.org/isdp9iuyv/20111231_163333.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/isdp9iuyv/[/url])

March 2012.

([url]http://s16.postimage.org/wq0p298wh/dragonfruit_3_12a.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/wq0p298wh/[/url])

([url]http://s13.postimage.org/jqq5r4qb7/dragonfruit_3_12.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/jqq5r4qb7/[/url])



April 2012
AMAZING GROWTH in just 3 MONTHS
(http://s16.postimage.org/6fe50m329/20120427_150208.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6fe50m329/)


(http://s7.postimage.org/87i350htj/20120427_153158.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/87i350htj/)


(http://s17.postimage.org/dwnsz54dn/20120427_150104.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dwnsz54dn/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on April 27, 2012, 04:32:27 PM
Nice update, I like the side by side photo comparisons in growth rate. Photo journal for me is a great way to keep track of flowering, fruiting, growth rates, etc.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on April 27, 2012, 05:52:47 PM
The Yellow DF that I have tasted in Hong Kong were very large compared to those grown in the US.  When I did research on the subject, I read that they grafted the Yellow DF onto Red fleshed varieties which is supposed to drastically increase the size of the fruit. 
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on April 27, 2012, 06:02:31 PM
You guys are so lucky to have access to the Mattslandscapes and Pine Island nursery selections.In this parellel universe we make do with lesser entities and almost no hybrids.I have about 10 varieties and my most glamorous type is a giant self fertile columbian red.It is no doubt pretty ordinary compared to physical graffiti.I could plant the seeds and wait 4 years I suppose.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on April 27, 2012, 09:12:30 PM
You guys are so lucky to have access to the Mattslandscapes and Pine Island nursery selections.In this parellel universe we make do with lesser entities and almost no hybrids.I have about 10 varieties and my most glamorous type is a giant self fertile columbian red.It is no doubt pretty ordinary compared to physical graffiti.I could plant the seeds and wait 4 years I suppose.

Or when my trellis grows out to desired dimensions and I have to prune it back I could send you some cuttings. They grow like weeds and root quickly in ordinary potting soil.
Marin
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on April 27, 2012, 09:37:49 PM
Unlike your dazzling smile there are gaps in my collection, more like an alabama grin, due to quarantine preventing live plants coming into this fair land.This morning I was frolicking through my collection of durian,mangosteen,longkong,duku,rambutan and many other fruit trees but my excitement was moderated by my second rate dragon fruit.My sugar apples are also occupying spots where illama and soncoya should be.Even tho I enjoyed a bounty of rambai,matisia and rambutan after dinner last night I will never have much of a meso-american selection as only seeds are allowed in.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on April 27, 2012, 10:24:59 PM
Unlike your dazzling smile there are gaps in my collection, more like an alabama grin, due to quarantine preventing live plants coming into this fair land.This morning I was frolicking through my collection of durian,mangosteen,longkong,duku,rambutan and many other fruit trees but my excitement was moderated by my second rate dragon fruit.My sugar apples are also occupying spots where illama and soncoya should be.Even tho I enjoyed a bounty of rambai,matisia and rambutan after dinner last night I will never have much of a meso-american selection as only seeds are allowed in.

Thanks  ;D
Ok Then I will save some seeds from one the Physical Grafitti fruits when they finally start producing and send some. When you see a post by me showing they are finally fruiting remind me to send you some seeds!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on April 27, 2012, 10:34:28 PM
Marin Fla that is mighty generous of you.When and if the event takes place you'll be handsomely rewarded with a few things I
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on April 27, 2012, 10:36:39 PM
Sorry, premature posting,it has never happened before.As I was saying I have a pretty good selection and we can get down to the nitty griity when the time comes.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ggpalms on April 28, 2012, 01:38:30 AM
Okay you guys are growing some fine dragons!

Here is a list of my dragons:

Halleys Comet

Physical Grafitti

American Beauty

Makisupia

Vietnamese Jana (Please be careful when pronouncing this one!)
Say it and think about it. Some here in Florida renamed it Pearl from my understanding. I wonder why?
Hey what the heck it's just a word right?

Delight

Purple Haze

Will post some pics in the days and weeks ahead.

Jason "Pepe" http://www.pepesplants.com (http://www.pepesplants.com)

PS
In California Mr. Edgar Valdivia is one of the top persons to go to on the subject!

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on April 28, 2012, 03:27:08 PM

Vietnamese Jana (Please be careful when pronouncing this one!)
Say it and think about it. Some here in Florida renamed it Pearl from my understanding. I wonder why?
Hey what the heck it's just a word right?

lmao.... yes people are overly sensitive and too politically correct on everything.  I prefer the "Vietnamese Jaina" myself  ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on April 29, 2012, 01:07:09 AM
 ;D ^
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on June 16, 2012, 10:37:40 AM
I am very amazed at just how fast these plants grow! Below are the pictures comparing  January to March and the growth in just 2 months!


January 2012

([url]http://s15.postimage.org/isdp9iuyv/20111231_163333.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/isdp9iuyv/[/url])

March 2012.

([url]http://s16.postimage.org/wq0p298wh/dragonfruit_3_12a.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/wq0p298wh/[/url])

([url]http://s13.postimage.org/jqq5r4qb7/dragonfruit_3_12.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/jqq5r4qb7/[/url])



April 2012
AMAZING GROWTH in just 3 MONTHS
([url]http://s16.postimage.org/6fe50m329/20120427_150208.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/6fe50m329/[/url])


([url]http://s7.postimage.org/87i350htj/20120427_153158.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/87i350htj/[/url])


([url]http://s17.postimage.org/dwnsz54dn/20120427_150104.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/dwnsz54dn/[/url])


UPDATE :June 15, 2012
Growing Nicely

(http://s13.postimage.org/l1tx3y24j/DSCN0960.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/l1tx3y24j/)


Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on June 16, 2012, 03:26:46 PM
To make it more difficult, did all of Selenicereus get lumped in w/Hylocereus or just S. megalanthus?

-Ethan

Only megalanthus was reclassified into Hylocereus. Selenicereus normally has more than 3 ribs, so megalanthus is closer to Hylocereus. There may be other factors but this is the most apparent.

I have about a dozen kinds but I lost some interest in these. They don't take much work so I just leave them be.

Guatamalan types:
- Santa Barbara Red (collected wild from Central America)
- Condor
- American Beauty
- G2 (part of Paul Thomson's original wild selections for crossing, thin compact vines)

Unnamed:
- H. polyrhisus
- H. megalanthus (yellow)

Paul Thomson's hybrids:
- Halley's Comet
- Physical Graffiti (fastest growing)
- Delight
- S8 (Voodoo Child, Arizona Purple)

Whites:
- George (George Emerich the father of cherimoya in CA)
- Quang Ong's white (my name for where it's from)

Others:
- Valdivia Roja (mexican origin from Valdivia ranch, small but numerous fruits, very good tasting, waxy rough texture bluish stem)
- Sin Espina (no spine)
- Purple Haze
- Zamorano
- Tricia (Ed Valdivia's daughter, elongated fruit, deep red flesh, polyrhisus with tendency to alternate between 3 and 4 ribs)


Guatemalan type has clearly lobed ribs with magenta-fleshed fruits and good sweetness. This is the type that was said to be more frost resistant earlier in the thread.
H. costaricansis is interesting and taste can vary from bland to slighly cucumber to very sour. The deep red flesh is very appealing.

I like Valdivia Roja, Halley's Comet, Voodoo Child, and the Guatemalan ones.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on July 23, 2012, 10:17:15 PM
I am very excited to post my July 2012 update. Not only has my dragon fruit trellis grown like crazy.... but today I went to inspect some  nubs of new growth to discover they were actually the beginnings of some FLOWERS!!!!
This project started January 1st  and  7+ months later and there are flowers. I really didn't expect flowering success this soon. I now am hopeful for a fruit or two.

JAN 1ST, 2012
(http://s18.postimage.org/b9ezj8s5h/dragon_fruit_1_12.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/b9ezj8s5h/)


JULY 23RD, 2012
(http://s12.postimage.org/bt4vtax95/20120723_113625.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bt4vtax95/)
(http://s16.postimage.org/w06vyxmrl/20120723_113702.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/w06vyxmrl/)

(http://s12.postimage.org/6ljsougnt/20120723_113715.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6ljsougnt/)

(http://s9.postimage.org/3l191cy6j/20120723_113830.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3l191cy6j/)




Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on July 24, 2012, 04:54:34 PM
I am very excited to post my July 2012 update. Not only has my dragon fruit trellis grown like crazy.... but today I went to inspect some  nubs of new growth to discover they were actually the beginnings of some FLOWERS!!!!
This project started January 1st  and  7+ months later and there are flowers. I really didn't expect flowering success this soon. I now am hopeful for a fruit or two.

 I'm kinda running in parallel with you, I finished my trellises and planted my Dragon Fruits back in Feb. Got my very first DF bud ever on my Purple Haze. Developing like crazy, the picture is from this last Sunday, and it has grown about a half inch by today (Tuesday).
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/PurpleHaze1.jpg)
I just want to see the flower open on the one night that it does.

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on July 24, 2012, 05:14:14 PM
I have Haley's Comet, PHysical Graffitti and American Beauty in that set up....the flowers are developing on the Physical Graffitti. That fower of yours is a good size. So exciting!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cyclonenat on July 24, 2012, 05:38:43 PM
haha i failed over wintering mine :P
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Jag on July 26, 2012, 06:28:29 PM
I bought a ~12 inch cutting of Physical Graffiti online just over 2 years ago. The first year I was uncertain how much sun I should give it, so I gave it too little and it didn't grow very much. Last year I just put it out in the garden until winter and it exploded with growth. Now I finally have my first flower.

This picture is a couple days old. The flower has now grown a few inches past the ring above it in the image. Just gotta hope it pollinates and maybe I'll get to taste my first ever dragon fruit.
(http://s11.postimage.org/eptulvwfj/dragonfruitflowerbud.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/eptulvwfj/)

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Jag on July 28, 2012, 11:01:01 PM
Happened to check my dragon fruit tonight and found this. Didn't realize the blooms would be quite this beautiful in person. Smell reminds me of magnolia flowers.


(http://s14.postimage.org/3p35q0swt/XWfg_V.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3p35q0swt/)


Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on July 28, 2012, 11:30:12 PM
A few months ago a friend got a selection of 12 of matts landscapes best hybrids and picked up seeds in china of self fertile giant yellow and sweet vietnamese red.I have about 12 locally available types an my latest acquisition is H.ocamponis and here is a pic of a fruit from the mother plant a few months ago.Forget the camera happy atemoya that horned in on the action.
 
(http://s13.postimage.org/49qghlfxf/DSCF4528.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/49qghlfxf/)

The plant of ocamponis is extra prickly.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on August 05, 2012, 08:59:54 AM
My Purple Haze flower opened last night (Saturday). ;D
Here is last evening.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/PurpleHaze4.jpg)
Here is this morning.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/PurpleHaze6.jpg)
If all goes well and it sets fruit, should be ready in early Sept.

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on August 06, 2012, 12:31:51 PM
Thought I should join in on the fun  ;D

(http://s10.postimage.org/vun6nk0s5/20120804_192647.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/vun6nk0s5/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/4lbt91zp1/20120804_192709.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4lbt91zp1/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/y1w0p7vg5/20120804_192728.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y1w0p7vg5/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/iug14v3lh/20120804_192731.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/iug14v3lh/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/p9f21jab9/20120804_192756.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/p9f21jab9/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on August 06, 2012, 12:39:24 PM
Thought I should join in on the fun  ;D

([url]http://s10.postimage.org/vun6nk0s5/20120804_192647.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/vun6nk0s5/[/url])

([url]http://s10.postimage.org/4lbt91zp1/20120804_192709.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/4lbt91zp1/[/url])

([url]http://s10.postimage.org/y1w0p7vg5/20120804_192728.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/y1w0p7vg5/[/url])

([url]http://s10.postimage.org/iug14v3lh/20120804_192731.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/iug14v3lh/[/url])

([url]http://s10.postimage.org/p9f21jab9/20120804_192756.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/p9f21jab9/[/url])


Nice pictures! I wish I had some flowers :(. The Cereus repandus is starting to push out flower buds though.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 06, 2012, 12:49:17 PM
fruit set is not good for me. even hand pollinated flowers feel like 50/50
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on October 01, 2012, 02:27:55 PM
I am very amazed at just how fast these plants grow! Below are the pictures comparing  January to March and the growth in just 2 months!


January 2012

([url]http://s15.postimage.org/isdp9iuyv/20111231_163333.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/isdp9iuyv/[/url])

March 2012.

([url]http://s16.postimage.org/wq0p298wh/dragonfruit_3_12a.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/wq0p298wh/[/url])

([url]http://s13.postimage.org/jqq5r4qb7/dragonfruit_3_12.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/jqq5r4qb7/[/url])


FROM CUTTINGS TO FLOWERING IN 7 MONTHS!! WATCHING FOR FRUIT DEVELOPMENT.
APRIL 2012
(http://s15.postimage.org/wpv53zxzr/20120427_150157.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wpv53zxzr/)

JUNE 2012
(http://s9.postimage.org/duxuh3b63/DSCN0926.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/duxuh3b63/)

AUGUST/SEPTEMBER 2012


(http://s11.postimage.org/4kkr5f5dr/20120929_144449.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4kkr5f5dr/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/k11taof1z/20120929_004244.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/k11taof1z/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/7pxjwlpz9/DSCN1266.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7pxjwlpz9/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on October 01, 2012, 04:46:06 PM
Hi Marin and Tim,

Those flowers look very gorgeous 8)

I collected a cutting about 2 years ago and it's going to flower for the first time ;D I will post a pic soon, cause it's still a flower bud ;)

THX for sharing :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: BMc on October 02, 2012, 01:11:44 AM
Does anyone have any experience with the Red flowered type or the Green skinned, pink fleshed type?
I'm about to add these to my deep purple dwarf as they sound interesting enough to grow out.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 02, 2012, 11:18:12 AM
There's a green skinned variety?  awesome  ;D

On a side note, does anyone recognize these fruits?
The album is found here (http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/cactus,pitaya/Interesting)

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/47/139206871_d274665534_z.jpg?zz=1) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/samblackman/139206871/)
Pitayas I (http://www.flickr.com/photos/samblackman/139206871/#) by Sam Blackman (http://www.flickr.com/people/samblackman/), on Flickr
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/53/139206651_86e633e511.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/samblackman/139206651/)
Pitayas II (http://www.flickr.com/photos/samblackman/139206651/#) by Sam Blackman (http://www.flickr.com/people/samblackman/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 09, 2012, 05:51:05 PM
There's a green skinned variety?  awesome  ;D

On a side note, does anyone recognize these fruits?
The album is found here ([url]http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/cactus,pitaya/Interesting[/url])

([url]http://farm1.staticflickr.com/47/139206871_d274665534_z.jpg?zz=1[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/samblackman/139206871/[/url])
Pitayas I ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/samblackman/139206871/#[/url]) by Sam Blackman ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/samblackman/[/url]), on Flickr
([url]http://farm1.staticflickr.com/53/139206651_86e633e511.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/samblackman/139206651/[/url])
Pitayas II ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/samblackman/139206651/#[/url]) by Sam Blackman ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/samblackman/[/url]), on Flickr


Those are Stenocereus fruits... pretty sure Stenocereus queretaroensis.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 09, 2012, 05:53:09 PM
Yellow Dragon Fruit (Selenicereus megalanthus), is starting to get ready to flower soon! I hope the fruit quality is better then a purple fleshed good variety.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-b8gKP2ut7xI/UHN_SxTNlBI/AAAAAAAAD0g/vi6HjQp4uQQ/s640/P1050645.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2Jz9uLeX1Xk/UHN_VD0ildI/AAAAAAAAD0o/TekbrLLto6k/s400/P1050644.JPG)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on October 09, 2012, 06:30:44 PM
Hey null, the yellow dragon fruit is very sweet, almost syrupy. The seeds are also larger but they pop really easily. The fruit is very small except for the ones I tried in Hong Kong.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 09, 2012, 06:44:36 PM
Hey null, the yellow dragon fruit is very sweet, almost syrupy. The seeds are also larger but they pop really easily. The fruit is very small except for the ones I tried in Hong Kong.

Thanks for the heads up, sounds like I should enjoy it. Would be fun to cross it with Dragon Fruit varieties like 'Purple Haze'.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on October 10, 2012, 01:40:45 PM
Hi,

Here's my Dragon ;D


(http://s14.postimage.org/81vd0iifh/IMG_0269.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/81vd0iifh/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 10, 2012, 02:23:29 PM
Hi,

Here's my Dragon ;D


([url]http://s14.postimage.org/81vd0iifh/IMG_0269.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/81vd0iifh/[/url])


Beautiful, keep us updated on the fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on October 10, 2012, 05:17:53 PM
Hi,

Here's my Dragon ;D
([url]http://s14.postimage.org/81vd0iifh/IMG_0269.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/81vd0iifh/[/url])


Beautiful, keep us updated on the fruit.

Null,
Thanks :) I don't knows if this Dragon is self-fertile...I reckon it needs another non-related Dragon to tango ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on October 10, 2012, 07:39:23 PM
Hey Null, I believe the "Frankies Red" variety is a Yellow Dragonfruit crossed with either a red/purple fleshed variety.  I got my cutting of Frankies Red from Leo Manuel.  You are welcome to a cutting if you are interested.  I have never tasted the Frankies Red.  My plants should fruit next year.

Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 10, 2012, 07:55:16 PM
Hey Null, I believe the "Frankies Red" variety is a Yellow Dragonfruit crossed with either a red/purple fleshed variety.  I got my cutting of Frankies Red from Leo Manuel.  You are welcome to a cutting if you are interested.  I have never tasted the Frankies Red.  My plants should fruit next year.

Simon

Simon,

Thanks for the generous offer, I may like to trade sometime with you.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on October 14, 2012, 01:45:09 AM
Hey null, that sounds great. I also have Halleys Comet, American Beauty and Simons Red which is actually purple now that I think of it so now I'll call it Simons Purple. Have you had bad experiences with purple fleshed varieties? Just wondering why you hoped the yellow dragon is better tasting than the purple fleshed. Null have you tasted the S. quaroteneisis? Misspelled. It looks really tasty. I wonder if it has hard seeds?

I recently picked up some cactus pears at the farmers market and thought they were delicious. They were extremely sweet with a very firm texture, perhaps even better texture than dragon fruit but the seeds were extremely large and very very hard.
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gtw7983 on October 14, 2012, 10:28:43 AM
In Socal, La Verne Nursery distributes threes kinds of DF. The white flesh, pink flesh and thr red fleshed Voodoo Child. Does anybody happen to know what cultivars are La Verne's white and pink fleshed DF?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Berto on October 21, 2012, 08:47:17 PM
Oooops,
Almost missed this one!  I have no idea the variety name!  I planted several cuttings growing on the same trellis.
Can you guys name this variety?  Is it Natural Mystic, Zamorano, or Costa Rica Sunset???  The fruit weighed  a little over one (1) pound. It was approximately 500 grams.
I ate it nice and cold and it had just a hint of sweetness! 
Thank you!


(http://s8.postimage.org/edhsnjott/PA210018.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/edhsnjott/)


(http://s17.postimage.org/imj5za5rf/PA210017.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/imj5za5rf/)


(http://s7.postimage.org/7gl1ouzzr/PA210022.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7gl1ouzzr/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cbss_daviefl on October 21, 2012, 09:13:21 PM
I vote for Costa Rican Sunset but it could be NM.  It looks slightly different from the NMs that I grew.

Oooops,
Almost missed this one!  I have no idea the variety name!  I planted several cuttings growing on the same trellis.
Can you guys name this variety?  Is it Natural Mystic, Zamorano, or Costa Rica Sunset???  The fruit weighted  a little over one (1) pound. It was approximately 500 grams.
I ate it nice and cold and it had just a hint of sweetness! 
Thank you!


([url]http://s8.postimage.org/edhsnjott/PA210018.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/edhsnjott/[/url])


([url]http://s17.postimage.org/imj5za5rf/PA210017.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/imj5za5rf/[/url])


([url]http://s7.postimage.org/7gl1ouzzr/PA210022.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/7gl1ouzzr/[/url])

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dirty Coconuts on October 22, 2012, 08:25:34 PM
I love the planter. What was your supply list?

I see a 4x4
A section of lattice
Two pieces of rebar
Painted with what?
How big is your container?

Thanks for the great idea

I made this 5 weeks ago. It was very simple to construct if anyone is interested in the supply list and instructions. I am growing Physical Grafitti and Haley's Comet. I also have American Beauty rooting in a separate pot. I have had a huge growth spurt in the last week. I am looking forward to fruit!
([url]http://s8.postimage.org/e2rwfeudt/20120204_180151.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/e2rwfeudt/[/url])

([url]http://s13.postimage.org/6bplracdv/20120204_180231.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/6bplracdv/[/url])

([url]http://s16.postimage.org/nb42n1avl/20120204_175933.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/nb42n1avl/[/url])

([url]http://s13.postimage.org/cglpictv7/20111231_163549.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/cglpictv7/[/url])
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on October 22, 2012, 08:34:01 PM
I love the planter. What was your supply list?

I see a 4x4
A section of lattice
Two pieces of rebar
Painted with what?
How big is your container?

Thanks for the great idea

I made this 5 weeks ago. It was very simple to construct if anyone is interested in the supply list and instructions. I am growing Physical Grafitti and Haley's Comet. I also have American Beauty rooting in a separate pot. I have had a huge growth spurt in the last week. I am looking forward to fruit!
([url]http://s8.postimage.org/e2rwfeudt/20120204_180151.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/e2rwfeudt/[/url])

([url]http://s13.postimage.org/6bplracdv/20120204_180231.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/6bplracdv/[/url])

([url]http://s16.postimage.org/nb42n1avl/20120204_175933.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/nb42n1avl/[/url])

([url]http://s13.postimage.org/cglpictv7/20111231_163549.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/cglpictv7/[/url])



I will PM you my number so you can text me a good time to call you. It would be easier to explain than type.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Berto on October 23, 2012, 06:26:27 PM
Wow,
I read about the health benefits of pitaya (dragon fruit), and I plan to pay better attention to my vines.
http://www.naturalfoodbenefits.com/display.asp?CAT=1&ID=41 (http://www.naturalfoodbenefits.com/display.asp?CAT=1&ID=41)
Yesterday, I harvested a white flesh variety absolutely delicious.  The day before I picked and ate a nice magenta/red flesh one.
Lately, I also notice that my urine and my body waste had a reddish/purple color.  I guess it was from the lycopene/antioxidants.   
Have you guys experienced the same results after eating magenta/red flesh dragon fruit (pitaya)?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 23, 2012, 06:35:16 PM
Wow,
I read about the health benefits of pitaya (dragon fruit), and I plan to pay better attention to my vines.
[url]http://www.naturalfoodbenefits.com/display.asp?CAT=1&ID=41[/url] ([url]http://www.naturalfoodbenefits.com/display.asp?CAT=1&ID=41[/url])
Yesterday, I harvested a white flesh variety absolutely delicious.  The day before I picked and ate a nice magenta/red flesh one.
Lately, I also notice that my urine and my body waste had a reddish/purple color.  I guess it was from the lycopene/antioxidants.   
Have you guys experienced the same results after eating magenta/red flesh dragon fruit (pitaya)?


Unfortunately, I have not had any home grown abundance of Dragon Fruit to experience this. Hoping for a harvest of yellow dragon fruit in 2 months, crossing fingers!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on October 23, 2012, 08:04:32 PM
Wow,
I read about the health benefits of pitaya (dragon fruit), and I plan to pay better attention to my vines.
[url]http://www.naturalfoodbenefits.com/display.asp?CAT=1&ID=41[/url] ([url]http://www.naturalfoodbenefits.com/display.asp?CAT=1&ID=41[/url])
Yesterday, I harvested a white flesh variety absolutely delicious.  The day before I picked and ate a nice magenta/red flesh one.
Lately, I also notice that my urine and my body waste had a reddish/purple color.  I guess it was from the lycopene/antioxidants.   
Have you guys experienced the same results after eating magenta/red flesh dragon fruit (pitaya)?


I haven't even enough to test your theory.....but I would slow it down if your tears turn red/purple!  :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Berto on October 23, 2012, 10:06:57 PM
My wife and I shared just one large magenta/red fruit.  See my posted photo!
She also noticed a change in her body byproducts.
Go dragon fruit...let's put color in this world!    ;D ;D ;D ;D 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Berto on October 24, 2012, 02:25:00 PM
Do not throw away the skin!!!
Just made some tea from the fresh skin of a dragon fruit!  High levels of antioxidants!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 24, 2012, 02:55:36 PM
Do not throw away the skin!!!
Just made some tea from the fresh skin of a dragon fruit!  High levels of antioxidants!

Great idea! Sounds like it could be utilized nicely in a dry tea mix as well.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on October 26, 2012, 03:58:54 PM
Wow,
I read about the health benefits of pitaya (dragon fruit), and I plan to pay better attention to my vines.
[url]http://www.naturalfoodbenefits.com/display.asp?CAT=1&ID=41[/url] ([url]http://www.naturalfoodbenefits.com/display.asp?CAT=1&ID=41[/url])
Yesterday, I harvested a white flesh variety absolutely delicious.  The day before I picked and ate a nice magenta/red flesh one.
Lately, I also notice that my urine and my body waste had a reddish/purple color.  I guess it was from the lycopene/antioxidants.   
Have you guys experienced the same results after eating magenta/red flesh dragon fruit (pitaya)?


Olá Berto,
Beetroot does it for me...ahahahahha ;D
Title: Recent Dragon Fruit
Post by: Jacob13 on October 27, 2012, 12:32:43 AM
Hello Friends,

Just wanted to share with you all some recent pictures of some Dragon Fruit that are coming along nicely.  Right now, I have approximately 10 various Dragon Fruits, and a whole bunch of flowers coming along.

Physical Graffiti Dragon Fruit
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab222/Choners13/Yuppp/2012-10-21163552.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab222/Choners13/Yuppp/2012-10-21163531.jpg)

Arizona Purple Dragon Fruit
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab222/Choners13/Yuppp/2012-10-21163447.jpg)

Vietnamese "Red" Dragon Fruit - These 2 Dragon Fruit are Absolutely Enormous (2 lbs. +).  They are now much bigger than what they are in the pictures.
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab222/Choners13/Yuppp/2012-10-21163520.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab222/Choners13/Yuppp/2012-10-21163512.jpg)
Title: Re: Recent Dragon Fruit
Post by: nullzero on October 27, 2012, 12:56:19 AM
Jacob,

Excellent pictures! I love the Arizona Purple picture.
Title: Re: Recent Dragon Fruit
Post by: Jacob13 on October 27, 2012, 01:08:04 AM
Hey Steven,

How is your AZ Purple Doing?

 - Jacob
Title: Re: Recent Dragon Fruit
Post by: marklee on October 27, 2012, 02:25:24 AM
I've been eating quite a few different pitahayas lately, I had a Physical Graffiti yesterday and compared to Houghton,and Voodoo Child it was pretty bland. The Valdivia Roja is pretty good also.

Mark
Title: Re: Recent Dragon Fruit
Post by: nullzero on October 27, 2012, 02:48:52 AM
Hey Steven,

How is your AZ Purple Doing?

 - Jacob

Its been putting out a few more segments, still on the small side. Though I intend to up pot it soon.
Title: Re: Recent Dragon Fruit
Post by: Felipe on October 27, 2012, 05:30:39 AM
Jacob, are you growing them in full sun? Did you pollinate them?

I would love to see pictures of the ripe fruit :)
Title: Re: Recent Dragon Fruit
Post by: Berto on October 27, 2012, 09:41:05 AM
There is a dragon fruit thread already!  What is the reason for this duplication? Moderators, please advise! 

*** mod edit: solved ;D ***
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Berto on October 27, 2012, 01:40:40 PM
Thank you!
It is much easier to gather the information in one thread!  Let's keep it simple!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on October 28, 2012, 07:09:58 PM
I like Valdivia Roja too. It was one of the first dragonfruits I tasted and still ranks high on my list. I started a few cuttings of it last year.

I kind of wish I had grown a white bland variety. I've been having bad luck pollinating this year.
Title: Enter the Dragon
Post by: FloridaGreenMan on October 28, 2012, 08:47:06 PM
Here's my "Alice White" dragon fruit that I am growing on my chain link fence. It's my 2nd crop this year. Have already harvested 12 fruits a few months ago and now I have 8 more. Even though it's a white fleshed one, it's actually fairly sweet and refreshing, a decent fruit, not incredible but good. The real nice thing is that it takes up virtually no room in my yard and produces at a time when there is very little of anything else and is totally self pollinating. No work involved. My Red one must be hand pollinated and still produces only a few. What are the best self-pollinating red dragons?               

(http://s13.postimage.org/4forjh05f/Dragon_Forum_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4forjh05f/)

(http://s13.postimage.org/rifain1mr/Dragon_Forum_002.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rifain1mr/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: wchoi87 on November 05, 2012, 05:10:13 PM
Hi guys,

My name's William and I'm new to the forums.  I was looking for more knowledge on dragon fruit and came across this thread and decided this was the place to be.  I recently got some dragon fruit cutting from a friend and went ahead and planted the stems.  My friend is Vietnamese and her fruits are the ones with white flesh, not sure of the specific name.  I was wondering if it's true that you need to let the cuttings dry for a week before planting.  I decided to plant 2 stems into one pot and hoping this won't cause a problem.

(http://i.imgur.com/Hv4IEl.jpg)

Please feel free to critique my potting method and any tips are greatly appreciated.  For the soil I decided to use some perlite, organic potting soil, steer manure, and some peat moss.  I'm so interested in the fruit that I recently also purchased the Haley's Comet and Yellow dragon fruit variants.  I was wondering if it would be okay to grow the two in one pot, like how I did my first ones.  Well any help is greatly appreciated and I hope to keep you guys updated with my progress!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on November 05, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
Hi guys,

My name's William and I'm new to the forums.  I was looking for more knowledge on dragon fruit and came across this thread and decided this was the place to be.  I recently got some dragon fruit cutting from a friend and went ahead and planted the stems.  My friend is Vietnamese and her fruits are the ones with white flesh, not sure of the specific name.  I was wondering if it's true that you need to let the cuttings dry for a week before planting.  I decided to plant 2 stems into one pot and hoping this won't cause a problem.

([url]http://i.imgur.com/Hv4IEl.jpg[/url])

Please feel free to critique my potting method and any tips are greatly appreciated.  For the soil I decided to use some perlite, organic potting soil, steer manure, and some peat moss.  I'm so interested in the fruit that I recently also purchased the Haley's Comet and Yellow dragon fruit variants.  I was wondering if it would be okay to grow the two in one pot, like how I did my first ones.  Well any help is greatly appreciated and I hope to keep you guys updated with my progress!


I am wondering if that pot/set up will be strong and sturdy enough to support your dragon fruit plants once they grow tall and possibly top heavy.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: BMc on November 05, 2012, 10:22:22 PM
Aerial roots will often rip up pine sleepers in short time. hardwood is the go.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: wchoi87 on November 06, 2012, 02:33:53 AM
The pole is actually redwood 4x4.  Should I replace it with something else?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on November 06, 2012, 06:09:04 AM
The pole is actually redwood 4x4.  Should I replace it with something else?

The post is perfectly fine...how big and heavy is the pot? how tall is the post and what is at the top of it?
the height vs base is what I was referring to. Will it be a risk for tipping over or is it sturdy when the cactus grow to the top and fill out? The first time I built my potted dragon fruit set up I noticed that it seemed slightly at risk for tipping. My post is 6ft tall and I was worried that with up to 10 -20 pounds of plant growing on it that it might tipping risk. But my pot is light-weight plastic , yours may be bigger and heavier.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on November 06, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
Kind of cool that this forum shows up so well in searches now.

William, if you don't have a rat problem then 4' is a good height for the top of the pole. It will make it easy to prune the plants each year without cutting yourself and without a ladder. Fruits will hang very close to the ground.

If you're going to add more varieties anytime from now to march is good to take cuttings, but it's better to plant them now and let our winter rains take care of watering for a head start in the root system. Many people grow them in this area.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Fruitguy on November 10, 2012, 11:44:07 PM
BMc, I grow the green-skinned, pink-purple-flowered Hylocereus stenopterus.  They are mostly self-incompatible however I do get a few fruits that are not of my own creation periodically.  They skin does turn peach-colored when mature (about 2 months), however I have found that the fruit has a nice sweet flavor at 35-40 days.  I have not had a H. megalanthus ripe at the same time to compare re which one is "sweeter". 

Someone was asking about crossing the yellow-skinned H. megalanthus with a red fleshed variety.  They had such a cross available in the markets on the Big Island (Hawaii) in May 2012. Orange-skin, pink-flesh.  Nice tasting fruit.

William, 2 cuttings in a pot is not a problem.  Most commercial operations put 3-4 cuttings per post.  Of course, they have many more pots and they are usually connected together for stability.  Keep in mind that a mature plant can weigh in the neighborhood of 100 kg. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dirty Coconuts on December 14, 2012, 01:52:02 PM
I just found out that my dragon is a Halley's Comet and not a p graffiti as I was first told. Anyone have any opinions or tips about Halley's Comet? Is it self compatible? Prolific fruiter? Tasty?

Thanks
Title: dragon fruit in pot
Post by: sharon adams on December 23, 2012, 12:04:45 PM

I plan to bury a square concrete block with a 6 ft pole in center poured concrete in block, then covered as dragon fruits do not like
alkaline soil.    I then intend to construct a tube 4 ft high and attach it to the post.   IN the tube will go another tube of burlap and
inside that old decaying leaves and maybe a bit of fertilizer in the form of blood meal, potassium and potash.     A friend of mine only
got his to fruit this way.   One can then add dilute or rotted manure to the top and the dragon fruits just attach themselves happily
but yes they are very heavy and his in 25 gal pots are tipping .    Not good.   Thorny.   Very hard to handle now without getting prickled
and breaking the  plant.   I also need to figure out how to make a top support  later.    Don;t know about flavors yet.  Tried one white
one I have,   very bland.   halleys comet is supposed to be good.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on January 01, 2013, 01:02:13 PM
Ayo marinfla, it's off palmetto pkwy next to intercoastal bridge, should be on a pine tree NW corner before bridge.

I went looking for this wild patch of dragon fruit growing on Palmetto Park Road and could not find it!
Is it on the lot where the Wildflower was??
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dirty Coconuts on January 01, 2013, 08:52:05 PM
I was in Fairchild this weekend an saw an amazing sight.

A 60-70 Spanish oak tree completely covered by dragon fruit!!! It was unbelieveable. I wish I had a camera.

It is actually outside the gardens on old cutler. On the east side near the trellises.

Pretty neat
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: OrganicJim on January 16, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
I set the frame up in August and just now got the winter cover completed and ready to mount. It takes me two days to put up the greenhouse frame now to where I can leave it till spring. Takes just a couple hours to put the plastic on.
I built it so I had space between dragon fruits to store other cold sensitive plants in pots that I keep under seven feet tall.
The posts are 8 feet apart and there is a 2 foot square around each post for the plants to lay over.
I covered the verticals with burlap to help root growth and to help store food from  the foliar sprays I use.

(http://s2.postimage.org/94q2yehzp/Dragon_Fruit_1_10_6_12.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/94q2yehzp/)

(http://s8.postimage.org/i5al21kep/Dragon_Fruit_2_10_6_12.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/i5al21kep/)

(http://s13.postimage.org/bdsfhxiab/Dragon_Fruit_Cover_2_1_10_13.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bdsfhxiab/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/m1lsjt385/Dragon_Fruit_Cover_8_1_10_13.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/m1lsjt385/)

I just showed the first section of the frame going up. We send complete unit if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on January 16, 2013, 02:01:56 PM
OrganicJim,

Looks like a great setup, keep us updated when the fruit comes in  ;D.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 17, 2013, 01:56:09 PM
OrganicJim,

Clever set up!!

Great pics, thanks for sharing.

You are definitely going to be ready for the up and coming cold weather.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on January 18, 2013, 12:38:15 AM
This is a great thread.
I only have one Dragon Fruit variety: David Bowie.
I based my decision solely on the information provided by Pine Island Nursery.
I've planted 5-6 cuttings around an 8' wood pole staked in the ground .
Only one of those cuttings is climbing. But at least it's climbing at a good pace, so far. No fruit yet but, I'll keep y'all updated on the progress.
Does anyone have any info on the variety of Dragon Fruit?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on January 18, 2013, 12:57:45 AM
This is a great fruit, whose quality deserves to be improved. I can't wait 'till someone improves the sweetness, just like they've done with Jackfruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: sami on January 18, 2013, 01:28:02 AM

 Any help with cultivar ID is much appreciated.

New cutting on left in dark green.
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/05e7c0d7.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWORD-PEAR-CACTUS-Acanthocereus-tetragonus-LIVE-CUTTINGS-pitaya-fruit-dragon-/160944857253?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25790fa0a5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWORD-PEAR-CACTUS-Acanthocereus-tetragonus-LIVE-CUTTINGS-pitaya-fruit-dragon-/160944857253?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25790fa0a5)

Seven spines on new cutting.
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/0a7778dd.jpg)

Only four spines on wild boca raton find.
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/ff5567b1.jpg)


it looks like SWORD PEAR CACTUS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWORD-PEAR-CACTUS-Acanthocereus-tetragonus-LIVE-CUTTINGS-pitaya-fruit-dragon-/160944857253?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25790fa0a5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWORD-PEAR-CACTUS-Acanthocereus-tetragonus-LIVE-CUTTINGS-pitaya-fruit-dragon-/160944857253?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25790fa0a5)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on January 18, 2013, 02:34:34 AM
I have no idea. But, that is one nice looking specimen/section you got there. :D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on January 18, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
If/when it produces fruit, please let us know the quality and production of the fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on January 19, 2013, 03:07:41 AM
Any help with cultivar ID is much appreciated.
Where are these from? If they're wild (not cultivated) then by definition they're not any cultivar.

If you meant general types the yellow-green one is H. undatus and the blue-green one looks closer to H. polyrhizus.

Looking at a few section at this early stage it's hard to recognize more. A healthy strong plant will develop a few other distinguishing features such as flowers. But really, some cultivars are similar enough that people just consider then to be the same, which they may be.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on January 19, 2013, 07:07:59 AM
Did anybody grow dragonfruit from seed or is that not recommendable? I want to have a good species and thought it is much easyier and safer to send seeds instead of a plant.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: jez251 on January 19, 2013, 08:25:10 AM
Hey Bangkok,

I am currently growing some orange dragon fruit from seed. It's a slow process but it works.

Jaime
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on January 21, 2013, 04:46:22 AM
Did anybody grow dragonfruit from seed or is that not recommendable? I want to have a good species and thought it is much easyier and safer to send seeds instead of a plant.
Seedlings are usually different from the parents. Not in between. It's somewhat random. Sometimes you get one that doesn't produce pollen or is sterile. Usually people just end up with a fruit they don't like. But there's also a chance it might be good so try it. Better to try 100 if you have the space and select the best.

A breeder in the pitaya mailing list said he makes about 1 selection per 1000 seedling plants.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on January 21, 2013, 05:43:28 AM
Thanks, then i will grow a cutting because i sure want to have a nice fruiting one if i take all the effort.

My wife sais that the red-flesh ones make stains in cloths so i will go for another color then.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on January 24, 2013, 12:15:38 AM
Anyone growing the dragon fruit varieties; Condor, Maria Rose, Orejona, and Cebra? I just got some cuttings :), wanted to hear more info on growth habit, taste, etc.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on January 24, 2013, 01:21:42 AM
There aren't that much growth habit variations among dragonfruits.

I have Condor. It's similar to American Beauty. Magenta flesh, sweet. Not thick-stemmed so somewhat heat-tolerant. Filtered sunlight is best.
I tried Cebra and Orejona before. They're not especially memorable. I don't remember what they tasted like.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on January 24, 2013, 01:25:03 AM
There aren't that much growth habit variations among dragonfruits.

I have Condor. It's similar to American Beauty. Magenta flesh, sweet. Not thick-stemmed so somewhat heat-tolerant. Filtered sunlight is best.
I tried Cebra and Orejona before. They're not especially memorable. I don't remember what they tasted like.

Thanks for the quick response. Btw, sometime in the future I am going to save some removed glochid prickly pears for you.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: marvelz on January 24, 2013, 03:23:16 AM
Some great pictures here, keep them coming. I'm learning new and interesting things about dragonfruits.  :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on January 26, 2013, 09:51:48 PM
Nullzero,

The Opuntia I got from you is doing, "so far so good". It’s just sitting pretty in the full sun.

Hey, if you ever create/produce or find an even better quality, bigger, tastier, seedless, more productive Opuntia, please let me know.
These edible cacti cultivars have a lot of potential and need/deserve to be improved.

I think the same could also be said for Dragon Fruit; This is a great thread you started!
The David Bowie Dragon Fruit cultivar cuttings, that I planted around a pressure treated pole in the ground, I suspect are showing some kind of 'nematode' damage.
I didn't put up any barrier between them and the Dragon Fruit roots.
I've noticed some professionals (i.e. Pine Island Nursery) use pesticides, sand, pots and plastic sheets, as barriers.
I'll keep observing the progress (or lack of) for about a year. I think I'm coming to the conclusion, that I'll have to put up some kind of barrier(s), also.

If nematodes are a problem for some cacti, like Dragon Fruit in South Florida, we may have to apply a similar grafting technique like that used for citrus, mango...
Step 1    Find a nematode proof/resistant Dragon Fruit cultivar, then
Step 2    'Graft' the desired Dragon Fruit cultivar to the variety in Step 1
This seems like a reasonable way to proceed. In this way, you're eliminating the nematode barrier(s) hassle.

Who knows, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, since I'm just learning about edible cacti.
Anyway, I'll see how things progress and make decisions along the way to speed things up.

I just find the idea of eating fruits from a cactus fascinating.
Keep up the good work, it surely is needed.

Best regards,
Leo
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on May 02, 2013, 07:56:48 AM
I am very amazed at just how fast these plants grow! Below are the pictures comparing  January to March and the growth in just 2 months!


January 2012

([url]http://s15.postimage.org/isdp9iuyv/20111231_163333.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/isdp9iuyv/[/url])

March 2012.

([url]http://s16.postimage.org/wq0p298wh/dragonfruit_3_12a.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/wq0p298wh/[/url])

([url]http://s13.postimage.org/jqq5r4qb7/dragonfruit_3_12.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/jqq5r4qb7/[/url])



April 2012
AMAZING GROWTH in just 3 MONTHS
([url]http://s16.postimage.org/6fe50m329/20120427_150208.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/6fe50m329/[/url])


([url]http://s7.postimage.org/87i350htj/20120427_153158.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/87i350htj/[/url])


([url]http://s17.postimage.org/dwnsz54dn/20120427_150104.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/dwnsz54dn/[/url])


I started this dragon fruit set up on January 1st 2012 from a few little cuttings, so it is now 16 months from inception. It has been a year since the last picture was posted so I took an update photo.
It is not noticeable in the photo but there are about 20 flowers just forming now.
I am so happy with this set up. It has served well and the shape is great.


(http://s10.postimg.org/c1daefn3p/2013_05_01_15_33_55.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/c1daefn3p/)

(http://s10.postimg.org/lxede2svp/2013_05_01_15_34_17.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/lxede2svp/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on May 02, 2013, 11:17:52 AM
MarinFla,

Nice update, big different in the before and after pictures  ;D.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Kay on May 03, 2013, 10:18:41 AM
Some Hylocereus here.




Farm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus1_zpscc32489f.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus1_zpscc32489f.jpg.html)

Cheap/easy mostly eco friendly way to grow.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus3_zpsb37b0dff.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus3_zpsb37b0dff.jpg.html)

red fruit
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus8_zpscce81888.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus8_zpscce81888.jpg.html)


purple fruit
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus9_zps132dca29.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus9_zps132dca29.jpg.html)


H. undatus (white)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus7_zps06926d9e.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus7_zps06926d9e.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus6_zps567a07c6.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus6_zps567a07c6.jpg.html)


taking cuttings in greenhouse (under 70% shade cloth).  these are after drying 3 days.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus5_zpscbe2c80a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus5_zpscbe2c80a.jpg.html)


Variegated Hylocereus (not at all of interest to fruit growers, but thought i would post it anyway in case there are other cactus enthusiasts as well.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus4_zpsb9f3d308.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus4_zpsb9f3d308.jpg.html)

Grafting rootstock stock plant section.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus2_zps48c9c38f.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus2_zps48c9c38f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Fruitguy on May 03, 2013, 12:16:34 PM
Excellent pictures Kay!  I'd be interested in knowing more about the variegated one.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Kay on May 03, 2013, 01:28:21 PM
it was a gift from an old friend of mine who is a retired orchid grower turned cactus collector.  He is unfortunately very sick so he is slowly losing his collection.  All I can say about the variegated one is its almost certainly a hybrid of unknown origin.  Wish I knew more.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on May 03, 2013, 10:08:24 PM
Some Hylocereus here.




Farm
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus1_zpscc32489f.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus1_zpscc32489f.jpg.html[/url])

Cheap/easy mostly eco friendly way to grow.
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus3_zpsb37b0dff.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus3_zpsb37b0dff.jpg.html[/url])

red fruit
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus8_zpscce81888.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus8_zpscce81888.jpg.html[/url])


purple fruit
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus9_zps132dca29.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus9_zps132dca29.jpg.html[/url])


H. undatus (white)
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus7_zps06926d9e.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus7_zps06926d9e.jpg.html[/url])
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus6_zps567a07c6.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus6_zps567a07c6.jpg.html[/url])


taking cuttings in greenhouse (under 70% shade cloth).  these are after drying 3 days.

([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus5_zpscbe2c80a.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus5_zpscbe2c80a.jpg.html[/url])


Variegated Hylocereus (not at all of interest to fruit growers, but thought i would post it anyway in case there are other cactus enthusiasts as well.
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus4_zpsb9f3d308.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus4_zpsb9f3d308.jpg.html[/url])

Grafting rootstock stock plant section.
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/kada/Hylocereus2_zps48c9c38f.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kada/media/Hylocereus2_zps48c9c38f.jpg.html[/url])


Kay, the type of set up they are using on the farm was the inspiration for the structure I built to grow mine on. Great pics Thanks. I really like the color of the purple fruit. All of mine are pink or magenta.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LaddaLove34 on June 02, 2013, 01:21:46 AM
If anybody could give me some cuttings of their dragon fruit,I would greatly appreciate it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: KarenRei on June 02, 2013, 03:30:37 PM
If anybody could give me some cuttings of their dragon fruit,I would greatly appreciate it.

Coming to Iceland any time soon?  I've got surplus  ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on July 16, 2013, 05:06:46 PM
My Dark Star is in full flower mode. Had 5 flowers open last night, 6-7 ready to open tonight, plenty of buds still coming, with 4 fruits that should be ready in a little over a week.
Will also have 2-3 flowers on both the Physical Graffiti and the Purple Haze opening tonight.

Dark Star.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/df2_07-16-13_zps2e5064ad.jpg)

The solo fruit (so far) on the Purple Haze just started to change color today.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/df1_07-16-13_zps47a698cf.jpg)

Here is the trellises I put towards the end of my driveway for a couple of unknown varieties I have. I have trimmed the plants up since the picture was taken.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/df2_07-13-13_zps8317bbd7.jpg)

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/df1_07-13-13_zps18e02e36.jpg)

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on July 16, 2013, 09:32:22 PM
Dangermouse01, I like the trellises at the end of the driveway, very stylish, good job.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: sultry_jasmine_nights on July 17, 2013, 10:45:45 AM
Dangermouse01, I like the trellises at the end of the driveway, very stylish, good job.

X2 !! Very nice.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Hollywood on July 17, 2013, 11:06:20 AM
I love the pictures on this thread! I am ready to post mine now. I planted 6 posts last year with Zamorano, Physical Graffiti and Alice White. Zamorano is by far the most vigorous, Alice White is by far the least. No flowers or fruits yet. When should I expect to see some?

The wood is untreated so I put in the T-Posts for support as the structure rots. I will probably add 2 more T-Posts for additional support in the Fall. I want to take care of it now, rather than in 5 years when hundreds of pounds of thorny cactus are weighing down on crumbly wood posts!

I have some burlap bag material on the posts, stuffed with sphagnum moss and Excalibur's fruit tree fertilizer. They are decomposing, so I've stuffed some socks and attached those to the rebar on top.

I post a picture taken from the back gate so you can see how I've used a star fruit tree and copper leaf shrubs to obscure the structure from many vantage points. The flower and fruit are beautiful, but the rest of the plant- not so much!

The structure is situated on the West side of my house, so it has a good amount of protection from hurricanes.

(http://s23.postimg.org/dopqty8dj/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/dopqty8dj/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/s6my1xzon/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/s6my1xzon/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/tvw1a0fdz/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/tvw1a0fdz/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/wnfb0mdwn/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/wnfb0mdwn/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on July 17, 2013, 10:34:03 PM
Katie that set up looks great!! Nice Job. Mine took a 1-1/2 years to go from the picture on the left to the picture on the right

January 1, 2012
(http://s22.postimg.org/pab62gqj1/20111231_163005.jpg)  (http://postimg.org/image/pab62gqj1/) (http://s18.postimg.org/f5s00qued/DSCN1607.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/f5s00qued/) May 27, 2013
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Hollywood on July 18, 2013, 12:17:10 AM
Katie that set up looks great!! Nice Job. Mine took a 1-1/2 years to go from the picture on the left to the picture on the right

January 1, 2012
([url]http://s22.postimg.org/pab62gqj1/20111231_163005.jpg[/url])  ([url]http://postimg.org/image/pab62gqj1/[/url]) ([url]http://s18.postimg.org/f5s00qued/DSCN1607.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/f5s00qued/[/url]) May 27, 2013


 ;D Do you get fruit now? How many from that structure?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on July 18, 2013, 04:12:20 PM
Katie that set up looks great!! Nice Job. Mine took a 1-1/2 years to go from the picture on the left to the picture on the right

January 1, 2012
([url]http://s22.postimg.org/pab62gqj1/20111231_163005.jpg[/url])  ([url]http://postimg.org/image/pab62gqj1/[/url]) ([url]http://s18.postimg.org/f5s00qued/DSCN1607.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/f5s00qued/[/url]) May 27, 2013

Yes I am getting lots of fruit now. They are covered with developing fruit and newly blooming flowers.
 ;D Do you get fruit now? How many from that structure?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on July 22, 2013, 12:41:09 AM
My trellis of dragon fruit explodes with new flowers every night
(http://s21.postimg.org/jlth64rdf/20130721_211048.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jlth64rdf/)

And my first super big Halley's Comet for this summer. Time to get out the refractometer to test the brix level.
(http://s15.postimg.org/si4wrkt9j/Haley_s_comet.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/si4wrkt9j/) (http://s23.postimg.org/dcjammuvr/haley_s_comet_7_21_13.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/dcjammuvr/)


Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on July 22, 2013, 12:46:18 AM
MarinFla,

Congrats beautiful looking fruit. I bet it taste as good as it looks.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on July 22, 2013, 01:04:46 AM
MarinFla,

Congrats beautiful looking fruit. I bet it taste as good as it looks.
Thanks! I've eaten a few smaller ones already...I am surprised at how sweet they are compared to others I have tried (not mine). I can't wait to rest the brix level to actually quantify it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on July 22, 2013, 01:26:38 AM
Mind sharing a Halley's Comet cutting or two? I've been looking to get some everywhere.

Thanks
thao
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on July 22, 2013, 01:42:46 AM
Mind sharing a Halley's Comet cutting or two? I've been looking to get some everywhere.

Thanks
thao
If you make it really easy for me I surely will....between work and family obligations I am usually so overwhelmed. So if you could send me a package to put the cutting in already labeled with your mailing address and postage, I will put the cuttings in that package and send it right back to you.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on July 22, 2013, 01:47:39 AM
Sure, pm your sending address.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: HMHausman on July 22, 2013, 07:50:17 AM
MarinFla,

Congrats beautiful looking fruit. I bet it taste as good as it looks.
Thanks! I've eaten a few smaller ones already...I am surprised at how sweet they are compared to others I have tried (not mine). I can't wait to rest the brix level to actually quantify it.

But wait.....the larger the fruits get, the better/sweeter they are.  At least that has been my experience.  Nice growing!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on July 28, 2013, 09:31:05 PM
MarinFla,

Congrats beautiful looking fruit. I bet it taste as good as it looks.
Thanks! I've eaten a few smaller ones already...I am surprised at how sweet they are compared to others I have tried (not mine). I can't wait to rest the brix level to actually quantify it.

But wait.....the larger the fruits get, the better/sweeter they are.  At least that has been my experience.  Nice growing!
Thanks Harry! I tested that dragon fruit with the refractometer and it measured at a brix level of 15.6
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on August 05, 2013, 12:08:14 PM
Just taste tested an American Beauty, grown by Rodney. The fruit was on the larger side believe it was around 1 lb, was an excellent sweet taste with a nice subtle acidic component. 3 of us all greatly enjoyed it.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-esxlQFoDGPk/Uf_KkN4WNkI/AAAAAAAAGIU/6Q-_F_LeFc8/s640/P1070129.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6BJNHm8j0nw/Uf_K3ViHQNI/AAAAAAAAGIs/ToUG-SqnEUw/s640/P1070132.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vGATFjcyEXg/Uf_K6HvIuEI/AAAAAAAAGI0/z9QmRfqDKa4/s640/P1070133.JPG)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-H6KuNGUJShU/Uf_LDosvBdI/AAAAAAAAGJE/g99soeMQUJc/s640/P1070136.JPG)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: marklee on August 05, 2013, 01:51:16 PM
Just taste tested an American Beauty, grown by Rodney. The fruit was on the larger side believe it was around 1 lb, was an excellent sweet taste with a nice subtle acidic component. 3 of us all greatly enjoyed it.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-esxlQFoDGPk/Uf_KkN4WNkI/AAAAAAAAGIU/6Q-_F_LeFc8/s640/P1070129.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6BJNHm8j0nw/Uf_K3ViHQNI/AAAAAAAAGIs/ToUG-SqnEUw/s640/P1070132.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vGATFjcyEXg/Uf_K6HvIuEI/AAAAAAAAGI0/z9QmRfqDKa4/s640/P1070133.JPG)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-H6KuNGUJShU/Uf_LDosvBdI/AAAAAAAAGJE/g99soeMQUJc/s640/P1070136.JPG)
Nice looking fruit, that is a good tasting variety. I have only had my "houghtons" mature so far. All of the others have a few more weeks, of course while I'll be in Peru.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on August 05, 2013, 02:18:41 PM
marklee,

How is the houghton fruit? I have one growing atm.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Creynell on August 05, 2013, 08:46:06 PM
Hello I am so glad I found this forum!! Great ideas for the trellis. I just got my first dragon fruit plants :) I would love to have some cuttings of Hailey's comet if you could spare anymore I could send prepaid shipping box
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: marklee on August 06, 2013, 03:38:53 AM
marklee,

How is the houghton fruit? I have one growing atm.
The Houghton is smaller than most others, it is dark red and very tasty, I just had my friend try one for the first time the other night and she can't get enough of them. A very prolific bearer, I must have 50 or more on mine right now. One of my favorite.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Doglips on August 06, 2013, 07:44:59 AM
MarinFla, love your setup. 

I have a Red Zamorano that is a mess.  It is in its original pot, it needs a repot badly. 
It is running everywhere and I think i want to start from scratch and do a setup similar to what you have.

I do have my first flower about to pop open, hoping for my first fruit set.

So, as I understand it, it is not about how high the plant grows, but more about how far down the plant hangs, correct?

How necessary is it burlap the post?

I was thinking about adding a second culitvar maybe do two plants of two cultivars (4 plants) around a 4x4.

Anyone have a good variety they want to swap for some Red Zamorano (similar growth habit)?

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on August 06, 2013, 02:10:42 PM
MarinFla, love your setup. 

I have a Red Zamorano that is a mess.  It is in its original pot, it needs a repot badly. 
It is running everywhere and I think i want to start from scratch and do a setup similar to what you have.

I do have my first flower about to pop open, hoping for my first fruit set.

So, as I understand it, it is not about how high the plant grows, but more about how far down the plant hangs, correct?

How necessary is it burlap the post?

I was thinking about adding a second culitvar maybe do two plants of two cultivars (4 plants) around a 4x4.

Anyone have a good variety they want to swap for some Red Zamorano (similar growth habit)?



I have a couple of well rooted "physical graffiti" cuttings, that have been branching. I don't have any more room, so I need to get rid of them, so if you are interested in them,  send PM . No need to trade, since I don't have any more room for new plants.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: OrganicJim on August 12, 2013, 11:34:21 AM
Two of my dragon fruits have been putting out blooms for several mainths now without any fruit set until the other day. The differnce I see is that all of the flower up till now have all been vertical with the Style standing straight up. These last blooms have been horizontal and the style is bent at a 90 degree angle so that it gets the Stigma next to the anther. the first photo was taken in early June and the second one August.
Is this usual?


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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: HMHausman on August 12, 2013, 04:49:15 PM
Which cultivars are these?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: OrganicJim on August 12, 2013, 09:12:13 PM
The Photos are both from a Physical Graffiti and the other one that did the same thing is a David Bowie.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sfitzy321 on August 25, 2013, 07:55:31 PM
So I'm new to the forum, but every time I google dragonfruit this thread pops up. I just started 3 dragon fruit cacti from cuttings, and I'm pretty excited. I have no idea what cultivar they are other than white, red, and a purple fruit. One if them decided to bless me with a shoot. I thought I'd have to wait to stake the plant (not sure why I had the idea) and the dang thing has shot out almost straight sideways! It grew so fast! Is it too late to stake that one? Or is it ok to bend it? Also, the shoot is producing a clear liquid from the little segments. I tried to get a photo, it looks pretty good on my iPhone. Has anyone else's done this? It is slightly sticky, of course I had to taste it, and it's sweet. Hmmm. Google has no answer for that.
Also the other 2 haven't done anything but send down roots and one made 3 spines on a little knob. I sat them outside in a covered spot thinking maybe it's too cold in my house for those type to shoot out. I'd like to stick them all outside in the sun, but it's been pouring rain off and on for days. Any advise would be awesome. I just want to make sure I'm not killing the little guys. I'm not sure if the moisture in the air outside is enough, or if they should still be watered. Again they are in a covered spot so no direct rain.  Thanks in advance.

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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicdude on August 25, 2013, 10:20:41 PM
No problem, they are easy to train, when it gets a bit longer, you can tie it up in the direction you want, the "nodes" have some flexibility.

Also,  Welcome to the forum. :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on August 25, 2013, 10:21:02 PM
So I'm new to the forum, but every time I google dragonfruit this thread pops up. I just started 3 dragon fruit cacti from cuttings, and I'm pretty excited. I have no idea what cultivar they are other than white, red, and a purple fruit. One if them decided to bless me with a shoot. I thought I'd have to wait to stake the plant (not sure why I had the idea) and the dang thing has shot out almost straight sideways! It grew so fast! Is it too late to stake that one? Or is it ok to bend it? Also, the shoot is producing a clear liquid from the little segments. I tried to get a photo, it looks pretty good on my iPhone. Has anyone else's done this? It is slightly sticky, of course I had to taste it, and it's sweet. Hmmm. Google has no answer for that.
Also the other 2 haven't done anything but send down roots and one made 3 spines on a little knob. I sat them outside in a covered spot thinking maybe it's too cold in my house for those type to shoot out. I'd like to stick them all outside in the sun, but it's been pouring rain off and on for days. Any advise would be awesome. I just want to make sure I'm not killing the little guys. I'm not sure if the moisture in the air outside is enough, or if they should still be watered. Again they are in a covered spot so no direct rain.  Thanks in advance.

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Welcome to the forum :)

No, it's not to late to stake it. Actually that's a little to small to stake yet. Let it grow a bit longer, then stake it or since they have already rooted, you can just make a large stake now. Then as they grow branches, you can train them to climb up the large stake. The will eventually grow aerial roots(epiphyllum like orchids) and climb the stake by them self as they grow older. You'll only really need to help tie the long branches to the main stake for support, but like I mention, it will eventually grow aerial roots to help it climb by it self. And don't worry, in your climate, where it's almost like it's natural environment(hot and humid), once it start growing, it will grow really fast. Now, would be a good time to build a trellis or stake in a good location in ground or large container. You can use almost any large container from large nursery pots, large square Rubbermaid totes, 18 gallon rope buckets and even half wine barrel or half 55 gallon plastic drums. I don't think rain will be an issue, unless rot start sets in, their natural environment is in rain forest from south America growing in trees. So they never really get any water except for the moisture from the humid air and when it rains. So, if their outside and it rains, don't need to water them, only if the soil gets dry. However, these are not like regular desert cactus, and they do like more water than desert cacti. So water, when it's starting to get dry , but in rain storm, don't water, because root rot can set in and another issue, you Floridians have in the humid ground is nematodes, so maybe in large pots, you can better prevent nematodes.

Good luck and would love to see your set up.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicdude on August 28, 2013, 11:50:11 AM
My mystery dragon fruit plant, opened its single flower night before last.   at 11Pm. I whipped out my 28ft extension ladder, and went up onto the second story roof. to get these shots.

 (http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff510/William_Crowley/PitayaFlower1_zps3565c550.jpg) (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/William_Crowley/media/PitayaFlower1_zps3565c550.jpg.html)

(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff510/William_Crowley/PitayaFlower2_zps695dd404.jpg) (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/William_Crowley/media/PitayaFlower2_zps695dd404.jpg.html)

(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff510/William_Crowley/PitayaFlower3_zps1da98d18.jpg) (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/William_Crowley/media/PitayaFlower3_zps1da98d18.jpg.html)

The cutting for this was marked "Makisupa" but not sure.  first flowers were more yellowish, but these look like normal Pitaya flowers. 

I did my best to manually pollinate this single flower, no other Pitaya plants flowering at the moment, so hopefully it takes.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on August 28, 2013, 03:55:58 PM
William,
They do look just like normal DF flowers. Maybe, it was just that first single flower, that was a different shade of color. And what's that protruding little yellow thingy?, in the bottom right of the open flower?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicdude on August 28, 2013, 10:48:28 PM
William,
They do look just like normal DF flowers. Maybe, it was just that first single flower, that was a different shade of color. And what's that protruding little yellow thingy?, in the bottom right of the open flower?

That is just the pistil, i used a dry paper towel, to gather some pollen, then rubbed it all over the pistil, hope that gets it pollinated, I just found out that my other dragon fruit plant which I have on the top of the building I work in,  opened 3 flowers at once last night,  wish I had my camera.   I was hoping those would open first so I could collect the pollen to use it on the one in the photos above, but they were a few days off.   

the ones on the roof of the office building have produced fruit on their own before. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on August 29, 2013, 12:54:46 PM
Interesting, I didn't know what that was called. Have only seen most online pictures, but don't remember seeing the pistil. Then again, I've never paid close enough attention to the whole flower's pictures online before ::)

Why don't you grow it on a T-stake tree style instead for easier pollinating? Having it climb the side of your house, would be quite a work, just for pollinating a few flowers on the top of the building. I grow mine in 18 gallon Rubbermaid plastic totes and some in 15-20 gallon nursery pots with a stake in the middle. An alternative to using the pricier  nursery pots is to go with the plastic totes or a bit sturdier, is the 18 gallon rope buckets or the 55 gallon plastic drum(cut 1/2) and half wine.

note: they also produce more flowers on hanging branches or cut tip branches
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Carbo on August 29, 2013, 05:08:24 PM
I've had two cacti in my yard for a few years.  One from Puerto Rico; the other a gift from a friend in Georgia.  Don't know much about them, other than my wfe referring to them as putas, alleging to the flowers only coming out at night.  One has been mostly dormant, but the other has produced numerous flowers each summer, putting on quite a show with her white, bright, exotic looking blooms. 
Today I noticed this red bulb on the active plant, and if I didn't know any better I would say that's a dragon fruit.  :o  For those who know about these things, what's growing in my yard?  If it is a dragon fruit, what do I do now?  Sit back and wait for it to ripen?  Feed the plant?  How do I encourage more fruiting?

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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on August 29, 2013, 06:25:24 PM
It's a fruit all right, but not a dragon fruit/pitiya. Notice your cacti's leaves are flat and doesn't have a thick triangle shape leaf/stem. If, the flowers only blooms at night, it's most likely a "queen of the night/Dutchman's pipe"(Epiphyllum oxypetalum) But, on closer look the leaves, look different, yours kinda have serrated edges, my mom's plant, have smooth edges. It's probably some other kind of orchid cactus in the epiphyllum(most of these are hybrids and flower in the daytime or at dusk/dawn, but some will flower at night too like the E. oxypetalum) genus/family? All will produce fruit, if the flowers gets pollinated, either by hand or naturally by pollinators. As far as I understand, is that all cacti/us's fruits are edible. Though some are not very tasty, very bland and watery flavors. Like your orchid cactus fruit there. You can try it, to see if you like the flavor, though, I bet it's not very sweet or flavorful.

Since you're in Fl, lots of the members over there could help you out with a few cuttings from their DF. Ask around on the forum in this thread and for a quicker response ask in the wanted/buy/sell section, but if you can't locate some locally, I can ship you a cutting or two for postage fees.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JF on August 29, 2013, 07:40:07 PM
Carbo

I have V-9,Haley comet,  American beauty and 2 Cambodian vnk let me know
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicdude on August 29, 2013, 09:22:04 PM
@Thao

I have em growing up the wall, for lack of room. plus it was kind of an experiment to see how well they held on.

I have a few other in containers, and a couple at work, I was just telling the wife I need to get these organized, I have many started spread out all over the plave in nooks and crannies.

@Carbo

I was laughing over here when I read the part of "Putas" and red bulbs. .
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on August 29, 2013, 10:56:40 PM
@Thao

I have a few other in containers, and a couple at work, I was just telling the wife I need to get these organized, I have many started spread out all over the plave in nooks and crannies.

Looks like they held on and is spreading everywhere.
@Carbo

I was laughing over here when I read the part of "Putas" and red bulbs. .

Willam,
Your experiment is a success and now they are climbing all over your house.

Thanks for the good laugh. I didn't catch that part, the first time I read Carbo's post. That made my night ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Carbo on August 30, 2013, 11:41:58 AM
Thank you all for the info and offers to share.  Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Hollywood on August 30, 2013, 03:46:05 PM
My biggest dragonfruit vine is Zamorano and despite my pollination attempts, it is not setting any fruit. I haven't been able to cross-pollinate Zamorano because my other varieties are much smaller and they haven't flowered much yet. What are the best varieties for self-pollinating?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cbss_daviefl on August 30, 2013, 06:31:20 PM
Natural Mystic is one that is self pollinating.  It is red/red and the flavor reminds me a little of watermelon.  Vietnamese Jaina also is self polinating and sweet.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Hollywood on August 30, 2013, 09:17:06 PM
Natural Mystic is one that is self pollinating.  It is red/red and the flavor reminds me a little of watermelon.  Vietnamese Jaina also is self polinating and sweet.

I have never heard of these varieties. Who sells them and are there any drawbacks (lack of vigor, etc)?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on August 30, 2013, 11:04:35 PM
I believe, most magenta, red and red hybrids and some white varieties, are self pollinating. Some I know includes: Haley's comet, purple haze, physical graffiti, natural mystic, red Jaina, Zamorano, American beauty, David bowie, Viet giant and some others, I didn't mention. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cbss_daviefl on August 31, 2013, 04:12:56 PM
Natural Mystic is one that is self pollinating.  It is red/red and the flavor reminds me a little of watermelon.  Vietnamese Jaina also is self polinating and sweet.

I have never heard of these varieties. Who sells them and are there any drawbacks (lack of vigor, etc)?

I think I got mine from Bender's Grove. Pine Island and others carry these.  I still have Natural Mystic in the 3G pot I bought it in, 2+ years now.  It is pretty vigorous, attempting to climb over a 6 ft fence, and flowers often for its size.  I just grabbed a fruit and it has three fruit on it.   I bought wood to build a structure for all my DFs but I have not found the motivation yet.

I believe, most magenta, red and red hybrids and some white varieties, are self pollinating. Some I know includes: Haley's comet, purple haze, physical graffiti, natural mystic, red Jaina, Zamorano, American beauty, David bowie, Viet giant and some others, I didn't mention. 

The Haley's Comet and Physical Graffiti that I have are not self pollinating.  Purple haze may be based on reports from others but I have had flowers not set.   
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on August 31, 2013, 06:04:34 PM
Natural Mystic is one that is self pollinating.  It is red/red and the flavor reminds me a little of watermelon.  Vietnamese Jaina also is self polinating and sweet.

I have never heard of these varieties. Who sells them and are there any drawbacks (lack of vigor, etc)?

I think I got mine from Bender's Grove. Pine Island and others carry these.  I still have Natural Mystic in the 3G pot I bought it in, 2+ years now.  It is pretty vigorous, attempting to climb over a 6 ft fence, and flowers often for its size.  I just grabbed a fruit and it has three fruit on it.   I bought wood to build a structure for all my DFs but I have not found the motivation yet.

I believe, most magenta, red and red hybrids and some white varieties, are self pollinating. Some I know includes: Haley's comet, purple haze, physical graffiti, natural mystic, red Jaina, Zamorano, American beauty, David bowie, Viet giant and some others, I didn't mention. 

The Haley's Comet and Physical Graffiti that I have are not self pollinating.  Purple haze may be based on reports from others but I have had flowers not set.   

I might be confuse, maybe it's self fertile and not self pollinating? Does self fertile mean, it can be pollinated by it's own flower's pollen from another flower on the same plant and self pollinating, means it can set fruits on it's own, w/o any pollinator of sorts present?

I do have PG, PH, AB, guyute, Thai Red, Arizona purple, Phoenix red and Rodger's white, those are said to be self fertile. So, I hope they will set some fruits in the comings years.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cbss_daviefl on August 31, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
In my experience, Haley's Comet and Physical Graffiti require the pollen of another DF variety to set fruit.  Maybe what I have was mislabeled.  Self-infertility is easily overcome by having multiple varieties and refrigerating pollen, which would stay good around 5 days.  Last year, I harvested around 60+ fruit from a single large Haley's Comet.  If it flowered and I did not have pollen, it would flower again soon after.  It is recommended that, when possible, varieties should be cross-pollenated to get larger fruit.  Hand pollenating will also result in a very high rate of fruit set. Almost all the flowers that I hand pollenated set fruit. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicdude on September 02, 2013, 11:22:28 PM
My biggest dragonfruit vine is Zamorano and despite my pollination attempts, it is not setting any fruit. I haven't been able to cross-pollinate Zamorano because my other varieties are much smaller and they haven't flowered much yet. What are the best varieties for self-pollinating?

If I remember correctly I think it was  Pepe that told me he had low production problems with Zamorano,  I have one, but its not that big yet.  this one is the easiest to identify, the thorn nodules are closer spaced and longer, on the Zamorano.   my guess here is that this variety probably does better with a pollinator of another variety. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: greenman62 on September 03, 2013, 02:24:04 PM
Ive been looking for cuttings
i have a Physical Graffiti (small cutting) , but we had LOTS of rain here and its not looking to good
I am really interested in the yellow, but would appreciate just about any kind
I have lots of different seeds, and some other stuff for trade.

small list
Seeds I have
    Moringa Olifera seeds and seedling
    several hot and bell pepper seeds
    Papaya
    Guava (soon)
    Mulberry
    Wormwood
    Sweet wormwood
    Chicle Zapote
    Jujube
    sapote
    Syrian Rue
    Intelligence tree - Celastrus paniculatus


 Plants I have to trade:

    trees i can take cuttings from...
    Satsuma cutting
    Guava Cutting
    Mulberry cutting
    dwarf POM
    Aloe Vera
    Jujube
    should have cuttings in a couple of months
    of these
    Calea (dream herb)
    justicia pectoralis var. stenophylla
    Korth
    papaya seedling
    lychee seedling

Brad


Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on September 03, 2013, 09:46:02 PM
I love this thread, besides the good commentary and the beautiful dragon fruit pictures, it helps me in my quest to find yearly-reliable and productive, very-sweet, large-sized, dragon fruit variety(ies) of excellent quality(ies).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicdude on September 03, 2013, 10:22:14 PM
My mystery dragon fruit plant, opened its single flower night before last.   at 11Pm. I whipped out my 28ft extension ladder, and went up onto the second story roof. to get these shots.

 ([url]http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff510/William_Crowley/PitayaFlower1_zps3565c550.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/William_Crowley/media/PitayaFlower1_zps3565c550.jpg.html[/url])

([url]http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff510/William_Crowley/PitayaFlower2_zps695dd404.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/William_Crowley/media/PitayaFlower2_zps695dd404.jpg.html[/url])

([url]http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff510/William_Crowley/PitayaFlower3_zps1da98d18.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/William_Crowley/media/PitayaFlower3_zps1da98d18.jpg.html[/url])

The cutting for this was marked "Makisupa" but not sure.  first flowers were more yellowish, but these look like normal Pitaya flowers. 

I did my best to manually pollinate this single flower, no other Pitaya plants flowering at the moment, so hopefully it takes.


UPDATE:

Flower bud just dropped off today just like the previous 3 it has put out,  looks like this variety whatever it is, needs a separate pollinator. :(  I'm not too happy.   may give it another chance, but if continues to fail, I will yank it out, and put in another variety. I have a few more that would be happy to take its place.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 08, 2013, 11:35:33 AM
Does anyone have experience with eating quality of Frankies Red? 
Or better yet, photos to share with us?  This hybrid sounds very intriguing
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 08, 2013, 11:38:18 AM
Does anyone have experience with eating quality of Frankies Red? 
Or better yet, photos to share with us?  This hybrid sounds very intriguing

Does anyone have cuttings of Frankies Red? I tried to find it before, I have about 20 other DF varieties but could never find a source for Frankies Red.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: emegar on October 08, 2013, 12:33:20 PM
nullzy,

I got a cutting of Frankie's Red from mattslandscape.com last year.  It's in a fairly shaded location and is very spindly/narrow, but I have had a couple of pieces break off which I put in pots to root.  If you can't source it elsewhere, I'm sure I could send you one.

James
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 08, 2013, 01:10:36 PM
nullzy,

I got a cutting of Frankie's Red from mattslandscape.com last year.  It's in a fairly shaded location and is very spindly/narrow, but I have had a couple of pieces break off which I put in pots to root.  If you can't source it elsewhere, I'm sure I could send you one.

James

James,

Sent you a PM, thanks for the fast reply.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on October 08, 2013, 02:52:20 PM
Ooo... You have a Frankie's red... I've heard of it but I think it has the same annoying slow ripening as the megalanthus. I have much trouble fruiting the regular yellow one.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 08, 2013, 03:02:31 PM
I wonder if anyone of us outside of Sven or Leo have experienced this variety?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: eNorm on October 08, 2013, 03:57:08 PM
I wonder if anyone of us outside of Sven or Leo have experienced this variety?

I got mine from Leo a few years ago and had my first bloom this year.  I had a fruit growing and developing, but a last month it just turned yellow and fell off.  :'(  It's a very small fruit and supposed to be delicious.  I hope to have it flower and have better luck next year.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 08, 2013, 04:05:09 PM
Thanks for the report Norm.  Very small?  :'(
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: eNorm on October 08, 2013, 10:55:54 PM
Tim,

It's personal sized... that way you don't have to share.   ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 09, 2013, 07:20:00 AM
I never did get Frankie's red or the regular S. megalanthus to fruit, but I didn't try very hard.  They both have very similar growth patterns.  Unfortunately I don't have either growing anymore.  Ok I’ve got to ask, how did you know I had that variety Tim?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Fruitguy on October 09, 2013, 08:11:30 AM
S. megalanthus is self-fertile here in S. Florida, but the fruit are considerably smaller (<150 g.) than those found in the markets of Colombia. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 09, 2013, 10:49:46 AM
Cuz I'm Batman

I never did get Frankie's red or the regular S. megalanthus to fruit, but I didn't try very hard.  They both have very similar growth patterns.  Unfortunately I don't have either growing anymore.  Ok I’ve got to ask, how did you know I had that variety Tim?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 09, 2013, 12:57:06 PM
Oh, of course.  That explains everything.  Wait, do I know you?  What’s going on, where am I? And what the hell does this smiley face mean  :blank:?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MMMMommy on October 09, 2013, 02:51:41 PM
What a beautiful sight to behold :)

(http://s13.postimg.org/hrmal5qk3/IMG_5299.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/hrmal5qk3/)

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 09, 2013, 02:56:43 PM
What a beautiful sight to behold :)

([url]http://s13.postimg.org/hrmal5qk3/IMG_5299.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/hrmal5qk3/[/url])


Congrats what variety? Also from the picture it looks like its grown in SoCal?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MMMMommy on October 09, 2013, 03:38:30 PM
What a beautiful sight to behold :)

([url]http://s13.postimg.org/hrmal5qk3/IMG_5299.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/hrmal5qk3/[/url])


Congrats what variety? Also from the picture it looks like its grown in SoCal?


I don't know what variety it is.  All I know is that it has white flesh & the fruits are very big.  I also have the purple and red flesh ones, but their fruits are smaller :).  BTW, how on earth can you tell that it's grown in SoCal just by looking at the pic? (you're right, though)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 09, 2013, 03:45:23 PM
What a beautiful sight to behold :)

([url]http://s13.postimg.org/hrmal5qk3/IMG_5299.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/hrmal5qk3/[/url])


Congrats what variety? Also from the picture it looks like its grown in SoCal?


I don't know what variety it is.  All I know is that it has white flesh & the fruits are very big.  I also have the purple and red flesh ones, but their fruits are smaller :).  BTW, how on earth can you tell that it's grown in SoCal just by looking at the pic? (you're right, though)


If I had to take a guess I would say South Bay area or North OC near the 405. I can tell the area its grown in by the ambient lighting in the picture. Also the plants in the foreground and background being grown like the Ficus sp. (very popular in SoCal, and do not get out of control and big usually). Even the type of concrete block used... for instance that exact wall and type of lighting I would see at my friend's house in Lawndale.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MMMMommy on October 09, 2013, 04:01:44 PM
What a beautiful sight to behold :)

([url]http://s13.postimg.org/hrmal5qk3/IMG_5299.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/hrmal5qk3/[/url])


Congrats what variety? Also from the picture it looks like its grown in SoCal?


I don't know what variety it is.  All I know is that it has white flesh & the fruits are very big.  I also have the purple and red flesh ones, but their fruits are smaller :).  BTW, how on earth can you tell that it's grown in SoCal just by looking at the pic? (you're right, though)


If I had to take a guess I would say South Bay area or North OC near the 405. I can tell the area its grown in by the ambient lighting in the picture. Also the plants in the foreground and background being grown like the Ficus sp. (very popular in SoCal, and do not get out of control and big usually). Even the type of concrete block used... for instance that exact wall and type of lighting I would see at my friend's house in Lawndale.


Oh boy, you're good!  I gotta be careful posting pictures of my yard now or you can pinpoint my exact location LOL!  The plant in the front is actually a lychee :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 09, 2013, 04:05:29 PM
What a beautiful sight to behold :)

([url]http://s13.postimg.org/hrmal5qk3/IMG_5299.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/hrmal5qk3/[/url])


Congrats what variety? Also from the picture it looks like its grown in SoCal?


I don't know what variety it is.  All I know is that it has white flesh & the fruits are very big.  I also have the purple and red flesh ones, but their fruits are smaller :).  BTW, how on earth can you tell that it's grown in SoCal just by looking at the pic? (you're right, though)


If I had to take a guess I would say South Bay area or North OC near the 405. I can tell the area its grown in by the ambient lighting in the picture. Also the plants in the foreground and background being grown like the Ficus sp. (very popular in SoCal, and do not get out of control and big usually). Even the type of concrete block used... for instance that exact wall and type of lighting I would see at my friend's house in Lawndale.


Oh boy, you're good!  I gotta be careful posting pictures of my yard now or you can pinpoint my exact location LOL!  The plant in the front is actually a lychee :)


Darn got that tree wrong, looks awfully close to a ficus sp. Especially the way the light shines off the leaves. Its kind of funny how much you can get from the picture if your familiar with the area and how pictures taken there should look. I hope I did not screw up your anonymous location to much lol.

Congrats on future dragon fruits :).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 09, 2013, 04:19:36 PM
Weren't you guys supposed to meet up at Behl's place last year as a group for grafting demonstration & brainstorming that ended up at your place with a few members short due to family ER?

Darn got that tree wrong, looks awfully close to a ficus sp. Especially the way the light shines off the leaves. Its kind of funny how much you can get from the picture if your familiar with the area and how pictures taken there should look. I hope I did not screw up your anonymous location to much lol.

Congrats on future dragon fruits :).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 09, 2013, 04:27:39 PM
I'm just playing, it was just a really lucky edumacated guess considering you've been around the scenes and all....but no, seriously, cuz I'm Batman!!!

Oh, of course.  That explains everything.  Wait, do I know you?  What’s going on, where am I? And what the hell does this smiley face mean  :blank:?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 09, 2013, 05:23:57 PM
Weren't you guys supposed to meet up at Behl's place last year as a group for grafting demonstration & brainstorming that ended up at your place with a few members short due to family ER?

Darn got that tree wrong, looks awfully close to a ficus sp. Especially the way the light shines off the leaves. Its kind of funny how much you can get from the picture if your familiar with the area and how pictures taken there should look. I hope I did not screw up your anonymous location to much lol.

Congrats on future dragon fruits :).

Yeah, I think your right, Tim. I totally forgot associating the screen name with that. Not sure if any of the grafts took during that get together, but it was fun anyway. Fang was really informative and a very nice and patient person.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on October 09, 2013, 10:05:01 PM
I'd like to report on my 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit.

This past month it's been growing really fast, I suppose it's gotten established at its location. If I remember correctly, I planted it this year in May.

I'm using the Chemically Pressure Treated Wooden Post Method. I have about seven 'David Bowie' sections planted around the wood pole. This is the method used at Pine Island Nursery, where I got my 'David Bowie' from. Much to my shagrin, I've noticed that the roots of the Dragon Fruit hate the chemically pressure treated wood of the pole, just by looking at it, one can just tell, the roots don't want to cling to it. After a big section of the 'David Bowie' fell off the pole, I had to resource to Plastic Butterfly Ties, to affix the plant back on to the wood pole. And, it worked, the 'David Bowie' has been growing fast this month. Although, it hasn't yet reached the top of the pole yet. But, at the pace it's going, it shouldn't be long.

Right now I'm waiting for flower(s) to appear at the tips of the pole climbing plant.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MMMMommy on October 10, 2013, 12:25:18 PM
Weren't you guys supposed to meet up at Behl's place last year as a group for grafting demonstration & brainstorming that ended up at your place with a few members short due to family ER?

Darn got that tree wrong, looks awfully close to a ficus sp. Especially the way the light shines off the leaves. Its kind of funny how much you can get from the picture if your familiar with the area and how pictures taken there should look. I hope I did not screw up your anonymous location to much lol.

Congrats on future dragon fruits :).

Yeah, I think your right, Tim. I totally forgot associating the screen name with that. Not sure if any of the grafts took during that get together, but it was fun anyway. Fang was really informative and a very nice and patient person.

Ahh.. now I remember that event, too!  My mother-in-law passed away right around that weekend so I couldn't host the meeting at my house.  I wonder how that meeting and all the grafts went, as I never saw any pictures or any posts about them afterward.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 10, 2013, 02:16:18 PM
I finally got to read through this thread and I thought I would clear up a few things if I can.  Paul Thomson (co-founder of CRFG) did a lot of early work in California with dragon fruit.  He crossed a variety called Rixford with a variety name Neitzel and grew several seedlings out to fruiting age.  These he just gave numbers like 1S, 2S, 3S and so on.  He named his favorite delight, which was his number 3S, but the rest were left with numbers.  None of these are self-fertile, ie they need cross pollination.

Years ago I gave Pine Island a selection of varieties in the hope that they could generate a lot more plant material quicker in their more favorable growing conditions.  I was having trouble propagating enough of any one variety to do any kind of significant planting.

It did work and they started selling them but they also named them since they were only numbered or lettered.  I wish they had had someone other than a stoned high school student name them  ;), but at least they finally got names.  Here is a list of the synonyms that I know of.

1S = Physical Graffiti
2S = Cosmic Charlie
5S = Purple Haze
9S = Dark Star
Quang Ong Self Fertile (QOSF) = American Beauty
Ben Poier H. poly. (BPHP) = Bloody Mary

1S (Physical Graffiti) was always my favorite.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 10, 2013, 02:17:57 PM
Also, here is an article that might have some useful info in it.  I know the author, he’s an ok guy ;D.

http://www.jpacd.org/downloads/vol5/v5p98-105.pdf (http://www.jpacd.org/downloads/vol5/v5p98-105.pdf)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 10, 2013, 02:44:42 PM
Thanks for the history lesson, Sven.
How come http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hs303 (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hs303) has American Beauty's origin as Guatemala?

Do you have anything on Halley's Comet?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on October 10, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Interesting history lesson. I have 1s,5s and QOSF, so that means my PG and PH will need to be cross pollinated. Well good thing, I have a few other variety as well. Know anything about Phoenix Red, Arizona purple, Thai Red, guyute and Rodger's White?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 10, 2013, 05:46:22 PM
Purple Haze & Physical Graffiti don't need to be

Interesting history lesson. I have 1s,5s and QOSF, so that means my PG and PH will need to be cross pollinated. Well good thing, I have a few other variety as well. Know anything about Phoenix Red, Arizona purple, Thai Red, guyute and Rodger's White?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 10, 2013, 06:00:08 PM
The simple answer is because they are wrong  ;).  If you go to the Pine Island site and look at American Beauty  http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/dragon/pages/QOSF.htm (http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/dragon/pages/QOSF.htm) you will notice QOSF at the end of the web address.  I used to give varieties I collected a 3 or 4 letter designation.  In this case it is Quang Ong Self Fertile or QOSF.  I got this from Quang himself and gave it to Pine Island labeled QOSF and they named it American Beauty.  I did give them a sheet with information on each of the varieties, but it probably got lost long before they named them.  I suspect Quang got this variety from Asia somewhere but I’m not sure.

Actually that is how I realized they had named the varieties, because I noticed 1S at the end of their web address: http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/dragon/pages/IS.htm (http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/dragon/pages/IS.htm)  So I wrote them and they gave me the list I posted above.

I don’t know anything about Halley's Comet.  The thing is I gave them 16 varieties (if I recall correctly) so it is possible some of the others they sell are some of Paul’s varieties or others I gave them.  That one sure looks like it could be one of Paul’s, but it might not be.  I need to get some files off my old computer, and when I do I will post all the varieties I gave them so people can compare and see if anything looks to be duplicated.  As an example, the fruit of Voodoo Child sure looks like Paul’s 8S (a different cross than 1-5S and 9S) but I can’t tell for sure without seeing the stem.  8S has a very distinct growth pattern. 

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 10, 2013, 06:04:50 PM
Purple Haze & Physical Graffiti don't need to be

Interesting history lesson. I have 1s,5s and QOSF, so that means my PG and PH will need to be cross pollinated. Well good thing, I have a few other variety as well. Know anything about Phoenix Red, Arizona purple, Thai Red, guyute and Rodger's White?

Sorry, I actually meant to qualify that by saying Paul found them not to be self fertile, as did I, but in other areas or under different management that might not be the case.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 10, 2013, 06:08:08 PM
Also, even with self-fertile varieties, hand cross-pollination usually gives you a much larger fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 10, 2013, 06:11:38 PM
One other thing, try eating the white petals of the flowers.  The ones on the inside of the flower.  They are mildly sweet and I always thought they would be great in a salad.  I bet you could even market them that way.  It doesn’t hurt the fruit set by pulling them off.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 10, 2013, 06:27:05 PM
Thanks for the clarification... Very interesting regarding the petals. Never had fresh but dried out flowers after fruit set could be used in cooking in the same manner as dried bamboo shoots in Vietnamese cooking.

Do flower petals vary in sweetness from different varieties?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on October 10, 2013, 07:10:28 PM
Indeed interesting about the flower petals. So it's like the fejoas' edible flower petals then, mildly sweet. Will have to give it try, next year, if mine mange to fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 10, 2013, 07:25:25 PM
I never noticed a difference in the sweetness of the petals between varieties but I never paid close attention to it. 

They aren’t exactly like fejoas.  They aren’t as sweet as that and they have an earthy sort of flavor.  I actually just had a Cereus peruvianus bloom and the petals taste similar.

There are other mistakes in the list here http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hs303 (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hs303) they list delight as a H. polyrhizus x H. undatus cross which isn’t exactly correct.  Rixford might have H. polyrhizus in its parentage but it definitely isn’t a H. poly as far as I know.  Actually it could be any of the red fleshed species in its heritage, I don’t know for sure.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on October 10, 2013, 09:07:02 PM
 

They aren’t exactly like fejoas.  They aren’t as sweet as that and they have an earthy sort of flavor.  I actually just had a Cereus peruvianus bloom and the petals taste similar.


I actually haven't tasted either fejoa fruit or flower petals, always heard people, say the flower petals are edible. So, thought that they might be similar, but only way for me to find out, is to try some of both next year ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JF on October 12, 2013, 01:02:46 AM
Thanks for the reminder and history lesson Sven !! Paul Thomson and the CRFG have made great contributions to our hobby.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on October 12, 2013, 05:16:18 AM
A good friend has a clean sweep of the Californian hybrids like rixford,haleys comet,american beauty,physical graffiti,purple haze,dark star,delight,cosmic charlie and about a dozen other top types. He has many Asian bred types, Australian ones and about 8 other Hylocereus species and S.megalanthus. Being an enthusiast he reads everything on the top and laughs at my collection od types and species. I thought I had a pretty crash hot assemblage although they are still young. Anyway he has expressed some strong opinions on dragonfruit that are not obvious in the literature.

He suggested the many of the Hylos need to be lumped and are not genetically or morphologically distinct and are not really separate species. He also said the common yellow S.megalanthus id a natural intergeneric hybrid that will become a Hyloc. soon.He advised me that most of the inferior tastes were due to picking too young and that the Californian glamorous hybrids were only on par in flavour with yellows, common commercial self fertile reds,the best viet whites and some of the wild types like true H.occamponis.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 12, 2013, 07:35:10 AM
Mike,

I agree with your friend about the “flavor”.  When properly ripened many of the varieties achieve similar levels of sweetness.  In fact the sweetest fruit I grew was not one of Paul’s varieties but a G2 which is a variety from Guatemala that Steve Spangler at Exotica was propagating and selling.  It had a brix of 31 if I recall correctly.

The biggest problem with them commercially (as I saw it) is that by the time they are sweet enough to taste good they look like crap on the outside and no one would buy them.  So either you sell nice looking fruit that no one will buy again because it is insipid or you sell ugly fruit that no one will even try because of the outward appearance.  1S looked like it got sweet earlier than other varieties.

There are some varieties that produce insipid fruit even when you leave them on the plant long enough.  George Emerich had a dead jacaranda tree in his driveway that was covered in pitaya.  It was from 4 cuttings planted at the base of the tree.  I believe he did get some sweet fruit but some was insipid no matter how long you left it on the vine.  He wasn’t sure if all 4 of the plants were the same or different but I suspect there were at least 2 different clones there.  When the tree fell over I went and got two pickup truck loads of cuttings and rooted a ton of them, but scrapped most of them when I realized it wasn’t a good variety.

Sven

p.s. Rixford isn't one of the hybrids, it's one Paul collected from someone else.  It's one of the parents of Paul's hybrids.


Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on October 28, 2013, 07:39:52 PM
How you rated the diferent var. of dragon's in terms of flavour?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Daintree on October 28, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
Great ideas for a dragon fruit thread!
I could use some help with mine!
I have Physical Graffiti, and a yellow dragon fruit (Selenicereus megalanthus according to Pine Island Nursery, where I ordered them).  I have had them for over 3 years now, and cannot get them to bloom!  They were fairly large plants in gallon pots when I got them.
They have been in my tropical greenhouse, which never gets below 50F.  I have tried SO many different things to try and get them to bloom - lots of water, little water, fertilizer, no fertilizer, letting them grow until they took over the place with greenery, pruning them down, more light, more shade, and nothing.  I have no problem at all with getting my epiphyllums (orchid cactus) to bloom. I have recently moved the dragon fruit to the dormant house (gets into the high 30's in winter but never freezes), thinking maybe they need vernalization(?). 
They grow like weeds, and seem really happy and healthy, other than no blooms.  Aaarggh!

The only other things I can think of are, maybe, light intensity?  Or do they have a critical photo period and I need to keep them in the light for a longer period each day?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on October 28, 2013, 11:41:32 PM
My 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit has picked up in growing speed and strength, but I'm still waiting for the first flower. I'm using the Pine Island Nursery single pole method. The cuttings were planted around the pole almost two years ago. I chose this variety because the P.I.N. website said the flavor and productivity is excellent. I have a feeling that it won't be long now.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on October 29, 2013, 06:53:33 AM
My first dragon fruit (yellow Selenicereus megalanthus)!  ;D
(http://s23.postimg.org/oqq3fttiv/foto0292.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/oqq3fttiv/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 29, 2013, 07:22:03 AM
Daintree,

Can you post a picture of your plants?  Lack of flowering in Hylocereus species (in my experience) is usually from too much shade.  They will do fine with high 30’s (even low 30’s is ok) so the move into the dormant house should be no problem.  Maybe even the added stress will help them bloom.  Do you fertilize much?  Sometimes they just take a year or two longer than you would think or want them to. 

Looks good Luisport.  As for flavor of the Hyloceres varieties I’ll leave it up to other people with more experience fruiting them.  I will say they generally don’t really have much flavor, just sweet and juicy.  Also most of the varieties will attain similar sweetness when the fruits are left on the plant to ripen properly.

Sven
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Daintree on October 30, 2013, 07:53:22 PM
Here are some pictures of my dragon fruit.  Earlier in the summer, they were quite large, but I got mad at them for not blooming and chopped them down.  Then I felt bad and repotted them and built them the new, smaller trellises. 

This was last spring (sorry, it is hard to see them behind the cacao that is covered with grasskeet "anti-landing devices") -
(http://s24.postimg.org/6lec7melt/cacao_and_dragon_fruit.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6lec7melt/)

Also, the stems never got thick, they just got VERY long and spindly, like they are now.
More light, you think?  Can I have success with artificial light, if the natural light isn't enough?  I have burned them several times trying to put them in full sun.

These were just taken a few minutes ago -
(http://s24.postimg.org/ucib3h46p/Physical_Grafitti.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ucib3h46p/)

(http://s24.postimg.org/egth06dm9/Yellow.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/egth06dm9/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 30, 2013, 08:48:21 PM
Your dragon fruits are fairly young looking
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Daintree on October 30, 2013, 10:24:07 PM
I bought them 3 years avon, and the stems were very thick (2-3 inches).  THey were about 2 feet tall, and seemed really vigorous.  They have grown like crazy, but the stems are always very thin.
Aarrrggh!  I am tired of buying my dragon fruit at the oriental market in Portland!
What am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 30, 2013, 10:49:20 PM
I bought them 3 years avon, and the stems were very thick (2-3 inches).  THey were about 2 feet tall, and seemed really vigorous.  They have grown like crazy, but the stems are always very thin.
Aarrrggh!  I am tired of buying my dragon fruit at the oriental market in Portland!
What am I doing wrong?

Its probably the amount of light, like others have commented. From experience when dragon fruit is lacking light it tends to get thin and sprawl out seeking more light.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Daintree on October 31, 2013, 12:20:50 AM
Thanks!
Starting tomorrow, they get MORE LIGHT!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 31, 2013, 01:11:36 AM
They absolutely need more light.  When they don’t get enough light the stems get really thin and they grow extra long trying to reach the light (etiolated).  When they get that much shade they rarely bloom.  Those thin stems can’t hold much weight so either tie them really well to your trellis, which looks great by the way, or cut them back so they can re-grow some stout stems.  Look at the pictures below, that’s how thick they should be.  Those were grown under 30% shade cloth.

(http://s15.postimg.org/l7r89o4qf/P6060019.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/l7r89o4qf/)

(http://s11.postimg.org/c7a324az3/P6060020.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/c7a324az3/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on October 31, 2013, 06:21:50 AM
pitaya aka dragon fruit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW-10M-fpHI#)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on October 31, 2013, 06:34:45 AM
Here in Thailand they are in full sun and huge. Also i read that they have to be at least 5 kg (10 lbs) to be able to fruit.

I also read some variety's don't need full sun but partially shade.

Yesterday i bought a red fleshed one and they taste better then a white fleshed one grown in Thailand.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Fruitguy on October 31, 2013, 08:25:29 AM
I also read some variety's don't need full sun but partially shade.

Location, location, location!  Just like in real estate, location is an important factor.  In the deserts of Israel (high light intensity, low humidity) dragonfruit must be grown under shadecloth.  If my memory hasn't totally failed me, most species did best under 30% shade with the exception of Selenicereus megalanthus which fruited best under 60% shade.  Here in South Florida, all of the Hylocereus species/varieties I have growing can handle full-sun in the summer (high light intensity, high humidity).  The only time of the year that I have problems is in October when the dry season starts to kick in and the nearly daily rain dries up to once a week or less, and I can start to get a little burn on some of them.  A little supplemental watering usually takes care of that.  My S. megalanthus is currently growing in a black sapote (think fairly heavy shade) and only the parts that find sun set fruit, albeit relatively small fruit (about 100 g.)

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on October 31, 2013, 10:46:50 AM
2011 Dragon Fruit Festival Fruit Varieties (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzvwt-RV08M#ws)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on October 31, 2013, 10:50:40 AM
2012 Pitahaya Festival (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjrq_vvO62M#ws)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on October 31, 2013, 11:01:19 AM
Organic Dragon Fruit Harvest & the Perfect Dessert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL3mJssttQo#ws)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on October 31, 2013, 11:37:56 AM
Vietnam Dragon Fruit (www.vktour.com) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz9OsjfYziw#)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rtreid on October 31, 2013, 02:08:41 PM
They absolutely need more light.  When they don’t get enough light the stems get really thin and they grow extra long trying to reach the light (etiolated).  When they get that much shade they rarely bloom.  Those thin stems can’t hold much weight so either tie them really well to your trellis, which looks great by the way, or cut them back so they can re-grow some stout stems.  Look at the pictures below, that’s how thick they should be.  Those were grown under 30% shade cloth.

([url]http://s15.postimg.org/l7r89o4qf/P6060019.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/l7r89o4qf/[/url])

([url]http://s11.postimg.org/c7a324az3/P6060020.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/c7a324az3/[/url])


Sven

Nice photos, are those plants being grown out to be planted someplace or will they be fruited in those containers?  I have a bunch of dragon fruit in 5 gallon pots and I was hoping to be able to get at least a few fruit from them next year (they are about the size of the plants in the photo

Richard
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on October 31, 2013, 02:12:43 PM
At first, my Yellow Dragon didn't like intense sunlight while it was getting established, it grew much faster under artificial light but once it got established, it was growing really well in full sunlight. Under artificial light and growing in 50% shade, the YD was growing really long and the growth rate was pretty fast but the stems were very thin and round or cylindrical, the stems were not wide and flattened out.

Now that it is established and gets at least 8 hours of direct sunlight, the stems are wide and strong. The Yellow Dragon and Frankie's Red are my two Dragonfruit that does not get sunburned at 95F+ heat in full sun. Here is a picture of the first fruits from my YD. It has Two larger fruit, one smaller fruit and four flower buds on it so far.
Simon
(http://s14.postimg.org/jnzcvt5m5/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jnzcvt5m5/)

(http://s14.postimg.org/dlrq5bh65/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/dlrq5bh65/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on October 31, 2013, 02:26:54 PM
For getting my Dragonfruit to actually fruit, I do not give my plants much if any Nitrogen fertilizer once they are the size I want them to be at. I give them something like organic 0-10-10 about a month or two Before I expect them to initiate flowering. I also give them very little water several months before I expect them to flower. DF as with all my plants seem to respond extremely well to Seaweed/kelp extract.

How your DF plants are grown can also be a factor, I read somewhere and have definitely experienced that I get most my fruit from branches that are hanging down. I'm not sure if anyone else has experienced this also but I noticed that I got out of season blooms when I severely pruned my DF. I harvested most my DF 2-3 months ago and trimmed my plants back and shortly after that, the plants that I pruned flowered again. One of the vegetative stems actually turned into a flower, very odd.
Simon
(http://s16.postimg.org/edc8phgm9/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/edc8phgm9/)

(http://s16.postimg.org/ulsgyypgh/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ulsgyypgh/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on October 31, 2013, 03:15:50 PM
Simon - Jacob posted the odd behavior of his dragon fruit here as well

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6705.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6705.0)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on October 31, 2013, 03:38:29 PM
Not DF , but my peach did the same thing too, after heavy pruning. Strange how nature works.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=7503.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=7503.0)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on October 31, 2013, 03:50:02 PM


Sven

Nice photos, are those plants being grown out to be planted someplace or will they be fruited in those containers?  I have a bunch of dragon fruit in 5 gallon pots and I was hoping to be able to get at least a few fruit from them next year (they are about the size of the plants in the photo

Richard
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Thanks Richard,

Those are actually old pictures, maybe from 2002.  They were to be fruited in place there.  If yours are a similar size you should get some fruit next year.  I did the year after that photo.  Unfortunately I used those tall 5 gal pots with the bottoms cut out.  They made it hard to get the plants enough water and organic matter once they got larger and they did not root out the bottom as easily as I thought they would.  I would plant them directly in the ground and compost the hell out of them if I had to do it again.  Most of those plants are dead now, but I am heading up to show that property this afternoon and I will be digging up anything that is still alive.

Sven
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on November 01, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
Yep, only two Joyce Greenlund plants still alive and I think I found one cutting of Punch (Paul's 3.5S) that still has some green on it, hoping it will root.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: marklee on November 01, 2013, 01:35:33 PM
At first, my Yellow Dragon didn't like intense sunlight while it was getting established, it grew much faster under artificial light but once it got established, it was growing really well in full sunlight. Under artificial light and growing in 50% shade, the YD was growing really long and the growth rate was pretty fast but the stems were very thin and round or cylindrical, the stems were not wide and flattened out.

Now that it is established and gets at least 8 hours of direct sunlight, the stems are wide and strong. The Yellow Dragon and Frankie's Red are my two Dragonfruit that does not get sunburned at 95F+ heat in full sun. Here is a picture of the first fruits from my YD. It has Two larger fruit, one smaller fruit and four flower buds on it so far.
Simon
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Simon,

My YD is done,  had it's last flower over a month ago, I have some nice fruit, and they usually size up good. Where did you get your cuttings from? I got mine from seeds of a plant from England that made it's way to a friend in Vista and they get some large yellows. Trying to figure out if there are some different types of S. Megalanthus. I also just got a plant from Steve at Exotica that he says came from Trinidad, it looks like a Megalanthus, just need to wait for it to fruit in a few years.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: marklee on November 01, 2013, 01:38:16 PM
Does anyone have any knowledge of PI having what they labeled as "red megalanthus" and "Yellow Undatus"?. While visiting there in 2011 they had these. I don't know if they released them or where they got them. I'm wondering if the "Red Megalanthus" is "Frankie's Red".
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on November 01, 2013, 02:05:39 PM
Hey Mark, your reply got cut off. I tried the Yellow Undatus at the dragonfruit festival several years ago and from my recollection, it was nothing special and not very sweet. I'm not sure if the Red Megalanthus is Frankie's red but I have cuttings if you are interested.
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 03, 2013, 04:19:24 PM
Pitaya Plus: A Superfruit on a Social Mission on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/33620759)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on November 05, 2013, 12:54:06 PM
I just harvested the last of the 24 Dragon Fruits my trellis produced over the last few months. I was very impressed how sweet they were with highest brix reading at 18.4 The largest one shown on the scale in the photo below weighed 1.21 lbs!!.  I'm going to measure the brix of that one when I cut into it and add a picture of the inside of it. Considering I started this Dragon fruit trellis on Jan 1st 2012 from small cuttings I am very happy with its shape and productivity!!
(http://s22.postimg.org/qr2l4fa3x/20131105_102747.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qr2l4fa3x/)

(http://s24.postimg.org/j6xyyb581/dragon_fruit_7_21_13.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/j6xyyb581/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on November 05, 2013, 12:55:32 PM
I just harvested the last of 24 Dragon Fruits my trellis produced over the last few months. I was very impressed how sweet they were with highest brix reading at 18.4 The largest one shown on the scale in the photo below.  I'm going to measure the brix of that one when I cut into it. And add a picture of the inside of it.
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Congrats on the great harvest. What variety was it again? American Beauty?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 05, 2013, 12:58:23 PM
I just harvested the last of 24 Dragon Fruits my trellis produced over the last few months. I was very impressed how sweet they were with highest brix reading at 18.4 The largest one shown on the scale in the photo below.  I'm going to measure the brix of that one when I cut into it. And add a picture of the inside of it.
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Congratulations!!! They seams great... enjoy! By the way you eat them like that or you make any recipe?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on November 05, 2013, 01:02:39 PM
Nullzero I have Physical Graffiti and Haley's Comet

Luisport... I just eat them fresh like that. I like them a bit better when chilled but I will eat them fresh off the plant.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 05, 2013, 01:11:15 PM
Nullzero I have Physical Graffiti and Haley's Comet

Luisport... I just eat them fresh like that. I like them a bit better when chilled but I will eat them fresh off the plant.
Thank's Marin, i never try one but i'm shure i will in near time!  :P
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on November 05, 2013, 01:49:35 PM
Good job, your plant and fruits look great!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on November 05, 2013, 02:26:19 PM
Yep, only two Joyce Greenlund plants still alive and I think I found one cutting of Punch (Paul's 3.5S) that still has some green on it, hoping it will root.


I just got an e-mail asking for info on these two varieties so I thought I would answer it here in case others are interested as well. 

Paul Thomsom's #3.5S is a seedling he grew out and then distributed quite a while after his other seedlings (1S, 2S, 3S…).  A grower here in California named it Punch, I believe because he thought it tasted like fruit punch.  It is a good quality fruit but I found it was not very productive.  I believe the grower I mentioned planted a good amount but also found its production on the shy side.  I’m not sure the parentage of this one and I’m not sure it is listed in Paul’s book.  Also I’m not sure if it is self-fertile.  It did the best at my old place over the last 10 years with water only and no care.  It's a vigorous grower. 

Joyce Greenlund, sometimes called Joyce and sometimes called Greenlund, is a variety that was reportedly self-fertile.  Early on self-fertile varieties were quite rare.  This one set fruit for Joyce at her place near Santa Barbara without hand pollination.  It is white fleshed and quite pretty on the outside but it wasn’t self-fertile for either Paul or I.  Paul heard about it and got cuttings from Joyce and I paid her a visit later on and she graciously gave me a fair number of cuttings and I planted 1/8 of an acre of them.  By the way Joyce made the best lemon scones I have ever eaten!

These are pictures of the original plant at Joyce's
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Here are a couple of the fruit

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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on November 05, 2013, 02:38:30 PM
I just found this in a old word file.  It's got to be from Paul, it may be from his book or some other source, I'm not sure but I thought I would post it.  I added the newer names.

Paul Thomson’s Hybrid Pitahayas

   The first hybrid seeds were from a cross made of two unknown species ‘Neitzel’ and ‘Rixford’. All seedlings of “Neitzel” X ‘Rixford’ must be cross pollinated to set fruit. The seedlings of “Neitzel” X ‘Rixford’ are:  1-S, 2-S, 3-S, 4-S, 5-S, 6-S, and 9-S. The first seedlings fruited in 1998 and all fruited by 2000.

   Seedlings 7-S and 8-S are from a cross between 'Houghton' and ‘Rixford’, both with red flesh of excellent flavor. `Houghton may not be a Hylocereus but a related genus as the fruit has very small scales each with a sharp spine at its tip, a characteristic not found in fruits of the genus Hylocereus.  Fruit is round and 2” in diameter. It is very frost hardy and has only suffered minor damage by a temperature of 25 degrees F. The 2 seedlings are intermediate in hardiness between the two parents.

   1-S (Physical Graffiti). First fruited in 1998 with two fruits weighing 1 pound 8 ounces and 1 pound 10 ounces. A very attractive fruit, flesh a dark pink, flavor very good.    

   2-S (Cosmic Charlie). First fruited in 2000 with two fruits weighing 1 pound 4 ounces and 1 pound 8 ounces. Flesh a deep red, and flavor very good to excellent.

    3-S.--‘Delight’ -- First fruited in 1998 with two fruits weighing 1 pound 4 ounces and 1 pound 8 ounces. Flesh color was a delicate pink and the flavor was superb. Other people who have eaten it are equally enthusiastic. I can truthfully say the flavor runs a close second to S. megalanthus fruit I have eaten, although they are two different fruits each with its distinctive flavor. I believe flavor wise it is about as good a fruit as we can expect to get from any plant in the genus Hylocereus. The plant bears well, and is a good grower. Two-year-old cuttings have fruited heavily giving it a good bearing potential.

   4-S. Flowered for the first time in 2000 with one fruit. Attractive dark-pink outside with flesh a pale-pink, the most nearly white flesh of any of the hybrids. Weight was 1 pound, flavor very good. The plant appears to be a somewhat dwarf grower, low and spreading with several upright stems in the center..

   5-S (Purple Haze). First flowering in 1999 with 5 fruits weighing from 1 pound to 1 pound 6 ounces. Outside color pinkish-red with flesh a dark-red or magenta. Flavor good to very-good but no improvement over the parent plants. Spines larger than any of the others making it less user friendly and harder to handle.

   6-S. First fruited in 1998 with two fruits weighing 1 pound and 1 pound 8 ounces. Flesh a dark red, flavor good to very good, fruit very attractive in appearance. A very vigorous grower and one of the hardiest. Severely damaged in the 31 Jan 02 freeze and was removed,

   7-S. First fruited in 1999 with 5 fruits weighing 7 to 8 ounces, a dull orange-red outside with very small scales, flesh a dark red, flavor excellent. Severely damaged in the 31 Jan 02 freeze and was removed.

   8-S. First fruited in 1999 with 6 fruits weighing 12 ounces, a deep red outside with very small scales, flesh a very attractive deep, almost fluorescent magenta, flavor excellent.

   9-S (Dark Star). First fruited in 1999 when it produced one beautiful fruit weighing 1 pound 10 ounces, red flesh the same as the ‘Rixford’ parent. with flavor running a close second to ‘Delight’ (3-S). In 2000 it had 8 fruits weighing 14 ounces to 1 pound 4 ounces each. This, too, I believe, has a commercial potential. The flowers of this plant are unique inasmuch as the stigma lobes have split ends or are     bi-fid.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on November 05, 2013, 05:52:18 PM
Nice.

Any notes on G-2? I got it from Bonita Creek Nursery a few months back and would like to know if it has another common name. Fairly thin stemmed compared to other varieties I've seen.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on November 05, 2013, 07:48:03 PM
All I have written down is Guatamalan #2, Self fertile, fair quality.  It should be red fleshed.  I got cuttings of it from both Paul Thomson and Exotica nursery back in the day.  There is also a G-1, or there use to be.  I have some pictures of the bloom but none of the fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on November 06, 2013, 10:27:32 AM
I should have mentioned that that evaluation isn’t mine and it was probably based on a single or small number of fruits.  I think I only had the G2 bloom once and I don’t recall the fruit or even if it set.  G1 on the other hand fruited for me and is a very good fruit, in fact it’s fruit had the highest brix I saw, so I’d expect G2 to be good quality as well.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicdude on November 06, 2013, 05:07:34 PM
Sven,  if you could only grow one, which one would you recommend, for taste. and productivity. ?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on November 06, 2013, 06:16:55 PM
I should have mentioned that that evaluation isn’t mine and it was probably based on a single or small number of fruits.  I think I only had the G2 bloom once and I don’t recall the fruit or even if it set.  G2 on the other had fruited for me and is a very good fruit, in fact it’s fruit had the highest brix I saw, so I’d expect G1 to be good quality as well.

typo?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on November 07, 2013, 08:51:33 AM

typo?

Yes, several of them  :o ::).  Thank you for pointing it out, I've corrected them.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on November 07, 2013, 10:46:03 AM
Thanks. I was told my G2 it was a good tasting and self-fruitful. That much is consistent at least. Will let you know how it works out in a couple years :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on November 07, 2013, 02:02:39 PM
G2 fruit for me is on the large side and sweet with thin skin. I pollinated mine so it might be smaller if not not manually pollinated. The plant itself is also thin compared to the dozen others grown in the same location. I got mine from SD as well.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on November 08, 2013, 01:54:15 AM

(http://s16.postimg.org/f5ecu7rqp/DSCF5824.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/f5ecu7rqp/)
The common commercial yellow is around here in abundance at the moment
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 08, 2013, 01:58:48 AM

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The common commercial yellow is around here in abundance at the moment
:P :P :P How lucky!!!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on November 08, 2013, 04:22:20 AM
That yellow is just a S.megalanthus but a selection that has good characteristics. My giant self fertile red (1kg+) has many flower buds at the moment. While I have had cuttings of physical graffiti, halleys comet, American beauty and most of the well known American hybrids the ones I have planted are mostly more standard types and others of unknown origin.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 11, 2013, 07:01:22 AM
Purple Haze
(http://s9.postimg.org/51tyk9twr/foto0324.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/51tyk9twr/)
 Arizona Purple
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 American Beauty
(http://s13.postimg.org/axkrqynmb/foto0322.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/axkrqynmb/)
 Physical Graffiti
(http://s17.postimg.org/dog273du3/foto0321.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/dog273du3/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on November 11, 2013, 11:18:19 AM
Luis - the Purple Haze & Physical Graffiti appear to have been planted upside down?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: HMHausman on November 11, 2013, 11:38:27 AM

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The common commercial yellow is around here in abundance at the moment


These dwarf what we have growing here in S. Florida. You say that these are the commercially available yellows.  Where are they grown and by whom? Tough to estimate the weight of these from the picture.  How large do they get? Would love to get my hands on some dragon fruit cuttings for these.  Anyone know where they are obtainable?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 11, 2013, 01:04:10 PM
Luis - the Purple Haze & Physical Graffiti appear to have been planted upside down?
Really? They are cut in the two sides... are you shure? It's my first time to plant DF...  :o
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on November 11, 2013, 01:06:54 PM
Luis - the Purple Haze & Physical Graffiti appear to have been planted upside down?
Looks upside down to me too.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 11, 2013, 01:08:55 PM
Luis - the Purple Haze & Physical Graffiti appear to have been planted upside down?
Looks upside down to me too.
Geezzz then i have to replant them... thak you very much!  :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 11, 2013, 02:09:35 PM
Just replant them... are they ok now?
(http://s12.postimg.org/4suv3nosp/foto0325.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4suv3nosp/)
 
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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tim on November 11, 2013, 02:30:15 PM
Purple Haze is still upside down
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 11, 2013, 02:40:22 PM
Purple Haze is still upside down
And now?
(http://s17.postimg.org/711xejcuj/foto0330.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/711xejcuj/)
 
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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 11, 2013, 02:41:40 PM
I'm very very ashamed...  :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on November 11, 2013, 02:58:17 PM
The purple haze is now planted in the right direction. Also, if you're not sure of any other cuttings, look at the little spine/thorns on the side of the cuttings, they should be pointing upwards and not down.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 11, 2013, 03:02:23 PM
The purple haze is now planted in the right direction. Also, if you're not sure of any other cuttings, look at the little spine/thorns on the side of the cuttings, they should be pointing upwards and not down.
Ho ok, now i get it... sorry!  :-X
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 13, 2013, 08:03:36 AM
Hi everyone! How much time a cutting nead to fruit? There are any tip to make them flower sooner? Thank's!  :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: From the sea on November 13, 2013, 10:31:36 AM
I read it is 10 pounds of plant weight, have no idea how to get them to flower earlier.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on November 13, 2013, 11:32:43 AM
If the plant grows well you should have your first bloom in the 2nd or 3rd year.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on November 13, 2013, 02:37:40 PM
Hi everyone! How much time a cutting nead to fruit? There are any tip to make them flower sooner? Thank's!  :)
Could be 1st, 2nd, even 3rd year. Depends on the maturity of the cuttings taken. If the cuttings, a person is getting is already mature and had fruited previously. Most likely it will fruit again the same year it is planted out. Some advice I got from a Vietnamese DF grower, said to use lots of cow manure mix(1/3 of the mix should be cow manure) in with whatever soil your using to plant the DF cutting in. Let the DF branches hang. So make the stake/trellis not to tall (1.5-2 meters tall is a good height), cut the tip of the branches(once they start hanging over the stake/trellis, that is. And  if too many branches are growing over and hanging, cut 1 out 3 branches off, but only the thinnest and smallest one though. So let the 2 fattest and thickest one continue growing over and hang, but also prune the tips back a little too. One more thing he said too, the more mature the cuttings and longer the cuttings, the faster it will fruit as well. One of my purple haze cutting was mature and had fruited before, I got it, so it even develop a flower bud, but stayed small, dried and fell off. This was also, when it first had rooted too(2 months after it had just rooted)

That is what I remember, what he had told me, when I obtain the cuttings from him. But not sure if, those were the exact advice he'd given, just what I remember atm. Though the cow manure is working, they do grow nice, fast, looks healthy. Also stays very green, even when we had that heat wave back in June of this year in the 110F-115F range. Not any sunburn(very arid/dry summer heat in Central Ca), just stayed nice and green.

BTW Luis,
the ones you got from me is kinda young, so is most likely going to be 2nd-3rd year.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 13, 2013, 02:41:27 PM
Thank you so much Thao!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on November 13, 2013, 02:52:22 PM
Haus, their sweetness rather than their size is notable and they have a lemonade taste.Those yellows are just a selection of Megalanthus and biggest ones are just under 1lb.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: HMHausman on November 13, 2013, 03:18:24 PM
Haus, their sweetness rather than their size is notable and they have a lemonade taste.Those yellows are just a selection of Megalanthus and biggest ones are just under 1lb.

The ones we grow have nice sweetness. However, our's have no acidity.  So, there is no lemonade flavor component. Our's literally have about two teaspoons of edible flesh per half of dragon fruit.  I am not exaggerating.  So, flavor or not, the size is what is impressive to me.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on November 13, 2013, 05:49:20 PM
Hi everyone! How much time a cutting nead to fruit?


I got my first bunch (7 total) of cuttings in Aug 2011, the all looked pretty much like this in February 2012.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/P2270204.jpg)

Got maybe 2-3 blooms that year, nothing set fruit.
In July 2013, my Dark Star looked like this.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/df2_07-16-13_zps2e5064ad.jpg)
A month later in August 2013, Dark Star looked like this.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/DS_08-23-13_zpsedf2415c.jpg)

I got fruit from all 7 this year. So from cuttings in Aug 2011 to fruit harvesting 2 years later in Aug 2013.
And not all had as much growth as the Dark Star, here is my Vietnamese Jaina with flowers from Sept this year.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/VJ_09-13-13_zps322714c1.jpg)
Last fruit harvested for the year (except for my Yellow), Vietnamese Jaina, 1.25 LBs just this weekend (this fruit was from the flower in the previous picture).
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/VJ-3_13-11-12_zps741f90e8.jpg)

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/VJ-1_13-11-12_zps1aa19e9a.jpg)

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicdude on November 13, 2013, 09:00:16 PM
Really nice setup you got there!! nice heavy duty support.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 14, 2013, 12:59:03 PM
Thank you for info and photos! Congratulations!  ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on November 14, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
DM,

What type of wood did you use for your Dragon Fruit support?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on November 14, 2013, 04:52:23 PM
What type of wood did you use for your Dragon Fruit support?

Pressure treated pine.

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on November 14, 2013, 06:01:16 PM
What type of wood did you use for your Dragon Fruit support?

Pressure treated pine.

DM

I was leaning away toward using Pressure treated wood because of the health effects of the chemicals like Arsenic in the CCA pressure treated wood. I have to do more research on the ACQ and CBA wood, from what I gather the latter two are less toxic because they both exclude Arsenic.

I was thinking of using Ipe wood with a tung oil finish. Was hoping the wood would hold up to 5-10 years of wear as a dragon fruit trellis.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on November 14, 2013, 08:30:28 PM
You can still get arsenic treated wood, I thought they did away with CCA for the most part?
The tags from the PT pine I have say they were treated CA-C (4x4 post) or MCA (2x4). And for both those the "A" stands for Azole not arsenic.

I'm not taking a stand either for or against using PT treated wood. There are plenty of options out there for everybody to make their choice.

What ever you choose tho, we want to see pictures when your trellis are built.

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on November 14, 2013, 08:34:20 PM
Dangermouse01, thanks for the pics showing your dragon fruit pole setup.

I also have Dragon Fruit up a pressure treated pole. I've noticed that the 'roots' of the dragon fruit hate the chemicals on the pole. I suppose this is why you wrapped your pole with those thread-sacks, very ingenious. I'm cosidering doing the same thing.

Also, thanks to your photos, I'm getting the idea of 'crowning' the top of the pole with the same wood structure that you're using. It looks very aesthetic, very nice.

Finally, I noticed that at the bottom of the pole, between the pole itself and the wood board planks that keep the worms out, I see in the photos something with a black coloration. If you don't mind and shine some light on what that is, I'd appreciate if you'd let us know what that is and its purpose, thanks again for all the wonderful photos.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on November 15, 2013, 08:00:42 AM
Dangermouse01, thanks for the pics showing your dragon fruit pole setup.

I also have Dragon Fruit up a pressure treated pole. I've noticed that the 'roots' of the dragon fruit hate the chemicals on the pole. I suppose this is why you wrapped your pole with those thread-sacks, very ingenious. I'm cosidering doing the same thing.

Also, thanks to your photos, I'm getting the idea of 'crowning' the top of the pole with the same wood structure that you're using. It looks very aesthetic, very nice.

Finally, I noticed that at the bottom of the pole, between the pole itself and the wood board planks that keep the worms out, I see in the photos something with a black coloration. If you don't mind and shine some light on what that is, I'd appreciate if you'd let us know what that is and its purpose, thanks again for all the wonderful photos.

I have not noticed any of my DF not wanting to attach roots to the PT wood, except maybe the yellow, which doesn't seem to send out as many aerial roots as the others. The others all have varying amounts of roots attaching.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/Roots4_11-15-2013_zpsb02e324f.jpg)

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/Roots3_11-15-2013_zps750387af.jpg)

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/Roots5_11-15-2013_zpsc8344bd9.jpg)

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/Roots2_11-15-2013_zps422a515e.jpg)

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/Roots1_11-15-2013_zps876d9d73.jpg)

The burlap wrapped around the post provides both a structure for the roots to grab on to, and retains moisture when spraying the DFs with liquid nutritional sprays.

Top of my trellis is loosely based on how I saw them done at the Fruit & Spice park.

Frames around the base of my posts were to re-direct my dogs running path and also was a planting bed for butterfly plants and stuff.

Something with black coloration? If it is in the picture of the held fruit, all that stuff is chopped up banana tree stalks rotting away. Is that the picture you saw it in?

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 15, 2013, 04:24:24 PM
Growing Dragon Fruit - Time Lapse from bud to fruit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW2yS7uQ1zw#)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on November 15, 2013, 06:33:17 PM

(http://s9.postimg.org/us43sdlnv/DSCF5827.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/us43sdlnv/)

(http://s22.postimg.org/c6mz6v3jh/DSCF5826.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/c6mz6v3jh/)

My Columbian Red has some flowers. A few years ago a giant fruiting (routinely over 1kg) self fertile red with fruit of great flavour of unknown origin was found in a Brisbane backyard.It was dubbed something suitably exotic.....Columbian red and now is the most sought after backyard dragonfruit in Queensland.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on November 15, 2013, 11:30:45 PM
That is some great root attachment to the pressure treated wood.

That is a very ingenious use of burlap attached to the pole. I definitely have to give that technique a try. I think it'll help pick upt the pace of my DF growth.

I definitely have to pass by Fruit & Spice Park to check out how they did the top of their trellis. I must have missed it when I've passed by.

Chopped up banana tree stalks! Great idea, I'm planning on doing the same thing and see how things work out with time. Thanks for clarifying this mystery in one of your pictures.

I'll do just about anything to speed up the production of fruit. Based on what I've learned from your posting(s) the pace of growth of my DF should increase substantially, many thanks.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 22, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
Hi everyone! I just try for the first time a dragonfruit! I buy it as a red vietnamese pitaya (but was white inside). It was very expensive (21,99E/Kg) with a weight of 352g. I like it! Not a great flavour but very fresh and mildly sweet... Just hope to try the really red ones!  ::)
(http://s17.postimg.org/90uw1h9pn/foto0333.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/90uw1h9pn/)
 
(http://s22.postimg.org/teuafuvjx/foto0334.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/teuafuvjx/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 23, 2013, 01:00:05 PM
After i heat my first dragonfruit i let the outer shell dry for one day and made an excelente tea! I love it, with a nice pink colour and a mild flavour of cactus that we can join other tea or spices...  :P
(http://s11.postimg.org/4u12yh20v/foto0335.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4u12yh20v/)
 
(http://s18.postimg.org/8v0j7v1z9/foto0336.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8v0j7v1z9/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on November 23, 2013, 01:30:51 PM
Luis,

That's a nice looking store bought one, but if it were home grown, might have been a lot sweeter. The 4 varieties, I sent you are all red/magenta flesh kind and should be a lot better than that white one you got. How are they doing so far, any little roots  forming yet?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 23, 2013, 01:55:58 PM
Luis,

That's a nice looking store bought one, but if it were home grown, might have been a lot sweeter. The 4 varieties, I sent you are all red/magenta flesh kind and should be a lot better than that white one you got. How are they doing so far, any little roots  forming yet?
Yes, i imagine that home grown dragonfruits are much better... well cuttings are very well but no new growings yet... i will update if they grow!  ;) Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on November 23, 2013, 02:56:40 PM
I went outside to check my dragon fruit trellis and train/ tie up some new growth and found these babies growing underneath!!!
I have been tossing the decaying flowers and the small fruits that aborted after not developing into the pot so maybe could it be possible that after they rotted the seeds germinated?? Just amazing to me. This trellis is now approaching 2 years old on Dec 31st and it's doing great. I got 2 dozen fruit off it this fall and they were all well over a pound with the highest brix reading at 18.6 (you have to click on pictures of the babies to open it then click on it again to get it to open to full screen...they are tiny!)
(http://s18.postimg.org/l22h7gon9/20131123_141212.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/l22h7gon9/)
(http://s21.postimg.org/hnm33i88j/20131123_132913_2560x1440.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/hnm33i88j/)
(http://s18.postimg.org/vv9zfz5xh/20131123_133004_2560x1440.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/vv9zfz5xh/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 23, 2013, 03:08:57 PM
WOW very interesting... maby this aborted fruits have some seeds allready.  ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: msk0072 on November 24, 2013, 04:27:32 AM
Hi everyone! I just try for the first time a dragonfruit! I buy it as a red vietnamese pitaya (but was white inside). It was very expensive (21,99E/Kg) with a weight of 352g. I like it! Not a great flavour but very fresh and mildly sweet... Just hope to try the really red ones!  ::)
([url]http://s17.postimg.org/90uw1h9pn/foto0333.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/90uw1h9pn/[/url])
 
([url]http://s22.postimg.org/teuafuvjx/foto0334.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/teuafuvjx/[/url])

Luis, the price is huge! I bought one whiteflessed DF last week in the local SM for 7,50€/kg and I thought the price was very high.  It was a big one 600-700g and imported from Cyprus! I didn't know that in Cyprus they produce DF in a commercial scale
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 24, 2013, 09:26:12 AM
Yes Mike the price is really too much! And it's the only place i see selling dragonfruit... i payed 7,50euros for this fruit. That's why i will try to produce it, first for myself and then to sell it 5 euros max. But evem feijoa or mangosteen they sell for more than 20 euros/Kg.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 29, 2013, 11:33:43 AM
My new cutts that Sven gently send me!!!  ;D Neon
(http://s18.postimg.org/h4z8k6xnp/foto0340.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/h4z8k6xnp/)
 Frankies red
(http://s21.postimg.org/gsou582qr/foto0341.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/gsou582qr/)
 Halley's Comet
(http://s27.postimg.org/47aan2otr/foto0337.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/47aan2otr/)
 Zamorano
(http://s16.postimg.org/xjxphiglt/foto0338.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/xjxphiglt/)
 Phisical Graffiti
(http://s22.postimg.org/t1cmaaa8t/foto0339.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/t1cmaaa8t/)
 G1
(http://s9.postimg.org/524nwfz8r/foto0342.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/524nwfz8r/)
 Nicuragua
(http://s30.postimg.org/ty9kibarx/foto0343.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ty9kibarx/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on November 29, 2013, 04:30:38 PM
Luis,

Nice addition to your growing DF collection. Soon you can start selling the fresh fruits back to the market and the cuttings to nurseries, making your $$$ back 10x ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 30, 2013, 04:40:13 AM
Luis,

Nice addition to your growing DF collection. Soon you can start selling the fresh fruits back to the market and the cuttings to nurseries, making your $$$ back 10x ;)
Thao my friend, this is one of my intentions, to sell dragonfruit on faire/small price to small fruit sellers... very few people know this fruit here because it's very expensive, and it's so good to health...  :) what do you think?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on November 30, 2013, 12:30:59 PM
Luis,

Agree, sell to small fruit vendors, is better than those big chain stores. You'll make more that way, if sold to the big store, they would want whole sale price, then you don't get your money's worth. And when they start selling your fruits, they will charge like that price you had bough that one fruit above. So, thy'll make more than you, unless, you have an abundance of plant's producing, then maybe whole sale would be an option, but for now, going small fruit vendor is a good idea.

Yes, they also have healthy benefits as well, i'm just not aware of which ones exactly. Haven't done much research of their health benefits, but every time, have looked up on DF. They mention some of the benefits.

Good luck and would love a report, once your plants gets going. :D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 30, 2013, 01:46:18 PM
The best dragon fruit photo album i know! http://www.flickr.com/photos/adalmoro/sets/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adalmoro/sets/)  ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 30, 2013, 02:36:17 PM
For first time i see this yellow dragon in a store. Very expensive as usual (17 euros/Kg) this time from Colombia, but the flavour just turn me on!!!  :P :P :P 
(http://s7.postimg.org/dzb0cywpj/foto0344.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/dzb0cywpj/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: BMc on November 30, 2013, 06:12:20 PM
17E kg? Get those suckers in some horse poop pronto!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on November 30, 2013, 11:43:32 PM
I'm very very ashamed...  :-[ :-[ :-[

Don't be ashamed....  I got my first Dragon Fruit cutting from a cactus vendor at a "flea market". 
He sold me a big cutting he said had white fruit and explained how to plant (root) the cutting.
6 months later I figured out that he had told me the wrong end to place in the potting soil!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 01, 2013, 12:14:02 AM
I went outside to check my dragon fruit trellis and train/ tie up some new growth and found these babies growing underneath!!!
I have been tossing the decaying flowers and the small fruits that aborted after not developing into the pot so maybe could it be possible that after they rotted the seeds germinated?? Just amazing to me. This trellis is now approaching 2 years old on Dec 31st and it's doing great. I got 2 dozen fruit off it this fall and they were all well over a pound with the highest brix reading at 18.6 (you have to click on pictures of the babies to open it then click on it again to get it to open to full screen...they are tiny!)
([url]http://s18.postimg.org/l22h7gon9/20131123_141212.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/l22h7gon9/[/url])


Do you have an idea how long you expect the post on your trellis to last?

I have had to replace some 4 x 4 fence posts after only 8 years.

I decided to make my own concrete posts.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/post_3880_zps24e27c05.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on December 01, 2013, 07:48:14 AM
Thank you for tips!  ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on December 01, 2013, 09:19:15 AM
Pytaia pitaya pitaia 001 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7s7QJFHFbw#)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on December 01, 2013, 09:44:08 AM
Polinização de pitaya. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCwtDMVgiLs#)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: adalmoro on December 01, 2013, 01:51:14 PM
Hello to all,

I'm a new member (indicated by Luis Port from Portugal) ...

I hope to learn and share information about pitayas / dragon fruits.

I am a collector of this fruit and hope to find people interested in exchanging quality plants.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on December 01, 2013, 03:13:40 PM
Hello to all,

I'm a new member (indicated by Luis Port from Portugal) ...

I hope to learn and share information about pitayas / dragon fruits.

I am a collector of this fruit and hope to find people interested in exchanging quality plants.
It's great to see you here! You will love this fórum!  ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 01, 2013, 07:24:23 PM
One of the better videos on Dragon Fruit from mattslandscape.com

A 2010 video tour of the UCCE Irvine,Ca. Pitahaya test reseach fields.

pitahaya reseach field tour part 1 la woman.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQs7l5F5Klk#)

There is no part 2.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 01, 2013, 07:45:54 PM
Another "great" video ;)  (I am joking) on 2012 Pitahaya/Dragon Fruit Festival fruit tasting and cutting exchange.
This one is by by ricshaw.  ::) 

http://youtu.be/nuoXmGaVaeI (http://youtu.be/nuoXmGaVaeI)

Dragon Fruit Festival participants are lucky to get to taste so many different varieties and take home free cuttings!

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on December 01, 2013, 11:51:58 PM
What a great idea, I wish they had Dragon Fruit tastings around here in S. Florida, USA. In this way, anyone could decide which is the best quality, best tasting, sweetest fruit to grow.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 02, 2013, 12:56:50 AM
What a great idea, I wish they had Dragon Fruit tastings around here in S. Florida, USA. In this way, anyone could decide which is the best quality, best tasting, sweetest fruit to grow.

Yes, taste is subjective.  What taste good to me, might not be your favorite. Also the sweetest Dragon Fruit might not taste the best.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on December 03, 2013, 12:48:42 PM
Peruvian Apple Cactus Fruit aka Columnar Cactus Fruit aka Pitya (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfFla78jr6c#)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nch on December 10, 2013, 02:54:57 AM
Do DF plants need to be replanted every so often, because they are too old to fruit?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on December 10, 2013, 08:15:43 AM
Hi nch,

I’ve never heard of them needing replanting.  I know of several plants that have been quite old that still flowered and fruited well.  As long as they are well watered and fertilized they usually produce copious amounts of new growth and flowers

George Emerich in Fallbrook had a plant that was about 20 feet tall and maybe 25 feet across that flowered and fruited well every year.  He had 250 fruit on it one year just from the flowers he could reach from the ground. 

Sven

Here is a picture of George I found on the internet standing next to his plant

(http://s22.postimg.org/mdnd9u231/Geo_Emerich.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mdnd9u231/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on December 10, 2013, 08:22:36 AM
I'm very very ashamed...  :-[ :-[ :-[

Don't be ashamed....  I got my first Dragon Fruit cutting from a cactus vendor at a "flea market". 
He sold me a big cutting he said had white fruit and explained how to plant (root) the cutting.
6 months later I figured out that he had told me the wrong end to place in the potting soil!

Many of us have done this.  I've had upside-down cuttings actually send roots out the bottom (which is up in the air) and they will start growing down towards the soil.  When I take cuttings I always try to label them at the bottom of the cutting with a sharpie so I know which end is up.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nch on December 10, 2013, 12:14:11 PM
Thank you, Sven. It's comforting to know
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 10, 2013, 04:32:58 PM
Recently found this video which includes Dragon Fruit grower Texas Exotic Fruits.

http://youtu.be/mHxsPfdVdqM (http://youtu.be/mHxsPfdVdqM)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mucbean on December 11, 2013, 06:38:11 PM
I'm want to make a set-up like MarinFla has in the pictures. This is the first time planting dragon fruit for me. Does it matter if I mix the type of dragon fruit on each post. I was going to put Halleys Comet and Vietnamese Jaina on the same post.

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on December 11, 2013, 09:55:27 PM
Has anyone ever used galvanized fence post to build a trellis to grow dragon fruits? I take it that they'll provide sturdier support and it would last much linger but I think they might get too hot during the summer. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on December 12, 2013, 01:02:54 AM
The work great for my muscadine grapes, but I think you're right, they would be too hot for Dragon Fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: maui guy on December 12, 2013, 01:51:10 AM
I have used T bar fence posts  but is too soon to see how long they will last. I attach a cross member @ ~ 5' so as to have a way to drape the shoots over.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nch on December 12, 2013, 09:07:21 AM
I have seen people wrap their posts with burlap.
On another note, we have squirrels in our neighborhood. They eat my guavas, and my neighbors' avocados, apples, persimmons..., but they never touched my dragon fruits. This  is the first fruiting year, so I don't know if it's due to them not having discovered the fruits yet. Do they bother your DF?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on December 12, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
I'm want to make a set-up like MarinFla has in the pictures. This is the first time planting dragon fruit for me. Does it matter if I mix the type of dragon fruit on each post. I was going to put Halleys Comet and Vietnamese Jaina on the same post.

Thanks,

Mike
Mike,
It's okay to mix up the plant into one pot for growing. Look again at MarinFL's post, she does say she has 2 or 3 variety in that one pot. But, if you have the space, then go ahead and do two separate pots, but if trying to save or having limited space, both in the same pot is fine.
Title: maui dragon fruit
Post by: BRUGSCA on December 12, 2013, 04:30:00 PM
I have a wooden 4 x 4 post in concrete in the ground w burlap. They are only (cuttings from Pine Island Nursery) about 3ft tall planted in summer, and others are cuttings of yellow, physical graffiti, and american beauty.

Question:

I have a farm at 886ft on Maui, not too hot usually max summer around 83-5f and winters around 58-62f at coolest. Do you think fruit production will occur in this area that isnt real hot?

Carlo
Giggle Hills Organic Farms, LLC
Maui
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mucbean on December 12, 2013, 09:13:19 PM
Ok, thanks Thao.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: marklee on December 12, 2013, 11:32:38 PM
Has anyone ever used galvanized fence post to build a trellis to grow dragon fruits? I take it that they'll provide sturdier support and it would last much linger but I think they might get too hot during the summer.
They do fine, but I'd use the thick conduit pipes, they are cheaper and work just as well. Or use one fence post and drill 4 holes and put rebar through making a cross, and then plant a plant on either side.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on December 12, 2013, 11:40:12 PM
I'm want to make a set-up like MarinFla has in the pictures. This is the first time planting dragon fruit for me. Does it matter if I mix the type of dragon fruit on each post. I was going to put Halleys Comet and Vietnamese Jaina on the same post.

Thanks,

Mike
I have Physical Graffiti and Haley's Comet both in mine. You can do as many as you like as long as you are OK with not being sure what variety your harvesting if you can't follow which branch it's growing on back to the originating plant. I can usually follow it  back for ID
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: maui guy on December 13, 2013, 12:21:18 AM
To nch    count your blessing ; rats discovered mine this year!

to brugsca;; not a problem they will do fine [ note above // watch the rats]
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Doglips on December 13, 2013, 04:36:13 PM
I have Physical Graffiti and Haley's Comet both in mine. You can do as many as you like as long as you are OK with not being sure what variety your harvesting if you can't follow which branch it's growing on back to the originating plant. I can usually follow it  back for ID

How's permanent marker do on DF, for ID (Plant not the fruit)?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on December 13, 2013, 05:02:03 PM
I have Physical Graffiti and Haley's Comet both in mine. You can do as many as you like as long as you are OK with not being sure what variety your harvesting if you can't follow which branch it's growing on back to the originating plant. I can usually follow it  back for ID

How's permanent marker do on DF, for ID (Plant not the fruit)?
It's fine, but eventually fades out over time. Maybe a metal/aluminum tag, that is commonly used for tagging plants, be hang around the main plant?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nch on December 13, 2013, 05:41:56 PM
Maui guy, do you have any ways to protect your fruits? BTW, from what I have read on this forum, Hawaii doesn't have squirrels, right?
Title: Re: maui dragon fruit
Post by: Sven on December 14, 2013, 06:57:12 AM
Question:

I have a farm at 886ft on Maui, not too hot usually max summer around 83-5f and winters around 58-62f at coolest. Do you think fruit production will occur in this area that isnt real hot?

Carlo,

They should produce fine in 85 f summers.  They do fine here in California in many areas that don't even get that hot. 

Sven
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: maui guy on December 14, 2013, 11:28:09 AM
We dont have the 4 legged kine. We got worse; mongoose. Mongoose will even climb bananas, just like a rat. I did not believe that till I saw it myself.
Re protection; nature provides it with the spines on the fruit of Selenicereus megalanthus & its hybrids.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Radoslav on December 15, 2013, 04:26:53 AM
Yesterday, I ate the red fleshed pitahaya for the first time, I got the fruit from Indonesia, but I have to say, that it was the same experience like with the white fleshed one, both taste to me more like vegetable than fruit, something like radish, really  not worth to grow as a fruit. But may be it is because of me, who grow up in Middle Europe,  eating  tens of different varieties of plum, apple, apricot, peaches, pear  etc.  :D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on December 15, 2013, 04:47:16 AM
Yesterday, I ate the red fleshed pitahaya for the first time, I got the fruit from Indonesia, but I have to say, that it was the same experience like with the white fleshed one, both taste to me more like vegetable than fruit, something like radish, really  not worth to grow as a fruit. But may be it is because of me, who grow up in Middle Europe,  eating  tens of different varieties of plum, apple, apricot, peaches, pear  etc.  :D
Hi! Do you try the yellow one? It's very very good, at least to me. It's worth to have it at least by all great health beneficts!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on December 15, 2013, 04:50:08 AM
Yesterday, I ate the red fleshed pitahaya for the first time, I got the fruit from Indonesia, but I have to say, that it was the same experience like with the white fleshed one, both taste to me more like vegetable than fruit, something like radish, really  not worth to grow as a fruit. But may be it is because of me, who grow up in Middle Europe,  eating  tens of different varieties of plum, apple, apricot, peaches, pear  etc.  :D

Sounds like you have had horrible watered out fruits, sorry for the bad experience (hope it does not prevent you from seeking out a good dragon fruit).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Radoslav on December 15, 2013, 07:13:58 AM
My table, yesterday
Dragon fruit - more like vegetable than fruit to me
Snake fruit - like to eat unripe banana or what
Mangosteen - realy good

(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/707/m7wg.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/m7wg.jpg/)

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on December 15, 2013, 08:30:29 AM
Yesterday, I ate the red fleshed pitahaya for the first time, I got the fruit from Indonesia, but I have to say, that it was the same experience like with the white fleshed one, both taste to me more like vegetable than fruit, something like radish, really  not worth to grow as a fruit. But may be it is because of me, who grow up in Middle Europe,  eating  tens of different varieties of plum, apple, apricot, peaches, pear  etc.  :D

That’s the problem with a lot of store bought fruit.  If you pick them when they look the best they don’t have enough sugar to taste good, but if you let them get sweet enough they don’t look good enough to sell.  Commercially there is a need for varieties that sweeten up while they still look good.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 15, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
Yesterday, I ate the red fleshed pitahaya for the first time, I got the fruit from Indonesia, but I have to say, that it was the same experience like with the white fleshed one, both taste to me more like vegetable than fruit, something like radish, really  not worth to grow as a fruit. But may be it is because of me, who grow up in Middle Europe,  eating  tens of different varieties of plum, apple, apricot, peaches, pear  etc.  :D


That can happen with any fruit.  The taste of a tomato picked too early for shipping and storage may not taste as good as a vine ripened tomato.

I have never tasted a pitahaya that IMO tasted bad.  Most of the pitahaya I have tasted remind me of Kiwi and watermelon like. Never like a radish.

When I was vacationing in Vietnam, I purchased a red fleshed Dragon Fruit at the central market. In this case, the red fleshed fruit I bought did not taste as good as the popular Vietnamese white fleshed Dragon Fruit served every morning at every hotel I stayed at.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/hcmc_0057_zpsc53ddc00.jpg)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/hcmc_3351_zpsceb1301a.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 15, 2013, 11:45:21 PM
How's permanent marker do on DF, for ID (Plant not the fruit)?


I use a black medium Sharpie pen to mark cuttings.

(http://www.theofficedealer.com/mm5/graphics/product_images/300/1013028939.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on December 16, 2013, 12:14:44 AM
I just use a razor blade to cut into the leafy stems of my dragonfruit plants to label them. They scar up really good and it will not fade, not sure about long term how long the scars will last but definitely longer than a pen or marker.
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mucbean on December 16, 2013, 08:09:28 PM
I have an area about 6' from a small canal.  I was thinking of planting several dragon fruit along the canal. Is it a good idea to plant dragon fruit that close to water or would I be better off planting it somewhere else.

Thanks,
Mike
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 16, 2013, 08:47:26 PM
I have an area about 6' from a small canal.  I was thinking of planting several dragon fruit along the canal. Is it a good idea to plant dragon fruit that close to water or would I be better off planting it somewhere else.

Thanks,
Mike

Is the soil always damp.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on December 17, 2013, 12:00:15 AM
They love water.  They are a cactus, but keep in mind they are an under-story plant from a rainforest environment.  They can survive long periods of drought but they do best with daily watering in most sub-tropical areas.  Also they have a very shallow fibrous roots system, so unless it is constantly muddy along the canal I’d expect them to do fine.  Over watering can cause the green part of the stem to rot but the core survives and I have never seen it kill a plant here in California.  If you have poor draining soil you may want to watch the watering more closely, but in well drained soil they enjoy frequent waterings.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 17, 2013, 12:16:14 AM
They love water.  They are a cactus, but keep in mind they are an under-story plant from a rainforest environment.  They can survive long periods of drought but they do best with daily watering in most sub-tropical areas.  Also they have a very shallow fibrous roots system, so unless it is constantly muddy along the canal I’d expect them to do fine.  Over watering can cause the green part of the stem to rot but the core survives and I have never seen it kill a plant here in California.  If you have poor draining soil you may want to watch the watering more closely, but in well drained soil they enjoy frequent waterings.

What about using pots?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on December 17, 2013, 12:21:05 AM
I water my potted DF every day in the summer.  We don't get any summer rains here.  Winter time maybe twice a week if it hasn't rained.  They respond well to a lot of fertilizer too.

They like way more water than most people realize. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 17, 2013, 01:19:06 AM
What about using pots?

What I meant was, another option for planting Dragon Fruit next to the canal is to grow them in pots.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: mwaterman07 on December 17, 2013, 02:13:16 AM
Phoenix Red, Voodoo Child, Giant Viet
(http://s16.postimg.org/sxnwkl24x/IMAG0151.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/sxnwkl24x/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on December 17, 2013, 06:57:18 AM
What about using pots?

What I meant was, another option for planting Dragon Fruit next to the canal is to grow them in pots.

I see, sorry.  A raised bed would work too if it is too wet.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Sven on December 17, 2013, 07:00:51 AM
Phoenix Red, Voodoo Child, Giant Viet
([url]http://s16.postimg.org/sxnwkl24x/IMAG0151.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/sxnwkl24x/[/url])


I like the totem pole!  Is that to scare away the fruit eating varmints?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: mwaterman07 on December 17, 2013, 03:12:31 PM
Haha thanks, hopefully it'll help with varmints. I just had a random moment of creativity. It's was a support from a pallet leftover after making raised beds, and had some paint leftover from my daughter's chair that I painted.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NaturalGreenthumb on December 17, 2013, 03:33:31 PM
Phoenix Red, Voodoo Child, Giant Viet
([url]http://s16.postimg.org/sxnwkl24x/IMAG0151.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/sxnwkl24x/[/url])


Hahahah....lol....that's funny
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MangoFang on December 17, 2013, 04:03:19 PM
Waterman - that really is quite clever!!!!!

Gary
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 18, 2013, 07:37:14 PM
Phoenix Red, Voodoo Child, Giant Viet
([url]http://s16.postimg.org/sxnwkl24x/IMAG0151.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/sxnwkl24x/[/url])


What is the plan when the three Dragon Fruit get bigger?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling on December 18, 2013, 09:58:27 PM


With dragonfruit it is best not to think of them as a cactus at all, but rather a rainforest plant which particularly dislikes wet feet. Plant in fast draining mounds with good moisture retention, and cover this with a very, very thick layer of uncomposted leaf litter and manure, if you can get it. Water all the time, keep the soil moisture at a good level, and keep adding the leaf litter. This should also be watered to help it break down.

If you have an old aluminum ladder, you can make the best type of trellis. Basically just run this between two massive posts (along the top) and that way you can get a lot more plant before pruning, which means more fruit and more cuttings in the long run. I may still do this if I can find a crappy old ladder whuch has a decent length, somewhere--but I'm not paying for one.

Don't plant them out anywhere they will get baked most of the day. The worst thing you can do is treat them like an opuntia, Totally different, with totally different sun exposure tolerances.

If you want to make them super healthy, give them a drink of mineral water.

The new trellises I am building will all have abandoned motorbike Tyre rims fixed to the top, which will help to spread out the growth and will help with weight distribution. That;s if I can't get a ladder. Remember the plant itself gets incredibly heavy in later years, so you want a very strong post that is very firmly secured in the ground. Struts are recommended also. Otherwise, it WILL fall over, and you probably won't be able to get it back up again without  using something like a block and tackle.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on December 20, 2013, 12:14:10 AM

(http://s27.postimg.org/5n7fi4n7j/DSCF5910.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5n7fi4n7j/)
My Colombian red is doing pretty well for a year old.I presume it sets fruit better than most as it is self fertile.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling on December 20, 2013, 12:54:09 AM

([url]http://s27.postimg.org/5n7fi4n7j/DSCF5910.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/5n7fi4n7j/[/url])
My Colombian red is doing pretty well for a year old.I presume it sets fruit better than most as it is self fertile.


A year is rocket fast for a plant that size Mike, especially considering it is fruiting already. I don't think they'd be that quick in Bris, though they are created different that's for sure. I have two which have been sitting there for months and months now and haven't done anything, while others send up new shoots pretty much a few days after being stuck in soil as cuttings. I've noticed that if a cutting has an epiphyte it tends to take longer to send a new shoot. I have read that younger cuttings grow more quickly. The yellows always grow the fastest for me, with the reds being the slowest.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on December 25, 2013, 09:45:39 PM

(http://s29.postimg.org/86obgr6k3/DSCF5918.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/86obgr6k3/)

(http://s28.postimg.org/mfjcl2vop/DSCF5919.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mfjcl2vop/)
Every flower on the Colombian red sets fruit and I have been tanking up lately.They have a good taste being sweet with a bit of berry and kiwi going on.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: HMHausman on December 26, 2013, 08:19:32 AM

([url]http://s29.postimg.org/86obgr6k3/DSCF5918.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/86obgr6k3/[/url])

([url]http://s28.postimg.org/mfjcl2vop/DSCF5919.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/mfjcl2vop/[/url])
Every flower on the Colombian red sets fruit and I have been tanking up lately.They have a good taste being sweet with a bit of berry and kiwi going on.


Nice looking fruit.  Not sure if you mentioned this somewhere.  You're saying this is self fruitful without hand pollination and without another variety close by for cross pollination, right?  And each flower sets a fruit, right?  Do you know more about the history of this variety?  Also the sourcing?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on December 26, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
Haus I showed flowers and discussed it in this thread on Nov 15 reply 318.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on December 26, 2013, 09:44:47 PM
Dangermouse01, thanks for the pics showing your dragon fruit pole setup.

I also have Dragon Fruit up a pressure treated pole. I've noticed that the 'roots' of the dragon fruit hate the chemicals on the pole. I suppose this is why you wrapped your pole with those thread-sacks, very ingenious. I'm cosidering doing the same thing.

Also, thanks to your photos, I'm getting the idea of 'crowning' the top of the pole with the same wood structure that you're using. It looks very aesthetic, very nice.

Finally, I noticed that at the bottom of the pole, between the pole itself and the wood board planks that keep the worms out, I see in the photos something with a black coloration. If you don't mind and shine some light on what that is, I'd appreciate if you'd let us know what that is and its purpose, thanks again for all the wonderful photos.
I have not noticed any of my DF not wanting to attach roots to the PT wood, except maybe the yellow, which doesn't seem to send out as many aerial roots as the others. The others all have varying amounts of roots attaching.

The burlap wrapped around the post provides both a structure for the roots to grab on to, and retains moisture when spraying the DFs with liquid nutritional sprays.

Top of my trellis is loosely based on how I saw them done at the Fruit & Spice park.

Frames around the base of my posts were to re-direct my dogs running path and also was a planting bed for butterfly plants and stuff.

Something with black coloration? If it is in the picture of the held fruit, all that stuff is chopped up banana tree stalks rotting away. Is that the picture you saw it in?

DM

Dangermouse01, I added chopped up banana tree stalks around the base of the dragon fruit pole, and I'm letting them rot away, just as you have. I'm writing to you again to give you an update and to say thanks. Now, I don't know if this is a direct consequence of trying out your method, but the results have been great. The dragon fruit is creeping up that pole really quick. Since my last post to you, it's gone up the pole by a length of 1.5 feet, that's one and a half foot! At that pase, it'll reach the top of the pole sometime next year. Since nothing else has changed, other than a change to cooler weather, I can't help but to think that adding the banana stalks have had something to do with the turn for the better. One thing is for sure, copying your setup sure has not hurt, so thanks again for the inspiration.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on December 28, 2013, 10:03:28 AM
Pitaia do Cerrado (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUFXTNu3T_M#ws)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: micah on December 28, 2013, 12:17:14 PM
Yum nice video.  Is that one a selenecereus or hylocereus?   Looks like yellow selenecereus's thorns on the fruit. 

I plant the yellow pitahiya on trees...make sure u can harvest em though...extended pole saw works good i cut off chunks of cactus to harvest fruit(this kinda thins it so it doesn't  engulf the desirable tree..the bummer part is if u don't harvest fruit...thorns from ripe fruits fall off onto ground.
 on an older orange tree works good...monkey pod tree a low spreading one(pole saw harvest) we can climb. Topped Java plum trees. Gliricidia trees.
The happiest one is on a cut ornamental palm stump.  6ft stump...it's the Yellow Uku (head lice) Dreadlock Tiki. Carve a face and its on.  Nowadays his dreads are natty...lots of Uku's(fruit).  Eventually the palm trunk will rot and fall...it's been 6-7 yrs..maybe a few more to go.

 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: maui guy on December 28, 2013, 04:31:17 PM
There has been discussion of  DF & water . I had some extra cuttings of Selenicereus Megalanthus that I tossed aside about 6 month ago into a non draining pan. They have not received any fertilizer just neglect . From time to time I would dump out the water.   I can't post the pic!! but it shows plants w/roots growing ok under drowning conditions. Must remember that we never get to the low 60's; are very humid: & plants under ~ 50% shade. From what I can tell these could be grown hydroponically. Below is what I get on posting the pic // perhaps it will come out? 

(http://s30.postimg.org/sy1fy9frx/Selenicereus_Megalanthus_in_water_001.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/sy1fy9frx/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: adalmoro on January 01, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
Pitaia do Cerrado ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUFXTNu3T_M#ws[/url])

(http://s24.postimg.org/qnujkvcf5/Setaceus_Fruto_com_descri_o.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qnujkvcf5/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on January 01, 2014, 08:21:04 PM
Pitaia do Cerrado ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUFXTNu3T_M#ws[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.org/qnujkvcf5/Setaceus_Fruto_com_descri_o.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/qnujkvcf5/[/url])

Is this Selenicereus setaceus species self fertile and productive? I was planing to get a rooted cutting maybe soon.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: adalmoro on January 03, 2014, 10:35:40 AM
Pitaia do Cerrado ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUFXTNu3T_M#ws[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.org/qnujkvcf5/Setaceus_Fruto_com_descri_o.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/qnujkvcf5/[/url])

Is this Selenicereus setaceus species self fertile and productive? I was planing to get a rooted cutting maybe soon.

Yes, it is (self fertile and productive)... The fruit is small, but very sweet.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on January 03, 2014, 10:53:16 AM
Pitaia do Cerrado ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUFXTNu3T_M#ws[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.org/qnujkvcf5/Setaceus_Fruto_com_descri_o.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/qnujkvcf5/[/url])

Is this Selenicereus setaceus species self fertile and productive? I was planing to get a rooted cutting maybe soon.

Yes, it is (self fertile and productive)... The fruit is small, but very sweet.
I Aldomoro, congratulations! It's beautifull!  ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on January 03, 2014, 12:37:14 PM
Pitaia do Cerrado ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUFXTNu3T_M#ws[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.org/qnujkvcf5/Setaceus_Fruto_com_descri_o.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/qnujkvcf5/[/url])

Is this Selenicereus setaceus species self fertile and productive? I was planing to get a rooted cutting maybe soon.

Yes, it is (self fertile and productive)... The fruit is small, but very sweet.
Thanks, just the info, I was looking for, but one more question.
 Is it better to grow it in a hangin pot or like regular dragon fruit/pitaya on a trellis/stake?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on January 08, 2014, 04:07:51 PM
Just get a new one, a Bloody Mary dragon! I have 12 diferent var already!  ;D Tomorrow will post pic.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on January 08, 2014, 05:27:42 PM
Nice, any root development yet, that you have notice on the ones, I sent to your earlier?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on January 08, 2014, 05:29:52 PM
Nice, any root development yet, that you have notice on the ones, I sent to your earlier?
Hi my friend, they look nice, but no growing yet...  ???
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on January 08, 2014, 05:38:13 PM
It takes them a while, but if it were the summer months, it would be pretty quick, from my experiences.

..........Well, as long as they aren't dry and dead, they should be still be good to go  :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on January 08, 2014, 11:35:52 PM
Pitaia do Cerrado ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUFXTNu3T_M#ws[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.org/qnujkvcf5/Setaceus_Fruto_com_descri_o.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/qnujkvcf5/[/url])

Is this Selenicereus setaceus species self fertile and productive? I was planing to get a rooted cutting maybe soon.

Yes, it is (self fertile and productive)... The fruit is small, but very sweet.


I think this may be the best tasting description of a Dragon Fruit variety that I've ever heard.

This probably puts it at the number one spot, at the very top of the best Pitaya fruit variety or near the top.

The next step would be to find the next number one Pitaya fruit variety. That would be a bigger sized fruit variety, with the same very sweet taste and with the other quality characteristics.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on January 09, 2014, 11:11:04 AM
Just get a new one, a Bloody Mary dragon! I have 12 diferent var already!  ;D Tomorrow will post pic.
Bloody mary cuting...
(http://s23.postimg.org/x1ae8nnc7/foto0351.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/x1ae8nnc7/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on January 09, 2014, 02:14:57 PM
Just get a new one, a Bloody Mary dragon! I have 12 diferent var already!  ;D Tomorrow will post pic.

Why do you have 12 different Dragon Fruit varieties?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on January 09, 2014, 02:29:32 PM
Just get a new one, a Bloody Mary dragon! I have 12 diferent var already!  ;D Tomorrow will post pic.

Why do you have 12 different Dragon Fruit varieties?
Well i didn't have none, but start to buy or trade, and in few time i have all this diferent ones... but there are any problem?  ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on January 09, 2014, 04:45:22 PM
Why do you have 12 different Dragon Fruit varieties?
Well i didn't have none, but start to buy or trade, and in few time i have all this diferent ones... but there are any problem?  ;)

No problem, just curious.

Do you plan to grow 12 different varieties of Dragon Fruit to maturity?

I am fairly new to growing Dragon Fruit. When I started, I collected every type of cutting I could get my hands on.
Eventually, it was time to repot some plants with trellis and start thinking about getting some fruit.
That is when I decided on which Dragon Fruit varieties I wanted to grow. Which is only 4 - 5 (two varieties with multiple plants, the others are pollinators).

I understand all about collecting. I have a collection of a dozen tropical clumping bamboo planted in my garden.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on January 09, 2014, 05:32:05 PM
Why do you have 12 different Dragon Fruit varieties?
Well i didn't have none, but start to buy or trade, and in few time i have all this diferent ones... but there are any problem?  ;)

No problem, just curious.

Do you plan to grow 12 different varieties of Dragon Fruit to maturity?

I am fairly new to growing Dragon Fruit. When I started, I collected every type of cutting I could get my hands on.
Eventually, it was time to repot some plants with trellis and start thinking about getting some fruit.
That is when I decided on which Dragon Fruit varieties I wanted to grow. Which is only 4 - 5 (two varieties with multiple plants, the others are pollinators).

I understand all about collecting. I have a collection of a dozen tropical clumping bamboo planted in my garden.
Yes i plan to select the best fruit varieties, but it's too early... only when they fruitify i can decide... my plan is to turn on a producer here... there are no dragonfruit production here in Portugal.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on January 09, 2014, 07:30:47 PM
Yes i plan to select the best fruit varieties, but it's too early... only when they fruitify i can decide... my plan is to turn on a producer here... there are no dragonfruit production here in Portugal.

Yes, I forgot the good reason to produce more cuttings for production!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: davib on January 09, 2014, 07:42:58 PM
Hi guys

(http://s10.postimg.org/5yg10b58l/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5yg10b58l/)

Here is my dragon fruit!!

Saw some lovely photos as well! We done guys!

Question I have for you dragon fruit lovers:
Have you are a flower where it just buldges??
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: davib on January 09, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
I have a lot more!

But here is the weird one I was referring too


(http://s9.postimg.org/5h34arc17/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5h34arc17/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on January 09, 2014, 09:16:11 PM
Hi guys

([url]http://s10.postimg.org/5yg10b58l/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/5yg10b58l/[/url])

Here is my dragon fruit!!




NICE!!   What do use for support?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on January 09, 2014, 10:03:26 PM
Hi guys

([url]http://s10.postimg.org/5yg10b58l/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/5yg10b58l/[/url])

Here is my dragon fruit!!




NICE!!   What do use for support?
From the picture, if you look closely, you can see it grown in that grey square container with some kind of trellis/stake support in the middle? Correct me if I'm wrong DaviB  :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on January 09, 2014, 11:02:02 PM
Hi guys

([url]http://s10.postimg.org/5yg10b58l/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/5yg10b58l/[/url])

Here is my dragon fruit!!




NICE!!   What do use for support?
From the picture, if you look closely, you can see it grown in that grey square container with some kind of trellis/stake support in the middle? Correct me if I'm wrong DaviB  :)



I too saw the container...  Interested in the support trellis.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: val on January 10, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
 WOW!
Hi guys

([url]http://s10.postimg.org/5yg10b58l/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/5yg10b58l/[/url])

Here is my dragon fruit!!

Saw some lovely photos as well! We done guys!

Question I have for you dragon fruit lovers:
Have you are a flower where it just buldges??
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gwrace on January 12, 2014, 12:00:46 AM
I have a lot more!

But here is the weird one I was referring too


([url]http://s9.postimg.org/5h34arc17/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/5h34arc17/[/url])


Davib

I'd love more information on how you grew this awesome dragon fruit. What size container, trellis, soil fertilizer etc.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on January 26, 2014, 05:39:00 PM
New Dragon Fruit web site:

Growing Dragonfruit
http://www.wowdragonfruit.com/growing-dragonfruit.html (http://www.wowdragonfruit.com/growing-dragonfruit.html)

The California Story
http://www.wowdragonfruit.com/the-california-story.html (http://www.wowdragonfruit.com/the-california-story.html)

Just sharing, Not my web site.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicdude on January 26, 2014, 05:53:03 PM
Hi guys

([url]http://s10.postimg.org/5yg10b58l/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/5yg10b58l/[/url])

Here is my dragon fruit!!

Saw some lovely photos as well! We done guys!

Question I have for you dragon fruit lovers:
Have you are a flower where it just buldges??


Amazing, just beautiful !  and looks  super productive.  nice job.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on January 27, 2014, 06:01:06 PM
Anyone have info on the Lisa #4 dragon fruit?  The vine seems to be a lot thicker than the rest of the varieties.  I suspect this is more heat and cold tolerant?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on January 27, 2014, 09:32:49 PM
Does Lisa have a sweet or tart fruit?

What I heard was the thicker vines are actually more sensitive. In a hot day, it's more likely to start dying than the normal form. Think less surface area for the same volume, or more volume but the same surface area to dissipate heat.

I'm not sure if it's more cold-tolerant.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on January 27, 2014, 10:55:34 PM
Anyone have info on the Lisa #4 dragon fruit?  The vine seems to be a lot thicker than the rest of the varieties.  I suspect this is more heat and cold tolerant?


Check out and download the 2011 Pitahaya Festival Results:
http://www.edvaldivia.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=765 (http://www.edvaldivia.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=765)

At the 2011 festival tasting, Lisa was one of the favorites.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/lisa_1752_zpscc7e0f47.jpg)

I got a Lisa cutting.

But...  I did not have luck with my first Lisa cutting.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/df4_2386.jpg)

It was the only DF cutting I have had die.

I got another Lisa cutting (#4) in 2012 and have found that, compared to others, it is a slow grower for me.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/cuttings_2304.jpg)

I use the same numbering system as the UC Irvine Research Center for labeling cuttings.


2012

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/cuttings_3226.jpg)

Today

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/lisa_4083_zpsf43182a6.jpg)

Lisa is from Nicaragua and my guess is H. polyrhizus.





Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on January 28, 2014, 10:54:56 AM
It's good to know that it has high brix and its also heat and cold tolerant.  It's a keeper.

What does the number represent?  Is it a number that represents a seedling from a fruit that was hand pollinated?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on January 28, 2014, 01:36:10 PM
What does the number represent?  Is it a number that represents a seedling from a fruit that was hand pollinated?


The numbering system is just what the UC Irvine Research Center uses for labeling cuttings.

All the Dragon Fruit varieties grown at the Research Center are cuttings (clones), seedlings are not reliable.

Some of the varieties are hybrids created by CRFG members, the others were imported from the country of origin.

The varieties on the 2011 Pitahaya Festival Results table with "(FL)" after the name were obtained from Pine Island Nursery which many are renamed varieties from Southern California CRFG members. See Sven's post http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=228.225 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=228.225).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on January 28, 2014, 01:56:35 PM
It's good to know that it has high brix and its also heat and cold tolerant.  It's a keeper.

Glendora is not that far from Ventura.  If interested (or anybody else living near Ventura County), I have a Delight, Physical Graffiti, and Valdivia Roja DF potted plant you can have.

PM if interested.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on January 28, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
Valdivia roja is one I really like. Small fruits but very flavorful. One year I went to Irvine and there were no fruits on the plants. So I think it's not self pollinating and probably needs cross pollination. I'm still waiting for mine to shoot out of the pot.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on January 28, 2014, 04:50:17 PM
Valdivia roja is one I really like. Small fruits but very flavorful. One year I went to Irvine and there were no fruits on the plants. So I think it's not self pollinating and probably needs cross pollination. I'm still waiting for mine to shoot out of the pot.


I really want it now! 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on January 30, 2014, 03:02:05 PM
Here is an update on my yellow DF. This is the first year it fruited for me and these first two fruit are not that large. I'm hoping they will get larger next year. I wonder if they would be larger if the two didn't grow right next to each other? There is another green fruit on another branch that appears to be larger than these and there are another three flowers about to open. These two fruit still have some green on them but are mostly yellow, do you think they are ready to harvest or will they taste better if I leave them until they are completely yellow?
Simon
(http://s28.postimg.org/x8palj28p/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/x8palj28p/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: HMHausman on January 30, 2014, 03:22:18 PM
Here is an update on my yellow DF. This is the first year it fruited for me and these first two fruit are not that large. I'm hoping they will get larger next year. I wonder if they would be larger if the two didn't grow right next to each other? There is another green fruit on another branch that appears to be larger than these and there are another three flowers about to open. These two fruit still have some green on them but are mostly yellow, do you think they are ready to harvest or will they taste better if I leave them until they are completely yellow?
Simon
([url]http://s28.postimg.org/x8palj28p/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/x8palj28p/[/url])


Hope....but don't start holding your breath on any increase in size, next year or any year.

On picking, I wait until the spines can be removed by just brushing against them.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on January 30, 2014, 04:19:42 PM
Valdivia roja is one I really like. Small fruits but very flavorful. One year I went to Irvine and there were no fruits on the plants. So I think it's not self pollinating and probably needs cross pollination. I'm still waiting for mine to shoot out of the pot.


I really want it now!
You can take one of my potted ones. It will need staking and maybe pruning.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mike T on January 30, 2014, 04:47:10 PM
Those yellows probably won't swell any more and look ready to pick.Some lines produce much larger fruit that are thicker through the middle but taste the same.Perfectly riped ones from the best lines have a nice lemonade overtone and a cheery sweet taste.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on January 30, 2014, 07:10:22 PM
Valdivia roja is one I really like. Small fruits but very flavorful. One year I went to Irvine and there were no fruits on the plants. So I think it's not self pollinating and probably needs cross pollination. I'm still waiting for mine to shoot out of the pot.


I really want it now!
You can take one of my potted ones. It will need staking and maybe pruning.


Cool. Thank you. I'll come by your parents house Sunday morning to pick up.  Also, can I pick up the El bumpo scion too?

You want any salacca palm or inga seedlings?  Let me know, I can bring some seedlings over if interested.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on January 31, 2014, 12:58:48 AM
Thanks Harry and Mike T,

I'll probably just harvest them tomorrow do the insides don't get mushy. I believe there Mark may have the larger fruited variety as his fruit were quite wide in the middle and the stems also look slightly different than mine. I wish I kept the seeds of the Giant Yellow DF I ate in Hong Kong. The ones I ate in Hong Kong were almost too sweet, it was like eating spoonfulls of Agave nectar. From my memory, I actually prefer varieties like Halley's Comet, American Beauty and Simons purple. I like having the yellow because they ripen in a different season compared to the other DF varieties.
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Ryan on February 13, 2014, 04:01:50 AM
(http://s15.postimg.org/4ec7spcef/Pitaya_06.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4ec7spcef/)

Question, is it advisable to plant out multiple varieties of pitaya/dragon fruit within close proximity? I'm new to dragon fruit and preparing to plant multiple vines of the smaller orange and yellow pitaya. In addition, I anticipate planting many of the larger fruited varieties in the near future.

In general, is close enough proximity for cross pollination between varieties a good thing or not? Thanks.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on February 13, 2014, 06:52:41 PM
Ryan, do you have the natural bat pollinator where you live? If not then you'll have to do it yourself. I heard the yellow doesn't require it. The drawback of high density is can you get to the fruits once they're ripe and will they get enough sunlight to induce flowering. For Hawaii I think sunlight is not a problem. I'd say your main concern might be keeping it from growing too fast and keeping the roots from rotting by planting it in fast draining soil.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 13, 2014, 07:44:57 PM
Question, is it advisable to plant out multiple varieties of pitaya/dragon fruit within close proximity? I'm new to dragon fruit and preparing to plant multiple vines of the smaller orange and yellow pitaya. In addition, I anticipate planting many of the larger fruited varieties in the near future.
In general, is close enough proximity for cross pollination between varieties a good thing or not? Thanks.

IMO it is a good idea to plant more than one variety of Dragon Fruit within close proximity.  Last year I had red flesh Nicaraguan Dragon Fruit that produced dozens of flowers, BUT... I did not have other flowering Dragon Fruit plants to pollinate it.  When I did, I got good tasting fruit. Cross pollination between varieties is a good thing.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: marklee on February 13, 2014, 08:14:54 PM
Thanks Harry and Mike T,

I'll probably just harvest them tomorrow do the insides don't get mushy. I believe there Mark may have the larger fruited variety as his fruit were quite wide in the middle and the stems also look slightly different than mine. I wish I kept the seeds of the Giant Yellow DF I ate in Hong Kong. The ones I ate in Hong Kong were almost too sweet, it was like eating spoonfulls of Agave nectar. From my memory, I actually prefer varieties like Halley's Comet, American Beauty and Simons purple. I like having the yellow because they ripen in a different season compared to the other DF varieties.
Simon
Simon, I picked my last one over a month ago, since we have the same weather, and my do get a bit larger I wonder if there are slight variations in Colombia also.
Bye the way I still have Voodoo Child and Houghton ripening. Also, all of the cuttings I got from you are rooted nice already.
I also noticed that the Lisa I received in 2011 at the Irvine Festival is a real slow grower.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: tanguy on February 14, 2014, 02:58:12 PM
Why do you have 12 different Dragon Fruit varieties?
Well i didn't have none, but start to buy or trade, and in few time i have all this diferent ones... but there are any problem?  ;)

No problem, just curious.

Do you plan to grow 12 different varieties of Dragon Fruit to maturity?

I am fairly new to growing Dragon Fruit. When I started, I collected every type of cutting I could get my hands on.
Eventually, it was time to repot some plants with trellis and start thinking about getting some fruit.
That is when I decided on which Dragon Fruit varieties I wanted to grow. Which is only 4 - 5 (two varieties with multiple plants, the others are pollinators).

I understand all about collecting. I have a collection of a dozen tropical clumping bamboo planted in my garden.
Yes i plan to select the best fruit varieties, but it's too early... only when they fruitify i can decide... my plan is to turn on a producer here... there are no dragonfruit production here in Portugal.

Hi ricshaw,
We need different varieties of DF for cross pollination.  Most of the colored dragon fruit plants (red, pink, and purple flesh) here in the U.S. are not self-fertile ( not self-fertile means that the plant will not set fruit with it's own pollen). So we need pollen from other varieties.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: tanguy on February 14, 2014, 03:19:02 PM
I read it is 10 pounds of plant weight, have no idea how to get them to flower earlier.

Hi Luisport,

You need about 3 years if you grow from a 2 ft- cutting, and about 5 years from a shorter cutting (like 10 inches).

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NYC_FruitKing on February 14, 2014, 03:46:49 PM
I've been following this post for quite a while now and I've decided to try my luck with growing DF in my area. I made a post in the yahoo pitaya forum and didn't receive much of any pointers for finding out the quote-on-quote "best" DF varieties in terms of taste and flavor, so I'll just grow 3 in a 15-gal pot with a 4"x4", 5' tall PVC pipe with burlap attached to it. The varieties I've decided on are American Beauty, Delight, and Zamorano. Once I get more space I'll grow more varieties, or end up grafting yellow dragon and others to see if they're worth extra space once I can afford some more space to grow things with.. And as much as I'd like to order these varieties online from mattslandscape, the online reviews complaining about orders taking a while to process and poor customer service in general makes me want to resort to asking avid DF growers for cuttings, so I don't waste my time and money :D Anyone on this thread have fairly big (around 12") cuttings of these 3 varieties they'd be willing to donate to a good cause? I'll happily pay for postage and all that jazz  :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on February 14, 2014, 05:09:55 PM
Zamorano. Can someone describe the taste?

I gave away several cuttings of it last weekend but I don't think I'be tasted the fruit. The FL ebayer I got it from told me that's his favorite out of the 5 types he sold me.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 14, 2014, 08:42:28 PM
Hi ricshaw,
We need different varieties of DF for cross pollination.  Most of the colored dragon fruit plants (red, pink, and purple flesh) here in the U.S. are not self-fertile ( not self-fertile means that the plant will not set fruit with it's own pollen). So we need pollen from other varieties.

I think that is what I said.  I agree.  Blame Pine Island for some of the confusion.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: tanguy on February 15, 2014, 01:07:11 AM
Anyone have info on the Lisa #4 dragon fruit?  The vine seems to be a lot thicker than the rest of the varieties.  I suspect this is more heat and cold tolerant?


Hi Xshen,
Lisa is a good cold hardiness and heat tolerance but not the best.  The best one is Valdivia Roja, next to it are Physical Graffiti and Halley's Comet. 
Please check this link:
http://edvaldivia.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=828 (http://edvaldivia.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=828)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MarinFla on February 15, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
I read it is 10 pounds of plant weight, have no idea how to get them to flower earlier.

Hi Luisport,

You need about 3 years if you grow from a 2 ft- cutting, and about 5 years from a shorter cutting (like 10 inches).

Not true in my sub tropical climate. Mine fruited in just under 1-1/2 yrs from a few 6 -8 inch cuttings planted/started in December
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on February 15, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
I read it is 10 pounds of plant weight, have no idea how to get them to flower earlier.

Hi Luisport,

You need about 3 years if you grow from a 2 ft- cutting, and about 5 years from a shorter cutting (like 10 inches).

Not true in my sub tropical climate. Mine fruited in just under 1-1/2 yrs from a few 6 -8 inch cuttings planted/started in December
Well we will see what i will get this year... i'm hoping to have  some fruit next year, but i will wait with all patience! ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on February 15, 2014, 02:03:02 PM
Thanks Harry and Mike T,

I'll probably just harvest them tomorrow do the insides don't get mushy. I believe there Mark may have the larger fruited variety as his fruit were quite wide in the middle and the stems also look slightly different than mine. I wish I kept the seeds of the Giant Yellow DF I ate in Hong Kong. The ones I ate in Hong Kong were almost too sweet, it was like eating spoonfulls of Agave nectar. From my memory, I actually prefer varieties like Halley's Comet, American Beauty and Simons purple. I like having the yellow because they ripen in a different season compared to the other DF varieties.
Simon
Simon, I picked my last one over a month ago, since we have the same weather, and my do get a bit larger I wonder if there are slight variations in Colombia also.
Bye the way I still have Voodoo Child and Houghton ripening. Also, all of the cuttings I got from you are rooted nice already.
I also noticed that the Lisa I received in 2011 at the Irvine Festival is a real slow grower.
Hey Mark, I'm glad the cuttings are rooting nicely for you. I just harvested my first two yellow dragons yesterday and they are really small. The larger one was only 7.75 Oz. These first two fruit are going to relatives that have never tasted the yellow before so I won't be able to provide a taste report until I harvest the next one. I would love a cutting of your Yellow Dragon and Lisa if you have any available.
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on February 15, 2014, 02:04:57 PM

(http://s14.postimg.org/ji53cxf1p/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ji53cxf1p/)
Larger fruit
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on February 15, 2014, 02:18:45 PM

([url]http://s14.postimg.org/ji53cxf1p/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/ji53cxf1p/[/url])
Larger fruit
Good one!  :P Maby in 3 years i will get them too...  ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: marklee on February 16, 2014, 12:58:00 PM
Thanks Harry and Mike T,

I'll probably just harvest them tomorrow do the insides don't get mushy. I believe there Mark may have the larger fruited variety as his fruit were quite wide in the middle and the stems also look slightly different than mine. I wish I kept the seeds of the Giant Yellow DF I ate in Hong Kong. The ones I ate in Hong Kong were almost too sweet, it was like eating spoonfulls of Agave nectar. From my memory, I actually prefer varieties like Halley's Comet, American Beauty and Simons purple. I like having the yellow because they ripen in a different season compared to the other DF varieties.
Simon
Simon, I picked my last one over a month ago, since we have the same weather, and my do get a bit larger I wonder if there are slight variations in Colombia also.
Bye the way I still have Voodoo Child and Houghton ripening. Also, all of the cuttings I got from you are rooted nice already.
I also noticed that the Lisa I received in 2011 at the Irvine Festival is a real slow grower.
Hey Mark, I'm glad the cuttings are rooting nicely for you. I just harvested my first two yellow dragons yesterday and they are really small. The larger one was only 7.75 Oz. These first two fruit are going to relatives that have never tasted the yellow before so I won't be able to provide a taste report until I harvest the next one. I would love a cutting of your Yellow Dragon and Lisa if you have any available.
Simon
Simon, no problem getting you some cuttings. Get ahold of me.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mucbean on February 17, 2014, 08:35:01 PM
This is the first time i've tried to grow dragon fruit. How do I cut the branches(?) that are growing out horizontally. If I try and force them vertical they will break.

Thanks,
Mike

(http://s27.postimg.org/eyrlmemgv/dragon_fruit.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/eyrlmemgv/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NathanC on February 17, 2014, 08:39:33 PM
Hello, I new to dragon fruit, and have been reading all the replies to the discussion. I only own, the common, Physical Graffiti. I am interested  in any dragon fruit, especially the 'Yellow (spiky fruit)', and 'Condor'. I am also interested in the most dark fleshed variety, possibly, 'Lisa'. I'm happy to finally join the tread after reading all the previous comments.  ;D

Nice to meet you,
Nate ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on February 17, 2014, 09:17:04 PM
is it possible to fruit DFs in pots without supports?  I know they won't be as productive, but does it have to get to 100s of lbs of weight? I am deterred by the support structure.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on February 17, 2014, 09:19:58 PM
is it possible to fruit DFs in pots without supports?  I know they won't be as productive, but does it have to get to 100s of lbs of weight? I am deterred by the support structure.

If you don't like the support structure grow Cereus sp. instead. Good selections of Cereus sp. can get very close to DF in taste.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 17, 2014, 09:25:27 PM
This is the first time i've tried to grow dragon fruit. How do I cut the branches(?) that are growing out horizontally. If I try and force them vertical they will break.

Thanks,
Mike

([url]http://s27.postimg.org/eyrlmemgv/dragon_fruit.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/eyrlmemgv/[/url])


Mike I would remove the lower horizontal growing branches, which will help the main vertical growing branches.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 17, 2014, 09:29:09 PM
is it possible to fruit DFs in pots without supports?  I know they won't be as productive, but does it have to get to 100s of lbs of weight? I am deterred by the support structure.

Yes.

Maybe elevate the pot and train the cactus as a low bush.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 17, 2014, 09:31:22 PM

If you don't like the support structure grow Cereus sp. instead. Good selections of Cereus sp. can get very close to DF in taste.

I am looking for good tasting Cereus...  And I take it that you have good Cereus.

Where can I find good Cereus in So Cal?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 17, 2014, 09:49:53 PM
Interesting video of Gray Martin's Dragon Fruit farm in So Cal.

5000 plants. Note trellis and pots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs1HrETp8_U& (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs1HrETp8_U&)

Check his web site: http://www.wowdragonfruit.com (http://www.wowdragonfruit.com)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: tanguy on February 17, 2014, 11:20:58 PM
This is the first time i've tried to grow dragon fruit. How do I cut the branches(?) that are growing out horizontally. If I try and force them vertical they will break.

Thanks,
Mike

([url]http://s27.postimg.org/eyrlmemgv/dragon_fruit.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/eyrlmemgv/[/url])


Hi Mike,
If you rotate them 90 degree, they will break. But if you rotate them by smaller angles (such as 20 degree), they will be okay. First you just rotate them about 20 degree, and leave them like that for about a week, then next week you rotate them another 20 degree and so on...until they are in vertical position.  I am training my DF plants like this and they are all good.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: hellosf on February 18, 2014, 12:02:29 AM
Mark/Simon (san diego folk) When are most of your fruit ready to be picked?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: marklee on February 18, 2014, 01:33:28 AM
Mark/Simon (san diego folk) When are most of your fruit ready to be picked?
I get my regular hybrids (not yellow megalanthus) starting in mid summer and if it's a warm winter then up to February, 2 crops.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on February 18, 2014, 12:19:01 PM
is it possible to fruit DFs in pots without supports?  I know they won't be as productive, but does it have to get to 100s of lbs of weight? I am deterred by the support structure.

Do you know where to acquire these cereus that taste good?

Also, do they have colored flesh like DFs or just white inside?

Very interested but DF has so much more info, namely PIN's website.

How do cereus differ from hylocereus in terms of growth habit, requirements, etc.?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on February 18, 2014, 12:31:33 PM
Yes there is Cereus sp. out there with red/purple flesh. I have one Cereus sp. that was sold to me stating the fruit was purple flesh. I am not sure how the taste is, but I am sure it will easily cross with other Cereus sp. There is also orange and yellow skinned fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 18, 2014, 12:36:24 PM
Quote

Do you know where to acquire these cereus that taste good?

Also, do they have colored flesh like DFs or just white inside?

Very interested but DF has so much more info, namely PIN's website.

How do cereus differ from hylocereus in terms of growth habit, requirements, etc.?

Thanks!

I am not an expert...

I have not seen Cereus with colored flesh fruit.

I think Cereus is more of a desert columber cactus and Hylocereus is a climbing tropical cactus.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 18, 2014, 12:43:43 PM
Yes there is Cereus sp. out there with red/purple flesh. I have one Cereus sp. that was sold to me stating the fruit was purple flesh. I am not sure how the taste is, but I am sure it will easily cross with other Cereus sp. There is also orange and yellow skinned fruit.

Are these Cereus like Cereus peruvianus cactus?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on February 18, 2014, 12:48:02 PM
Quote

Do you know where to acquire these cereus that taste good?

Also, do they have colored flesh like DFs or just white inside?

Very interested but DF has so much more info, namely PIN's website.

How do cereus differ from hylocereus in terms of growth habit, requirements, etc.?

Thanks!


I am not an expert...

I have not seen Cereus with colored flesh fruit.

I think Cereus is more of a desert columber cactus and Hylocereus is a climbing tropical cactus.


There is purple/red flesh I was told. Its from Bolivia, was told it was Cereus comarapanus (It looks similar to Cereus validus from online photos, though comarapanus does not have many photos on the internet). Here is a picture of the cacti I have;
April 2012
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--wRbQ2cyEdQ/T52nJhEy8cI/AAAAAAAACpw/zjvIhKftE9E/s400/P1040162.JPG)

I may plan to do some future crosses with it, think it may be interesting to cross with one of the monstrose cereus hybrids. (fruit 3.6 inches (9 cm) long, purple) http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cactaceae/Cereus_comarapanus.html (http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cactaceae/Cereus_comarapanus.html)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NathanC on February 18, 2014, 07:11:46 PM
Is anyone growing Selenicereus megalanthus? I have a very new garden so I would not be able to return with any cuttings.  :'(
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on February 18, 2014, 11:09:15 PM
Mark/Simon (san diego folk) When are most of your fruit ready to be picked?

My plants are still young and only my Simon's purple and Yellow Dragon have fruited at this house so my fruit ripening times may not give you a good idea as to when they will normally ripen. The Simon's purple ripened for me last year around mid Summer with a second round of fruit late summer to early fall. My mother in law that lives down the street from me also has Simon's purple planted but in full sun and she started harvesting fruit about a month earlier than me.

I just harvested my yellows last week and there is one fruit and three flowers that just opened last night.
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on February 18, 2014, 11:23:43 PM
Thanks Harry and Mike T,

I'll probably just harvest them tomorrow do the insides don't get mushy. I believe there Mark may have the larger fruited variety as his fruit were quite wide in the middle and the stems also look slightly different than mine. I wish I kept the seeds of the Giant Yellow DF I ate in Hong Kong. The ones I ate in Hong Kong were almost too sweet, it was like eating spoonfulls of Agave nectar. From my memory, I actually prefer varieties like Halley's Comet, American Beauty and Simons purple. I like having the yellow because they ripen in a different season compared to the other DF varieties.
Simon

Thank you for the great news, that large and sweet tasting Dragon Fruit do exist and are out there to be found/discovered, although I sure wish you had kept those seeds and propagated them here in the USA; perhaps on the next trip.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 27, 2014, 02:28:30 PM
Hello, I new to dragon fruit, and have been reading all the replies to the discussion. I only own, the common, Physical Graffiti. I am interested  in any dragon fruit, especially the 'Yellow (spiky fruit)', and 'Condor'. I am also interested in the most dark fleshed variety, possibly, 'Lisa'. I'm happy to finally join the tread after reading all the previous comments.  ;D
Nice to meet you,
Nate ;)

Nate,
F.Y.I.
It was recently reported by Ramiro Lobo (UCCE Small Farms & Agricultural Economics Advisor) that  recent completed DNA work; "Lisa", "Rosa", & "Cebra" could be considered the same.
Lisa, Rosa, & Cebra are Nicaragua clones being field tested at Irvine, CA research center.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Recher on February 27, 2014, 05:21:27 PM
Am I alone in preferring Opuntia ficus-indica fruit to any of the Hylocereus?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 27, 2014, 05:39:35 PM
Am I alone in preferring Opuntia ficus-indica fruit to any of the Hylocereus?

I can't comment because I have not tasted Opuntia ficus-indica fruit.

Hopefully in a few years I can comment.  I very recently planted some Opuntia varieties.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on February 27, 2014, 06:18:17 PM
Am I alone in preferring Opuntia ficus-indica fruit to any of the Hylocereus?

I view them equally as tasty as Dragon Fruit. I think most people shy away from Opuntia sp. fruits, due to the glochids and spines involved. Also the seeds are a major turn off for people.

I have had an excellent Opuntia that had no seeds and had sweet tasty flesh, I ranked it a 9 out of 10.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 27, 2014, 06:21:48 PM
I have had an excellent Opuntia that had no seeds and had sweet tasty flesh, I ranked it a 9 out of 10.

If it does not have a name...  you could name it "Nullzero" and distribute it and become famous!  ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on February 27, 2014, 07:09:10 PM
I have had an excellent Opuntia that had no seeds and had sweet tasty flesh, I ranked it a 9 out of 10.

If it does not have a name...  you could name it "Nullzero" and distribute it and become famous!  ;)

Its a PARL #, I have to check my notes (just checked). However there was no cross pollination of other flowers at the time (it was the only flower and fruit).

PARL 244, Flowering 5/26, Fruit Ripe 9/2 (seedless, only fruit) Excellent tasting, sweet honeydew melon taste."
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 27, 2014, 08:49:09 PM
Its a PARL #, I have to check my notes (just checked). However there was no cross pollination of other flowers at the time (it was the only flower and fruit).
PARL 244, Flowering 5/26, Fruit Ripe 9/2 (seedless, only fruit) Excellent tasting, sweet honeydew melon taste."

Did you get it from the National Arid Land Plant Genetic Resources Unit?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on February 27, 2014, 08:52:03 PM
Its a PARL #, I have to check my notes (just checked). However there was no cross pollination of other flowers at the time (it was the only flower and fruit).
PARL 244, Flowering 5/26, Fruit Ripe 9/2 (seedless, only fruit) Excellent tasting, sweet honeydew melon taste."

Did you get it from the National Arid Land Plant Genetic Resources Unit?

Yes
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on February 28, 2014, 12:49:52 AM
Am I alone in preferring Opuntia ficus-indica fruit to any of the Hylocereus?

I view them equally as tasty as Dragon Fruit. I think most people shy away from Opuntia sp. fruits, due to the glochids and spines involved. Also the seeds are a major turn off for people.

I have had an excellent Opuntia that had no seeds and had sweet tasty flesh, I ranked it a 9 out of 10.

Opuntia are very fine fruits, better than DF in most cases, the downside being the high number of small, hard seeds. Similar to guava.

Anybody who can't successfully  use a chef's torch to deal with glochids and spines has no business growing prickly pear. It isn't rocket science.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Recher on February 28, 2014, 02:41:54 AM
The O. ficus-indica I got is for all practical purposes spine free and glochid-less. Slight glochid but they don't stick in. I bare-hand them.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on February 28, 2014, 02:51:30 AM
Am I alone in preferring Opuntia ficus-indica fruit to any of the Hylocereus?

I view them equally as tasty as Dragon Fruit. I think most people shy away from Opuntia sp. fruits, due to the glochids and spines involved. Also the seeds are a major turn off for people.

I have had an excellent Opuntia that had no seeds and had sweet tasty flesh, I ranked it a 9 out of 10.

Opuntia are very fine fruits, better than DF in most cases, the downside being the high number of small, hard seeds. Similar to guava.

Anybody who can't successfully  use a chef's torch to deal with glochids and spines has no business growing prickly pear. It isn't rocket science.

I have a selection I made call Torrance PCH#1, the fruit can be handled bare hand because the limited amount of glochids blows off with rain and wind over time. I harvested one by hand in FL and it had no glochids on it. Seeds are smaller and softer then usual as well.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NathanC on February 28, 2014, 06:40:58 PM
Quote
I have a selection I made call Torrance PCH#1, the fruit can be handled bare hand because the limited amount of glochids blows off with rain and wind over time. I harvested one by hand in FL and it had no glochids on it. Seeds are smaller and softer then usual as well.

Do you think think the glochids would fall off in little rain? I live in AZ, but we do have strong wind. I know that Prickly Pear is a state symbol, but I am interested in a glochid-free or an easy glochid removal variety.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on March 01, 2014, 01:17:08 AM
After about 3 years from planting, my 'David-Bowie' Dragon Fruit has almost reached the top of the pressure treated pole. The first two years it showed signs of growing pains. The tentacle roots of the plant wouldn't adhere to the pole, perhaps because of chemicals on it. But now, I suppose because the pole has been weatherized, the tentacle roots are adhering to the pole without any support of plastic-tie-wraps.

It's just gone crazy growing and climbing, and of course I'm both surprised and happy about this. I still have to install/build the wood bracket/crown at the top of the pole. I'm eaguerly waiting for it to flower and fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Ryan on March 01, 2014, 02:53:27 AM
Question, is it advisable to plant out multiple varieties of pitaya/dragon fruit within close proximity? I'm new to dragon fruit and preparing to plant multiple vines of the smaller orange and yellow pitaya. In addition, I anticipate planting many of the larger fruited varieties in the near future.
In general, is close enough proximity for cross pollination between varieties a good thing or not? Thanks.

IMO it is a good idea to plant more than one variety of Dragon Fruit within close proximity.  Last year I had red flesh Nicaraguan Dragon Fruit that produced dozens of flowers, BUT... I did not have other flowering Dragon Fruit plants to pollinate it.  When I did, I got good tasting fruit. Cross pollination between varieties is a good thing.

Thanks to fyliu, ricshaw and tanguy for the helpful answers to my question. p.s. We do have Hawaiian hoary bats in the area, though I've never seen one. As advised, I'll plan on planting several varieties within close enough proximity for cross pollination.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ekierkla on March 01, 2014, 10:19:12 AM
If you are trying to grow Opuntia ficus-indica, then get the sicilian Orange type. It is the best. WAY better then any store bought one. It has a nice flavor and grows well. Trust me you will love this cactus.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on March 01, 2014, 01:49:18 PM
If you are trying to grow Opuntia ficus-indica, then get the sicilian Orange type. It is the best. WAY better then any store bought one. It has a nice flavor and grows well. Trust me you will love this cactus.

Got a source?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on March 01, 2014, 03:34:51 PM
Quote
I have a selection I made call Torrance PCH#1, the fruit can be handled bare hand because the limited amount of glochids blows off with rain and wind over time. I harvested one by hand in FL and it had no glochids on it. Seeds are smaller and softer then usual as well.

Do you think think the glochids would fall off in little rain? I live in AZ, but we do have strong wind. I know that Prickly Pear is a state symbol, but I am interested in a glochid-free or an easy glochid removal variety.

I can't confirm that because I have no grow reports in AZ. The mother plants location has a low amount of glochids, but the winds never really go over 20mph and the rain is limited. FL plant experienced heavy rains and winds over 40mph.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on March 07, 2014, 10:08:57 PM
At the La Verne Nursery tour today, we saw some of the 10,000 unnamed Dragon Fruit being grown for Lowe's, Home Depot, and other West Coast nurseries.

Dragon Fruit cuttings:

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/CRFG/La%20Verne/df_4239_zpsa6445e5a.jpg)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/CRFG/La%20Verne/df_4240_zps2f974628.jpg)

Parent stock for cuttings:

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/CRFG/La%20Verne/df_4244_zps5f50408e.jpg)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/CRFG/La%20Verne/df_4245_zps6e10031d.jpg)

Yellow Dragon Fruit (I have not seen for sale in nurseries):

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/CRFG/La%20Verne/df_4246_zps657706ac.jpg)

La Verne is experimenting with growing Dragon Fruit from seeds:

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/CRFG/La%20Verne/df_4219_zps1673c3fd.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on March 07, 2014, 10:24:05 PM
Dragon fruit seedlings look very interesting. Could make some great selections on vigor.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on March 07, 2014, 10:41:56 PM
Got nopal?

La Verne Nursery does.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/CRFG/La%20Verne/la_verne_4241_zps8f5f0961.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on March 07, 2014, 11:52:59 PM
WOW :o
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on March 07, 2014, 11:59:15 PM

La Verne is experimenting with growing Dragon Fruit from seeds:

([url]http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/CRFG/La%20Verne/df_4219_zps1673c3fd.jpg[/url])


Wow, La Verne Dragon Fruit Nursery doesn't play around, so far this is the best DF Nursery that I've ever seen. By growing DF from seeds, they are sure to develop new varieties of DF of superb quality and taste, impressive.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on March 08, 2014, 12:21:12 AM

Wow, La Verne Dragon Fruit Nursery doesn't play around, so far this is the best DF Nursery that I've ever seen. By growing DF from seeds, they are sure to develop DF of superb quality and taste, impressive.


You think so?    ???
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on March 08, 2014, 01:45:38 AM
I asked Daniel Nelson, Director of Operations, about the colorful pot sleeves used on Dragon Fruit and some other plants from La Verne and he said it is up the the retailer... "they cost a lot of money".

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/lowes_6.jpg)

IMO they help catch the customer's eye.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/lowes.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: franciscu on March 10, 2014, 09:59:22 AM
"Ice Cream" pitaya?

I found 8 pots of pitaya abandoned and neglected -- obviously for years -- at the back of my lot. Two of them had no labels. The other 6 had labels identifying their varieties as 2 Delights, 1 American Beauty, 1 Halley's Comet, 1 "Red", and 1 "Ice Cream".  I've heard of the first 5, but never heard mention of the "Ice Cream" variety. The plant was in awful shape, with just a couple of half dried out sections with some green left on them. There was some root left and that central woody stalk inside the fleshy part had some green still going.  I've salvaged the last two pieces and stuck them in some moist potting soil and placed them in some mottled shade. If one of them manages to catch hold and produce a new healthy green section I'll try to plant it and see what gives.  I'm intrigued because I've never seen any reference to the Ice Cream variety before. Anybody ever heard of it? Is what I'm doing worth the trouble?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on March 10, 2014, 10:15:02 AM
"Ice Cream" pitaya?

I found 8 pots of pitaya abandoned and neglected -- obviously for years -- at the back of my lot. Two of them had no labels. The other 6 had labels identifying their varieties as 2 Delights, 1 American Beauty, 1 Halley's Comet, 1 "Red", and 1 "Ice Cream".  I've heard of the first 5, but never heard mention of the "Ice Cream" variety. The plant was in awful shape, with just a couple of half dried out sections with some green left on them. There was some root left and that central woody stalk inside the fleshy part had some green still going.  I've salvaged the last two pieces and stuck them in some moist potting soil and placed them in some mottled shade. If one of them manages to catch hold and produce a new healthy green section I'll try to plant it and see what gives.  I'm intrigued because I've never seen any reference to the Ice Cream variety before. Anybody ever heard of it? Is what I'm doing worth the trouble?
Could just be a re name variety? I saw two variety for sale online and they were called "Strawberry Sorbet" and "Raspberry Delight" ??? ::) :D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Doglips on March 12, 2014, 11:05:18 AM
I really dislike when anything is re-branded for marketing purposes.  It muddies the water as to truth in origin, which I guess is the intent.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NaturalGreenthumb on March 23, 2014, 02:46:59 PM
Wanted to share my dragon fruit trellis.

While driving down a street I saw a wood frame and as luck would have it I was trying to figure out how I was going to do my dragon fruit trellis.

I have this mostly shady spot on the side of my house, so that's where I'm going to stick it.

I stopped an pick it up and come to release it was a twin bed frame.

I took off the springs. And this is what I got.

4 pillars and a twin bed frame.

Imagine a king or a queen


(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/yellowbrickroad_54/c3e0862eaaff766e4ebedacf2006114a_zps21882acd.jpg)


(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/yellowbrickroad_54/fad503216e7c4d3fb7ef54b23034a9b2_zps1c13442e.jpg)


(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/yellowbrickroad_54/c37ce3c98620f60a317460bd13766b11_zps7ea60947.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: HMHausman on March 23, 2014, 03:03:32 PM
Nice!  My only additional comment is that mine do better in direct sunlight. Not sure how much bloom you'll get in shade.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: mikesid on March 23, 2014, 03:36:16 PM
Cool! a pre-built trellis!

   I've been collecting dragon fruit from various places around the city. Mostly in the older neighborhoods where they are growing up tall trees. I even saw one growing in the scrub along miner rd in the middle of nowhere up a tall pine tree so I pulled over and grabbed some of that. Without a good plan of where to put all these I went and made some t-posts for them. I picked up the three varieties Excalibur sells also though I'm not sure of there names..(maybe Rob knows)…Cristella just told me the color of flesh/skin of each… The other dragon fruit I've been 'wild' collecting I just mark with the name of the street from where I got it…dragon fruit grows like a weed at my house..and yeah, I know, clear the grass from around them…easy,I just built this two days..


(http://s1.postimg.org/thw38kg2j/IMG_0543.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/thw38kg2j/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NaturalGreenthumb on March 23, 2014, 03:40:17 PM
Nice!  My only additional comment is that mine do better in direct sunlight. Not sure how much bloom you'll get in shade.


Crap!

There is afternoon or early evening sun in that spot, the sun  shines over the top. I hope that's enough.

Not sure what else to put there. It's a north facing wall.

It's Either that or sugarcane and sugar cane needs direct sun too...

I read the forum post about dragon fruit getting sunburn so I figure it would be ok.

I got to test it out unless I find something to put there.

Would monstera deliciosa work?

Any suggestion for a north facing wall?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on March 23, 2014, 07:11:54 PM
Cool! a pre-built trellis!

   I've been collecting dragon fruit from various places around the city. Mostly in the older neighborhoods where they are growing up tall trees. I even saw one growing in the scrub along miner rd in the middle of nowhere up a tall pine tree so I pulled over and grabbed some of that. Without a good plan of where to put all these I went and made some t-posts for them. I picked up the three varieties Excalibur sells also though I'm not sure of there names..(maybe Rob knows)…Cristella just told me the color of flesh/skin of each… The other dragon fruit I've been 'wild' collecting I just mark with the name of the street from where I got it…dragon fruit grows like a weed at my house..and yeah, I know, clear the grass from around them…easy,I just built this two days..


([url]http://s1.postimg.org/thw38kg2j/IMG_0543.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/thw38kg2j/[/url])


Mike,

How is the fruit quality on the Cereus sp. in the background?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: mikesid on March 23, 2014, 08:28:21 PM
Cool! a pre-built trellis!

   I've been collecting dragon fruit from various places around the city. Mostly in the older neighborhoods where they are growing up tall trees. I even saw one growing in the scrub along miner rd in the middle of nowhere up a tall pine tree so I pulled over and grabbed some of that. Without a good plan of where to put all these I went and made some t-posts for them. I picked up the three varieties Excalibur sells also though I'm not sure of there names..(maybe Rob knows)…Cristella just told me the color of flesh/skin of each… The other dragon fruit I've been 'wild' collecting I just mark with the name of the street from where I got it…dragon fruit grows like a weed at my house..and yeah, I know, clear the grass from around them…easy,I just built this two days..


([url]http://s1.postimg.org/thw38kg2j/IMG_0543.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/thw38kg2j/[/url])


Mike,

How is the fruit quality on the Cereus sp. in the background?

now I'm gonna have to paddle my kayak across and take a look..will report back!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on March 23, 2014, 09:16:01 PM
Cool! a pre-built trellis!

   I've been collecting dragon fruit from various places around the city. Mostly in the older neighborhoods where they are growing up tall trees. I even saw one growing in the scrub along miner rd in the middle of nowhere up a tall pine tree so I pulled over and grabbed some of that. Without a good plan of where to put all these I went and made some t-posts for them. I picked up the three varieties Excalibur sells also though I'm not sure of there names..(maybe Rob knows)…Cristella just told me the color of flesh/skin of each… The other dragon fruit I've been 'wild' collecting I just mark with the name of the street from where I got it…dragon fruit grows like a weed at my house..and yeah, I know, clear the grass from around them…easy,I just built this two days..


([url]http://s1.postimg.org/thw38kg2j/IMG_0543.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/thw38kg2j/[/url])


Mike,

How is the fruit quality on the Cereus sp. in the background?

now I'm gonna have to paddle my kayak across and take a look..will report back!


Should be flowering very soon, ripe fruits possible in June to September.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on March 24, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
Nice!  My only additional comment is that mine do better in direct sunlight. Not sure how much bloom you'll get in shade.


Crap!

There is afternoon or early evening sun in that spot, the sun  shines over the top. I hope that's enough.

Not sure what else to put there. It's a north facing wall.

It's Either that or sugarcane and sugar cane needs direct sun too...

I read the forum post about dragon fruit getting sunburn so I figure it would be ok.

I got to test it out unless I find something to put there.

Would monstera deliciosa work?

Any suggestion for a north facing wall?
10 hours of light a day is the commonly suggested amount for inducing flowering. If your DF doesn't  thicken up or stays dark green instead of getting a little bit yellow, then you need to move it. Or put supplemental lighting if you really want to.

Monstera deliciosa probably works since it's normally grown under trees. eugenia uniflora will fruit just fine in moderate shade.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on March 26, 2014, 10:28:14 PM
I'm very pleased with the progress of my 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit growing on a single cylindrical wooden pole that's abouut 7 feet tall.

Although the cuttings that surround the pole at the bottom are all from the same mother tree, one of the cuttings has really take off climbing the pole and it's just one foot away from the top. I still haven't decided what type of trellis I'm going to use to crown the top of the pole with, but I have to make up my mind soon, this 'DB' DF means business, it's about to reach the top and I need the trellis-crown installed before that happens.
Title: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: wslau on April 04, 2014, 11:45:22 PM
I tried dragonfruit for the the first time this week.
It was a Vetnamese dragonfruit bought at 99 Ranch Market for $2.99/lb (1 lb).

(http://s29.postimg.org/6gj0x490j/vietnamese_dragonfruit.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6gj0x490j/)
The flesh was white.  The texture was like a kiwi, but there was no tartness, little to mild sweetness, and no flavor that I could dinstinctly describe. 
My family was somewhat disappointed with this white-fleshed Vietnamese dragonfruit.  I thought perhaps it could be put in a salad, similar to what some people do with jicama.

I haven't given up on dragonfruit yet.  I hear that some of the other varieties have more flavor, sweetness, and tartness.  I received some cuttings of Halley's Comet and Quang Ong White from fyliu....so we'll see what these are like in a year or two.
Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: Osito on April 04, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
I've had better luck with home grown. Much sweeter. Picked right before they split. I think it's like cherimoya. Store bought is quite a gamble
Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: simon_grow on April 05, 2014, 12:25:49 AM
I'm sorry that your first taste of Dragonfruit was a 99 Ranch white fleshed variety. I would have recommended that you pass on it, it's like the Tommy Atkins of Dragonfruit. You should go to a dragonfruit tasting so that you can try multiple varieties. I really like Halley's Comet and American Beauty. They are both much tastier and sweeter than the common white.
Simon
Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: fyliu on April 05, 2014, 01:35:56 AM
There's a white variety called Jamaican Red that's pretty nice. It's available from San Diego CRFG members.

I also went and bought a 99 Ranch fruit after I had been growing it. Very disappointing experience and it might have made me not want to grow it had I not tasted the good ones like Valdivia Roja fruit from the Irvine Field Station. They used to give out free fruits to people that could get to San Marcos when they got fruit. I got bags and boxes of them back then.

Warren, I still have a few large cuttings you could have. I'm not sure how good Purple Haze is but I heard it was good.
Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: wslau on April 05, 2014, 02:36:31 AM
Warren, I still have a few large cuttings you could have. I'm not sure how good Purple Haze is but I heard it was good.
Sure.  I sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: Viking Guy on April 05, 2014, 03:09:08 AM
Definitely try American Beauty.  It's a night and day difference.

Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: gunnar429 on April 05, 2014, 07:59:03 AM
i hear the purple fleshed types are tasty...and the yellow are supposed to be sweet.
Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: RodneyS on April 05, 2014, 05:06:29 PM
Warren, I'll let you know when my dragonfruit plants have fruits, so you can see what they really taste like. 
Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 05, 2014, 10:24:42 PM
Definitely try American Beauty.  It's a night and day difference.

What does it taste like? 

Any one know of a place where I can mail order the fruit in.  Don't want to waste my time on something we might not like.
Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: fyliu on April 06, 2014, 01:39:22 AM
Maybe someone on the forum can send you a few.
I don't get much fruits or else I would be happy to. We'll see this year.
Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: wslau on April 06, 2014, 03:48:51 AM
Warren, I'll let you know when my dragonfruit plants have fruits, so you can see what they really taste like.
Thanks Rodney! I'll take you up on your offer.
Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: nch on April 06, 2014, 05:40:32 AM
Rodney, may I join Warren for the tasting too? My white DF (probably Vietnamese variety) produces very bland fruits, but they are huge (1 1/2 lb, if I remember correctly).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JeffDM on April 08, 2014, 08:35:43 PM
Just ate my first Dragon Fruit and now I need to put more effort into growing my own because I can't afford to buy them
 :)
The seeds scrape off easily without messing up the fruit so I can sprout some seedlings and they were OK to eat unlike the seeds of some guavas.
I bought them at the Fruit Shop on Convoy St. in San Diego.

(http://s11.postimg.org/k80ii588v/IMG_2583.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/k80ii588v/)


(http://s7.postimg.org/aavz1z2mf/IMG_2585.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/aavz1z2mf/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on April 08, 2014, 11:07:25 PM
Slap a paper napkin on the flat cut surface and you can pull away several seeds easily. I found that out at a tasting event eating wedges using napkins.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on April 08, 2014, 11:12:22 PM
This Thread is in the cutting with reguard to DF. And, on a different topic, from what I've read on this Thread, 'American Beauty' DF rocks.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: RodneyS on April 08, 2014, 11:44:44 PM
Jeff, I have several varieties that I can take cuttings from.  Growing DF from cuttings is a lot faster
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dezperado on April 09, 2014, 04:55:38 PM
Well, this is my first post here. I´ve read the entire thread and it has become one of the most helpful site regarding DF.

I`ve planted 8 DF cuttings in January (American Beauty, Halleys Comet, Purple Haze and Physical Graffitti) thanks to RodneyS  :D

I´ve made a few mistakes that i think its important for others to see (or know):
The first one regards water: I put 1 litre (0,2 gallons) every week in winter (temperatures 35-50 F) in a spot with 2 hours of sun. This was a very serious mistake and after a month I could see that some cuttings were losing the green colour. It was a too wet environment. I stop watering them.  You don´t need water if the cutting doesn´t have roots...
American Beauty was the first to be moved to a full sun spot. Here it is a yellowish cutting:


(http://s21.postimg.org/txistur8j/DSC_0006.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/txistur8j/)

Rooting started after the soil was dry. After one month in full sun (50-77 F):

(http://s17.postimg.org/q30b8wrwr/DSC_0054.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/q30b8wrwr/)

The other cutting that was almost lost was a Purple Haze one. It developed brown patches and it began to look very skinny, with a perfect "six pack":


(http://s9.postimg.org/uaxhhvxm3/DSC_0004.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/uaxhhvxm3/)

So, the same again, stop watering it, full sun and only water after i check roots. After one month:

(http://s22.postimg.org/nbhbfz6t9/DSC_0052.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/nbhbfz6t9/)

And... since a few days ago, the worst cutting striked back and became the first one with buds:


(http://s10.postimg.org/pdggvdf5h/DSC_0062.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/pdggvdf5h/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on April 10, 2014, 09:50:10 AM
Olá amigo! It's good to know more Portuguese people here! Congratulations and good luck! ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on April 10, 2014, 10:43:47 AM
what a resilient/forgiving plant that can be so yellow and soggy and then bounce back so nicely! 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Juanita on April 28, 2014, 01:00:26 AM
Hello everyone, just introducing myself.  I will be lurking and learning while waiting for my cuttings to arrive.

I live in the low desert of Mohave, similar climate to Phoenix.  This is a small town and there are no dragon fruit plants at the local nursery, so I am ordering cuttings from a vendor on ebay.  I have lemons, limes, and orange trees in the yard and I assumed that if limes grow here, dragon fruit should grow as well. 

Thanks to all of you for sharing your knowledge here, I am learning much.

 
Title: Re: Tried dragonfruit for the first time
Post by: Viking Guy on April 28, 2014, 05:28:36 AM
Definitely try American Beauty.  It's a night and day difference.

What does it taste like? 

Any one know of a place where I can mail order the fruit in.  Don't want to waste my time on something we might not like.

Sorry Mark, I missed your question.

I would suggest contacting tropicalfruitgrowers.com.  They will ship you many varieties of tropical fruit for you to try.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dezperado on May 02, 2014, 03:01:50 PM
A few days ago I started noticing what I think it could be a flower bud on a cutting. I planted this in January. Is this possible???

(http://s21.postimg.org/mqy27l0mr/DSC_0104.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mqy27l0mr/)



(http://s27.postimg.org/dy9lnkmfj/DSC_0106.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/dy9lnkmfj/)




Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dezperado on May 02, 2014, 03:09:34 PM
One more


(http://s23.postimg.org/v2ep4urif/DSC_0107.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/v2ep4urif/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on May 02, 2014, 04:06:44 PM
One more


([url]http://s23.postimg.org/v2ep4urif/DSC_0107.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/v2ep4urif/[/url])
How lucky!!! Sortudo!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on May 02, 2014, 06:11:55 PM
A few days ago I started noticing what I think it could be a flower bud on a cutting. I planted this in January. Is this possible???

([url]http://s21.postimg.org/mqy27l0mr/DSC_0104.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/mqy27l0mr/[/url])



([url]http://s27.postimg.org/dy9lnkmfj/DSC_0106.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/dy9lnkmfj/[/url])
Yes, very possible for a newly rooted cutting to have a flower bud. Just don't have your hopes too high ;D One of mine Purple Haze cutting, was like that too, but the flower bud never develop and dried/dropped off. I'm guessing, since, not enough root system has develop  to support a fruit/flower yet. As it had just been rooted not too long ago and develop a strong root system for supporting such energy consuming growth yet. Though, I have seen online  pictures of some cuttings with a fully mature fruit developing from it.

The reason for cuttings to develop such as that, is mainly due to being older mature cuttings, it came from. Either your cutting cam from a long branch that had previous fruit on it or is going to develop a flower bud, but was trimmed off.

BTW, that is a flower bud,  congrats, hope it makes it to maturity and not dried and drop off  :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dezperado on May 02, 2014, 06:39:13 PM
A few days ago I started noticing what I think it could be a flower bud on a cutting. I planted this in January. Is this possible???

([url]http://s21.postimg.org/mqy27l0mr/DSC_0104.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/mqy27l0mr/[/url])



([url]http://s27.postimg.org/dy9lnkmfj/DSC_0106.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/dy9lnkmfj/[/url])
Yes, very possible for a newly rooted cutting to have a flower bud. Just don't have your hopes too high ;D One of mine Purple Haze cutting, was like that too, but the flower bud never develop and dried/dropped off. I'm guessing, since, not enough root system has develop  to support a fruit/flower yet. As it had just been rooted not too long ago and develop a strong root system for supporting such energy consuming growth yet. Though, I have seen online  pictures of some cuttings with a fully mature fruit developing from it.

The reason for cuttings to develop such as that, is mainly due to being older mature cuttings, it came from. Either your cutting cam from a long branch that had previous fruit on it or is going to develop a flower bud, but was trimmed off.

BTW, that is a flower bud,  congrats, hope it makes it to maturity and not dried and drop off  :)



Thanks :-)   If it dries off I now know it is normal and there are reasons for doing so.  Thanks once again!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ben mango on May 02, 2014, 06:46:33 PM
Wow didnt know there's so many varieties. Which is encouraging because the big ones I've had here are not that sweet. Except the small yellow and pink/ red ones.  They are juicy and sweet.  Unfortunately people here just call them by their color and not an actual name ...
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on May 02, 2014, 11:24:40 PM
It was on the Big Island Hawaii where I discovered Dragon Fruit at a local farmer's market.

Like thao said, it is not uncommon for cuttings from an older mature stem to produce flowers.

I even got fruit once last Fall.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/cuttingflower_3815_zps49137655.jpg)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/cuttingfruit_3893_zpsee232e18.jpg)

And it tasted very good!   ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on May 13, 2014, 12:07:32 AM
Hi everyone! How much time a cutting nead to fruit?


I got my first bunch (7 total) of cuttings in Aug 2011, the all looked pretty much like this in February 2012.

A month later in August 2013, Dark Star looked like this.
([url]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/DS_08-23-13_zpsedf2415c.jpg[/url])

I got fruit from all 7 this year. So from cuttings in Aug 2011 to fruit harvesting 2 years later in Aug 2013.
And not all had as much growth as the Dark Star, here is my Vietnamese Jaina with flowers from Sept this year.
([url]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/VJ_09-13-13_zps322714c1.jpg[/url])
 
DM


OK, great, now I realized where I went wrong. I should have picked a squared width pole for my dragonfruit and not a circular width pole. So, back to square one, I may have to figure out a new 'crown' configuration for the top of my round-width 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit pole. And, I've got no time to waste, the 'Dragon' has climbed the pole and surpassed it by two feet already.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on May 14, 2014, 11:46:19 PM
I think I've figured out how to properly install the wood 'crown,' that appears in the above picture, on top of my round peg post.

At the top of the post, I'll cut out some indentations, about the width of the 2''X4'' wood, perpendicular to and on opposite sides at the top of the pole. The whole thing will then be secured by a standard screw-lug on each side of the top of the pole, just as shown in the pictures above. In this way, after the 'crown' is secured by the two screws, the indentations will hold the crown in place, and prevent the weight of future dragon fruit tentacles, to collapse the 'wood crown' towards one side or the other.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on May 15, 2014, 12:18:31 AM
I think I've figured out how to properly install the wood 'crown,' that appears in the above picture, on top of my round peg post.
At the top of the post, I'll cut out some indentations, about the width of the 2''X4'' wood, perpendicular to and on opposite sides at the top of the pole. The whole thing will then be secured by a standard screw-lug on each side of the top of the pole, just as shown in the pictures above. In this way, after the 'crown' is secured by the two screws, the indentations will hold the crown in place, and prevent the weight of future dragon fruit tentacles, to collapse the 'wood crown' towards one side or the other.


You could always drill two holes, at right angle, near the top and insert 1/2" rebar making a four-spoke support for 6" x 6" heavy wire mesh like they did at the UC Irvine test field.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/post_1795_zps14531888.jpg)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/df_post_1799_zps616b0364.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Yorgos on May 15, 2014, 01:50:53 PM
I have an AmericanBeauty in the ground going on three years.  No production yet.  It was hammered this winter and i did not protect it at all. 
Very Darwinian of me, but it has lived.  Its in a raised bed and gets good sun (6 hours/day or so).  I wonder if the Houston humidity affects it?  I have it
on a south facing 7 foot fence. No pictures at this tme since it looks very ragged.  My neighbor keeps wacking at the branches that grow over or through
the fence on her side.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on May 15, 2014, 02:52:12 PM
I have an AmericanBeauty in the ground going on three years.  No production yet.  It was hammered this winter and i did not protect it at all. 
Very Darwinian of me, but it has lived.  Its in a raised bed and gets good sun (6 hours/day or so).  I wonder if the Houston humidity affects it?  I have it
on a south facing 7 foot fence. No pictures at this tme since it looks very ragged.  My neighbor keeps wacking at the branches that grow over or through
the fence on her side.

I use to tell people to expect fruit in about three years when growing from a cutting.

Recently I have been told that a Dragon Fruit plant needs a certain amount of weight (total foliage) to produce fruit.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on May 15, 2014, 05:58:28 PM
10 hours of sun is the trigger. Moderately yellow branches with some green is a good thing as long as it doesn't burn. No more nitrogen fertilizer. Maybe add some potassium and just keep waiting. They do like to flower at the end of hanging branches so if that's what your neighbor whacked off, it's not good but at least she didn't whack off the fruits. Maybe you should be the one cutting it back a Few inches from the fence and let it flower.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on May 15, 2014, 08:59:13 PM
I think I've figured out how to properly install the wood 'crown,' that appears in the above picture, on top of my round peg post.
At the top of the post, I'll cut out some indentations, about the width of the 2''X4'' wood, perpendicular to and on opposite sides at the top of the pole. The whole thing will then be secured by a standard screw-lug on each side of the top of the pole, just as shown in the pictures above. In this way, after the 'crown' is secured by the two screws, the indentations will hold the crown in place, and prevent the weight of future dragon fruit tentacles, to collapse the 'wood crown' towards one side or the other.

You could always drill two holes, at right angle, near the top and insert 1/2" rebar making a four-spoke support for 6" x 6" heavy wire mesh like they did at the UC Irvine test field.

 

Thanks for your suggestion. And, yes, although the wire mesh method is another valid option that I've seen at nurseries, I regard it to be somewhat industrious looking. I prefer the wood 'crown' method because it appears to me as somewhat more domestic. Nevertheless, I'm planning on using pressure treated wood, the same as the pole. Now that everything seems to be planned out, it's time for action. I'll report back when its all said and done.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on May 15, 2014, 09:10:46 PM
Is the crown attached to the plant post?

I'm doing a different thing where there's a wide wooden frame that stands on it's own. 10ft x 5ft. Then there are lets say 20 plants under the frame that are trained to go up and over it. This way I can remove varieties that aren't tasty and I don't have to make a frame for each plant or set of plants. My frame has good support since there's a lot of weight on it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on May 15, 2014, 10:53:02 PM
Thanks for your suggestion. And, yes, although the wire mesh method is another valid option that I've seen at nurseries, I regard it to be somewhat industrious looking. I prefer the wood 'crown' method because it appears to me as somewhat more domestic. Nevertheless, I'm planning on using pressure treated wood, the same as the pole. Now that everything seems to be planned out, it's time for action. I'll report back when its all said and done.

I agree that the rebar and wire mesh method is not the best looking method.

For me...  I like the permanence of 'concrete'.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NathanC on May 17, 2014, 01:35:29 AM
Hmm ... I used to have a passion for dragonfruit, but now that I just started my yard, there doesn't seem to be enough room. I don't know, but it seems that dragonfruit is nor as popular and received by the public as citrus, mostly because of a bad experience with a store bought one. I'm mostly thinking mangoes, citrus and passionfruit. I seems like dragonfruit is simply just super sweet and 'refreshing', but citrus covers that. The super sweet factor made me change my mind of figs as well. Can someone remind me why dragonfruit is worth growing?  :-\
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on May 17, 2014, 01:36:36 AM
Yes, the wood 'crown' is attached to the DF pole.

I too like the permanence of quality concrete, but what does this have to do with Dragon Fruit? Are you saying that DF can thrive climbing concrete?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on May 17, 2014, 08:05:27 PM
i think it looks cool when fully grown on the pole.  Plus, some of the purple types are not bland.  Definitely not top tier though.  But who else in your area is growing DF?  I bet lots of ppl are growing citrus. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: HMHausman on May 18, 2014, 09:58:11 PM
Hmm ... I used to have a passion for dragonfruit, but now that I just started my yard, there doesn't seem to be enough room. I don't know, but it seems that dragonfruit is nor as popular and received by the public as citrus, mostly because of a bad experience with a store bought one. I'm mostly thinking mangoes, citrus and passionfruit. I seems like dragonfruit is simply just super sweet and 'refreshing', but citrus covers that. The super sweet factor made me change my mind of figs as well. Can someone remind me why dragonfruit is worth growing?  :-\

For me, its refreshing, pleasantly, but not overly sweet......has some sub-acidity in most of the ones I grow....the plants grow virtually maintenance free.....the flowers are spectacular.......and the fuschia fleshed ones are so vibrantly colored that the sheer beauty of them makes them interesting.  Other than that.....there's no resaon to bother.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on May 18, 2014, 10:03:12 PM
Dragonfruit's drought tolerance and a good reason to grow it. DF can produce large excellent tasting fruits, that are visually appealing.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on May 19, 2014, 09:47:56 AM
Is 5 hours of sunlight enough for dragonfruit?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on May 19, 2014, 01:03:36 PM
Is 5 hours of sunlight enough for dragonfruit?
It may not be enough to induce flowering. I have always heard 10 hours. You can always try and if not enough, provide supplement lighting for the missing hours.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on May 19, 2014, 02:10:05 PM
maybe I can let them grow up and over the roof area (15ft) ...then they will get more sun. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on May 19, 2014, 02:19:36 PM
maybe I can let them grow up and over the roof area (15ft) ...then they will get more sun.

If you have some palm trees you can grow them up the trunks.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on May 19, 2014, 02:42:54 PM
maybe I can let them grow up and over the roof area (15ft) ...then they will get more sun.

If you have some palm trees you can grow them up the trunks.


So, then I would just need to build a ring/crown around the trunk at a certain height so the limbs can hang over?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on May 19, 2014, 05:48:59 PM

If you have some palm trees you can grow them up the trunks.

and climb the palm tree to pollinate the flowers and later to pick the fruit.   ::)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on May 19, 2014, 05:52:28 PM

If you have some palm trees you can grow them up the trunks.

and climb the palm tree to pollinate the flowers and later to pick the fruit.   ::)

Self pollinating varieties and a ladder and or a pole fruit picker.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on May 19, 2014, 06:20:07 PM
maybe I can let them grow up and over the roof area (15ft) ...then they will get more sun.


If you have some palm trees you can grow them up the trunks.



So, then I would just need to build a ring/crown around the trunk at a certain height so the limbs can hang over?


Buy a bunch of these  ;)


(http://s30.postimg.org/4twmpi0nx/basketball_hoop.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4twmpi0nx/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on May 19, 2014, 07:04:40 PM
maybe I can let them grow up and over the roof area (15ft) ...then they will get more sun.

If you have some palm trees you can grow them up the trunks.


So, then I would just need to build a ring/crown around the trunk at a certain height so the limbs can hang over?

I am growing dragon fruit up various queen and coconut palm trees. I plan to grow it straight up the trunk. When it has gone up a good 6-10ft, I plan to detach sections and let them hang. Reinforcing the vines with flexible rope/wire.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on May 20, 2014, 10:36:24 PM
I can't wait for the day when one of these organizations/people that are growing hundreds of Dragon Fruits from seed, in the USA, when they announce the good news that they've selected a new DF variety with a sweetness that rivals that of mango or lychee or jackfruit or...
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on May 20, 2014, 10:50:23 PM
leooel u got a reference to that?   would like 2 know more.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NathanC on May 20, 2014, 10:54:58 PM
Maybe I'll grow what I truly want, the yellow dragonfruit, and a 'Condor' dargonfruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: demingcr on May 26, 2014, 09:18:54 PM
First flower! Hand pollinated with a paint brush. Raining tonight so hopefully bugs come out later and finish the job if i didnt do a good enough one. Unknown Var, sold from nursery as a 'Good variety. White flesh'

...forgot picture haha


(http://s24.postimg.org/y2v4pyqsh/20140526_210131.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/y2v4pyqsh/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NathanC on May 26, 2014, 09:55:40 PM
Congratulations on your first dragonfruit flower!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on May 27, 2014, 04:57:37 PM

(http://s24.postimg.org/3xct55y41/001.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3xct55y41/)
I have been having problems with fruit fly maggots. Got these very cheep on ebay [ ~$5.60/50 ] & I am testing but seems like may not be big en ought; was hard to get on but that do to the scale on the fruit.
The pore size of the netting is very small, perhaps spider mites could get in? Also wonder if heat build up will be a problem?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on May 27, 2014, 05:00:42 PM
([url]http://s24.postimg.org/3xct55y41/001.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/3xct55y41/[/url])
I have been having problems with fruit fly maggots. Got these very cheep on ebay [ ~$5.60/50 ] & I am testing but seems like may not be big en ought; was hard to get on but that do to the scale on the fruit.
The pore size of the netting is very small, perhaps spider mites could get in? Also wonder if heat build up will be a problem?


How big are the netting?

What are they intended for?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on May 27, 2014, 05:07:28 PM
The bags are 5 X 7 " & the netting very fine/ bags used for gifts
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on May 27, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
The bags are 5 X 7 " & the netting very fine/ bags used for gifts


For larger size bags you can use 1 gallon paint strainer bags.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41LeLbxNpeL._SX300_.jpg)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/paintstrainer_1821_zpsbb25e835.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on May 27, 2014, 09:00:02 PM
The problem is the cost. What I am using is about 10 cents/bag delivered.
but may have to bite the bigger bullet?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on May 29, 2014, 05:11:14 PM
And so it starts...
Dark Star has 18 flowers opening tonight.
About a week and a half ago, I started counting flower buds on the DS, gave up counting at 52.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/DS_05-29-2014_zps261f41e5.jpg)

Physical Graffiti has 12 flowers opening tonight.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/PG_05-29-2014_zps09663c14.jpg)

Purple Haze has 7 flowers opening tonight.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/PH_05-29-2014_zpsf589fef2.jpg)

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on May 29, 2014, 05:13:20 PM
WOW!!

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/faces/barney-fife_zpsaa68a3eb.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on May 29, 2014, 08:31:57 PM
when rooting cuttings, does one have to make the cut at the node (small branch like section between "pads") or can the cut just be made as a cross section of the stalk?  In other words, if i have a DF vine that has two sections (sorry i don't know what to call them off hand), but is 3 ft long, can I make several cuttings from it, or only 2 cuttings, one for each section?

Thanks for your help
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on May 29, 2014, 09:05:21 PM
You can cut anywhere. The size of your pieces will determine how fast they'll grow to maturity. If you make a small enough piece, it will revert to a juvenile state where new growth is thin and fuzzy rather than with thicker thorns.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on May 29, 2014, 10:41:34 PM
You can cut anywhere. The size of your pieces will determine how fast they'll grow to maturity. If you make a small enough piece, it will revert to a juvenile state where new growth is thin and fuzzy rather than with thicker thorns.

Speaking of "thin and fuzzy"...  all of the DF I grew from seed (in Sept. 2011) is still in the juvenile state.   :-\
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LarryG on May 29, 2014, 11:08:06 PM
I took this photo just before sunset this evening of some flowers getting ready to open for the evening. These are all a white fleshed variety that has overgrown my orchid house. This will be the 3rd night of blooms with more to come tomorrow night. Maybe it has already been mentioned in this very long thread, but my experience has been that most flowering occurs around the full moon. It's interesting to note that last evening was the new moon.

(http://s29.postimg.org/6u071zkqb/DSCN2900.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6u071zkqb/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on May 30, 2014, 12:05:54 AM
I am very amazed at just how fast these plants grow! Below are the pictures comparing  January to March and the growth in just 2 months!


January 2012

([url]http://s15.postimage.org/isdp9iuyv/20111231_163333.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/isdp9iuyv/[/url])


Would that burlap material work over treated wood?

I've been contemplating using treated posts but then nail rough ceder over it. Termites are ruthless. Dont get me started. I even had them set up on a wooden shelf I built ont eh patio, and I discovered then when they entered a big pile of DF cuttings thru their cut ends and ate out the insides.  :'(
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on May 30, 2014, 12:09:44 AM
Oh Marin I am sorry to hear about the accident!

I agree telling the difference between cultivars is difficult and I honestly have no clue where to start. Speaking of ID-ing DF cultivars my brother recently brought home some cuttings from a friends neighbor without any info about the DF. I have provided pics of the new cuttings next to the currently growing cuttings we gathered from the wild DF in Boca Raton. The noticeable difference is that the new cuttings are dark green, have 7 spines, and are thicker. Any help with cultivar ID is much appreciated.

New cutting on left in dark green.
([url]http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/05e7c0d7.jpg[/url])

Seven spines on new cutting.
([url]http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/0a7778dd.jpg[/url])

Only four spines on wild boca raton find.
([url]http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/ff5567b1.jpg[/url])


Looks like Sword Pear. My front yard is like a forest of the stuff. FL native. Stout, freestanding erect 'monstrosity' version of DF. Havent tried growing them on top of each other yet... Fruits can fill one hand, orange-red on inside, red on outside, much larger seeds than even Peruvian Apple Cactus. Really cool landscaping feature. Likes to get twisted all into stands of Palmettos.

I feel this species is way under-recognized / under-utilized. Grows like monsters here in FL. Strikingly similar to dragon fruit in appearance and such. Should be able to make some interesting grafting opportunities probably ideally as DF rootstock, but haven't gotten that far with experimenting with it yet...
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on May 30, 2014, 12:13:16 AM
Paul Thomson's hybrids:
- Halley's Comet
- Physical Graffiti (fastest growing)
- Delight
- S8 (Voodoo Child, Arizona Purple)

Does that mean Voodoo & AZ Purple are the same thing (S8)?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on May 30, 2014, 12:28:38 AM
Oh Marin I am sorry to hear about the accident!

I agree telling the difference between cultivars is difficult and I honestly have no clue where to start. Speaking of ID-ing DF cultivars my brother recently brought home some cuttings from a friends neighbor without any info about the DF. I have provided pics of the new cuttings next to the currently growing cuttings we gathered from the wild DF in Boca Raton. The noticeable difference is that the new cuttings are dark green, have 7 spines, and are thicker. Any help with cultivar ID is much appreciated.

New cutting on left in dark green.
([url]http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/05e7c0d7.jpg[/url])

Seven spines on new cutting.
([url]http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/0a7778dd.jpg[/url])

Only four spines on wild boca raton find.
([url]http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/joep450/ff5567b1.jpg[/url])


Looks like Sword Pear. My front yard is like a forest of the stuff. FL native. Stout, freestanding erect 'monstrosity' version of DF. Havent tried growing them on top of each other yet... Fruits can fill one hand, orange-red on inside, red on outside, much larger seeds than even Peruvian Apple Cactus. Flowers much smaller but kind of cooler looking. Really cool landscaping feature. Likes to get twisted all into stands of Palmettos.

I feel this species is way under-recognized / under-utilized. Grows like monsters here in FL. Strikingly similar to dragon fruit in appearance and such. Should be able to make some interesting grafting opportunities probably ideally as DF rootstock, but haven't gotten that far with experimenting with it yet...
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on May 30, 2014, 07:03:54 AM

Would that burlap material work over treated wood?


All my trellises are made of pressure treated pine with burlap wrapped around the vertical post.

Dark Star this morning.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/DS_05-30-2014_zps9e43c44c.jpg)

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: rovha on May 31, 2014, 10:48:57 PM
my reaction:
(http://thebigtino.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/wow2.gif)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Coconut on May 31, 2014, 11:14:40 PM

Would that burlap material work over treated wood?


All my trellises are made of pressure treated pine with burlap wrapped around the vertical post.

Dark Star this morning.
([url]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/DS_05-30-2014_zps9e43c44c.jpg[/url])

DM


Wow those flowers are of beauty & smell so good at night, sometime I cant wait for my fruit to develop & steam the unopened young flower bud with steam pompano in a balsamic demi-glaze, delicious beside the fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dante on June 02, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
I am new here and i need some help. I plan to use a 6 feet post and use a big pot. The fear i have is of the post  falling. Which is the best metod to hold the post in place against weight or weather(we got lots of hurricanes here in puerto rico). I dont think the dirt i use will be enough.

Ill am thinking of using a concrete block.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on June 13, 2014, 11:02:50 AM
I am curious about using a tree stump.  I have an almond tree and a coconut tree that were cut off at 5-6 feet tall.  The plan is to run the DF vines up the stumps, but I am concerned that the tree stumps, especially the coconut will rot away and just when the vines get growing, and are heavy.  Should I abandon this notion, and cut down the stumps and just use PT lumber?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on June 13, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
btw, for those who i promised cuttings to, i haven't forgetten about you.  I will mail them out soon.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Josh-Los-Angeles on June 13, 2014, 11:15:44 AM
I am new here and i need some help. I plan to use a 6 feet post and use a big pot. The fear i have is of the post  falling. Which is the best metod to hold the post in place against weight or weather(we got lots of hurricanes here in puerto rico). I dont think the dirt i use will be enough.

Ill am thinking of using a concrete block.


Hey Dante, made this out of 18" 1x4s with a 15 gal pot inside. The uprights are 2x2s:


(http://s30.postimg.org/rmswryn2l/dragon_fruit_1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/rmswryn2l/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: savemejebus on June 13, 2014, 01:39:13 PM
Bought a couple fruit from an Asian market in Orlando. Always a gamble cutting them open, and I was disappointed to see white inside. Whatever variety they were, they were completely bland/flavorless. Like a kiwi with no taste. I think we threw away half of the second one this morning as it wasn't't worth the effort.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on June 13, 2014, 02:12:32 PM
Does your market have red fleshed fruits at all? If they do and dump them in the same pile, then you should look for the orange-skinned ones. The pink ones will be white. The markets near me have only white ones so I don't bother. After weeks of transport from Asia the fruit wouldhave used up what little sugar it had to begin with. Many white varieties do have some sugar when eaten off the vine. Unlike traditional fruits, they sugar down if you leave them for a while.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on June 13, 2014, 03:39:54 PM
I think we threw away half of the second one this morning as it wasn't't worth the effort.

How much effort is there in preparing Dragon fruit, slice it in half & scoop it out with a spoon. ;D
More effort than eating grapes, less than peeling & eating a banana.

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: savemejebus on June 13, 2014, 03:54:37 PM
more like... wasn't worth the caloric intake for eating something with no flavor. It was as bland as bland can be and nobody was really interested in eating it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on June 13, 2014, 08:15:30 PM
yeah those vietnamese jaina DFs give the fruit a bad rep
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: NathanC on June 13, 2014, 09:57:33 PM
My 'Physical Graffiti' stopped growing during the winter and well into the spring. I started watering it everyday, and it has finally pushed for new growth. However, the entire plant looks unhealthy, as it is light green and has light brown spots. What should I do?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 13, 2014, 10:07:21 PM
yeah those vietnamese jaina DFs give the fruit a bad rep

Apparently you have not tasted good white fleshed DF or don't like DF.

When I vacationed in Vietnam, Dragon Fruit was available at every hotel for breakfast. My wife and I ate it every morning and liked it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on June 15, 2014, 01:23:04 AM
Paul Thomson's hybrids:
- Halley's Comet
- Physical Graffiti (fastest growing)
- Delight
- S8 (Voodoo Child, Arizona Purple)

Does that mean Voodoo & AZ Purple are the same thing (S8)?
There were some confusion about that but forum members with experience said they're different. I only have AZ purple.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MangCau on June 15, 2014, 01:54:38 AM
Paul Thomson's hybrids:
- Halley's Comet
- Physical Graffiti (fastest growing)
- Delight
- S8 (Voodoo Child, Arizona Purple)

Does that mean Voodoo & AZ Purple are the same thing (S8)?
There were some confusion about that but forum members with experience said they're different. I only have AZ purple.
Adding to the confusion....Is voodoo child the same as American beauty and is home depot red DFvoodoo child?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on June 15, 2014, 02:10:43 AM
american beauty is much larger than voodoo child
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on June 15, 2014, 07:26:38 AM
My 'Physical Graffiti' stopped growing during the winter and well into the spring. I started watering it everyday, and it has finally pushed for new growth. However, the entire plant looks unhealthy, as it is light green and has light brown spots. What should I do?

You can apply vigor boosters such as Atonik, Chitosan and/or Brassinolide.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on June 15, 2014, 10:00:32 AM
Dragonfruit responds well to fertilizers. They grow really well when it warms up and they also like a lot of water. My vines turn slightly yellowish in winter and get their color back when it warms up.

Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 15, 2014, 12:30:23 PM
Adding to the confusion....Is voodoo child the same as American beauty and is home depot red DFvoodoo child?


La Verne Nursery's "Red" (Home Depot and Lowe's) was one of the first Dragon Fruit I bought.

This year I already have 14 flower buds on my 4 year old plant and 6 flowers have opened in the last couple of days.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/lowes_4537_zps66df118c.jpg)

La Verne "Red" is Not self-fertile.

IMO, the plant and fruit resemble the named Dragon Fruit variety "Armando".

At the last Pitahaya Festival, there was talk that the Voodoo Child is close to S-8 "Sugar Dragon", but not the exact same plant.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Josh-Los-Angeles on June 15, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
Adding to the confusion....Is voodoo child the same as American beauty and is home depot red DFvoodoo child?

La Verne Nursery's "Red" (Home Depot and Lowe's) was one of the first Dragon Fruit I bought.

This year I already have 14 flower buds on my 4 year old plant and 6 flowers have opened in the last couple of days.

La Verne "Red" is Not self-fertile.

IMO, the plant and fruit resemble the named Dragon Fruit variety "Armando".

At the last Pitahaya Festival, there was talk that the Voodoo Child is close to S-8 "Sugar Dragon", but not the exact same plant.

Hey Rickshaw, I think it was you who talked me into returning the La Verne red, appreciate it :) I ended up buying Haley's Comet and American Beauty. I have a couple cuttings of Haley if you or anyone in LA wants them.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on June 15, 2014, 01:50:47 PM
Wow, the stigma tip is green! I don't think I've seen that before. They're all doer of yellow.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 15, 2014, 08:18:15 PM
Haley's (Halley's) Comet is one of my favorite from taste test at Pitahaya Festivals.

I hope to get flowers this year.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/halleys_4528_zps7829eb9d.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on June 15, 2014, 08:34:54 PM
Nice Halley's Comet.  Is that a flower but I see near the tip of that really long branch at about 2 o clock in the picture, its about the level of the white flowers?

Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 15, 2014, 08:42:26 PM
Nice Halley's Comet.  Is that a flower but I see near the tip of that really long branch at about 2 o clock in the picture, its about the level of the white flowers?
Simon

No, I wish!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: emegar on June 15, 2014, 11:11:05 PM
My first bloom, from a couple of nights ago. It's American Beauty, which I understand to be self fertile, so I tried hand pollinating it. It hasn't aborted yet, so I'm hopeful.
(http://s30.postimg.org/pozirtffx/20140613_191731.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/pozirtffx/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread. When to pick?
Post by: jc on June 23, 2014, 06:59:48 PM
I have five dragon fruit beginning to color up. I have no idea what variety it is. It's supposed to be red/purple flesh variety. When should they be picked?
(http://s30.postimg.org/w93oqahrx/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/w93oqahrx/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Juanita on June 23, 2014, 08:43:23 PM
I am curious about using a tree stump.  I have an almond tree and a coconut tree that were cut off at 5-6 feet tall.  The plan is to run the DF vines up the stumps, but I am concerned that the tree stumps, especially the coconut will rot away and just when the vines get growing, and are heavy.  Should I abandon this notion, and cut down the stumps and just use PT lumber?

I am faced with the same dilemma here re' planting DF against a cut palm.  I have been waiting for the answers to this question.  I am leaning toward just taking a chainsaw to the 6' palm stump that I had reserved for the exact same concerns you raised.  I don't want to take the risk that the Palm carcass will suddenly give way in 4 years leaving me with a pile of broken DF cuttings instead of a vibrant fruiting Beauty. 

If anyone has used dead palm trunks for DF trellis, please chime in.  I am still on the fence but leaning more and more towards the chainsaw and yet another Hugelkultur.

I decided to plant a couple of DF against the Palo Brea stump.  We left it about 6' tall for this purpose.  Although Palo Brea wood is about as soft as pine wood, at least the girth of the trunk should allow us many years of DF support... I hope...

Your almond wood should be more dense than Palo Brea wood.  Did you decide to use it?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 23, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
I think it is better if the tree stump is alive.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on June 23, 2014, 10:06:45 PM
I am curious about using a tree stump.  I have an almond tree and a coconut tree that were cut off at 5-6 feet tall.  The plan is to run the DF vines up the stumps, but I am concerned that the tree stumps, especially the coconut will rot away and just when the vines get growing, and are heavy.  Should I abandon this notion, and cut down the stumps and just use PT lumber?

I am faced with the same dilemma here re' planting DF against a cut palm.  I have been waiting for the answers to this question.  I am leaning toward just taking a chainsaw to the 6' palm stump that I had reserved for the exact same concerns you raised.  I don't want to take the risk that the Palm carcass will suddenly give way in 4 years leaving me with a pile of broken DF cuttings instead of a vibrant fruiting Beauty. 

If anyone has used dead palm trunks for DF trellis, please chime in.  I am still on the fence but leaning more and more towards the chainsaw and yet another Hugelkultur.

I decided to plant a couple of DF against the Palo Brea stump.  We left it about 6' tall for this purpose.  Although Palo Brea wood is about as soft as pine wood, at least the girth of the trunk should allow us many years of DF support... I hope...

Your almond wood should be more dense than Palo Brea wood.  Did you decide to use it?

Unless the tree is hardwood, this is probably not a good idea (or as ricshaw says, if the stump is still alive).


You could get a length of large diameter pipe, fill this with concrete and set this in the ground. If you set the post at a depth of 4 feet with a concrete footing, it isn't going to fall over. Especially if you use the top mounted piece I came up with :D

s
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on June 24, 2014, 05:04:20 AM
Adding to the confusion....Is voodoo child the same as American beauty and is home depot red DFvoodoo child?


La Verne Nursery's "Red" (Home Depot and Lowe's) was one of the first Dragon Fruit I bought.

This year I already have 14 flower buds on my 4 year old plant and 6 flowers have opened in the last couple of days.

([url]http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/lowes_4537_zps66df118c.jpg[/url])

La Verne "Red" is Not self-fertile.

IMO, the plant and fruit resemble the named Dragon Fruit variety "Armando".

At the last Pitahaya Festival, there was talk that the Voodoo Child is close to S-8 "Sugar Dragon", but not the exact same plant.


[I thought I had already posted this, but now that I'm seeing this post on the topic I also have more to add...]

Here in Central Florida, "Smart Planet" is lasered into the green colored pots, and even though the stick-in tag says "Red Pitaya DF" the tassle tag (often missing) says Halley's Comet.

That photo there is clearly pure Red species genes (cactus itself looks like hard to distinguish from the Bloody Mary I also have), while Central Florida Home Depot "Red" cactus runs looks more white gene than anything.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on June 24, 2014, 05:29:28 AM
I'm hoping to help amass a quazi-official Dragon Fruit Cultivar Master List. Below is what I've gathered so far. I hope to see modifications showing which cultivars are the same thing, etc. Probably deserves a followup list of yet improperly ID'ed types as discussed just above. I've added a couple Selenicereus types; could probably use (SpeciesxParentages) data also.

Alice
American Beauty
Arizona Purple
Armando
Asunta
Asian Giant
Bien Hoa (red)
Bien Hoa (white)
Bruni
Capistrano Valley
Cebra Dragon
Columbian Giant
Condor
Connie Mayer
Cosmic Charlie
Costa Rican Sunset
Country Roads
Dark Star
David Bowie
Delight
Desert King
DKU (series)
Edgar
Florida Red Sweet
Frankies Red
G 1 (Guatemala)
G 2 (Guatemala)
Giant
Giant Vietnamese
Golden (Israel)
Golden Dragon
Guyute
Halley's Comet
Harpua
Hylocereus Bronxensis
Jala
Kathie Van Arum
L.A. Woman
Lake Atitlan
Makisupa
Mexicana
Natural Mystic
Neitzel
Neon
Nicaraguan Red
Oblong
Orejona
Paul Thomsons 5 S
Paul Thomsons Number 7
Pepino Dulce
Phoenix Red
Physical Graffiti
Pineapple Cactus (Selenicereus setaceus)
Pink Panther
Purple Haze
Rixford
Rosa
San Ignacio
Seoul Kitchen
Simons Purple
Sin Espinas
Sugar Dragon
Thai Dragon
Thompson
Valdivia Rojas
Venus
Vietnamese Jaina (red)
Vietnamese Jaina (white)
Vietnamese Red
Vietnamese White
Voodoo Child
White Sapphire
Yellow (Hylocereus megalanthus)
Zamorano
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on June 24, 2014, 05:51:25 AM

If you can get me desert king, I can trade you the only variety of opuntia ever developed by Luther Burbanks for fruit quality. Every other variety was developed as cattle fodder.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on June 24, 2014, 05:57:43 AM
Hi everyone! What a huge list! From all of them what's the best flavour ones? Thank's!  ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 24, 2014, 01:53:25 PM
Hi everyone! What a huge list! From all of them what's the best flavour ones? Thank's!  ;D

The ones YOU think taste the best.

I have tasted dozens of Dragon Fruit and what taste good to me might not be your favorites.

Most people like Paul Thomson's 8-S AKA "Sugar Dragon".
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on June 24, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
Hi everyone! What a huge list! From all of them what's the best flavour ones? Thank's!  ;D

The ones YOU think taste the best.

I have tasted dozens of Dragon Fruit and what taste good to me might not be your favorites.

Most people like Paul Thomson's 8-S AKA "Sugar Dragon".
Yes it's true, but some times there are varieties with more fame than others...  ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 24, 2014, 02:00:40 PM
I'm hoping to help amass a quazi-official Dragon Fruit Cultivar Master List. Below is what I've gathered so far. I hope to see modifications showing which cultivars are the same thing, etc. Probably deserves a followup list of yet improperly ID'ed types as discussed just above. I've added a couple Selenicereus types; could probably use (SpeciesxParentages) data also.

I did not see "Lisa" and "El Grullo", two varieties grown at the UCCE research field in Irvine, CA.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Josh-Los-Angeles on June 24, 2014, 02:14:26 PM
Is dragon fruit quality consistent between California and Florida? Meaning, a top tasting variety in FL will perform just as well in CA? Or is weather a factor for some varieties?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 24, 2014, 02:43:13 PM
Is dragon fruit quality consistent between California and Florida? Meaning, a top tasting variety in FL will perform just as well in CA? Or is weather a factor for some varieties?

My guess is maybe not.  I also think Dragon Fruit quality, like any other fruit, depends on when it was picked.  Fruit grown in Florida, picked green, and sold in California, might not taste as good as in Florida.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on June 24, 2014, 05:50:26 PM
I'm hoping to help amass a quazi-official Dragon Fruit Cultivar Master List. Below is what I've gathered so far. I hope to see modifications showing which cultivars are the same thing, etc. Probably deserves a followup list of yet improperly ID'ed types as discussed just above. I've added a couple Selenicereus types; could probably use (SpeciesxParentages) data also.

I did not see "Lisa" and "El Grullo", two varieties grown at the UCCE research field in Irvine, CA.
Is the list from Mattslandscape website? If not, you can add those. I think you listed most if not all the ones from Matt's site. Some dragonfruit "cultivars" are more like variations. They're not distinct enough to tell apart from another cultivar. It's why I kind of stopped going after more cultivars after 20 or so.

Cultivars to me are the winners out of the bunch. Most current DF cultivars are just so-so and not even self fertile. Not many people (myself included) are willing to put in the hard work of stabilizing good characteristics and breeding in self-fertility. Gray Martin is one that does the hard work.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on June 24, 2014, 11:30:39 PM
I did all the ones at Matt's, and FLorida Hill, and then scoured around thru the forums etc around the time I joined.

Variations can still be cultivars. Even i was surprised when I realized there are dozens of cultivars of the Jalapeno pepper cultivar (perhaps 'Jalapeno' should be considered now a 'coretivar', its own species, etc?). But the same goes with bell peppers (which to me is bizarre in numerous botanical ways prompting me to still doubt it should be referenced as Capsicum annuum).

If anything I'd call those varieties.

This is all why I have a sort of pet peeve in regards to the word "variety" in this vein (its not a clip its a mag!), especially as often people refer to different species themselves as different "varieties".

This all from a total maniac of having all variants. :D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on June 25, 2014, 01:57:39 AM
Hi everyone! How much time a cutting nead to fruit?


I got my first bunch (7 total) of cuttings in Aug 2011, the all looked pretty much like this in February 2012.

A month later in August 2013, Dark Star looked like this.
([url]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/DS_08-23-13_zpsedf2415c.jpg[/url])

I got fruit from all 7 this year. So from cuttings in Aug 2011 to fruit harvesting 2 years later in Aug 2013.
And not all had as much growth as the Dark Star, here is my Vietnamese Jaina with flowers from Sept this year.
([url]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/VJ_09-13-13_zps322714c1.jpg[/url])
 
DM


OK, great, now I realized where I went wrong. I should have picked a squared width pole for my dragonfruit and not a circular width pole. So, back to square one, I may have to figure out a new 'crown' configuration for the top of my round-width 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit pole. And, I've got no time to waste, the 'Dragon' has climbed the pole and surpassed it by two feet already.


Please Help!

What is the length of each piece of wood of the 'wood-crown' at the top of the wooden post?

I have already bought all the material, wood and parts to finally build my 'wood-crown' at the top of my round-peg wood post. But, before I cut the pieces of wood in the appropriate lengths, I need to know what is the appropriate length of each piece of wood. After researching all 25 pages of this Thread, I can't believe that I've never asked about the length of each of the 2" X 4" (inches) pieces of wood. All suggestions & help is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on June 25, 2014, 02:06:30 AM
Hi everyone! How much time a cutting nead to fruit?


I got my first bunch (7 total) of cuttings in Aug 2011, the all looked pretty much like this in February 2012.

A month later in August 2013, Dark Star looked like this.
([url]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/DS_08-23-13_zpsedf2415c.jpg[/url])

I got fruit from all 7 this year. So from cuttings in Aug 2011 to fruit harvesting 2 years later in Aug 2013.
And not all had as much growth as the Dark Star, here is my Vietnamese Jaina with flowers from Sept this year.
([url]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/VJ_09-13-13_zps322714c1.jpg[/url])
 
DM


OK, great, now I realized where I went wrong. I should have picked a squared width pole for my dragonfruit and not a circular width pole. So, back to square one, I may have to figure out a new 'crown' configuration for the top of my round-width 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit pole. And, I've got no time to waste, the 'Dragon' has climbed the pole and surpassed it by two feet already.


Please Help!

What is the length of each piece of wood of the 'wood-crown' at the top of the wooden post?

I have already bought all the material, wood and parts to finally build my 'wood-crown' at the top of my round-peg wood post. But, before I cut the pieces of wood in the appropriate lengths, I need to know what is the appropriate length of each piece of wood. After researching all 25 pages of this Thread, I can't believe that I've never asked about the length of each of the 2" X 4" (inches) pieces of wood. All suggestions & help is greatly appreciated.


Leo, it doesn't matter so long as they are all equal lengths. Build it as large or as small as you want. That's for the outside part.

I's a square, Leooel....

For the inside supports, measure how much distance you want between the post and square box, and cut according to that.

I've made this type before, but owing to the heat, rain and humidity we get in QLD found it not really up to scratch. In drier climates it would be ok I guess, but pine, rain and large gauge screws won't get you a trellis that lasts very long.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on June 25, 2014, 02:29:17 AM
Very nice comprehensive list of DF cultivars.  What's the history behind the G2?  I got some cuttings from the OC scion exchange but I cannot find any information on it.  What's the flesh color, brix level, and frost tolerance?

I'm hoping to help amass a quazi-official Dragon Fruit Cultivar Master List. Below is what I've gathered so far. I hope to see modifications showing which cultivars are the same thing, etc. Probably deserves a followup list of yet improperly ID'ed types as discussed just above. I've added a couple Selenicereus types; could probably use (SpeciesxParentages) data also.

Alice
American Beauty
Arizona Purple
Armando
Asunta
Asian Giant
Bien Hoa (red)
Bien Hoa (white)
Bruni
Capistrano Valley
Cebra Dragon
Columbian Giant
Condor
Connie Mayer
Cosmic Charlie
Costa Rican Sunset
Country Roads
Dark Star
David Bowie
Delight
Desert King
DKU (series)
Edgar
Florida Red Sweet
Frankies Red
G 1 (Guatemala)
G 2 (Guatemala)
Giant
Giant Vietnamese
Golden (Israel)
Golden Dragon
Guyute
Halley's Comet
Harpua
Hylocereus Bronxensis
Jala
Kathie Van Arum
L.A. Woman
Lake Atitlan
Makisupa
Mexicana
Natural Mystic
Neitzel
Neon
Nicaraguan Red
Oblong
Orejona
Paul Thomsons 5 S
Paul Thomsons Number 7
Pepino Dulce
Phoenix Red
Physical Graffiti
Pineapple Cactus (Selenicereus setaceus)
Pink Panther
Purple Haze
Rixford
Rosa
San Ignacio
Seoul Kitchen
Simons Purple
Sin Espinas
Sugar Dragon
Thai Dragon
Thompson
Valdivia Rojas
Venus
Vietnamese Jaina (red)
Vietnamese Jaina (white)
Vietnamese Red
Vietnamese White
Voodoo Child
White Sapphire
Yellow (Hylocereus megalanthus)
Zamorano
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on June 25, 2014, 03:15:39 PM
Here's some details I just got asking about the DF at www.DevonsAustralianCattleDogs.com (http://www.DevonsAustralianCattleDogs.com) 

"Our S-8 and Sugar Dragon are the same.  So you actually would be getting 6 different cuttings. Incidentally, our S-8, (now called Sugar Dragon) which we got directly from Paul Thomson, is not quite the same as the S-8 sold as VooDoo Child by Pine Island.  Ramiro Lobo of the UC Irving Research station as well as many others, have confirmed this.  Hence the name change to Sugar Dragon to stop the confusion.  Our Sugar Dragon blooms earlier, is sweeter, has no thorns on the fruit and most people agree, tastes better than VooDoo Child.  "
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 25, 2014, 04:44:26 PM
Very nice comprehensive list of DF cultivars.  What's the history behind the G2?  I got some cuttings from the OC scion exchange but I cannot find any information on it.  What's the flesh color, brix level, and frost tolerance?

Good luck.  I got a potted cutting from Irvine Pitahaya Festival labeled "D-47".  Don't know anything about it except it came from the UCCE Irvine Pitahaya Research Center.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on June 25, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
Thank you, Starling1, for that, I appreciate it. I'm 'gonna' go with a length of 3 feet for each of the six pieces, to build the square 'wooden-crown' at the top of the round peg wood post. Then, come hell or high water, I'm 'gonna' take a picture of the finished job and post it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on June 25, 2014, 06:12:21 PM
Thank you, Starling1, for that, I appreciate it. I'm 'gonna' go with a length of 3 feet for each of the six pieces, to build the square 'wooden-crown' at the top of the round peg wood post. Then, come hell or high water, I'm 'gonna' take a picture of the finished job and post it.

Don't use a round post, the screws you use won't sit flush with surface and won't be as stable. Use a square post.

The post in the picture also has countersunk screws. You'll probably need to do this too, make sure you have a countersinking wood drill bill. Because the wood is pine, don't countersink too deep, go 1/3 of the total width only others the wood will break at these points after weight is applied.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JeffDM on June 25, 2014, 06:16:37 PM
Just started growing my first Dragon Fruit a few months ago.
What are the buds growing out of the top of the plant?
Is it just branching or are those the start of flowers?

(http://s11.postimg.org/mettkiuof/IMG_2707.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mettkiuof/)

(http://s27.postimg.org/gyfxjongv/IMG_2708.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/gyfxjongv/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on June 25, 2014, 06:20:23 PM
Just started growing my first Dragon Fruit a few months ago.
What are the buds growing out of the top of the plant?
Is it just branching or are those the start of flowers?

([url]http://s11.postimg.org/mettkiuof/IMG_2707.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/mettkiuof/[/url])

([url]http://s27.postimg.org/gyfxjongv/IMG_2708.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/gyfxjongv/[/url])


That's new growth Jeff.

If you fertilise them with charlie carp/liquid fish fertiliser  mixed strong you can really hurry them along.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 26, 2014, 12:01:40 AM

That's new growth Jeff.

If you fertilise them with charlie carp/liquid fish fertiliser  mixed strong you can really hurry them along.

Is Charlie Carp fertilizer sold in the U.S.?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on June 26, 2014, 12:46:32 AM


Not sure Ric. If not you can probably just buy it off ebay.

If some company in the US isn't already making it somebody should, I know the US has an even bigger problem with Asian carp then Australia.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on June 26, 2014, 01:54:27 PM
Very nice comprehensive list of DF cultivars.  What's the history behind the G2?  I got some cuttings from the OC scion exchange but I cannot find any information on it.  What's the flesh color, brix level, and frost tolerance?

Good luck.  I got a potted cutting from Irvine Pitahaya Festival labeled "D-47".  Don't know anything about it except it came from the UCCE Irvine Pitahaya Research Center.
That G2 might have been from me :). I originally got it from Jim Rockoff in SD. It's a wild selection. Medium large size, magenta color, very good sweet flavor and thin skin. Vines are more narrow than other varieties, with 1 spine over each bud, like other "Guatemalan types". It's been used for DF breeding but I don't think the resulting varieties like the ones by Paul Thomson are any better than G2.
I think there were G1 G2 G3 but I haven't heard much about the other ones.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 26, 2014, 03:05:31 PM
My guess is the original G1, G2, & G3 are seedlings from one piece of fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on June 26, 2014, 04:07:47 PM
Thank you, Starling1, for that, I appreciate it. I'm 'gonna' go with a length of 3 feet for each of the six pieces, to build the square 'wooden-crown' at the top of the round peg wood post. Then, come hell or high water, I'm 'gonna' take a picture of the finished job and post it.

Mine are actually a 30" x 27" rectangle rather than a square. They are 30" across the front because it left 42" between the rectangle frame of the next trellis, and 27" front to back so I could have 4 feet from the rectangle and the fence behind the row, so I could walk behind them easy. Also those dimensions probably let me get the most out of  all my 8' long 2x4's with the minimal waste.

Assuming you are using 8 foot lengths, cutting for a 3 foot square frame, only lets you get two 3 foot piece and leaves you a piece right about 2 foot long from each 8 foot length.

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on June 26, 2014, 04:21:46 PM
Very nice comprehensive list of DF cultivars.  What's the history behind the G2?  I got some cuttings from the OC scion exchange but I cannot find any information on it.  What's the flesh color, brix level, and frost tolerance?

Good luck.  I got a potted cutting from Irvine Pitahaya Festival labeled "D-47".  Don't know anything about it except it came from the UCCE Irvine Pitahaya Research Center.
That G2 might have been from me :). I originally got it from Jim Rockoff in SD. It's a wild selection. Medium large size, magenta color, very good sweet flavor and thin skin. Vines are more narrow than other varieties, with 1 spine over each bud, like other "Guatemalan types". It's been used for DF breeding but I don't think the resulting varieties like the ones by Paul Thomson are any better than G2.
I think there were G1 G2 G3 but I haven't heard much about the other ones.


Thanks for the explaination Fang.  This sounds like a good variety to keep around. 

The valdivia roja I got from you is blooming and the flower looks viable and I am going to manually pollinate it. 

I'll have to take pic.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on June 26, 2014, 06:52:25 PM
Blue Dragon Fruit??

This page mention w/ tiny pic a "NEW Blue":
http://botanicalgrowersnetwork.net/znetsol/1-ProductPages/Dragon/default.p.htm (http://botanicalgrowersnetwork.net/znetsol/1-ProductPages/Dragon/default.p.htm)

Puzzled I google'd and found a Vietnamese page mentioning "Blue" but I dont see what they mean:
http://vietnam.vnanet.vn/vnp/en-us/13/36452/economy/blue-dragon-fruits-with-red-flesh-in-hanoi.html (http://vietnam.vnanet.vn/vnp/en-us/13/36452/economy/blue-dragon-fruits-with-red-flesh-in-hanoi.html)

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on June 26, 2014, 06:55:24 PM
Blue Dragon Fruit??

This page mention w/ tiny pic a "NEW Blue":
[url]http://botanicalgrowersnetwork.net/znetsol/1-ProductPages/Dragon/default.p.htm[/url] ([url]http://botanicalgrowersnetwork.net/znetsol/1-ProductPages/Dragon/default.p.htm[/url])

Puzzled I google'd and found a Vietnamese page mentioning "Blue" but I dont see what they mean:
[url]http://vietnam.vnanet.vn/vnp/en-us/13/36452/economy/blue-dragon-fruits-with-red-flesh-in-hanoi.html[/url] ([url]http://vietnam.vnanet.vn/vnp/en-us/13/36452/economy/blue-dragon-fruits-with-red-flesh-in-hanoi.html[/url])


Although I'm only speculating, I'm guessing they are referring to the colour of the plant itself, the way grey is sometimes referred to as blue in dog breeds.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on June 26, 2014, 07:03:46 PM
That's what it looks like in the first page, but I dont see it in the second.

Here it is:
Hylocereus Bronxensis Blue
http://w3flora.com/RealFloraDragonFruit.aspx?submenuheader=7&page=2 (http://w3flora.com/RealFloraDragonFruit.aspx?submenuheader=7&page=2)

"Rare and endangered this three sided segmented climbing cactus is like no other. New growth is lime green soon turning to smoky blue. Flowers have never been seen yet."

Wonder what they mean by "In 7" Deep Cone".

Annoying how everything else is named by 'color'. I can see how it got so messy like that with all the sellers on ebay doing that.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on June 26, 2014, 11:01:58 PM
Thank you, Starling1, for that, I appreciate it. I'm 'gonna' go with a length of 3 feet for each of the six pieces, to build the square 'wooden-crown' at the top of the round peg wood post. Then, come hell or high water, I'm 'gonna' take a picture of the finished job and post it.

Mine are actually a 30" x 27" rectangle rather than a square. They are 30" across the front because it left 42" between the rectangle frame of the next trellis, and 27" front to back so I could have 4 feet from the rectangle and the fence behind the row, so I could walk behind them easy. Also those dimensions probably let me get the most out of  all my 8' long 2x4's with the minimal waste.

Assuming you are using 8 foot lengths, cutting for a 3 foot square frame, only lets you get two 3 foot piece and leaves you a piece right about 2 foot long from each 8 foot length.

DM

DM, thanks for the info. Your 'wood crown' is about 6" less on each side than what I had it mind. But, your explanation above is brilliant, thank you so much. I now understand completly. To build the 'wood crown' I need a total of 6 pieces of wood, all of equal lengths. And, the only way to get those 6 wood pieces out of two 8' long 2"X4" long, is if they are each 30" long.

It looks like my 6 pieces of wood to make the 'wood crown' will have the same lengths as yours, 30". And, when my wood crown is finished, I'm sure it will look similar to yours.

I can't wait to have this 'DF Wood Crown' built, installed and posting a picture of it.This is the info. that I was looking for, thank you so much, I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on June 27, 2014, 02:27:14 AM
Here is a valdivia roja that bloomed tonight.  Beautiful flower.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3842/14331075908_8aa54112e4_b.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3889/14494544586_7b41cc75e1_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on June 27, 2014, 02:37:54 AM
Hey cool the eventual flower looks a lot like my Queen of the Night (selenecereus grandifloris) that bloomed the night before last:


(http://s18.postimg.org/nqyir745h/Queen_of_the_Night_Cactus_Selenicereus_grandifl.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/nqyir745h/)

(http://s18.postimg.org/5zmwcqoqt/Queen_of_the_Night_Cactus_Selenicereus_grandifl.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5zmwcqoqt/)

(http://s18.postimg.org/6nvqvongl/Queen_of_the_Night_Cactus_Selenicereus_grandifl.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6nvqvongl/)

(http://s18.postimg.org/9goyfpnt1/Queen_of_the_Night_Cactus_Selenicereus_grandifl.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/9goyfpnt1/)

That bud you have there itself is stunning though. It really lives up to the "dragon" look too!

A friend brought over a 7' long piece, rather thin, a couple months ago, but before I got around to sticking an end of it into soil it was already forming that flower . It had little feeler roots coming out the end, so I planted them and 2 nights later it opened. I've had one in a gallon pot for over a year and it hasn't formed a bud yet...
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on June 27, 2014, 08:01:19 AM
DM, thanks for the info. Your 'wood crown' is about 6" less on each side than what I had it mind. But, your explanation above is brilliant, thank you so much. I now understand completly. To build the 'wood crown' I need a total of 6 pieces of wood, all of equal lengths. And, the only way to get those 6 wood pieces out of two 8' long 2"X4" long, is if they are each 30" long.

It looks like my 6 pieces of wood to make the 'wood crown' will have the same lengths as yours, 30". And, when my wood crown is finished, I'm sure it will look similar to yours.

I can't wait to have this 'DF Wood Crown' built, installed and posting a picture of it.This is the info. that I was looking for, thank you so much, I really appreciate it.

If you cut all six pieces equal at 30", you will end up with a rectangle that is 30" x 33". If you want a square, for the 4 pieces that connect the front beam to the back beam, you have to reduce the length by the thickness of two 2x4's (thickness of one 2x4 is 1.50", so reduce by 3.00"). So, to get a 30" square, you would cut two pieces at 30" long and four pieces at 27" long.

Good luck.

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on June 27, 2014, 05:26:41 PM
DM, thanks for the info. Your 'wood crown' is about 6" less on each side than what I had it mind. But, your explanation above is brilliant, thank you so much. I now understand completly. To build the 'wood crown' I need a total of 6 pieces of wood, all of equal lengths. And, the only way to get those 6 wood pieces out of two 8' long 2"X4" long, is if they are each 30" long.

It looks like my 6 pieces of wood to make the 'wood crown' will have the same lengths as yours, 30". And, when my wood crown is finished, I'm sure it will look similar to yours.

I can't wait to have this 'DF Wood Crown' built, installed and posting a picture of it.This is the info. that I was looking for, thank you so much, I really appreciate it.

If you cut all six pieces equal at 30", you will end up with a rectangle that is 30" x 33". If you want a square, for the 4 pieces that connect the front beam to the back beam, you have to reduce the length by the thickness of two 2x4's (thickness of one 2x4 is 1.50", so reduce by 3.00"). So, to get a 30" square, you would cut two pieces at 30" long and four pieces at 27" long.

Good luck.

DM

Also remember that squares are stronger shapes than rectangles.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on June 28, 2014, 12:48:20 AM
Wow that's a pretty nice flower. I only have a bud on my valdivia roja. It's from the Irvine field station and their fruits are pretty small for this variety. Hopefully your pollination will make it larger.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on June 28, 2014, 12:53:11 AM
Thank you Starling1, I agree that squares are stronger shapes than rectangles. Nonetheless, I'm 'gonna' go with DangerMouse01's approach, I'm gonna keep it simple and go with the rectangle shape because it's just simpler/easier to build.

The crown will consist of 6 pieces of the same length. I've decided to go with a 3' length per piece after all. The 'wood-crown' will be built as follows: two of the wood pieces will be set opposed one another. Between them, will be two pieces set perpendicularly at the ends, and all four corners will be held together by 2 screws per corner. This completes the rectangle part of the 'wood-crown.'

Finally, the last two pieces of wood that will fall into 2 indentations at the top of the round peg pole, will also, of course, be screwed to and thus hold the wood-rectangle in place. And, voila, there you have it.

I hope everything turns out all right. All the material has been purchased and the construction/set-up will take place and be completed tomorrow.
My main worry now is to make sure that the crown is balanced. That is, that it does not tilt to one side or another.

Thank you guys for all the support and encouragement. Hopefully I'll report back tomorrow with the good news of a good installation outcome.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 28, 2014, 12:57:09 AM
I hope everything turns out all right. All the material has been purchased and the construction/set-up will take place and be completed tomorrow.

Takes some pictures!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on June 28, 2014, 02:49:04 AM
Thank you Starling1, I agree that squares are stronger shapes than rectangles. Nonetheless, I'm 'gonna' go with DangerMouse01's approach, I'm gonna keep it simple and go with the rectangle shape because it's just simpler/easier to build.

The crown will consist of 6 pieces of the same length. I've decided to go with a 3' length per piece after all. The 'wood-crown' will be built as follows: two of the wood pieces will be set opposed one another. Between them, will be two pieces set perpendicularly at the ends, and all four corners will be held together by 2 screws per corner. This completes the rectangle part of the 'wood-crown.'

Finally, the last two pieces of wood that will fall into 2 indentations at the top of the round peg pole, will also, of course, be screwed to and thus hold the wood-rectangle in place. And, voila, there you have it.

I hope everything turns out all right. All the material has been purchased and the construction/set-up will take place and be completed tomorrow.
My main worry now is to make sure that the crown is balanced. That is, that it does not tilt to one side or another.

Thank you guys for all the support and encouragement. Hopefully I'll report back tomorrow with the good news of a good installation outcome.

Before you put the post in, consider a concrete one.

I've been thinking about this today. My solution is simple:

I'm going to get 15 cm plumbing pipe, and enough concrete to fill it, as well as the hole.

Then, I'm going to dig a hole (with a post hole digger) three feet deep. Then, I'm going to get two 8ft star pickets, and hammer these into the bottom of the hole as deep as I can, leaving at least 1ft sticking above the top of the hole.

Then, I'm going to slip the pipe over the star pickets, and fill this with concrete--I will set the star picket inside with concrete.

Then I'm going to fill in the hole with concrete. This will give me an enormous amount of anchorage strength. The post will last 25-30 years at least.

I can't think of a post which will have greater longevity.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on June 29, 2014, 12:08:24 AM
ricshaw, I wasn't able to complete the job today but everything's on track. I definitely plan to post picture(s) when it's all said and done. BTW, if you could E-Mail me on how to post a photo, I'll do it as soon as I get the instructions; not to speak of how appreciative I'll be for your assistance.

Starling1, I already have a pressure treated 'round peg' wooden post with a 'David Bowie' variety Dragon Fruit that has already reached and past the top of the 8' tall pole. The fruit of this variety is said to be medium-ish in size, but very productive and sweet, although I haven't tasted it because it hasn't yet fruited. I'm thinking of wrapping the pole in burlap, I hope this may speed up the time it'll take to fruit. Also, I can't help but wonder if the DF will be happier climbing a wood pole or a concrete pole.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on June 29, 2014, 02:30:20 AM
ricshaw, I wasn't able to complete the job today but everything's on track. I definitely plan to post picture(s) when it's all said and done. BTW, if you could E-Mail me on how to post a photo, I'll do it as soon as I get the instructions; not to speak of how appreciative I'll be for your assistance.

Starling1, I already have a pressure treated 'round peg' wooden post with a 'David Bowie' variety Dragon Fruit that has already reached and past the top of the 8' tall pole. The fruit of this variety is said to be medium-ish in size, but very productive and sweet, although I haven't tasted it because it hasn't yet fruited. I'm thinking of wrapping the pole in burlap, I hope this may speed up the time it'll take to fruit. Also, I can't help but wonder if the DF will be happier climbing a wood pole or a concrete pole.

The pressure treated wood pole will be treated with a range of nasty chemicals--this is a problem facing my hardwood posts too) but the burlap will help greatly. I actually started building my new post today and will post pics and a detailed walkthrough later this week. I'm REALLY happy with how it is turning out....effectively I've managed to anchor it 7 feet into the ground, it feels rock solid (much more stable than my hardwood posts). The dragonfruit will grow up stormwater piping which is totally inert, and invulnerable to all weather.

This one is going to be the coup de gras. This one really will have absolutely nothing which is vulnerable to the elements, It will last 25 years at least.

Re the David Bowie it's the best of the whites as far as reports go. The burlap will not help to speed up fruiting time (the aerial roots of dragon fruit actually adsorb almost nothing in way of nutrients from what they are growing against, they are not true epihpytes ) but the burlap will definitely be better for grip. I really recommend a fish based liquid fertilizer if you can get any, one with seaweed is perfect. I use powerfeed.

Make sure you post pics of the completed trellis, I love seeing people's builds!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on June 30, 2014, 12:51:36 AM
The burlap will not help to speed up fruiting time (the aerial roots of dragon fruit actually adsorb almost nothing in way of nutrients from what they are growing against, they are not true epihpytes ) but the burlap will definitely be better for grip. I really recommend a fish based liquid fertilizer if you can get any, one with seaweed is perfect. I use powerfeed.

Are you sure the aerial roots dont absorb? I've read several spots now claiming they do feed from there so I've been stoked figuring out a wicked liquid-spray feed using nut's/biostim's to maximize output in confined spaces.   
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on June 30, 2014, 07:48:02 AM
That's what it looks like in the first page, but I dont see it in the second.

Here it is:
Hylocereus Bronxensis Blue
[url]http://w3flora.com/RealFloraDragonFruit.aspx?submenuheader=7&page=2[/url] ([url]http://w3flora.com/RealFloraDragonFruit.aspx?submenuheader=7&page=2[/url])

"Rare and endangered this three sided segmented climbing cactus is like no other. New growth is lime green soon turning to smoky blue. Flowers have never been seen yet."


Matt's Landscape has it without any photos:
Quote
Species HYLOCEREUS BRONXENSIS- Has an XL white/yellow night blooming flower, the growth is 3-sided and closely resembles Hylocereus Ocamponis in that older growth is greyish-green in color, new growth dark green, but has shorter stem segments, sometimes pendant in growth and more narrow overall. Britton and Rose; originally collected by G. E. Barre in 1902, this variety is rare and endangered in its native habitat. The location collected is offically listed as unknown to protect the few specimens remaining in there native habitat. A rare species,not generally used for fruit production but can be crossed with other varieties. THIS VARIETY WAS GARDEN CULTIVATED FROM AN OLD COLLECTION AND WAS NOT REMOVED FROM ITS NATIVE HABITAT.
[url]http://www.mattslandscape.com/detail/?plant_name=Hylocereus%20Bronxensis#full_desc[/url] ([url]http://www.mattslandscape.com/detail/?plant_name=Hylocereus%20Bronxensis#full_desc[/url])


And there it is, that whole species-relevant usage of the word "variety". lol. If the word were only used for varieties of a single species it wouldn't have become this odd pet-peeve of mine.

UPDATE:
Quote
Original Description: The Cactaceae 2 p.185 - Britton & Rose (1920)
Joints strongly 3-angled, dull grayish green, 3 to 4 cm broad; ribs strongly undulate, the margins horny and brown; areoles 2 to 3 cm apart; spines about 10, acicular, brown in age, about 6 mm long; flowers 25 cm long; outer perianth-segments broad, ovate, obtuse or rounded; inner perianth-segments oblong, rounded at apex, more or less apiculate, but not long-acuminate; scales on the ovary broad; stigma-lobes (perhaps) bifid

Described from specimens which flowered in the New York Botanical Garden (no. 9722) June 28, 1912. The plant was obtained from G. E. Barre in 1902, but its origin is otherwise unknown. It is related to Hylocereus ocamponis but its flowers are quite different from those of that species.
[url]http://cactiguide.com/cactus/?genus=Hylocereus&species=bronxensis[/url] ([url]http://cactiguide.com/cactus/?genus=Hylocereus&species=bronxensis[/url])


Matt's cuttings have been out of stock. w3flora rooted price not too bad, but damn they only ship UPS ground and its $13.95. If they switched to Priority Mail it'd be about $6 if they used a regional box and itd be overnight being within the state of FL. I'll have to wait a few days before ordering...
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 30, 2014, 08:02:38 PM
Aerial roots... what are they good for?

http://youtu.be/5ziUKAXr8jE (http://youtu.be/5ziUKAXr8jE)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on June 30, 2014, 09:19:26 PM
Aerial roots... what are they good for?

[url]http://youtu.be/5ziUKAXr8jE[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/5ziUKAXr8jE[/url])


The answer is very little.

I trim mine off whenever I see them without incident. While they do absorb a low amount of nutrients, there is no advantage whatsoever to having them when you're growing a dragonfruit plant against a post that is treated wood, concrete or plastic. In fact unless you know what's in the bark of a tree they're growing against, you run the risk of sickening them as there  there might something in this they don't like. They will send aerial roots back down into the soil if you cut them off above ground. Your mix and drainage in the ground is infinitely more important than nourishing aerial roots will ever be.

Also Ric your plants are suffering from fungal rot, hit them with a copper spray and this should fix it temporarily. but because of the amount of shade your plants are getting you're always going to fight it. It probably won't do anything to affect root quality or the abundance of fruit , it is just a cosmetic thing mostly.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on June 30, 2014, 09:23:03 PM
Aerial roots... what are they good for?

The answer is very little.

I trim mine off whenever I see them without incident. While they do absorb a low amount of nutrients, there is no advantage whatsoever to having them when you're growing a dragonfruit plant against a post that is treated wood, concrete or plastic. In fact unless you know what's in the bark of a tree they're growing against, you run the risk of sickening them as there  there might something in this they don't like. They will send aerial roots back down into the soil if you cut them off above ground. Your mix and drainage in the ground is infinitely more important than nourishing aerial roots will ever be.

So you don't think there is any advantage to aerial roots going down into the ground?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: lajolla on July 01, 2014, 12:22:42 PM
What does everyone use to fertilize to fasten growth or flowering? Anyone had experience with fish emulsion?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on July 01, 2014, 03:59:40 PM
What does everyone use to fertilize to fasten growth or flowering? Anyone had experience with fish emulsion?

I had a long conversation with the owner of red fox pitaya yesterday (Australian company) awho told me she uses powerfeed run into her drip lines, which is  what I use also, and is a fish and seaweed liquid fertilizer. She told that it's never a good idea to use citrus fertiliser, and some of her larger plants were killed by an accidental application of this.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on July 01, 2014, 10:07:40 PM
One of my Sword Pear Cactus (Acanthocereus tetragonus) has a bloom right now:
(http://s24.postimg.org/hsns3qfm9/Sword_Pear_in_flower.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/hsns3qfm9/)

Last week I had a Queen of the Night (photos above) bloom. I 'fingered' the thing and rubbed the pollen all about the pistil tips, but tonight I found it it finally fell off (fail). Last year I had several dragon fruit blooms, and a lot of sword pear blooms, but no fruits despite trying to finger several of them. Conversely, while the many many Peruvian Apple Cactus blooms I see between my neighbors and mine dont always set fruit, many do without any help.

Does the pollen have to make it all the way down the stigma 'tube', or what? I'm about to go try and break one off and shove it deep in there...
(http://s17.postimg.org/4rvmy93kb/Sword_Pear_pistil_mechanical_pollination_attem.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4rvmy93kb/)
(http://s17.postimg.org/mvyniw18r/Sword_Pear_pistil_mechanically_pollinated_and.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mvyniw18r/)

This moth seems to have taken some interest:
(http://s17.postimg.org/8zqf704zv/Sword_Pear_moth_interested_maybe.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8zqf704zv/)

Any other help with hand pollination would be great.

Also, can it be assumed that most any aforementioned or etc xcereus cacti can make inter-species hybrids?



Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on July 03, 2014, 12:15:18 AM
Aerial roots... what are they good for?

The answer is very little.

I trim mine off whenever I see them without incident. While they do absorb a low amount of nutrients, there is no advantage whatsoever to having them when you're growing a dragonfruit plant against a post that is treated wood, concrete or plastic. In fact unless you know what's in the bark of a tree they're growing against, you run the risk of sickening them as there  there might something in this they don't like. They will send aerial roots back down into the soil if you cut them off above ground. Your mix and drainage in the ground is infinitely more important than nourishing aerial roots will ever be.

So you don't think there is any advantage to aerial roots going down into the ground?

I guess it would depend. On the one hand, roots sent back to the ground will need extra minerals/nutrients into the plant, but at the same time they could causde drowning and dieback in times of heavy rainfall, especially if you have clay or gluggy soil.

Personally I remove mine and have never had a problem with doing this.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on July 10, 2014, 09:17:23 PM
My 'David Bowie' DF has two big & beautiful flowers for the first time ever, I sure hope that fruit(s) follow(s).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on July 11, 2014, 04:35:27 AM
Hello everyone,

I bought this dragon fruit plant about a month ago. It was fine until the past 10 days or so when all of a sudden a yellow patch started to appear. Ever since then it has been spreading all over and this is what you see.

It gets about 4 hrs of morning sunlight (8am-12 noon). I have cut down on watering it as I was suspecting it could be due to much water. I only water when the soil is dry, say once in 2-3 days.

What could the probable cause be? And what do you guys recommended?

This is my first pitaya plant and I don't want it to die.  :-[

(http://s28.postimg.org/4qvvyfhzd/IMG_20140711_122838.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4qvvyfhzd/)

(http://s28.postimg.org/qm8h5dtc9/IMG_20140711_122857.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qm8h5dtc9/)

(http://s28.postimg.org/4035snfm1/IMG_20140711_122905.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4035snfm1/)

(http://s28.postimg.org/s2jzniw95/IMG_20140711_122911.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/s2jzniw95/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on July 11, 2014, 04:41:55 AM

It's your soil. You've planted it in cactus mix, which is totally wrong for the task of growing dragon fruit.

Dragon fruit are an understory rainforest cactus. They nothing like opuntia or other desert cacti, and require free draining soil that is rich in organic matter. Mix compost, very coarse potting mix, and sand and repot it into this mixture. Add some sheep or cow manure also.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nickytwo on July 11, 2014, 07:47:49 AM
So what I read in this post I must take my seedlings and make compost with them......and to get cuttings in south africa next to impossible.....
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: stuartdaly88 on July 11, 2014, 07:58:33 AM
So what I read in this post I must take my seedlings and make compost with them......and to get cuttings in south africa next to impossible.....
Throwing seeds away is maybe for foreigners who have access to named cultivators but for us it's the only option don't give up plant more seeds and select the best ones:) we are pioneers here for most lesser known fruit it's exciting!!!
Also if you get permit from department(not easy) at least DF has a better chance of surviving transit time than other cuttings or scions would.
Iv got alot of young seedling DF different kinds if any taste decent I can easily ship cutting to you.
If we just give up we get nothing but perservere and maybe something good:)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nickytwo on July 11, 2014, 08:50:14 AM
It felt if I am going to commit suicide.......or kill my children.....Stuart how long before they will fruit.. some say up to five year I think it will be more like three years
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: stuartdaly88 on July 11, 2014, 09:31:06 AM
I think that will depend on the species of DF and growing conditions iv read of 3 years from seed but I'm sure these kinds of numbers are very general I'm sure people here would know better than me.
Mine are just over 1 year from seed so still awhile till I know. I have about five each of red,white and golden/yellow from from seed hopefully I get something nice out of 15 but I'm really not that fussy hey, nutritious heavy bearing and home grown is my main priority taste is secondary as I learn to like any taste myself even very bitter I like so blands not to bad long as I have fresh fruit bland can be nice but I won't turn up my nose at sweet one either:)
I will share cutting if I get a nice less bland one if you do the same for me.
And don't stress much better fruit to commit suicide over than DF IMO;)
Just think of it as a genetic roulette you could strike it lucky it's fun! well for me anyway
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 11, 2014, 04:00:55 PM
Although I had good luck with sprouting seeds from Dragon Fruit...

I have had BAD luck with getting DF seedlings past the juvenile stage.

I took the following pictures today.

The is an example of a seedling going on 4 YEARS!!

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/seedling_1265_zps58463459.jpg)

At this rate...  I will never see fruit!


This is a picture of some cuttings going on their second year.
The plant in the foreground I got in March this year.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/cuttings_1266_zpsee92ccf2.jpg)

I usually expect to get fruit from plants grown from cuttings in 3 years. Yes, there are exceptions. I have got fruit on a cutting the first year.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on July 11, 2014, 05:20:35 PM
So what I read in this post I must take my seedlings and make compost with them......and to get cuttings in south africa next to impossible.....
Throwing seeds away is maybe for foreigners who have access to named cultivators but for us it's the only option don't give up plant more seeds and select the best ones:) we are pioneers here for most lesser known fruit it's exciting!!!
Also if you get permit from department(not easy) at least DF has a better chance of surviving transit time than other cuttings or scions would.
Iv got alot of young seedling DF different kinds if any taste decent I can easily ship cutting to you.
If we just give up we get nothing but perservere and maybe something good:)

Cuttings will survive two months or more in transit no problem at all. Expecting to wait at least 5 years  for fruit from seed, 3 is overambitious.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 11, 2014, 05:57:18 PM
I had some small cuttings that I left out to callus over and never got around to potting them.

Then http://www.youtube.com/user/ProjectPitaya (http://www.youtube.com/user/ProjectPitaya) told me I could root them with the end setting in a little water.

In less than a week I had roots.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on July 11, 2014, 09:28:06 PM
Too little sunlight on your seedlings Richard.
I too had most seedlings die on me. The lone survivor was one from Edgar but from the looks of the vine it should be a white fleshed fruit. No problem. I can always trash it later or give it to people that like low sugar fruits.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 11, 2014, 09:51:41 PM
Too little sunlight on your seedlings Richard.

The ones I gave more sunlight got fried.  :-[
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: lajolla on July 12, 2014, 02:41:36 AM
Although I had good luck with sprouting seeds from Dragon Fruit...

I have had BAD luck with getting DF seedlings past the juvenile stage.

I took the following pictures today.

The is an example of a seedling going on 4 YEARS!!

([url]http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/seedling_1265_zps58463459.jpg[/url])

At this rate...  I will never see fruit!


This is a picture of some cuttings going on their second year.
The plant in the foreground I got in March this year.

([url]http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/cuttings_1266_zpsee92ccf2.jpg[/url])

I usually expect to get fruit from plants grown from cuttings in 3 years. Yes, there are exceptions. I have got fruit on a cutting the first year.


Ric, your seedling looks awesome!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on July 12, 2014, 03:28:34 AM
I had some small cuttings that I left out to callus over and never got around to potting them.

Then [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/ProjectPitaya[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/user/ProjectPitaya[/url]) told me I could root them with the end setting in a little water.

In less than a week I had roots.


Again, dragonfruit are a rainforest cactus.

This means that they require very little to no light at all while developing.

In the wild, they would occur as an understory tree, then grow up the trunks of extremely tall trees to branch out over the canopy. Only then would they get full sun.

Don't worry about light exposure for juvenile plants.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 12, 2014, 10:42:54 AM
The is an example of a seedling going on 4 YEARS!!

([url]http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/seedling_1265_zps58463459.jpg[/url])


Ric, your seedling looks awesome!


What is awesome about it?   ???
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on July 12, 2014, 11:29:24 AM
Are you sure they start out from the ground in the wild? I was imagining the fruit being splattered and the seeds germinating on a leaf or any surface in the canopy and then the plants spend their entire lives way above the ground. Rainforest has rain :), and touching the ground is actually a big disadvantage in terms of light availability and chances of rotting.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on July 12, 2014, 01:34:17 PM
Since there is not a lot of info on Frankie's Red, here is a picture of a flower before it opens. I have about 7 flowers on my plant so far and I've never tasted the fruit before. I'll take more pictures when the blooms open and also get a weight, brix and also harvest season here in SoCal if any fruit holds. Frankie's Red is flowering after the normal DF varieties and before the Yellow Dragons. My Yellow Dragons have button sized flowers right now. This variety would seem to fill the gap between the normal and Yellow Dragon so that the season is greatly extended. Internets slow, I'll post pics later!
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on July 12, 2014, 05:33:35 PM
Here's a pic of Frankies Red flower before it opens.
Simon
(http://s17.postimg.org/rm7xh2gtn/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/rm7xh2gtn/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on July 13, 2014, 03:47:40 AM

It's your soil. You've planted it in cactus mix, which is totally wrong for the task of growing dragon fruit.

Dragon fruit are an understory rainforest cactus. They nothing like opuntia or other desert cacti, and require free draining soil that is rich in organic matter. Mix compost, very coarse potting mix, and sand and repot it into this mixture. Add some sheep or cow manure also.

I really don't think it is just the soil. Dragons can grow in majority types of soil and this soil although is not the best still can support a dragon to grow well. Anyways, I would be transferring it to the farm soon where it would get all the necessary nutrients.

As of now would you guys advice to cut the part below the rot or do I just leave it to heal by itself? 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on July 13, 2014, 04:05:09 AM

It's your soil. You've planted it in cactus mix, which is totally wrong for the task of growing dragon fruit.

Dragon fruit are an understory rainforest cactus. They nothing like opuntia or other desert cacti, and require free draining soil that is rich in organic matter. Mix compost, very coarse potting mix, and sand and repot it into this mixture. Add some sheep or cow manure also.

I really don't think it is just the soil. Dragons can grow in majority types of soil and this soil although is not the best still can support a dragon to grow well. Anyways, I would be transferring it to the farm soon where it would get all the necessary nutrients.

As of now would you guys advice to cut the part below the rot or do I just leave it to heal by itself?

As long as it is in that soil, it will never do well. It's going to die, because they don't like gluggly, or dry, cloying soil. Cutting the rot will do nothing.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on July 14, 2014, 02:08:29 AM

It's your soil. You've planted it in cactus mix, which is totally wrong for the task of growing dragon fruit.

Dragon fruit are an understory rainforest cactus. They nothing like opuntia or other desert cacti, and require free draining soil that is rich in organic matter. Mix compost, very coarse potting mix, and sand and repot it into this mixture. Add some sheep or cow manure also.

I really don't think it is just the soil. Dragons can grow in majority types of soil and this soil although is not the best still can support a dragon to grow well. Anyways, I would be transferring it to the farm soon where it would get all the necessary nutrients.

As of now would you guys advice to cut the part below the rot or do I just leave it to heal by itself?
If it doesn't continue to rot, then I would leave it. Soil aeration makes a big difference to root growth. Just make sure the soil particles are coarse enough for the roots to get air.

I'm wondering why you bought such a small plant. How long is the cutting under the soil? It looks like a moon cactus where the top died off. https://www.google.com/search?q=moon+cactus. (https://www.google.com/search?q=moon+cactus.) The bottom is actually a white-fleshed dragonfruit if you care to grow it.
Anyway, you need only bury the bottom inch of it. Some people bury deeper for stability but that's not really necessary.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on July 14, 2014, 03:40:24 AM
If it doesn't continue to rot, then I would leave it. Soil aeration makes a big difference to root growth. Just make sure the soil particles are coarse enough for the roots to get air.

I'm wondering why you bought such a small plant. How long is the cutting under the soil? It looks like a moon cactus where the top died off. https://www.google.com/search?q=moon+cactus. (https://www.google.com/search?q=moon+cactus.) The bottom is actually a white-fleshed dragonfruit if you care to grow it.
Anyway, you need only bury the bottom inch of it. Some people bury deeper for stability but that's not really necessary.

The rotting seems to have slowed down and the damaged part has become white and soft. I will leave it on as u say.

For better soil aeration, would it matter if it is in a plastic pot or a clay pot?

I got the plant from an online nursery, there was no way to see the plant before purchasing it. It had come in a pot but I'm guessing the cutting may not be more than 2-3 inches deep as the pot itself was about 4 inches tall.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on July 15, 2014, 03:35:48 AM
Pot probably doesn't matter. I have mine in plastic.
It'll take longer for your plant to reach fruiting size since it's smaller though.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rannman on July 15, 2014, 05:28:28 AM
I grow all of my Dragonfruit in black plastic pots and after earlier problems with the occasional cutting developing rot I changed my tactics. I leave my cuttings high and dry(nowhere near soil) until I see the small root buds start to appear which on some cuttings is 5 months and still waiting. Once the roots start to show, I fill the pot to where I want it, put in a stake and tie the cutting it. The cutting sits on the top of the soil with no green plant below the soil line. Haven't lost 1 yet.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on July 15, 2014, 05:46:40 AM
@fyliu, Thanks! I am thinking of adding nutrients once the rot subsidies.

@Rannman, That is an interesting tactic. Shall definitely keep in mind to do it that ways. Thank you for sharing with us.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mucbean on July 15, 2014, 08:00:58 PM
Whats happening with my dragon fruit (david bowie). They finally had some flowers bloom. But they are turning yellow and dropping off. I have only four flowers remaining.

Thanks, Mike
(http://s2.postimg.org/6m6jtvm2t/IMG_3899.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6m6jtvm2t/)

(http://s2.postimg.org/gm1g9rxc5/IMG_3900.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/gm1g9rxc5/)

(http://s2.postimg.org/464qg1405/IMG_3901.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/464qg1405/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on July 15, 2014, 08:12:09 PM
The plant can decide it's not able to support that many flowers and abort the buds. I've had it happen to a 12 inch cutting that formed about 6 buds. Most fell off and rodents ate the last one.
After flowering, if the pollen doesn't reach the ovary in time, the fruit can abort too. It happens to me even after I pollinated the flowers in the morning. Better to do it the night before, when the flowers first open.

Edited for typo.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on July 16, 2014, 12:47:19 AM
Here's a picture of a Frankie's Red flower when it's starting to open.
Simon
(http://s22.postimg.org/yyb7qdgyl/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/yyb7qdgyl/)

(http://s22.postimg.org/42u0z89i5/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/42u0z89i5/)

(http://s22.postimg.org/cjtja5e71/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/cjtja5e71/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Treees on July 16, 2014, 05:32:54 PM
My very first DF harvest from a cutting planted a year ago.  This is Natural Mystic and has been very easy to grow.  Mild but pleasant taste and smell.  Much better than one bought in the store for $5/lb.

(http://s27.postimg.org/t71p32s5b/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/t71p32s5b/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mucbean on July 16, 2014, 06:01:22 PM
Ok Fyliu, thanks for the info.


Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on July 16, 2014, 11:42:43 PM
My 'David Bowie' DF has two big & beautiful flowers for the first time ever, I sure hope that fruit(s) follow(s).

My 'David Bowie' DF is behaving in the same way. The two (first time ever) flowers look dead and are about to fall off. Also, it looks like there may be a fruit coming along behind one of the expired flowers.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on July 16, 2014, 11:54:45 PM
My 'David Bowie' DF has two big & beautiful flowers for the first time ever, I sure hope that fruit(s) follow(s).

My 'David Bowie' DF is behaving in the same way. The two (first time ever) flowers look dead and are about to fall off. Also, it looks like there may be a fruit coming along behind one of the expired flowers.

It's important to taper of watering when the flowers are forming into fruit. Too much water and they will drop them.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on July 17, 2014, 04:06:49 PM
The last 2 years we have had a tremendous increase in earwigs. They are every where but today I noticed that they were especially heavy on ready to bloom flowers.
In the morning I have always found them along with bees in the open flowers. I assume, since they moving very fast all over the inner flower, that they also aid in pollination. If so at least some good from their presents. 

(http://s12.postimg.org/eytbb3bm1/001_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/eytbb3bm1/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on July 17, 2014, 04:37:55 PM
The last 2 years we have had a tremendous increase in earwigs. They are every where but today I noticed that they were especially heavy on ready to bloom flowers.
In the morning I have always found them along with bees in the open flowers. I assume, since they moving very fast all over the inner flower, that they also aid in pollination. If so at least some good from their presents. 

([url]http://s12.postimg.org/eytbb3bm1/001_2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/eytbb3bm1/[/url])


Healthy looking plants cos.

I'm currently building a new grove with concrete posts, should  be finished in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on July 17, 2014, 05:09:12 PM
A semi-local guy brought me several lengths of what he said is "yellow" dragon fruit recently. I expected it'd look different but wasnt sure. Later I went online and all the 'yellow' (species) I could find looked more like a red gene DF, where this one the cactus looks like pure white gene. Interesting though is that one has formed a bud and after a couple days its already yellow:

(http://s28.postimg.org/b1hhe7tih/IMG_0940.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/b1hhe7tih/)
(http://s28.postimg.org/3k89z03zd/IMG_0941.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3k89z03zd/)

It seems sturdy enough not like its yellowing to fall off I mean.

If this doesnt make a fruit its going to drive me nuts waiting forever to figure out what it even is, as I wont bother trying to sell/trade with it without having a real good idea.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on July 17, 2014, 05:27:42 PM
A semi-local guy brought me several lengths of what he said is "yellow" dragon fruit recently. I expected it'd look different but wasnt sure. Later I went online and all the 'yellow' (species) I could find looked more like a red gene DF, where this one the cactus looks like pure white gene. Interesting though is that one has formed a bud and after a couple days its already yellow:

([url]http://s28.postimg.org/b1hhe7tih/IMG_0940.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/b1hhe7tih/[/url])
([url]http://s28.postimg.org/3k89z03zd/IMG_0941.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/3k89z03zd/[/url])

It seems sturdy enough not like its yellowing to fall off I mean.

If this doesnt make a fruit its going to drive me nuts waiting forever to figure out what it even is, as I wont bother trying to sell/trade with it without having a real good idea.


Doesn't look like buds from my yellow DF.
Bud forming.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/YEL_05-29-2014_zps5c324ba4.jpg)
In bloom.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/yellow_08-23-13_zps2ed2ff57.jpg)
Fruit.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/yellow_09-20-13_zpsb13196f3.jpg)

I'm thinking your buds will fall off in the next few days.

DM

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on July 17, 2014, 05:53:34 PM
The true yellow fruit, as I know it , is  Selenicereus megalanthus . Close to Hylocereus  species but it & its hybrids have spines on the fruit. From my experience the yellow buds picture above are aborting .
Please keep us up dated; could be new variety? 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on July 17, 2014, 05:57:05 PM
I figured that.

ASaffron had the idea that maybe its a rare type inter-species hybrid where the dominant gene are Hylocereus undatus but the skin comes out yellow.

Meanwhile, my 'blue' DF (Hylocereus bronxensis) order came the other day:

(http://s30.postimg.org/5nxuy0uh9/IMG_0879.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5nxuy0uh9/)

(http://s30.postimg.org/rjag4z5u5/IMG_0944_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/rjag4z5u5/)

And the Pineapple Cactus (Selenicereus setaceus) Thao sent me is jamming already:

(http://s30.postimg.org/jbi5uu9n1/IMG_0948_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jbi5uu9n1/)

And my Sword Pear (Acanthocereus tetragonus) hand pollination attempt appears to have worked:

(http://s9.postimg.org/dts4z8ivf/IMG_0949_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/dts4z8ivf/)

Can't wait until next year I'll be doing all kinds of crazy xcereus hybrid attempts...
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on July 17, 2014, 05:59:19 PM
The true yellow fruit, as I know it , is  Selenicereus megalanthus . Close to Hylocereus  species but it & its hybrids have spines on the fruit. From my experience the yellow buds picture above are aborting .
Please keep us up dated; could be new variety?

Dude seemed real cool, real legit. He got it from some lady in Orlando apparently her garage is completely covered over with the stuff. Talked to him since he claims hes going to go back there and get me photos of the flowers/fruits.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on July 17, 2014, 06:11:25 PM


There is a spineless yellow however it lacks the flavor of the spined kind, and is about the same quality as the standard store-bought whites.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on July 17, 2014, 06:22:01 PM
Here's what the 'yellow' cactus itself looks like:
(http://s7.postimg.org/bj5h6k247/IMG_0949_3.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/bj5h6k247/)
(http://s7.postimg.org/bumxjbik7/IMG_0951_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/bumxjbik7/)

Here's an example of a undatus dominant gene:
(http://s2.postimg.org/nmm8ayjet/big_ydragon_p2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/nmm8ayjet/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on July 17, 2014, 07:24:48 PM
Isn't lack of color and albino-ism usually a recessive gene or a genetic defect? Hehe.
The yellow undatus is/was a patented variety from Israel. Supposedly, wild plant do exist that turn that color. I'm not sure the results of that patent challenge.
Anyway, it looks like your yellow fruit is the kind that'll fall off in the coming week. Not sure if I want to be eighties wrong about it, since that yellow undatus fruit is said to be mediocre.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rannman on July 18, 2014, 06:38:40 AM
Hi. Maybe a bit off the current topic but I'm chasing a bit of information on a couple of Dragonfruit varieties that I have acquired.  One is labeled 3S and the other is labeled G2.  I think I have read somewhere that 3S is "Delight" but don't quote me on that. Thanks in advance for any info.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rannman on July 18, 2014, 06:45:11 AM
Here's a picture of a Frankie's Red flower when it's starting to open.
Simon
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Hi Simon. Looking forward to seeing the results of your flowering Frankies Red. I received a cutting from you last year and it is now 7 feet tall. It has grown really well through our winter and I am hoping it will flower this year or early next year. Keep us posted. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 18, 2014, 01:22:51 PM
Hi. Maybe a bit off the current topic but I'm chasing a bit of information on a couple of Dragonfruit varieties that I have acquired.  One is labeled 3S and the other is labeled G2.  I think I have read somewhere that 3S is "Delight" but don't quote me on that. Thanks in advance for any info.

Paul Thomson named his "3-S" hybrid "Delight".

fyliu says; "G2 (part of Paul Thomson's original wild selections for crossing)" Reply #66
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: tanguy on July 18, 2014, 04:16:14 PM
Hi. Maybe a bit off the current topic but I'm chasing a bit of information on a couple of Dragonfruit varieties that I have acquired.  One is labeled 3S and the other is labeled G2.  I think I have read somewhere that 3S is "Delight" but don't quote me on that. Thanks in advance for any info.

Paul Thomson named his "3-S" hybrid "Delight".

fyliu says; "G2 (part of Paul Thomson's original wild selections for crossing)" Reply #66
I think 3S or S3 was named by Paul Thomson. Delight was name by Pine Island Nursery :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 18, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
Hi. Maybe a bit off the current topic but I'm chasing a bit of information on a couple of Dragonfruit varieties that I have acquired.  One is labeled 3S and the other is labeled G2.  I think I have read somewhere that 3S is "Delight" but don't quote me on that. Thanks in advance for any info.

Paul Thomson named his "3-S" hybrid "Delight".

fyliu says; "G2 (part of Paul Thomson's original wild selections for crossing)" Reply #66
I think 3S or S3 was named by Paul Thomson. Delight was name by Pine Island Nursery :)

In Paul Thomson's book, he refers to 3-S as "Delight".  If Pine Island had named it, it would have been more of a psychedelic rock name.   ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: tanguy on July 18, 2014, 06:03:23 PM
Hi. Maybe a bit off the current topic but I'm chasing a bit of information on a couple of Dragonfruit varieties that I have acquired.  One is labeled 3S and the other is labeled G2.  I think I have read somewhere that 3S is "Delight" but don't quote me on that. Thanks in advance for any info.

Paul Thomson named his "3-S" hybrid "Delight".

fyliu says; "G2 (part of Paul Thomson's original wild selections for crossing)" Reply #66
I think 3S or S3 was named by Paul Thomson. Delight was name by Pine Island Nursery :)

In Paul Thomson's book, he refers to 3-S as "Delight".  If Pine Island had named it, it would have been more of a psychedelic rock name.   ;D
The owner of PIN told me that he renamed all dragon fruit varieties he got from California.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 18, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
Hi. Maybe a bit off the current topic but I'm chasing a bit of information on a couple of Dragonfruit varieties that I have acquired.  One is labeled 3S and the other is labeled G2.  I think I have read somewhere that 3S is "Delight" but don't quote me on that. Thanks in advance for any info.


Paul Thomson named his "3-S" hybrid "Delight".

fyliu says; "G2 (part of Paul Thomson's original wild selections for crossing)" Reply #66

I think 3S or S3 was named by Paul Thomson. Delight was name by Pine Island Nursery :)


In Paul Thomson's book, he refers to 3-S as "Delight".  If Pine Island had named it, it would have been more of a psychedelic rock name.   ;D

The owner of PIN told me that he renamed all dragon fruit varieties he got from California.


I think he is wrong and trust Paul Thomson's book and TFF member Sven.

Have you seen October 10, 2013, Reply #225?  http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=228.225 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=228.225)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: tanguy on July 19, 2014, 01:08:19 AM
Hi. Maybe a bit off the current topic but I'm chasing a bit of information on a couple of Dragonfruit varieties that I have acquired.  One is labeled 3S and the other is labeled G2.  I think I have read somewhere that 3S is "Delight" but don't quote me on that. Thanks in advance for any info.


Paul Thomson named his "3-S" hybrid "Delight".

fyliu says; "G2 (part of Paul Thomson's original wild selections for crossing)" Reply #66

I think 3S or S3 was named by Paul Thomson. Delight was name by Pine Island Nursery :)


In Paul Thomson's book, he refers to 3-S as "Delight".  If Pine Island had named it, it would have been more of a psychedelic rock name.   ;D

The owner of PIN told me that he renamed all dragon fruit varieties he got from California.


I think he is wrong and trust Paul Thomson's book and TFF member Sven.

Have you seen October 10, 2013, Reply #225?  [url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=228.225[/url] ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=228.225[/url])

You are right. Maybe he named most of them but not all. Thanks.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nickytwo on July 19, 2014, 01:50:31 AM
Does the amount of thorns tell you anything about cultivar......bought some cuttings..some have single thorns and other have three thorns.....hope it is Dragon fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 19, 2014, 02:22:15 AM
Does the amount of thorns tell you anything about cultivar......bought some cuttings..some have single thorns and other have three thorns.....hope it is Dragon fruit.

If you are talking about named varieties, not really.  Many of the named varieties are closely related and the plant can look the same... but the fruit taste different.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on July 19, 2014, 04:18:27 AM
Here's a picture of a Frankie's Red flower when it's starting to open.
Simon
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Hi Simon. Looking forward to seeing the results of your flowering Frankies Red. I received a cutting from you last year and it is now 7 feet tall. It has grown really well through our winter and I am hoping it will flower this year or early next year. Keep us posted. Thanks again.


You're welcome Ranman, I'm glad the cutting is doing well for you. I have no other dragonfruit varieties with open flowers right now so Frankie's Red will have to be self pollinating if I am to get fruit. If none of these flowers set fruit, I will have to assume that they require cross pollination. I've never tasted a Red x Yellow dragonfruit so I am very eager to try this Frankie's Red. I may even try to cross this Frankies Red with a Halleys Comet in the hopes of getting larger fruit but removing the male anthers, bagging individual flowers and growing out countless seedlings seems like a lot of work:(
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rannman on July 19, 2014, 05:06:40 AM
Here's a picture of a Frankie's Red flower when it's starting to open.
Simon
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Hi Simon. Looking forward to seeing the results of your flowering Frankies Red. I received a cutting from you last year and it is now 7 feet tall. It has grown really well through our winter and I am hoping it will flower this year or early next year. Keep us posted. Thanks again.


You're welcome Ranman, I'm glad the cutting is doing well for you. I have no other dragonfruit varieties with open flowers right now so Frankie's Red will have to be self pollinating if I am to get fruit. If none of these flowers set fruit, I will have to assume that they require cross pollination. I've never tasted a Red x Yellow dragonfruit so I am very eager to try this Frankie's Red. I may even try to cross this Frankies Red with a Halleys Comet in the hopes of getting larger fruit but removing the male anthers, bagging individual flowers and growing out countless seedlings seems like a lot of work:(
Simon
Hi Simon, the growth of the Frankies Red has been impressive and I am looking forward to hopefully getting a few flowers in the coming summer. Like you, I am hoping to cross some of my other varieties with the Frankies in the hope of getting something special. I will hopefully have over 40 different varieties flower this year and I am hoping to cross as many as I can, and after a few emails with a grower in Israel, a cross with the yellow megalanthus and the Frankies Red would be brilliant.  Hopefully good things to come. Thanks again and I look forward to seeing pics of your Frankies fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on July 21, 2014, 01:14:27 AM
In Paul Thomson's book, he refers to 3-S as "Delight".  If Pine Island had named it, it would have been more of a psychedelic rock name.   ;D

Cool. I have pink "Delight".
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicdude on July 22, 2014, 12:24:40 AM
Couple days ago I noticed my small potted Zamorano  has two flowers forming.  I was not expecting any flowers on this plant,  its in a 6-7" container !! and each limb only extends out about 2ft.  or so.  it has been long over due for a transplant into a permanent location,  I have been dragging my feet because Zamorano has some nasty thorns on it, lot longer and closer spaced compared to other varieties I have and have seen. 

I looked online and Zamorano is listed as self pollinating, but that bigger fruit can be obtained by pollinating.

I have always assumed I can just pollinate from the same flower,  but my question is,  can I still get bigger fruit if I hand pollinate using the same flower?  also any experience with the taste of this fruit would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on July 22, 2014, 12:31:26 AM
Not my experience. I find better fruit set & larger fruit when I use pollen from a different clone.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on July 22, 2014, 01:05:40 AM
Couple days ago I noticed my small potted Zamorano  has two flowers forming.  I was not expecting any flowers on this plant,  its in a 6-7" container !! and each limb only extends out about 2ft.  or so.  it has been long over due for a transplant into a permanent location,  I have been dragging my feet because Zamorano has some nasty thorns on it, lot longer and closer spaced compared to other varieties I have and have seen. 

I looked online and Zamorano is listed as self pollinating, but that bigger fruit can be obtained by pollinating.

I have always assumed I can just pollinate from the same flower,  but my question is,  can I still get bigger fruit if I hand pollinate using the same flower?  also any experience with the taste of this fruit would be appreciated.

Yeah Zamorano is thorny. You need a different flower to get bigger fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Tropicdude on July 22, 2014, 11:34:39 AM
Does pollen store in the fridge?  I have another pitaya that is going to flower, but they will probably miss each other by a few days.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on July 22, 2014, 11:49:45 AM
Does pollen store in the fridge?  I have another pitaya that is going to flower, but they will probably miss each other by a few days.
a few days is not a problem. Put a lid on the container to keep it moist.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on July 23, 2014, 01:49:50 AM
I got my 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit variety from PIN. I wonder what is the corresponding name for it in California.

DF Pole Wood Crown Update:

I'm very happy to report that the wood 'crown' on my DF pole has been completed today and boy, it's a doozey!

Originally, I planned to copy the design on previous pictures of this Thread. That was before I realized that my DF pole was round and not squared like the pictures on this Thread. So, I had to improvise and in short, with some help from a friend with carpentry savvy, we made lemonade out of a lemon, so to speak.

Brief description of design: Two opposite wood wedges were removed from the top of the pole so that the inner two pieces of wood that support the 'crown,' would have their weight supported by the pole (these wood pieces were secured to the pole with three galvanized nuts and washers, on both sides at the top of the pole). In turn, these two pieces of wood support the weight of the two pieces of wood that are connected perpendicularly to them. And, finally, these two pieces of wood support the weight of the remaining two pieces of wood, that complete the square shape of the wood DF pole 'crown.'

With this design, the weight of the 'crown' is distributed, using the wood pole as its foundation. IMO, and with all due respect and humility, this design is an improvement over previous designs that I've seen on this Thread. If indeed this is the case, I would love to see a design that also improves on this one.

Finally, I noticed some fruit buds at the top of the DF branch that has passed and grown taller than the pole. So, I went to the store, bought some cactus potting soil and applied it to the base of the DF pole. I'm also thinking of getting some nutritional foliar spray, because the DF roots are not clinging to the pole, due to the pole not being covered with burlap.

I have to admit, these developments are 'kinda' exciting and I can't wait to taste my first 'David Bowie' DF fruit. It's supposed to be quite productive, tasty and of mediumish size. I hope the taste is agreeable.

P.S.   Will post a picture at the earliest chance that I get.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on July 23, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
What is the best way to save df seeds?

I want to store some for later sowing. Just wondering what could be the best way to store and how long would they survive?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 23, 2014, 12:14:02 PM
I got my 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit variety from PIN. I wonder what is the corresponding name for it in California.

I have never heard that David Bowie was a renamed California variety.
David Bowie may be a Pine Island Nursery original.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on July 23, 2014, 09:54:27 PM
I got my 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit variety from PIN. I wonder what is the corresponding name for it in California.

I have never heard that David Bowie was a renamed California variety.
David Bowie may be a Pine Island Nursery original.

So far, yours is the only 'info' that I have to go by, and it sounds good to me. An original, huh? Very nice, 'thanx.'
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 23, 2014, 10:48:39 PM
I got my 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit variety from PIN. I wonder what is the corresponding name for it in California.

I have never heard that David Bowie was a renamed California variety.
David Bowie may be a Pine Island Nursery original.

So far, yours is the only 'info' that I have to go by, and it sounds good to me. An original, huh? Very nice, 'thanx.'

If you trust dragonfruitplants.com...   ???  it says California is the origin.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on July 24, 2014, 12:34:09 AM
How long as any one stored D F pollen & got good fruit set. Did you freeze it? Was anything special done to keep it viable?
Thanks
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rtreid on July 24, 2014, 01:14:09 AM
There was some work published that said if the pollen is dried first it can keep in the refrigerator for a fairly long time, even longer if it is frozen.  I'll look up the reference at work tomorrow.

Richard
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on July 25, 2014, 12:23:49 AM
I got my 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit variety from PIN. I wonder what is the corresponding name for it in California.

I have never heard that David Bowie was a renamed California variety.
David Bowie may be a Pine Island Nursery original.

So far, yours is the only 'info' that I have to go by, and it sounds good to me. An original, huh? Very nice, 'thanx.'

If you trust dragonfruitplants.com...   ???  it says California is the origin.

Thank you for the investigative 'David Bowie' DF geneology. So, my 'David Bowie' DF is from California, was named there, and the name survived the trip from California to PIN in Florida with no name change! As an owner of a 'David Bowie' DF, I did not know this, I find this 'info' impressive and I appreciate your sharing it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 25, 2014, 12:37:33 AM
I got my 'David Bowie' Dragon Fruit variety from PIN. I wonder what is the corresponding name for it in California.

I have never heard that David Bowie was a renamed California variety.
David Bowie may be a Pine Island Nursery original.

So far, yours is the only 'info' that I have to go by, and it sounds good to me. An original, huh? Very nice, 'thanx.'

If you trust dragonfruitplants.com...   ???  it says California is the origin.

Thank you for the investigative 'David Bowie' DF geneology. So, my 'David Bowie' DF is from California, was named there, and the name survived the trip from California to PIN in Florida with no name change! As an owner of a 'David Bowie' DF, I did not know this, I find this 'info' impressive and I appreciate your sharing it.

How do you know that PIN did not name it David Bowie?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on July 25, 2014, 07:34:01 PM
Here are some updates of my DF. The Frankie's Red appears to have set some fruit. My Halley's Comet has some large fruit which appear to be 1-1.5 lbs. The American Beauty has fruit that appear to be from 0.5-1 lbs. The Simons Purple has some very large fruit this year, normally they are about 0.5 lbs but this year, some of them are in the 1lbs range. The Yellow Dragon has many flowers on it this year. Unfortunately, I have a big extended family so my family only gets to eat about 1/5 of the fruit we produce but I'm try to encourage my extended family to plant edible gardens of their own.
Simon
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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on July 26, 2014, 01:17:19 AM
Wow Simon, that's a lot of flowers! One of these days I'll have to come over and see how you train these things.
I think mine are suffocating at the roots. They're producing much fewer fruit than before a foot of clay was dumped on top of the roots. I used to have fairly loose soil with organic matter mixed in.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on July 26, 2014, 05:11:44 AM
Hey Fang,

I have all my dragonfruit in pots and my setup is really poor. They grew so fast and I was so busy with my kids and work that I had very little time to take care of them and train my DF properly. I pretty much let them grow all over the place and nailed some 2x4s into my patio to hold up the vines. I have two layers of DF, one below the shade of the patio and another on top that gets full sun. I started the upper layer this year in an effort to try and maximize production.

The upper layer is all new growth but there is already some fruit and more flowers on the way. Most of the fruit from the first round of blooms is about ready to harvest and the second bloom is just beginning. My Frankie's Red and Yellow Dragon are not even really trellised, I used an old topsy turvy pole and duct tape to bind everything together. Shoot me a pm next time you come down and I can show you my setup.
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rannman on July 26, 2014, 06:36:56 AM
Hi Simon, just out of curiosity, are your Frankies Red self pollinated or crossed.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on July 26, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
There were no other DF varieties around with open flowers so I pollinated each flower with pollen from another branch of Frankie's Red. They appear to be developing nicely and all flowers that opened appear to have set fruit .
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MassSpectrum on July 31, 2014, 12:26:56 AM
There was some work published that said if the pollen is dried first it can keep in the refrigerator for a fairly long time, even longer if it is frozen.  I'll look up the reference at work tomorrow.

Richard

That would be some quite valuable datas....
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on July 31, 2014, 03:50:35 AM
Some of my DF varieties are ripening up now but many of them are splitting this year so I have to harvest them early before they fully color and sweeten up. The largest fruit so far is my Halley's Comet and it weighs 1 lbs 11oz.

My American Beauties are coming in around 1.5 lbs and my larger Simons Purple are also around 1.5 lbs. even though these fruit were picked early due to splitting, there brix was still pretty good. The Americsn a Beauty came in at 18% and the Simons Purple came in at 20%.  I have not tasted the HC yet, it's in the fridge chilling so I'll report back with its brix after I eat it.

So far, my favorite tasting variety is Simons Purple because it tastes very sweet and has the most acidity. There was still a lot of green on all three varieties so i believe the later season fruit will have brix in the low to mid twenties. Thanks for looking!
Simon
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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on July 31, 2014, 12:07:59 PM
Some of my DF varieties are ripening up now but many of them are splitting this year so I have to harvest them early before they fully color and sweeten up. The largest fruit so far is my Halley's Comet and it weighs 1 lbs 11oz.

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How old is your Halley's Comet plant?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rtreid on July 31, 2014, 01:16:56 PM
Simon,

Even with the splitting, those are some nice looking Dragon Fruit

Richard
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: merce3 on July 31, 2014, 01:30:59 PM
can anyone tell me if this is ready to pick?
(http://i.imgur.com/b535GA7.jpg)
located in west central florida area and i'm not sure what cultivar it is (first df).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rtreid on July 31, 2014, 01:32:25 PM
There was some work published that said if the pollen is dried first it can keep in the refrigerator for a fairly long time, even longer if it is frozen.  I'll look up the reference at work tomorrow.

Richard

That would be some quite valuable datas....

The paper is Metz et al., Hortscience 35(2):199-201, 2000

Their results are that after drying the pollen under vacuum for 1 -2 hours. pollen stored in a freezer still gives 100% fruit set and normal sized fruit after 9 months of storage in a freezer.  Fruit set with dried pollen stored in a refrigerator was 60-70% with smaller fruits, but they still got fruit.

I am trying this myself, using dried stored pollen, and can let you know how it works  in a couple of months (just attempted the pollination on Tuesday)
Richard
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on July 31, 2014, 02:23:24 PM
Some of my DF varieties are ripening up now but many of them are splitting this year so I have to harvest them early before they fully color and sweeten up. The largest fruit so far is my Halley's Comet and it weighs 1 lbs 11oz.

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How old is your Halley's Comet plant?

The Halley's Comet is two years old from a 4 foot rooted cutting. They grow really fast with lots of water and fertilizer.

Thanks Richard, I did get some fruit that didn't split. I'm eat all the split fruit and the perfect fruit will go to friends and family.

Merce3, your fruit is ready to eat, the longer you leave it on the tree, the sweeter it will be but it will also get softer and mushy as it's left on longer. Let us know how it tastes!

I'll update with pics of the Frankie's Red soon. They appear to be developing faster than my Yellow Dragons developed last year.
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on July 31, 2014, 04:12:44 PM

Rtreid  :  How are you producing a vacuum? How will you know what the pressure is?
thanks
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on July 31, 2014, 05:51:30 PM
Here is a shot of my Yellow Dragon exploding with flowers, it doesn't have a lot of branches but has over 60 flowers.

The other picture is the Frankies Red developing.

Simon
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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on July 31, 2014, 05:57:39 PM
congrats Simon thats the very best I have ever seen megalanthus bloom!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: merce3 on July 31, 2014, 09:39:08 PM
taste was excellent! glad it was a red, but i have no idea what cultivar.
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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on August 01, 2014, 03:58:55 AM
Thanks cos,

I've learned recently that lots of flowers don't necessarily equate to lots of fruit.

Merce3, that fruit looks really good. I wish more members had refractometers so that we can get a gauge of brix readings from the different varieties and the different locations where the fruit are grown. Thanks for sharing!
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Doglips on August 01, 2014, 07:31:43 AM

Rtreid  :  How are you producing a vacuum? How will you know what the pressure is?
thanks
I've used a food sealer and put dessicant beads in with the pollen, and left then in there.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on August 01, 2014, 07:59:41 AM
Thanks Doglips ,   Very clever!!

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 01, 2014, 11:42:42 AM
merce3, it looks like one of the 8s, arizona purple, houghton bunch. They're all similar.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: merce3 on August 01, 2014, 11:05:52 PM
thanks guys. i'm going to look into a refractometer now. would it work on other fruits?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on August 01, 2014, 11:48:59 PM
Yes and refractometers are only about $30. Make sure you get one that is in the range you want. Mine reads between 0-30 Brix.

Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on August 04, 2014, 01:24:02 AM
hey guys,
What would be the ideal height of a trellis?



Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 04, 2014, 01:52:30 AM
hey guys,
What would be the ideal height of a trellis?

How tall are you?   ;)

5 feet is a good height IMO.

You don't want to have to climb a ladder to pick fruit and/or pollinate flowers.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Doglips on August 04, 2014, 12:30:45 PM
I've heard 6 feet is better to keep the ground predators away, if that is an issue for you.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on August 04, 2014, 01:15:15 PM
Nope, no ground predators here.

Since it is going in the ground, I am considering 2 feet under ground and 5 feet for the plant to climb on.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on August 04, 2014, 02:15:20 PM
We have mongoose here & after a while have learned to climb & eat dragon fruit.
Also rats have become a problem but it took several years till both figured it out.
A grower on the big island has noted that the spiny varieties { frankies red & Selenicereus megalanthus} dont have this problem.
good luck 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 04, 2014, 05:24:49 PM
Most of the Dragon Fruit growers I know have problems with birds and ants damaging fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MangCau on August 05, 2014, 01:20:50 AM
My T style trellis is 3ft high. Much easier to maintain.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on August 05, 2014, 02:16:50 AM
5 feet is a good compromise, I wouldn't go lower than 4.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on August 05, 2014, 02:50:39 AM
Our dragon fruits are loaded with flowers this year.  I hand pollinated a few dozens of flowers last night and another few dozen tonight.  It looks like there will be another wave tomorrow night.  These are the unknown white variety but the fruit is sweet & flavorful and it could reach to a softball size if they're hand pollinated.


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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on August 05, 2014, 02:54:19 AM
Our dragon fruits are loaded with flowers this year.  I hand pollinated a few dozens of flowers last night and another few dozen tonight.  It looks like there will be another wave tomorrow night.  These are the unknown white variety but the fruit is sweet & flavorful and it could reach to a softball size if they're hand pollinated.


(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3915/14853750903_0943fd01d3_b.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3914/14647184010_e6a3362090_b.jpg)

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xshen what an absolutely stunning edible patch you have there. You truly have a green thumb!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Doglips on August 05, 2014, 06:36:16 AM
yea, beautiful.

What is that longans in the background and guavas in the fore?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on August 05, 2014, 11:44:12 AM
Thank you Starling and Doglips. The longan is kahala and guava is a grafted crystal seedless.  The longans and guavas are also very productive this year.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 05, 2014, 11:48:00 AM
Our dragon fruits are loaded with flowers this year.  I hand pollinated a few dozens of flowers last night and another few dozen tonight.  It looks like there will be another wave tomorrow night.  These are the unknown white variety but the fruit is sweet & flavorful and it could reach to a softball size if they're hand pollinated.

By any chance are you going to the 2014 Pitahaya Festival?  ::)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on August 05, 2014, 11:55:09 AM
Our dragon fruits are loaded with flowers this year.  I hand pollinated a few dozens of flowers last night and another few dozen tonight.  It looks like there will be another wave tomorrow night.  These are the unknown white variety but the fruit is sweet & flavorful and it could reach to a softball size if they're hand pollinated.

By any chance are you going to the 2014 Pitahaya Festival?  ::)

I will try to make it if I can fnd a sitter.  I brought my son to the mango presentation and had to leave early cuase he got bored.   :-\
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on August 06, 2014, 11:53:55 PM
Today I was surprised when a dear Mexican friend told me that she has a very delicious variety of Pitaya (Dragon Fruit). And, she is a very good 'Cook!' Immediatly, she had my attention, I mean, she's Mexican, a Cook, and I personally know her quite well. So, I'm hoping that her DF variety does taste as good as she says, which I have no reason to doubt. The way she described the taste was so good, that the next time I see her, I'm 'gonna' ask her to what other fruit is the taste quality similar to. She did ask me how many pieces I wanted, and not to be greedy, I said two. I can't wait to get the two pieces of her delicious variety, so that I can start the process of growing them, and ultimately compare the taste and overall quality to the only variety that I currently have ('David Bowie').

P.S.   My 'David Bowie' earlier this year produced the first 3 flowers ever. Then, they all dropped and no fruit followed. After this happened, I fertilized the plant. And, right now, it has 2 beautiful new flowers. I'm hoping to finally get fruit afterwards.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Doglips on August 07, 2014, 12:33:22 PM
Last night I had a flower bloom that I forgot about until I saw it this AM (4:30am , sad right?).  Anyways I tried to hand pollinate it.  What are the the odds of a sucessfull pollination at 4:30AM relative to when the flower opens at about 8:30PM?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on August 07, 2014, 02:22:34 PM
Works for me. The results have been better when night pollinated.  Think will depend on the clone as some are more receptive than others.
Lets us know how it turns out
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 07, 2014, 04:01:15 PM
Today I was surprised when a dear Mexican friend told me that she has a very delicious variety of Pitaya (Dragon Fruit).
I thought dragon fruit is known as pitahaya in Mexico and pitaya is the columnar cactus. Those are good too except they flower near the top.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on August 11, 2014, 11:43:48 PM
Today I was surprised when a dear Mexican friend told me that she has a very delicious variety of Pitaya (Dragon Fruit).
I thought dragon fruit is known as pitahaya in Mexico and pitaya is the columnar cactus. Those are good too except they flower near the top.

The Dragon Fruit (Pitaya in Spanish) is a beautiful fruit cactus whose populatiry is accelerating. At one point, I expect it to catch on fire when a truly sweet variety is found.

There is an older, more mature cacti industry in Mexico, whereas in the USA, it's only now that it's starting to get some real traction. As a result, I've always wandered whether there already is an unknown, surprisingly sweet variety of Pitaya or Prickly-Pear that is not generally known about. Anyways, things are starting to get interesting, with both growing industries in Mexico and the USA, the conditions are likely to produce a surprisingly sweet variety(ies).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 12, 2014, 12:35:17 AM
Is "Pitaya" Dragon Fruit or Prickly Pear?

In Southern California many CRFG call Dragon Fruit Pitahaya.

Wikipedia says; A pitaya or pitahaya is the fruit of several cactus species. "Pitaya" usually refers to fruit of the genus Stenocereus, while "Pitahaya" or "Dragonfruit" always refers to fruit of the genus Hylocereus.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 12, 2014, 12:39:26 AM
I thought dragon fruit is known as pitahaya in Mexico and pitaya is the columnar cactus. Those are good too except they flower near the top.

That sounds about right to me.  But...  I don't speak Spanish.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 12, 2014, 12:46:43 AM
There is an older, more mature cacti industry in Mexico, whereas in the USA, it's only now that it's starting to get some real traction. As a result, I've always wandered whether there already is an unknown, surprisingly sweet variety of Pitaya or Prickly-Pear that is not generally known about. Anyways, things are starting to get interesting, with both growing industries in Mexico and the USA, the conditions are likely to produce a surprisingly sweet variety(ies).

The UCCE has in their collection in Irvine, CA some tasty varieties from Nicaragua growers.  My favorite is Armando. Lisa is popular with participants at tasting events.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on August 12, 2014, 01:02:32 AM
Here is an update of my Frankie's Red fruit. They seem to be growing larger than what I expected. Frankie's Red appears like it will fill the void between the regular DF and the Yellow megalanthus. Anyone have pictures showing the final size or perhaps the inside of a Frankie's Red? Any additional information on Frankie's Red is greatly appreciated.

Simon
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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 12, 2014, 12:15:32 PM
Here is an update of my Frankie's Red fruit. They seem to be growing larger than what I expected. Frankie's Red appears like it will fill the void between the regular DF and the Yellow megalanthus. Anyone have pictures showing the final size or perhaps the inside of a Frankie's Red? Any additional information on Frankie's Red is greatly appreciated.

I did not know that Frankie's Red fruit was so thorny!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on August 12, 2014, 12:35:19 PM
Here is an update of my Frankie's Red fruit. They seem to be growing larger than what I expected. Frankie's Red appears like it will fill the void between the regular DF and the Yellow megalanthus. Anyone have pictures showing the final size or perhaps the inside of a Frankie's Red? Any additional information on Frankie's Red is greatly appreciated.

I did not know that Frankie's Red fruit was so thorny!

Should keep the critters off :).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on August 12, 2014, 12:51:34 PM
Here is an update of my Frankie's Red fruit. They seem to be growing larger than what I expected. Frankie's Red appears like it will fill the void between the regular DF and the Yellow megalanthus. Anyone have pictures showing the final size or perhaps the inside of a Frankie's Red? Any additional information on Frankie's Red is greatly appreciated.

I did not know that Frankie's Red fruit was so thorny!

The Frankie's Red is supposed to be a cross of a red fleshed DF and the S Megalanthus and it looks like it retained the spines of the Megalanthus. The spines will hopefully keep the pests away.

Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on August 12, 2014, 02:11:49 PM
the spines do stop rats!!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on August 13, 2014, 12:54:56 AM
Is "Pitaya" Dragon Fruit or Prickly Pear?

In Southern California many CRFG call Dragon Fruit Pitahaya.

Wikipedia says; A pitaya or pitahaya is the fruit of several cactus species. "Pitaya" usually refers to fruit of the genus Stenocereus, while "Pitahaya" or "Dragonfruit" always refers to fruit of the genus Hylocereus.

The 'Torrance...' Prickly-Pear variety that I got from Nullzero is the sweetest/best tasting fruit cacti that I've ever had, whether DF (Pitaya) or Prickly-Pear. This gives me hope that there are sweeter cacti fruit out there (whether in Mexico ... or the USA) with similar or better quality.

The two flowers that the 'David Bowie' DF had are now gone; waiting to see if fruit follows. For the first time this year, there is flowering action, if no fruit this year, perhaps the next.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on August 13, 2014, 09:14:08 AM
Hey LEOOEL, did the Torrent prickly pear have hard or soft seeds? I've tasted some excellent and very sweet prickly pear fruit but they always had very hard seeds similar to guava.

Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on August 13, 2014, 11:54:15 AM
Hey LEOOEL, did the Torrent prickly pear have hard or soft seeds? I've tasted some excellent and very sweet prickly pear fruit but they always had very hard seeds similar to guava.

Simon


Simon,

Torrance PCH#1 is what I call the selection, it has small soft seeds which can be chewed on or swallowed. The seeds count is also on the lower side per fruit. The selection sets excellent large quality fruit in CA and FL. You can read more about it on the following post:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3935.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3935.0)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 13, 2014, 03:56:43 PM
I had 2 fruits on it last year but they disappeared :( They looked delicious though.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on August 13, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
I had 2 fruits on it last year but they disappeared :( They looked delicious though.

Fang,

Most of had critters that know good fruit  ;), critters don't usually touch prickly pears because of the glochids. However, this selection has a low amount of glochids which drop off over time (due to rain and wind, I was able to pick bare hand in FL with no glochids)

Torrance PCH#1 prickly pears hold ripe fruits on the plant for a good +3 months without decline in fruit quality in CA (I assume this is close to the same even in hot humid FL).

Btw, I have heard that Cereus crosses with Hylocereus and sets viable seeds. Also that some people are already growing some of these crosses out. If you heard any information on this, would love to hear about it. I would love to grow out tasty Dragon Fruits on a columnar cactus in the future (one can dream :) ).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 14, 2014, 12:04:10 AM
([url]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-h9moDAirTPw/UPNtLu48lMI/AAAAAAAAEik/5F4I6kgcoag/s640/P1060170.JPG[/url])

Torrance PCH#1 is what I call the selection, it has small soft seeds which can be chewed on or swallowed. The seeds count is also on the lower side per fruit. The selection sets excellent large quality fruit in CA and FL. You can read more about it on the following post:

[url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3935.0[/url] ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3935.0[/url])


The next time I am in Torrance, CA I would like to look for Torrance PCH#1.

Is that Pacific Coast Highway or Calle Mayor in the picture above?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on August 14, 2014, 12:18:13 AM
I had 2 fruits on it last year but they disappeared :( They looked delicious though.

Fang,

Most of had critters that know good fruit  ;), critters don't usually touch prickly pears because of the glochids. However, this selection has a low amount of glochids which drop off over time (due to rain and wind, I was able to pick bare hand in FL with no glochids)

Torrance PCH#1 prickly pears hold ripe fruits on the plant for a good +3 months without decline in fruit quality in CA (I assume this is close to the same even in hot humid FL).

Btw, I have heard that Cereus crosses with Hylocereus and sets viable seeds. Also that some people are already growing some of these crosses out. If you heard any information on this, would love to hear about it. I would love to grow out tasty Dragon Fruits on a columnar cactus in the future (one can dream :) ).

Great, imaginative idea Nullzy, Cereus crosses with Hylocereus, I love it. You're the expert, but I don't see why it can't be done. Currently, I have both, Cereus and Hylocereus cacti (DF), and I think crossing them is worth considering. Or, how about crossing the DF with a thornless and low glochid count cacti (which I also have)? If it works, the use of a wood pole to support the DF may, as a result, be avoided.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on August 14, 2014, 12:30:40 AM
([url]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-h9moDAirTPw/UPNtLu48lMI/AAAAAAAAEik/5F4I6kgcoag/s640/P1060170.JPG[/url])

Torrance PCH#1 is what I call the selection, it has small soft seeds which can be chewed on or swallowed. The seeds count is also on the lower side per fruit. The selection sets excellent large quality fruit in CA and FL. You can read more about it on the following post:

[url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3935.0[/url] ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3935.0[/url])


The next time I am in Torrance, CA I would like to look for Torrance PCH#1.

Is that Pacific Coast Highway or Calle Mayor in the picture above?


It does not look as glorious today, it was hacked back big time about a year ago or so. Its PCH, near Calle Mayor. There is a taco bell down the street. You have to tread up a small trail that goes on the backside of homes fence line. I went in the middle of the day to collect the pads outside the fence line. The area is general city property as far as I know, btw there is a loud dog that will bark most likely if you go on the thin trail which then leads to no trail on top of iceplant.

I can save you the trouble and get a pad out to you, +10 people have it now most likely. This prickly pear is perfect in every way just about (tasty orange size fruit with low seed count and soft seeds), its only minor downside is moderate/low fruit production (which may be boosted with fertilizer regimen). I want to eventually cross it with another Opuntia sp. selection with higher fruit production. Hopefully retaining most of the qualities of this one. Next time I get fruit, I am going to clean off the seeds and send them out to people as well.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on August 15, 2014, 10:57:35 AM
How to identify df varieties?

Is there any way to distinguish one dragon from the other? The ones we get at grocery stores don't mention the variety on it, neither do the online groceries.

I know there are about 2 dozen varieties but is there any way to identify what variety I am buying?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 15, 2014, 11:46:47 AM
How to identify df varieties?

Is there any way to distinguish one dragon from the other? The ones we get at grocery stores don't mention the variety on it, neither do the online groceries.

I know there are about 2 dozen varieties but is there any way to identify what variety I am buying?
You can mostly tell the flesh color. Pink outside is white flesh. Orange outside is pink flesh. Round and thick skinned is deep red flesh. Between the same flesh color it's very difficult. DF hybridize easily and many varieties areally not really that different in looks or taste.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 15, 2014, 12:57:06 PM
How to identify df varieties?

Is there any way to distinguish one dragon from the other? The ones we get at grocery stores don't mention the variety on it, neither do the online groceries.

I know there are about 2 dozen varieties but is there any way to identify what variety I am buying?

You can't identify 'named' varieties by looking at them.  A true Physical Graffiti clone might look like a Dragon Fruit plant grown from a Physical Graffiti seed...  BUT, they are not the same.

fyliu, Are you going to the Pitahaya Festival Field Day tasting?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 15, 2014, 01:21:56 PM
fyliu, Are you going to the Pitahaya Festival Field Day tasting?
No I'm not going. It's good to learn about the new varieties but most of the information seems to be the same every year.

It's a growers' event so I guess they repeat the information for new growers.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 15, 2014, 02:26:29 PM
fyliu, Are you going to the Pitahaya Festival Field Day tasting?
No I'm not going. It's good to learn about the new varieties but most of the information seems to be the same every year.
It's a growers' event so I guess they repeat the information for new growers.

Yes, very true.  It has grown from a "CRFG" growers event to a commercial growers event.

I am going to hang out with friends and to get some cuttings of some 'named' white flesh varieties.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on August 15, 2014, 05:04:51 PM
([url]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-h9moDAirTPw/UPNtLu48lMI/AAAAAAAAEik/5F4I6kgcoag/s640/P1060170.JPG[/url])

Torrance PCH#1 is what I call the selection, it has small soft seeds which can be chewed on or swallowed. The seeds count is also on the lower side per fruit. The selection sets excellent large quality fruit in CA and FL. You can read more about it on the following post:

[url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3935.0[/url] ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3935.0[/url])


The next time I am in Torrance, CA I would like to look for Torrance PCH#1.

Is that Pacific Coast Highway or Calle Mayor in the picture above?



My guess is that this  is a hybrid of opuntia robusta (silver dollar cactus) and some other opuntia. Pretty sure o. robusta has purple/red fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on August 16, 2014, 02:47:13 AM
@fyliu, @ricshaw
Thanks. So no easy way to know what variety it is either by looks or taste? I guess the flesh color is all that matters, am I right?

Some day I plan to grow df commercially. Hence the research.  :)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 16, 2014, 11:34:55 AM
Dmk, most good varieties do not pollinate themselves. They also bloom at night which makes it difficult to pollinate commercially. That's why I always see poor-tasting DF in the markets. I heard they have white and red fleshed fruits sold in China. Maybe labor is cheap enough over there.

The yellow megalanthus will set fruit by itself and is sweet. And simon said there's a larger fruited variety sold in Hong Kong. Maybe you can try to find that and find out if it grows well in your climate.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 16, 2014, 12:45:10 PM
@fyliu, @ricshaw
Thanks. So no easy way to know what variety it is either by looks or taste? I guess the flesh color is all that matters, am I right?
Some day I plan to grow df commercially. Hence the research.  :)

Not in my opinion. It is "taste" that really matters.

Flesh color is more of an indication of what species it is; White flesh = Hylocereus undatus, Red flesh = Hylocereus polyrhizus, and "pink" or magenta flesh = hybrid cross of H. undatus x H. polyrthizus.  This is only a very simplistic description and does not include other species like the Yellow skin Selenicereus and exceptions.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 16, 2014, 01:03:02 PM
Dmk, most good varieties do not pollinate themselves. They also bloom at night which makes it difficult to pollinate commercially. That's why I always see poor-tasting DF in the markets. I heard they have white and red fleshed fruits sold in China. Maybe labor is cheap enough over there.

The yellow megalanthus will set fruit by itself and is sweet. And simon said there's a larger fruited variety sold in Hong Kong. Maybe you can try to find that and find out if it grows well in your climate.


You have heard that they have white and red flesh Dragon Fruit sold in China? 

Do a Google Image Search with "cây thanh long" to find pictures of serious commercial Dragon Fruit growers in Vietnam.

Not my pictures.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/thanhlongvn_zps8b07510a.jpg)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/thanglongriver_zps469027f0.jpg)


Picture I took of red flesh Dragon Fruit being sold in Saigon central market.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/hcmc_3344_zps32924020.jpg)

Vietnam growers supply Dragon Fruit to Asia.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 17, 2014, 12:26:15 AM
I have not seen the red fleshed fruits. My dad went one time and said there were both, and told me to stop growing them here because they're so cheap over there. But that was 3 years ago and I still don't see red fleshed fruits coming from any Asian country. I have purchased and eaten yellow megalanthus from Toronto Chinatown. They're from something like Costa rica. Sweet but the seeds are larger and pop when you bite and has this sticky interior. Stuff like that really slow down my eating. I'm the kind of person that needs to pop every sesame seed before swallowing.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 17, 2014, 01:02:56 PM
Vietnam Dragon Fruit production:

http://youtu.be/zz9OsjfYziw (http://youtu.be/zz9OsjfYziw)


Short YouTube slideshow showing Vietnam Red flesh Dragon Fruit farm:

http://youtu.be/zFPNikCrxok?list=UUQYqyXuUMgcuRlBl0kk_vmg (http://youtu.be/zFPNikCrxok?list=UUQYqyXuUMgcuRlBl0kk_vmg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on August 17, 2014, 01:35:15 PM
Pollination is one of the biggest issues I have stumbled across in my research. Hand pollinating at night brings about an altogether new challenge. Walking acres of land hand pollinating each flower at night not only sounds scary but can prove lethal (snakes, scorpions).

I wonder how farms across the world tackle this? Or do they just don't plant hand pollinating variety commercially?

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 17, 2014, 02:55:54 PM
Pollination is one of the biggest issues I have stumbled across in my research. Hand pollinating at night brings about an altogether new challenge. Walking acres of land hand pollinating each flower at night not only sounds scary but can prove lethal (snakes, scorpions).

I wonder how farms across the world tackle this? Or do they just don't plant hand pollinating variety commercially?

It is my understanding that most commercial growers avoid varieties that require hand pollination.

It is also important to understand that planting a field with the same Dragon Fruit species is different than planting a field with the same Dragon Fruit clone which might make a difference.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on August 17, 2014, 04:36:46 PM
One of the things that I've now gathered from this Thread is that the production of DF has been mastered in places like Vietnam/Asia and is going at full steam in places like Mexico, Southern parts of the USA... I'd be really surprised if there already isn't a knock your socks off sweet tasting DF variety out there, that is just waiting for DF newbies like myself to taste; the hunt continues.

Also, thank you Nullzero for your efforts in improving the fruit yield of your 'Torrence' prickly-pear, by methods of seed propagation and eventually crossing it with another prominent/productive Opuntia variety. To increase the odds of success, you may want to cross it with 2 or 3 prominent/productive Opuntia varieties. Thank you for considering doing this. I can't wait for the news when it's been done and we would just be waiting for time to show the results; very exciting.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 17, 2014, 05:17:31 PM
Watermelon, that is not knock your socks off sweet tasting, is still a commercially successful and popular product.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 22, 2014, 02:02:25 AM
My friend over on Project Pitaya on Facebook posted this picture of Dragon Fruit flowers:

(https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/10624948_285420128318104_1904621095041254061_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on August 23, 2014, 10:44:00 PM
Dragon Fruit Noob here...

I tasted my first Southern Ca grown Dragon Fruit....holy cow!!!!! destroyed my original impression of the one I ate form the Asian Markets.....

Anyone care to mention some top 5 Dragon fruits that I can squeeze along the fence line....this is definitely a must have fruit!!!!!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 23, 2014, 11:17:04 PM
Dragon Fruit Noob here...

I tasted my first Southern Ca grown Dragon Fruit....holy cow!!!!! destroyed my original impression of the one I ate form the Asian Markets.....

Anyone care to mention some top 5 Dragon fruits that I can squeeze along the fence line....this is definitely a must have fruit!!!!!


Do you want my favorites?  Or somebody else?  ;D

Taste depends on the individual.  For example: Today at the 2014 Pitahaya Dragon Fruit Festival, my CRFG friend and I decided that the new El Grullo variety (originally from Mexico) was the worst tasting variety we tasted today. I met two other participants who said it was their favorite.  :-\

To get an idea of a "group's" favorite tasting varieties; scroll down to near the end of the following 2007 Specialty Crops Conference PowerPoint presentation:
http://cesandiego.ucdavis.edu/files/55065.pdf (http://cesandiego.ucdavis.edu/files/55065.pdf)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 23, 2014, 11:43:13 PM
The latest Dragon Fruit Variety Evaluation Chart I picked up at today's University of California Cooperative Extension Pitahaya Dragon Fruit Festival:

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/2014Pitahaya-DFChart_zps7417b409.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on August 24, 2014, 12:51:53 AM
Informative DF variety list.

Although on the smallish side, the winners, as far as sweet taste goes, is the 'Colombiana' and the 'Yellow Dragon.' Surprisingly, both are of the yellow variety. According to the chart, these varieties unfortunately do not tolerate well extreme temperatures of  heat and cold. Nevertheless, in locations where these temperature extremes are uncommon, they may turn out to be must have varieties for those of us who love to grow this fruit.

These two varieties appear to be great candidates for further development/improvement; either by planting their seeds to arrive at better selections; or crossing them with other varieties like 'American Beauty,' 'Delight,' or 'El Grullo;' or by more scientifically inclined means like improving their characteristics by the noble technique of using bacteria to appropriately and safely change the DF variety's genetic makeup; or by selecting the best candidate from a group of potential candidates, after their genetic makeup has been randomly altered from being bombarded with 'photons' shot from a special type of 'gun.'

It's great to see things moving in the right direction in the DF industry. It appears that as a result of these DF variety comparisons of their characteristics, this will lead to new and improved varieties, bringing us closer to the day when a DF of high quality sweet taste will be available to the general public.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 24, 2014, 01:31:33 AM
Informative DF variety list.

Although on the smallish side, the winners, as far as sweet taste goes, is the 'Colombiana' and the 'Yellow Dragon.' Surprisingly, both are of the yellow variety. According to the chart, these varieties unfortunately do not tolerate well extreme temperatures of  heat and cold. Nevertheless, in locations where these temperature extremes are uncommon, they may turn out to be must have varieties for those of us who love to grow this fruit.

These two varieties appear to be great candidates for further development/improvement; either by planting their seeds to arrive at better selections; or crossing them with other varieties like 'American Beauty,' 'Delight,' or 'El Grullo;' or by more scientifically inclined means like improving their characteristics by the noble technique of using bacteria to appropriately and safely change the DF variety's genetic makeup; or by selecting the best candidate from a group of potential candidates, after their genetic makeup has been randomly altered from being bombarded with 'photons' shot from a special type of 'gun.'

It's great to see things moving in the right direction in the DF industry. It appears that as a result of these DF variety comparisons of their characteristics, this will lead to new and improved varieties, bringing us closer to the day when a DF of high quality sweet taste will be available to the general public.

LEOOEL,
I know that you are a big fan of of the Yellow Dragon Fruit from Colombia, but not all the experts agree that it is the best candidate for commercial growers.

At today's Pitahaya Dragon Fruit Festival the experts and the University doing research for commercial growers rate the following order of priority for new commercial varieties:
#1 - self-fertile
#2 - harder skin
#3 - taste

The problems mentioned for the Yellow Dragon Fruit are; thorns, lack of color (red skin & red flesh preferred), small fruit, long time for fruit to ripen (6 months compared to 30 days), in addition to the low tolerance to low & high temperatures.

You also can't assume that a higher BRIX score will always taste sweeter. Yes, the Yellow Dragon fruit is the sweetest tasting, but the red flesh (small fruit) Sugar Dragon (Thomson S-8) in some taste tests has beat the Yellow variety. With some of the other varieties with high BRIX scores, higher acid taste lowers the taste preference for some people.

I have never heard anybody mention using bacteria to change Dragon Fruit's genetic makeup.  The experts doing research on new varieties do it the old fashion way by cross pollination and growing the seeds to maturity and then evaluating the fruit.


F.Y.I.  At today's Pitahaya Dragon Fruit Festival it was mentioned that Florida is the BEST state for growing Dragon Fruit in the U.S.  :o
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 24, 2014, 01:54:05 AM
The latest Dragon Fruit Variety Evaluation Chart I picked up at today's University of California Cooperative Extension Pitahaya Dragon Fruit Festival:

([url]http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/2014Pitahaya-DFChart_zps7417b409.jpg[/url])


The DNA test results are in for the above varieties:

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/dnaresults_zpsf08be5a1.jpg)

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on August 24, 2014, 02:26:17 AM
Thank you so much for giving me the inside scoop on the different cultivars...I had no idea Dragon Fruit had such a great following.


Are any of the nurseries in Socal selling these top tier varieties?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 24, 2014, 11:26:23 AM
Thank you so much for giving me the inside scoop on the different cultivars...I had no idea Dragon Fruit had such a great following.

Are any of the nurseries in Socal selling these top tier varieties?


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Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 24, 2014, 04:18:51 PM
I preferred valdivia roja when I first got into DF. I'm still waiting for my own plant to fruit.
The American beauty bunch is pretty sweet at 18 brix. 16-18 brix is the point where tart goes to sweet for DF.
The Halleys comet bunch is good too. But you would want to get a plain Vietnamese white self-fertile for pollen and just to have some fruit to cheer you up if you forget or are too busy to pollinate.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on August 24, 2014, 04:33:56 PM
Seems they only have cuttings available for all the top tier varieties.... Noob here lol...is this something that I must graft? or can this be planted in the ground?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: wslau on August 24, 2014, 04:39:03 PM
Seems they only have cuttings available for all the top tier varieties.... Noob here lol...is this something that I must graft? or can this be planted in the ground?

Clay,
Just plant cuttings into the ground (pots are better) with a support stick/trellis...no grafting required!
What you have to watch out for are pitayas grown from seeds, as these will not be truly identical to the parent...from what I recall.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 24, 2014, 06:21:15 PM
Yeah, seeds will be different from the parent.

Be sure to use a porous mix for soil. The roots are not evolved to dig into soil but rather to drape over branches in the top canopy of a rainforest. This may not be absolutely true but it's what I keep in mind when deciding what soil to use.
I tried regular garden soil and the plant just grows very slowly and roots are an inch long after 2 years.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 24, 2014, 06:39:54 PM
Be sure to use a porous mix for soil. The roots are not evolved to dig into soil but rather to drape over branches in the top canopy of a rainforest. This may not be absolutely true but it's what I keep in mind when deciding what soil to use.
I tried regular garden soil and the plant just grows very slowly and roots are an inch long after 2 years.

It is important to know that Dragon Fruit cactus is not a desert cactus and likes a potting soil with more compost than a "cactus mix". I have rooted cuttings, after they have set for 2 weeks, in a cup with about 1/4 - 1/2 inch of water. Once DF starts growing in soil, it requires more water than desert cactus.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 24, 2014, 10:51:54 PM
Each seedling is a new Dragon Fruit variety.

The young plants will be grown to maturity and then the fruit evaluated.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/seedlings_4635_zps174ed442.jpg)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/seedlings_4636_zps2fc09061.jpg)

Research is being done by Edgar Valdivia.

Note:  The two parent varieties are two of the more popular DF varieties.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rannman on August 25, 2014, 12:07:21 AM
Are they Frankies Red x Condor seedlings as it says on the jar. Should be a great cross if that's right. I've never seen seedlings grown like that. I chose the strongest 50+ seedlings and put them straight into small pots, then heaps of Sun. Doesn't seem to worry them at all. Just like these ones that are almost 4 months old. These are Pink Diamond cross with a wild,extra sweet white.
(http://s23.postimg.org/4k4n5wrsn/KINDLE_CAMERA_1406900806000.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4k4n5wrsn/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: marklee on August 25, 2014, 12:11:08 AM
I preferred valdivia roja when I first got into DF. I'm still waiting for my own plant to fruit.
The American beauty bunch is pretty sweet at 18 brix. 16-18 brix is the point where tart goes to sweet for DF.
The Halleys comet bunch is good too. But you would want to get a plain Vietnamese white self-fertile for pollen and just to have some fruit to cheer you up if you forget or are too busy to pollinate.
Fang, I have had my Valdivia Roja in the ground for about 7 years, I can only get fruit if I use pollen from a different variety, but it is one of the tastiest and prettiest varieties. It is from Mexico and Edgar Valdivia did not develop it if anyone was wondering.
Mark
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 25, 2014, 02:04:04 AM
Are they Frankies Red x Condor seedlings as it says on the jar. Should be a great cross if that's right.

Yes    :)


I preferred valdivia roja when I first got into DF. I'm still waiting for my own plant to fruit.
The American beauty bunch is pretty sweet at 18 brix. 16-18 brix is the point where tart goes to sweet for DF.
The Halleys comet bunch is good too. But you would want to get a plain Vietnamese white self-fertile for pollen and just to have some fruit to cheer you up if you forget or are too busy to pollinate.

You are right.  I have both, but I am mainly growing Delight (Thomson 3-S) and Halley's Comet (closely related).

This year my goal was to get some Vietnamese white self-fertile. I got Vietnamese White, Vietnamese Giant, and Mexicana cuttings.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 25, 2014, 02:17:29 AM
I preferred valdivia roja when I first got into DF. I'm still waiting for my own plant to fruit.
The American beauty bunch is pretty sweet at 18 brix. 16-18 brix is the point where tart goes to sweet for DF.
The Halleys comet bunch is good too. But you would want to get a plain Vietnamese white self-fertile for pollen and just to have some fruit to cheer you up if you forget or are too busy to pollinate.
Fang, I have had my Valdivia Roja in the ground for about 7 years, I can only get fruit if I use pollen from a different variety, but it is one of the tastiest and prettiest varieties. It is from Mexico and Edgar Valdivia did not develop it if anyone was wondering.
Mark
Thanks for the information. I got the cutting at the last one I attended, maybe 3-4 years ago. It flowered this year but I didn't pollinate and it dropped.
Ramiro doesn't pollinate but some animals (bats?) there do pollinate and he does get fruits.

Richard, I actually didn't get the white self-fertile either and went for the better tasting ones. Good thing the Arizona Purple seems to be self-fruiting when everything else is not. But I personally don't like the taste of it. It tastes a little metallic to me while other people really like it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on August 25, 2014, 03:38:34 AM
Are they Frankies Red x Condor seedlings as it says on the jar. Should be a great cross if that's right.

Yes    :)


I preferred valdivia roja when I first got into DF. I'm still waiting for my own plant to fruit.
The American beauty bunch is pretty sweet at 18 brix. 16-18 brix is the point where tart goes to sweet for DF.
The Halleys comet bunch is good too. But you would want to get a plain Vietnamese white self-fertile for pollen and just to have some fruit to cheer you up if you forget or are too busy to pollinate.

You are right.  I have both, but I am mainly growing Delight (Thomson 3-S) and Halley's Comet (closely related).

This year my goal was to get some Vietnamese white self-fertile. I got Vietnamese White, Vietnamese Giant, and Mexicana cuttings.

I'll register my interest in a cutting or small rooted plant early Ric. Can never get enough dragon CV's.

Make sure you give them a name!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dante on August 25, 2014, 08:53:38 AM
I got a cutting that I recently potted. The cutting seems to keep developing a fruit.... Should i rip it off so it doesnt affect the rooting and development of the cutting? Or there is no problem in leaving it on?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 25, 2014, 12:35:32 PM
Thanks for the information. I got the cutting at the last one I attended, maybe 3-4 years ago. It flowered this year but I didn't pollinate and it dropped.
Ramiro doesn't pollinate but some animals (bats?) there do pollinate and he does get fruits.
Richard, I actually didn't get the white self-fertile either and went for the better tasting ones. Good thing the Arizona Purple seems to be self-fruiting when everything else is not. But I personally don't like the taste of it. It tastes a little metallic to me while other people really like it.

I did the same thing... started with a couple of varieties I liked the best.

Here is the dirty little secret that many of us did not know when we started:
At the Irvine Pitahaya research center, the 20 DF varieties are planted 3 of the same variety together in a row, randomly repeated, in every row in the test field.
At any given time, there are flowers opening from several different varieties. Bees do most of the pollinating. Hand pollination would increase the yield, but is not practical for commercial growers, which is what the research center is geared towards.

Hobbyist growers like me plant a couple of varieties we like best (most likely NOT self-fertle). When the flowers open on one variety, we may not have a good compatible pollinator available for pollination. So we have issues with pollination. Another thing I found out is although you can pollinate flowers the next morning, it is better to collect pollen for hand pollination the night before.

The advice for noobs starting out is to FIRST plant a self-fertile Vietnamese variety. That way they will have a good source for pollen when the varieties they like flower.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on August 25, 2014, 04:29:57 PM
Thank you so much for giving me the inside scoop on the different cultivars...I had no idea Dragon Fruit had such a great following.

Are any of the nurseries in Socal selling these top tier varieties?


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IM SO EXCITED!!!! Matts Landscape/Epic-Cacti Nursery is located right next door to me in Fallbrook... He has several top tier Dragon Fruit cutting that I'm looking at picking up this weekend.. These are my picks as of now based on color of flesh and flavor reviews.

Rosa
Sin Espina
Cebra
and a toss up between Mexican and Delight...both have the pretty pink n white flesh but Delight is much more higher on the Brix lvl.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 25, 2014, 06:58:17 PM
Dirty little secret #2:

"self pollinating" does not mean "self-fertile"

When you see a nursery advertise a Dragon Fruit is "self pollinating", do not assume that you can pollinate its flower with its own pollen (or pollen from its clone).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on August 25, 2014, 07:03:45 PM
Thank you so much for giving me the inside scoop on the different cultivars...I had no idea Dragon Fruit had such a great following.

Are any of the nurseries in Socal selling these top tier varieties?


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IM SO EXCITED!!!! Matts Landscape/Epic-Cacti Nursery is located right next door to me in Fallbrook... He has several top tier Dragon Fruit cutting that I'm looking at picking up this weekend.. These are my picks as of now based on color of flesh and flavor reviews.

Rosa
Sin Espina
Cebra
and a toss up between Mexican and Delight...both have the pretty pink n white flesh but Delight is much more higher on the Brix lvl.


Clay,

See if he has Condor, I have heard good things about it. Lucky you get to tour his nursery, he has an excellent collection of fruiting and flowering cacti. Should ask him if he has any good tasting Epi cacti for sale :).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 25, 2014, 07:06:54 PM
IM SO EXCITED!!!! Matts Landscape/Epic-Cacti Nursery is located right next door to me in Fallbrook... He has several top tier Dragon Fruit cutting that I'm looking at picking up this weekend.. These are my picks as of now based on color of flesh and flavor reviews.

Rosa
Sin Espina
Cebra
and a toss up between Mexican and Delight...both have the pretty pink n white flesh but Delight is much more higher on the Brix lvl.

UC DNA testing has shown that Lisa, Rosa and Cebra could be considered the same.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on August 25, 2014, 07:51:21 PM
IM SO EXCITED!!!! Matts Landscape/Epic-Cacti Nursery is located right next door to me in Fallbrook... He has several top tier Dragon Fruit cutting that I'm looking at picking up this weekend.. These are my picks as of now based on color of flesh and flavor reviews.

Rosa
Sin Espina
Cebra
and a toss up between Mexican and Delight...both have the pretty pink n white flesh but Delight is much more higher on the Brix lvl.

UC DNA testing has shown that Lisa, Rosa and Cebra could be considered the same.


Oh crap..only  getting Cebra then
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on August 29, 2014, 01:01:20 AM
ricshaw, thanks for the inundation of refreshing DF information/news.

I agree, that informative List should include a column about which DF varieties are self-fertile and self-pollinating. Perhaps they don't include that information because the DF industry is relatively young and they just don't know. This is a very important characteristic to consider before purchasing a DF variety. I'm now wondering whether this is the reason why none of the flowers that have been produced for the first time ever, this year, by my 'David Bowie' DF, have not produced a fruit after the flowers bloom.

It's too bad, as you say, that the DF's that we like the most are most likely not 'self-fertile.' It would surely be a nice, sweet surprise if the DF variety 'Colombiana/Yellow-Dragon' were self-fertile and self-pollinating. That would be the green light to go out and immediatly purchase it by whatever means necessary. Then, we would just need to work on increasing the fruit size.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 29, 2014, 01:14:58 AM
(http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=21064&size=1) (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21064)

It is my opinion, the only future for the Colombian Yellow Dragon fruit is to use it as a pollinator to create better hybrids. Crossing the Yellow DF with the Red flesh DF could produce a winner.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on August 29, 2014, 04:23:15 AM
A yellow crossed with a red would be a Frankie's Red. Mine is fruiting for the first time this year. The fruit appears like it will be small like the Yellow Dragon. I will report back on how it tastes and also get a brix reading after I harvest the fruit.

It seems my Yellow Dragon is self fertile as it has set fruit before when my other varieties were not flowering but it may have been pollinated by other DF plants in the neighborhood.

Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 29, 2014, 11:41:23 AM
A yellow crossed with a red would be a Frankie's Red. Mine is fruiting for the first time this year. The fruit appears like it will be small like the Yellow Dragon. I will report back on how it tastes and also get a brix reading after I harvest the fruit.
It seems my Yellow Dragon is self fertile as it has set fruit before when my other varieties were not flowering but it may have been pollinated by other DF plants in the neighborhood.
Simon

The next step might be to cross Frankie's Red with something like Condor to improve size (which I am sure is being done).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 29, 2014, 02:52:59 PM
IM SO EXCITED!!!! Matts Landscape/Epic-Cacti Nursery is located right next door to me in Fallbrook... He has several top tier Dragon Fruit cutting that I'm looking at picking up this weekend.. These are my picks as of now based on color of flesh and flavor reviews.

Rosa
Sin Espina
Cebra
and a toss up between Mexican and Delight...both have the pretty pink n white flesh but Delight is much more higher on the Brix lvl.

UC DNA testing has shown that Lisa, Rosa and Cebra could be considered the same.


Oh crap..only  getting Cebra then
The couple of times I've had them the texture was like watermelon peel, especially the sin espina. Sounds like you like a little sweet but not too much of it. Lisa, Rosa, Cebra have a good amount of acid too, if I remember correctly. Do all the deep red varieties have a lot of acid or are the fruits in Irvine picked too early?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on August 29, 2014, 02:53:34 PM
With my picks Cebra, mexicana, delight, Sin Espana, and maybe condor cause here good things even though not on the top 10 tier list...will i have any issues with polinization?

Picking up Sat...also should i leave these cuttings potted?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 29, 2014, 03:05:22 PM
Condor definitely needs cross pollination. You can pollinate anything with mexicana I think. That's the white variety with the fast-extending pollen tube? White pollen travels faster than colored ones, so you might get away with pollinating a little later if you use that. There's a paper on it somewhere in the pitayafruit yahoo group.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 29, 2014, 03:39:20 PM
With my picks Cebra, mexicana, delight, Sin Espana, and maybe condor cause here good things even though not on the top 10 tier list...will i have any issues with polinization?

Probably yes at first.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 29, 2014, 03:46:42 PM
The couple of times I've had them the texture was like watermelon peel, especially the sin espina. Sounds like you like a little sweet but not too much of it. Lisa, Rosa, Cebra have a good amount of acid too, if I remember correctly. Do all the deep red varieties have a lot of acid or are the fruits in Irvine picked too early?

I have not experience the "texture like a watermelon peel", you must of got a bad piece of fruit.

I am not a taste expert, but I think you are right that the red flesh varieties have the acid taste, and in 2011, 2012, & 2014 I did not think the Pitahaya fruit at the festival was picked too early.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 29, 2014, 11:02:31 PM
Okay, I'll grow out my sin espina and see what it tastes like. I've been keeping it small in the shade every since I got it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 29, 2014, 11:15:29 PM
Okay, I'll grow out my sin espina and see what it tastes like. I've been keeping it small in the shade every since I got it.

One thing I learned at the last festival was growing Pitahaya in the shade is good for producing cuttings, you need to grow Pitahaya in the sun to get good fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on August 29, 2014, 11:30:15 PM
Okay, I'll grow out my sin espina and see what it tastes like. I've been keeping it small in the shade every since I got it.

One thing I learned at the last festival was growing Pitahaya in the shade is good for producing cuttings, you need to grow Pitahaya in the sun to get good fruit.
That's very true about sunlight and fruit. I wasn't looking for it but it was a small leftover piece from a plant sale or something and I only wanted it in my collection but not fruit, so I didn't want to let it get big. It's not only in enough shade to not fruit, it's in enough shade to not produce much cuttings. If anyone wants thin cuttings of it I can cut the parts that managed to escape the broken pint pot where the soil washed away some time ago.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mark in Texas on August 30, 2014, 10:44:31 AM
Sorry if it's been covered but I just plopped down $7 for a red from Vietnam.  How do you prepare these fruit?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: thao on August 30, 2014, 11:01:33 AM
Sorry if it's been covered but I just plopped down $7 for a red from Vietnam.  How do you prepare these fruit?
Best served chilled, then cut in half and scoop or slice into wedges like oranges with skin on.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mark in Texas on August 30, 2014, 02:34:02 PM
Thanks! 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 30, 2014, 02:53:31 PM
Sorry if it's been covered but I just plopped down $7 for a red from Vietnam.  How do you prepare these fruit?

Let us know what you think of the taste (plus pictures if possible).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on August 30, 2014, 08:16:55 PM
Stopped by Matts Landscapes/ Epic Cacti Nursery today....really swell guy... picked up a nice 5g Cebra, 5g Condor, 5g Delight, and a 2 foot cutting taken off his mother Orejona plant....


Mexicana is still out of stock...waiting on it.

Can anyone tell me how Condor stacks against the elite  tier Dragon Fruit? I heard good things mentioned here so I grabbed it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on August 31, 2014, 03:07:23 AM
A yellow crossed with a red would be a Frankie's Red. Mine is fruiting for the first time this year. The fruit appears like it will be small like the Yellow Dragon. I will report back on how it tastes and also get a brix reading after I harvest the fruit.

It seems my Yellow Dragon is self fertile as it has set fruit before when my other varieties were not flowering but it may have been pollinated by other DF plants in the neighborhood.

Simon

Very interesting, if your 'Frankie's Red' fruit appears to be small like its 'Yellow-Dragon' parent, perhaps it will also be "very very sweet."

I can deal with the small size of the 'Yellow-Dragon' DF, because the fruit is "very very sweet." Putting aside, for the moment, whether the 'Yellow-Dragon' DF is self fertile/pollinated or not, the only thing that I find nasty about it are the thorns.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JeffDM on August 31, 2014, 06:19:54 PM
Would it be possible to start a new dragon fruit thread?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on August 31, 2014, 06:27:59 PM
Would it be possible to start a new dragon fruit thread?


Jeff,

I already did:  2014 Pitahaya (Dragon Fruit) Festival
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11655.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11655.0)


Your turn.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on August 31, 2014, 06:55:20 PM
Stopped by Matts Landscapes/ Epic Cacti Nursery today....really swell guy... picked up a nice 5g Cebra, 5g Condor, 5g Delight, and a 2 foot cutting taken off his mother Orejona plant....


Mexicana is still out of stock...waiting on it.

Can anyone tell me how Condor stacks against the elite  tier Dragon Fruit? I heard good things mentioned here so I grabbed it.

Condor is an elite tier CV, one of the best.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on August 31, 2014, 11:26:49 PM
Are any of the Dragon fruit I purchased that really eye catchy purple/red? I know delight is pink/whiteish, cebre bloodred I think, Orejona not sure, Condor not sure...
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mark in Texas on September 01, 2014, 08:19:21 AM
Sorry if it's been covered but I just plopped down $7 for a red from Vietnam.  How do you prepare these fruit?


Let us know what you think of the taste (plus pictures if possible).


Taste was just OK,  which matches the rating at PIN for a typical Vietnamese DF.  http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/dragon/pages/V.%20Jaina-%20VW.htm (http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/dragon/pages/V.%20Jaina-%20VW.htm)

Gonna try to find some mail order since they're in season now.  Any recommendations for mail order fruit?
(http://s30.postimg.org/gm0zk1jvh/Pitaya_1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/gm0zk1jvh/)

(http://s30.postimg.org/bsltsxcrh/Pitaya_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/bsltsxcrh/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on September 01, 2014, 10:22:01 AM
Mark they're are in season right now in Socal...if you can find a seller who sales and ships the red flesh varieties....I think you will be blown away by the  flavor!!!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mark in Texas on September 01, 2014, 11:23:47 AM
Mark they're are in season right now in Socal...if you can find a seller who sales and ships the red flesh varieties....I think you will be blown away by the  flavor!!!


Yeah, not going to give up.  Just finished a bowl of chopped fruit with a lemon/honey dressing - pitaya, bananas and slices of my own tree ripened peaches that I'll put up against the best tropical fruit out there.   8) 

Here's a few I'm going to look at tomorrow:
http://www.tfgsf.com/?page_id=43 (http://www.tfgsf.com/?page_id=43)
http://www.buyexoticfruits.com/dragonfruits.html (http://www.buyexoticfruits.com/dragonfruits.html)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on September 01, 2014, 12:51:57 PM
Just planted my 3 of the dragon fruit along my vegetable wall..i thought these. Grow into a simple vine along a stake...but after seeing pictures of mature plants...seems 2 foot spacing is way too close...shoukd i dig them up now or wait?

(http://s15.postimg.org/56ky8uypj/20140901_094522.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/56ky8uypj/)

(http://s15.postimg.org/ocy5c1f7b/20140901_094542.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ocy5c1f7b/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on September 01, 2014, 01:59:36 PM
Just planted my 3 of the dragon fruit along my vegetable wall..i thought these. Grow into a simple vine along a stake...but after seeing pictures of mature plants...seems 2 foot spacing is way too close...shoukd i dig them up now or wait?

([url]http://s15.postimg.org/56ky8uypj/20140901_094522.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/56ky8uypj/[/url])

([url]http://s15.postimg.org/ocy5c1f7b/20140901_094542.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/ocy5c1f7b/[/url])


You could dig them out pretty much anytime. There's less chance of breakage when the vines are short. The roots are not brittle and will grow back quickly. It's not necessary to move a lot of soil with the plant either.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on September 02, 2014, 04:33:22 PM
Yeah, not going to give up.  Just finished a bowl of chopped fruit with a lemon/honey dressing - pitaya, bananas and slices of my own tree ripened peaches that I'll put up against the best tropical fruit out there.   8) 



Here is a picture of mixed fruit my wife made for her BUNCO group.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/fruit_1246_zpsecc9bf3c.jpg)

The Dragon Fruit is suppose to look like dice!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on September 02, 2014, 06:00:30 PM
For those (anybody) that is new to Dragon Fruit.

A good long video by Tropical Fruit Growers of South Florida interview of Roger Washington (Red Dragon Fruit Company).

http://youtu.be/JsVbFfS0Ons (http://youtu.be/JsVbFfS0Ons)

enjoy
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mucbean on September 08, 2014, 07:29:34 PM
I'm still having problems with my dragon fruit. They flower, then turn yellow and drop to the grown a few days later. They are all about 6 months old. Now I have these growing on them. What are they?
(http://s2.postimg.org/oyoh0ay3p/securedownload.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/oyoh0ay3p/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rannman on September 08, 2014, 09:47:44 PM
They are flowers.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on September 08, 2014, 10:15:49 PM
I ate some red dragonfruits here in Thailand but they taste the same as the white ones, not bad but also not impressive.

My own cactus gave some white fleshed ones but they are so small, on the markets they are much bigger. I guess they will weigh about 1 lbs or more, 500 grams or more.

Mine grow in pots half filled with soil but now i guess the more soil the better to get huge fruits. And full soil will be the best of all to get huge fruits (i guess).

So do they grow bigger if in full soil or bigger pots?

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Doglips on September 12, 2014, 07:03:11 AM
How many plants do you think I could put on a single pole and still get them to produce ok?
I initially had dreams of 4 varieties on 1 pole, but I am thinking that it would be too many.
1, 2, 3?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on September 12, 2014, 08:57:30 AM
On that same note...I'm a little confused? The 5 gal Dragon fruit I purchased looks like they have multiple plants in them or is this all growth at the bottom from one cutting?

Do I kill them all and let just one single vine grow to the top?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on September 12, 2014, 11:49:41 AM
On that same note...I'm a little confused? The 5 gal Dragon fruit I purchased looks like they have multiple plants in them or is this all growth at the bottom from one cutting?

Do I kill them all and let just one single vine grow to the top?

You can plant many of them against a pole. 4-5 is no problem.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: scashaggy on September 28, 2014, 07:42:07 PM
Just picked up my first DF cactus, it said it was the Halley's Comet variety.  I set a pole for it and will top it off with something in the future.

I am also looking for DF cuttings of different varieties in the South FL area.

Here is my setup as it currently stands.
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g208/scashaggy/20140928_154203.jpg)


I also planted some cuttings of the HC that were loose or broken due to transport.
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g208/scashaggy/20140928_154317.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on September 29, 2014, 05:38:45 AM
I also planted some cuttings of the HC that were loose or broken due to transport.
([url]http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g208/scashaggy/20140928_154317.jpg[/url])


Could be my bad eyes, but the one in the center appears to be planted upside down. The one on the left is a tip so easy to tell which end should be up, the center one looks backwards to the one on the left.

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: tanguy on September 29, 2014, 12:06:28 PM
I also planted some cuttings of the HC that were loose or broken due to transport.
([url]http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g208/scashaggy/20140928_154317.jpg[/url])


Could be my bad eyes, but the one in the center appears to be planted upside down. The one on the left is a tip so easy to tell which end should be up, the center one looks backwards to the one on the left.

DM

DM, you are correct! The cutting in the middle pot was planted upside down. I recognized it yesterday when I read this post with my cell phone. Today I was about to post a message to Scashaggy then saw your post.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: scashaggy on September 29, 2014, 06:57:01 PM
Thanks, corrected.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on October 05, 2014, 02:29:36 AM
Today I was surprised when a dear Mexican friend told me that she has a very delicious variety of Pitaya (Dragon Fruit). And, she is a very good 'Cook!' Immediatly, she had my attention, I mean, she's Mexican, a Cook, and I personally know her quite well. So, I'm hoping that her DF variety does taste as good as she says, which I have no reason to doubt. The way she described the taste was so good, that the next time I see her, I'm 'gonna' ask her to what other fruit is the taste quality similar to. She did ask me how many pieces I wanted, and not to be greedy, I said two. I can't wait to get the two pieces of her delicious variety, so that I can start the process of growing them, and ultimately compare the taste and overall quality to the only variety that I currently have ('David Bowie').

P.S.   My 'David Bowie' earlier this year produced the first 3 flowers ever. Then, they all dropped and no fruit followed. After this happened, I fertilized the plant. And, right now, it has 2 beautiful new flowers. I'm hoping to finally get fruit afterwards.

Update

The Mexican lady, friend of the family, surprised me and finally gave me two, long, cuttings of her sweet tasting, pitaya variety mentioned above. She does not know what is the name of the variety. But, the color of the flesh inside the fruit is white. And, get this, she told me and other of my family members, that the flavor is sweet and is comparable to 'Mamey' fruit!

Now, I know 'Mamey,' and 'Dragon Fruit' is no 'Mamey' (couldn't resist).

What can I say, no disrespect towards the lady, but I am somewhat skeptical.

Regardless whether I'm skeptical or not, she's got me. I now have to see this to the end and grow this DF variety to fruition, in order to evaluate/validate her DF sweetness claims.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 05, 2014, 12:49:50 PM
P.S.   My 'David Bowie' earlier this year produced the first 3 flowers ever. Then, they all dropped and no fruit followed. After this happened, I fertilized the plant. And, right now, it has 2 beautiful new flowers. I'm hoping to finally get fruit afterwards.

Quote
Update

Regardless whether I'm skeptical or not, she's got me. I now have to see this to the end and grow this DF variety to fruition, in order to evaluate/validate her DF sweetness claims.

Even if you don't like the taste of the new white flesh DF variety, it will provide pollen to pollinate your 'David Bowie'.  Unless they are genetically the same.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on October 05, 2014, 07:50:02 PM


Even if you don't like the taste of the new white flesh DF variety, it will provide pollen to pollinate your 'David Bowie'.  Unless they are genetically the same.

Yes, cross pollination sounds good. And, I hope to some day be able to compare the 'David Bowie' to this variety.

I can't help but be skeptical, just like those caught fish stories. If she's exaggerated the sweetness 'out of the ballpark' as they say, I at least expect it to taste noticeably/pleasingly sweet. So, I really hope that I'm in a win win situation, we'll see.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 05, 2014, 08:30:29 PM
I can't help but be skeptical, just like those caught fish stories. If she's exaggerated the sweetness 'out of the ballpark' as they say, I at least expect it to taste noticeably/pleasingly sweet. So, I really hope that I'm in a win win situation, we'll see.

Last Friday I was at a Dragon Fruit Field Day that included some Dragon Fruit tasting. I was sitting next to Tim Thompson and his daughter.  When Tim's daughter tasted the white flesh Dragon Fruit, she spit it out in her napkin. Tim and I did not think the white flesh DF tasted that bad.  I could have eaten a whole white flesh DF by itself!

Maybe it is like hot sauce...  some people like it, some don't.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on October 05, 2014, 10:24:01 PM
Guys my Dragon Fruit plants has multiple  individual plants running up my wooden poles....However these individual plants running up the [ole now have 1,2, and even 3 new extensions branching out form those....

Do I need to cut these extensions and leave only 1 runner to extend up the pole for each plant?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 05, 2014, 10:33:22 PM
Guys my Dragon Fruit plants has multiple  individual plants running up my wooden poles....However these individual plants running up the [ole now have 1,2, and even 3 new extensions branching out form those....

Do I need to cut these extensions and leave only 1 runner to extend up the pole for each plant?

I was asked this last Saturday.  Cutting off the lower branches helps with training the plant to grow up the pole.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on October 05, 2014, 10:53:47 PM
Guys my Dragon Fruit plants has multiple  individual plants running up my wooden poles....However these individual plants running up the [ole now have 1,2, and even 3 new extensions branching out form those....

Do I need to cut these extensions and leave only 1 runner to extend up the pole for each plant?

I was asked this last Saturday.  Cutting off the lower branches helps with training the plant to grow up the pole.


Would having multiple branches from each plant going up the pole reduce the quality of fruit?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 05, 2014, 11:05:53 PM
Guys my Dragon Fruit plants has multiple  individual plants running up my wooden poles....However these individual plants running up the [ole now have 1,2, and even 3 new extensions branching out form those....

Do I need to cut these extensions and leave only 1 runner to extend up the pole for each plant?

I was asked this last Saturday.  Cutting off the lower branches helps with training the plant to grow up the pole.


Would having multiple branches from each plant going up the pole reduce the quality of fruit?

No.

I was talking about lower branches not going up the pole.

Of course having fruit on a branch close to the ground can have negative effects (not taste) like making it easier for pests to eat the fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MayBee on October 15, 2014, 06:18:39 PM
Hello Everyone,

It's nice to see pictures of everyone's Dragon Fruits.

I would like to share a picture of my setup.  I hope you enjoy the pictures.

Surprisingly, I had about 5 flowers within 6 months of planting, but only 3 of them going to survive in a fruit form.

Here is a picture when I started planting them from stem cutting on 04/07/2014:

(http://s8.postimg.org/jagjjsi9d/20140407_103329.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jagjjsi9d/)

Here is a picture of it 2 months later on 06/13/2014:

(http://s8.postimg.org/6s94up01d/20140613_152230.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6s94up01d/)

Here is a picture of adding the post on 07/13/2014:

(http://s1.postimg.org/5rhcmlktn/20140713_182151.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5rhcmlktn/)

Here is a picture of the posts standing up on 07/16/2014:

(http://s1.postimg.org/c6gdj9rjf/20140716_123208.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/c6gdj9rjf/)

Here is a picture of 90% of it being completed on 07/20/2014:

(http://s1.postimg.org/uaje3wp7v/20140720_075647.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/uaje3wp7v/) (http://s1.postimg.org/5ijrwo817/20140720_080128.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5ijrwo817/)


And here is a picture of it today with the second layer on top for the shade 6 months later on 10/15/2014:

(http://s29.postimg.org/5kgye1hbn/20141015_101934.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5kgye1hbn/)



Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: shaneatwell on October 15, 2014, 10:03:52 PM
That's a fantastic looking setup!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MayBee on October 15, 2014, 10:14:20 PM
Thanks for the kind words.  I wanted to give a decent look with making it practical.  Everything was on the fly as I didn't have any idea from the beginning. hehe.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on October 16, 2014, 02:44:44 AM
Thanks for the kind words.  I wanted to give a decent look with making it practical.  Everything was on the fly as I didn't have any idea from the beginning. hehe.

That was on the fly! Can you come to my house, your handy work is amazing. You should be getting lots of fruit in 1-2 years. What varieties did you plant?
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 16, 2014, 08:36:49 AM
Incredible, very classy!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on October 16, 2014, 10:07:19 AM
I have to copy that.  Wow, great job!!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MayBee on October 16, 2014, 12:33:57 PM
Thanks for the kind words.  I wanted to give a decent look with making it practical.  Everything was on the fly as I didn't have any idea from the beginning. hehe.


That was on the fly! Can you come to my house, your handy work is amazing. You should be getting lots of fruit in 1-2 years. What varieties did you plant?
Simon


Hahaha.  Thanks for the compliment.  The brand new miter saw was collecting dust so I decided to put it to use.  At first, I knew I had to create a box around it so that the top stem could hang downward.  And then I started to add additional pieces to help support it and make it a "pergola" like.  It took me about 2 weeks to complete the project since I had to it all by myself. 

I don't know what type of dragon fruit I have because I'm not familiar with the names.  But, I do notice I have about 3 different kinds.  All my cuttings came from my mom in Southern CA.

Here is a picture of my first dragon fruit from 3 years ago on the opposite side of the house.  I put a 30% shade cloth on top to prevent it from yellowing the stems.  It helps a lot...  We were getting 85 - 95 degree temperature last month.  I had the cloth on the new setup as well.  The new stems couldn't handle the direct sun over 85 degrees. 

(http://s17.postimg.org/bg8mzuw9n/20141015_155921.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/bg8mzuw9n/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MayBee on October 16, 2014, 12:35:27 PM
Incredible, very classy!

I have to copy that.  Wow, great job!!

Thanks for the compliments.  Let me know if you need to know what items I used or steps I did...  I added concrete to all the leg posts to prevent the water from rotting it overtime.  Also, I applied bee wax around the redwood.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on October 16, 2014, 01:39:19 PM
yes, please send the directions, either pm, email, or post
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on October 16, 2014, 03:23:59 PM
Thanks for the kind words.  I wanted to give a decent look with making it practical.  Everything was on the fly as I didn't have any idea from the beginning. hehe.


That was on the fly! Can you come to my house, your handy work is amazing. You should be getting lots of fruit in 1-2 years. What varieties did you plant?
Simon


Hahaha.  Thanks for the compliment.  The brand new miter saw was collecting dust so I decided to put it to use.  At first, I knew I had to create a box around it so that the top stem could hang downward.  And then I started to add additional pieces to help support it and make it a "pergola" like.  It took me about 2 weeks to complete the project since I had to it all by myself. 

I don't know what type of dragon fruit I have because I'm not familiar with the names.  But, I do notice I have about 3 different kinds.  All my cuttings came from my mom in Southern CA.

Here is a picture of my first dragon fruit from 3 years ago on the opposite side of the house.  I put a 30% shade cloth on top to prevent it from yellowing the stems.  It helps a lot...  We were getting 85 - 95 degree temperature last month.  I had the cloth on the new setup as well.  The new stems couldn't handle the direct sun over 85 degrees. 

([url]http://s17.postimg.org/bg8mzuw9n/20141015_155921.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/bg8mzuw9n/[/url])



How bad is this yellowing issue? we get up to 105 here in temecula... and the last heat wave turned quite a bit of the dragon fruit i recently planted yellow... is it still ok?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 16, 2014, 03:28:14 PM
How bad is this yellowing issue? we get up to 105 here in temecula... and the last heat wave turned quite a bit of the dragon fruit i recently planted yellow... is it still ok?

I picked fruit today on a Dragon Fruit plant with heavy "yellowing issue".
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on October 16, 2014, 03:32:16 PM
How bad is this yellowing issue? we get up to 105 here in temecula... and the last heat wave turned quite a bit of the dragon fruit i recently planted yellow... is it still ok?

I picked fruit today on a Dragon Fruit plant with heavy "yellowing issue".


OK,

Because the area they're are planted in receives full sun...It looks like everything is growing fine...but the yellowing did scare me.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MayBee on October 16, 2014, 05:51:38 PM
Thanks for the kind words.  I wanted to give a decent look with making it practical.  Everything was on the fly as I didn't have any idea from the beginning. hehe.


That was on the fly! Can you come to my house, your handy work is amazing. You should be getting lots of fruit in 1-2 years. What varieties did you plant?
Simon


Hahaha.  Thanks for the compliment.  The brand new miter saw was collecting dust so I decided to put it to use.  At first, I knew I had to create a box around it so that the top stem could hang downward.  And then I started to add additional pieces to help support it and make it a "pergola" like.  It took me about 2 weeks to complete the project since I had to it all by myself. 

I don't know what type of dragon fruit I have because I'm not familiar with the names.  But, I do notice I have about 3 different kinds.  All my cuttings came from my mom in Southern CA.

Here is a picture of my first dragon fruit from 3 years ago on the opposite side of the house.  I put a 30% shade cloth on top to prevent it from yellowing the stems.  It helps a lot...  We were getting 85 - 95 degree temperature last month.  I had the cloth on the new setup as well.  The new stems couldn't handle the direct sun over 85 degrees. 

([url]http://s17.postimg.org/bg8mzuw9n/20141015_155921.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/bg8mzuw9n/[/url])



How bad is this yellowing issue? we get up to 105 here in temecula... and the last heat wave turned quite a bit of the dragon fruit i recently planted yellow... is it still ok?


I put the shade on as soon as I see yellowing on the stem.  Afterward, I added 1 teaspoon of epsom salt with 1 gallon of water.  I did noticed it turning back to green. 

I have relatives in Temucula.  I know it gets 95-100 degree constantly.  They put those big dead leaves from their palm tree on top of the dragon fruit stems to give it shade.  If I were you, then I would shade the recent planted ones from the sun.  It's still young and growing.  Personally me, I just don't like it being yellow in color.  I don't think it will bear any "new" fruit with the yellow stems in the future.  I'm not sure since I tend to throw away the yellow ones.  I have seen fruit in a yellow stem, but the fruit came out before the yellowing.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MayBee on October 16, 2014, 06:13:16 PM
yes, please send the directions, either pm, email, or post

I'll try my best to explain it here...  I'm sure you can find better ways of building it...

1.  buy 10 inch pvc pipe, redwood 4x2 size, screws, concrete post mix (fast drying product...like 5 minutes)
2.  cut the 10 inch pvc pipe about 1 ft long.
3.  dig the holes about 1 ft deep
4.  put the pvc pipe in the hole and level the pvc pipe
5.  cover the surrounding with the dirt and pound it down so it doesn't move.
6.  add 1 inch of concrete mix inside the pipe and then add water....and stir it up for 1 minute. 
7.  add the redwood post in the center of the pvc pipe.
8.  add more concrete and water and mix again.  repeat the process.
9.  make sure to level the post with every mix so it doesn't move.
10.  repeat the process above for all the posts.
11.  after all posts are aligned, measure about 5 ft from bottom to top.  mark the measurement on every post.
12.  user the miter saw to cut the square beam for support for each post.  Screw all 4 corners around the post together.  This allow me to put a wood on top of the square by myself.  In some areas, a clamp comes in handy.
13.  now, start measuring and cutting all the woods on top with screws. 
14.  I was picky so I was leveling everything I did to make sure it was straight
15.  at the end, I bought some bee wax from homedepot and applied it to the wood. 
16.  The purpose of the top layer wood is to add a clear poly sheet on top during the winter to help it from the frost.  (very important in my area to protect it from winter frost or else it's dead).

I think that's pretty much it.  The rest is all about cosmetics...depending on how you want it to look.

I hope that gives you an idea to start on your trellis :)

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: lajolla on October 16, 2014, 06:31:57 PM
is it possible to shade the dragon fruit and still get fruit? as in grown under a shade tree with partial sun during the day?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MayBee on October 16, 2014, 06:57:01 PM
is it possible to shade the dragon fruit and still get fruit? as in grown under a shade tree with partial sun during the day?

It's possible, but the fruit is small.  It needs sun.   I have a friend who put them under a shack with very little sun and the stems are thin and the fruits are like 2 inches long.  I think people who live in area with 90+ degree everyday and the dragon fruit gets 8+ hours of direct sun, then expect the stem to turn yellow.   Use the 30% shade depending on your sun condition.  I take mine off when the temperature is 85 and below.   With temperature in the 90-100+, the 30% reduce the direct sunlight a lot.  The plant still get plenty of sun with the 30% shade.

Search on ebay for "30% shade cloth".

I have attended the dragon fruit festival last year in Irvine.  They have no shade at all...only a net on top to prevent the bird from coming in.  They get full sun in the wide open field.  I didn't see too many healthy green stems from their fields.  Most of them were pretty beat up with yellowing and browning, tons of ants, but they did have plenty of fruits.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 16, 2014, 10:48:01 PM
is it possible to shade the dragon fruit and still get fruit? as in grown under a shade tree with partial sun during the day?

At BOTH the last 2014 Pitahaya/Dragon Fruit Festival and the MVP Farms Pitahaya/Dragon Fruit Field Day we were told to grow Dragon Fruit in sun for fruit and in the shade if you want to sell cuttings. So yes, it is possible to grow DF in the shade and get some fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 16, 2014, 11:10:18 PM
Armando and La Verne nursery H. polyrhizus taste test.

Today my wife and I did a taste comparison of two Dragon Fruit I picked today.

I chilled both fruit in the refrigerator.

The larger and best looking fruit came from a 'no name' variety grown by La Verne nursery.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/lowes_1_zps98f7a3f3.jpg)

This is the fruit a couple of days ago (note the yellow stem).

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/lowes_4726_zpsa5943308.jpg)

The other fruit came from my Armando DF. 

Both need a pollinator. I know, the La Verne label above says does not need a pollinator. I used pollen from a Delight flower.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/armando_4728_zps6b0ac1dd.jpg)

The larger La Verne fruit on the Left weighed almost 1 1/2 pounds (23 oz.)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/armando_4730_zps0be756fe.jpg)

Both tasted very good.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/armando_4733_zps86b97352.jpg)

The La Verne tasted sweet (I have ordered a BRIX meter  :(), the Armando was sweet with a more tart taste.

I liked the taste of the La Verne best, my wife like the taste of Armando best.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: xshen on October 17, 2014, 12:42:34 AM
Richsaw, is this the same H. polyrhizus you sent me a few months back along with armando?  Both are doing great and I gave some cuttings away a few months ago.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 17, 2014, 12:51:59 AM
Richsaw, is this the same H. polyrhizus you sent me a few months back along with armando?  Both are doing great and I gave some cuttings away a few months ago.

Yes.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 17, 2014, 01:56:29 AM

The larger and best looking fruit came from a 'no name' variety grown by La Verne nursery.



For those who do not live on the West Coast, this is what the Dragon Fruit plant looked like when I bought it from Lowe's.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/lowes_6.jpg)

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 18, 2014, 01:30:52 PM
My friend Mark recently posted this YouTube video;

Orejona Dragon Fruit

http://youtu.be/ciVy-H0ezw0?list=UUreuhT3_chnyig1iToB0grg (http://youtu.be/ciVy-H0ezw0?list=UUreuhT3_chnyig1iToB0grg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 20, 2014, 01:31:32 PM
Mark has posted another video.

Let's Talk Dragon Fruit with Edgar Valdivia.

http://youtu.be/WPIVbQJvQiw (http://youtu.be/WPIVbQJvQiw)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on October 20, 2014, 01:39:11 PM
Hello Everyone,

It's nice to see pictures of everyone's Dragon Fruits.

I would like to share a picture of my setup.  I hope you enjoy the pictures.

Surprisingly, I had about 5 flowers within 6 months of planting, but only 3 of them going to survive in a fruit form.

Here is a picture when I started planting them from stem cutting on 04/07/2014:

([url]http://s8.postimg.org/jagjjsi9d/20140407_103329.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/jagjjsi9d/[/url])

Here is a picture of it 2 months later on 06/13/2014:

([url]http://s8.postimg.org/6s94up01d/20140613_152230.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/6s94up01d/[/url])

Here is a picture of adding the post on 07/13/2014:

([url]http://s1.postimg.org/5rhcmlktn/20140713_182151.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/5rhcmlktn/[/url])

Here is a picture of the posts standing up on 07/16/2014:

([url]http://s1.postimg.org/c6gdj9rjf/20140716_123208.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/c6gdj9rjf/[/url])

Here is a picture of 90% of it being completed on 07/20/2014:

([url]http://s1.postimg.org/uaje3wp7v/20140720_075647.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/uaje3wp7v/[/url]) ([url]http://s1.postimg.org/5ijrwo817/20140720_080128.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/5ijrwo817/[/url])


And here is a picture of it today with the second layer on top for the shade 6 months later on 10/15/2014:

([url]http://s29.postimg.org/5kgye1hbn/20141015_101934.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/5kgye1hbn/[/url])


I just noticed that the DF are in black trash barrels.  I plan on doing something similar, and filling in the bottom section with fruiting shrubs. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MayBee on October 20, 2014, 01:58:15 PM
ricshaw,

Nice info video.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: MayBee on October 20, 2014, 02:14:17 PM


I just noticed that the DF are in black trash barrels.  I plan on doing something similar, and filling in the bottom section with fruiting shrubs.

Yes, I used the 20 gal barrel from Home Depot. It was made from recyclable material that is food safe.  Google on recycle numbers for plastic.  There are certain recycle numbers that you should avoid using.  With any planting pots, you should look at the recycle number before using them. 

Several reasons why I went with the 20 gal barrel because it's long enough to hold the 4 inch pipe in the center and to deter gofer from eating the root.  I have gofer problem because I can see the gofer pushing my soil up in the section where I planted them on the ground.  Also, I have mostly rocks behind the retaining wall.  Make sure you dig holes underneath in the barrel if you plan to use the barrel.

I wouldn't recommend leaving the barrel in a wide open area.  Why?  It gets HOT during the summer, especially black absorbs heat so much.  It can damage the root system :)  I have a relative who use a barrel in a wide open area, exposing it to the sun.  The barrel started cracking, creating holes already.  I think the UV from the sun has damage the barrel. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: TheWaterbug on October 20, 2014, 03:00:00 PM

The larger and best looking fruit came from a 'no name' variety grown by La Verne nursery.



For those who do not live on the West Coast, this is what the Dragon Fruit plant looked like when I bought it from Lowe's.

([url]http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/lowes_6.jpg[/url])


Looks a lot like the one I bought from Lowe's yesterday! But yours appears to have three plants in the pot, whereas mine has only two.

Mine has the identical La Verne pot wrap that yours does.

The hanging tag on my plant does _not_ say "does not need a pollinator," but I'm presuming that if it's sold as "grow your own, enjoy your harvest" that it would either be self pollinating _or_ contain a warning of some sort. The sticker on my hanging tag does say "Dragon Fruit Pink #2 $14.98" like yours, except $5 bucks cheaper :D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 20, 2014, 03:19:59 PM
Looks a lot like the one I bought from Lowe's yesterday! But yours appears to have three plants in the pot, whereas mine has only two.

Mine has the identical La Verne pot wrap that yours does.

The hanging tag on my plant does _not_ say "does not need a pollinator," but I'm presuming that if it's sold as "grow your own, enjoy your harvest" that it would either be self pollinating _or_ contain a warning of some sort. The sticker on my hanging tag does say "Dragon Fruit Pink #2 $14.98" like yours, except $5 bucks cheaper :D


Look something like one of these?

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/lowes_zpsdb4f37f3.jpg)

When we visited La Verne nursery they told us that it depends on the vendor on price, pot wrap, tag, etc. The plant vendor has to pay extra for the pot wrap.

I bought all the above from Lowe's. Prices varied from small size $5.00 - $20.00.

Basically La Verne has three Dragon Fruit plants that they get cuttings from; a white, pink, and red variety.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/CRFG/La%20Verne/df_4244_zps5f50408e.jpg)

They may now have a Yellow Dragon Fruit variety.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on October 21, 2014, 12:51:52 AM
I just wanted to update that the late crop of DF seem to be a bit sweeter than the early crop. The crop I'm currently harvesting is approximately 1-2% Brix higher than the same fruit harvested earlier in the year. My Halleys Comet is now averaging about 19% Brix and my American Beauty is getting as high as 20 % Brix. My Simons Purple is now on its third crop now, very few fruit, only 4 fruit left hanging and this variety has stayedthe same in terms of sweetness with Brix topping off at 21%.
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Maickel on October 23, 2014, 08:52:04 AM
I heard that the yellow dragon fruit has the beste taste of all them, is that true?
thank you
Mike
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 23, 2014, 12:59:25 PM
I heard that the yellow dragon fruit has the beste taste of all them, is that true?
thank you
Mike

Taste is subjective.  The Yellow DF is one of the sweetest tasting and does win a lot of taste challenges.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Maickel on October 25, 2014, 07:12:30 AM
Ok, that sounds good, i bought some plants and took cuttings from them.
Now my cuestion is:
Is it better to plant the cuttings flat so theres more superficie touching the earth and rooting quicker, or plant it the normal way , sticking one peace in the earth.?

Also i like to know if somebody see dragon fruit growing against a wall, i have several stonewals and want to use them/the space, but what is better, to plant it at the bottom/feet of the wall and let it growing up, against the wall, or planting it on the top of the wall and let it growing down?

The yellow one polynise itself, but can i put red dragon fruit, like  h undatus plant near and will they polynise each other, or are they 2 different families.

thank you

Mike
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 25, 2014, 08:29:56 AM
Ok, that sounds good, i bought some plants and took cuttings from them.
Now my cuestion is:
Is it better to plant the cuttings flat so theres more superficie touching the earth and rooting quicker, or plant it the normal way , sticking one peace in the earth.?

Also i like to know if somebody see dragon fruit growing against a wall, i have several stonewals and want to use them/the space, but what is better, to plant it at the bottom/feet of the wall and let it growing up, against the wall, or planting it on the top of the wall and let it growing down?

The yellow one polynise itself, but can i put red dragon fruit, like  h undatus plant near and will they polynise each other, or are they 2 different families.

thank you

Mike

Mike,  I have just started with the Yellow Dragon Fruit variety.
My advice is to plant the cutting the normal way, I do not know anybody who plants DF cuttings flat.  You might want to start the cutting in a pot.
I think planting the DF plant at the bottom of the wall would be better and planting another DF near by is a good idea.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rannman on October 26, 2014, 08:16:46 AM
Hi. I just thought I'd share a photo of an Australian grown variety called Jade Red. Quite easy to look at.
(http://s30.postimg.org/avpz9so59/KINDLE_CAMERA_1412097404000.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/avpz9so59/)

(http://s27.postimg.org/4ntve872n/KINDLE_CAMERA_1412110084000.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4ntve872n/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Maickel on October 26, 2014, 03:02:59 PM
Ok, that sounds good, i bought some plants and took cuttings from them.
Now my cuestion is:
Is it better to plant the cuttings flat so theres more superficie touching the earth and rooting quicker, or plant it the normal way , sticking one peace in the earth.?

Also i like to know if somebody see dragon fruit growing against a wall, i have several stonewals and want to use them/the space, but what is better, to plant it at the bottom/feet of the wall and let it growing up, against the wall, or planting it on the top of the wall and let it growing down?

The yellow one polynise itself, but can i put red dragon fruit, like  h undatus plant near and will they polynise each other, or are they 2 different families.

thank you

Mike

Mike,  I have just started with the Yellow Dragon Fruit variety.
My advice is to plant the cutting the normal way, I do not know anybody who plants DF cuttings flat.  You might want to start the cutting in a pot.
I think planting the DF plant at the bottom of the wall would be better and planting another DF near by is a good idea.

Thank you Ric, i planted them the normal way in pots, later i wil plant them in the ground.
Mike
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 26, 2014, 03:07:09 PM
Flat dragon fruit cutting rooting may be a good idea in slower draining more wet humid environments to prevent rot. If your not rooting in a container with fast draining soil mix, then it may be a good option.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on October 26, 2014, 04:18:54 PM
Flat dragon fruit cutting rooting may be a good idea in slower draining more wet humid environments to prevent rot. If your not rooting in a container with fast draining soil mix, then it may be a good option.

Does that mean flat on the ground surface or buried flat?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Maickel on October 26, 2014, 05:01:54 PM
with the next cuttings y plant them flat, to see the difference.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on October 26, 2014, 06:24:00 PM
Flat dragon fruit cutting rooting may be a good idea in slower draining more wet humid environments to prevent rot. If your not rooting in a container with fast draining soil mix, then it may be a good option.

Does that mean flat on the ground surface or buried flat?

Flat on the ground with a little soil around the edges.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rannman on November 02, 2014, 09:44:31 PM
Just out of curiosity, does anyone have an opinion on whether an Epiphyllum/Hylocereus cross fruit would have a longer ripening time compared to a Hylocereus fruit?? 
(http://s9.postimg.org/qi24p3wzv/KINDLE_CAMERA_1414765178000.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qi24p3wzv/)
(http://s17.postimg.org/yos8i4ie3/KINDLE_CAMERA_1412110077000.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/yos8i4ie3/)
This plant was grown from Asunta seed.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: emegar on November 04, 2014, 04:09:08 PM
Here is an update of my Frankie's Red fruit. They seem to be growing larger than what I expected. Frankie's Red appears like it will fill the void between the regular DF and the Yellow megalanthus. Anyone have pictures showing the final size or perhaps the inside of a Frankie's Red? Any additional information on Frankie's Red is greatly appreciated.

Simon
([url]http://s3.postimg.org/ch4z4oda7/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/ch4z4oda7/[/url])

([url]http://s3.postimg.org/rbtkiumv3/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/rbtkiumv3/[/url])


Simon,

Any update on your Frankie's Red fruit?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on November 04, 2014, 04:47:15 PM
Hey emegar, I just updated on the thread Frankies Red. I just harvested a large fruit but I may have over watered because the Brix was only 16%. I still have more on the vine and some are still green so I will have a long DragonFruit season.

Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: emegar on November 05, 2014, 11:33:25 AM
There was some work published that said if the pollen is dried first it can keep in the refrigerator for a fairly long time, even longer if it is frozen.  I'll look up the reference at work tomorrow.

Richard

That would be some quite valuable datas....

The paper is Metz et al., Hortscience 35(2):199-201, 2000

Their results are that after drying the pollen under vacuum for 1 -2 hours. pollen stored in a freezer still gives 100% fruit set and normal sized fruit after 9 months of storage in a freezer.  Fruit set with dried pollen stored in a refrigerator was 60-70% with smaller fruits, but they still got fruit.

I am trying this myself, using dried stored pollen, and can let you know how it works  in a couple of months (just attempted the pollination on Tuesday)
Richard


Richard,

I don't recall seeing you update with the results of your stored pollen experiment.  Can you fill us in on how well the dessicated pollen worked?

James
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: adalmoro on November 05, 2014, 04:47:39 PM
Frankies Red?!
I have some photos on this link:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/adalmoro/sets/72157629983253795/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/adalmoro/sets/72157629983253795/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: TheWaterbug on November 05, 2014, 05:32:59 PM
Look something like one of these?
<picture><picture><picture>

Grrr. I wish I'd kept the tag. I'm pretty sure it was the middle (pink) one.

I'm intrigued by your last photo, too. Did you wrap the horizontal growth up around your support post? The plant I bought I growing outward, and it's only about 2' tall. I'd read that I should prune off some/all of the horizontal growth to promote verticality, but if I can just train it upward, would that accomplish the same thing and preserve a bunch of viable plant material?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Luisport on November 05, 2014, 05:53:23 PM
Frankies Red?!
I have some photos on this link:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/adalmoro/sets/72157629983253795/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/adalmoro/sets/72157629983253795/)
Congratulations my friend!  ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on November 05, 2014, 05:54:27 PM
I'm intrigued by your last photo, too. Did you wrap the horizontal growth up around your support post? The plant I bought I growing outward, and it's only about 2' tall. I'd read that I should prune off some/all of the horizontal growth to promote verticality, but if I can just train it upward, would that accomplish the same thing and preserve a bunch of viable plant material?


The second photo (below) I took at La Verne Nursery and is one of the parent DF plants they get their cuttings from.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/CRFG/La%20Verne/df_4244_zps5f50408e.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: savemejebus on November 07, 2014, 01:02:46 PM
I just don't get it. We bought one purple/pink Dragon fruit from somewhere that was delicious and sweet. This was about a year ago. Since then I have bought Dragon fruit from various sources (stores and local nurseries where I know the variety) and it's like eating a sad, flavorless kiwi. I don't know if my taste buds changed, if I'm not eating them at proper ripeness, or what.

Kinda glad at this point that the lawn men butchered my two plants.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on November 07, 2014, 01:19:23 PM
I have a natural mystic ripening on the counter.  Hopefully that will solve your/our problem.  I love the way they look, but need to taste some elite types.  Hoping NM is the first of many good-tasting DFs
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rtreid on November 07, 2014, 03:46:44 PM
There was some work published that said if the pollen is dried first it can keep in the refrigerator for a fairly long time, even longer if it is frozen.  I'll look up the reference at work tomorrow.

Richard

That would be some quite valuable datas....

The paper is Metz et al., Hortscience 35(2):199-201, 2000

Their results are that after drying the pollen under vacuum for 1 -2 hours. pollen stored in a freezer still gives 100% fruit set and normal sized fruit after 9 months of storage in a freezer.  Fruit set with dried pollen stored in a refrigerator was 60-70% with smaller fruits, but they still got fruit.

I am trying this myself, using dried stored pollen, and can let you know how it works  in a couple of months (just attempted the pollination on Tuesday)
Richard


Richard,

I don't recall seeing you update with the results of your stored pollen experiment.  Can you fill us in on how well the dessicated pollen worked?

James

James,

Thanks for the reminder. In a nutshell, the dehydrated and frozen pollen from Arizona Purple (AKA 8-S)  was able to successfully pollenate Zamorano  and Cebra.   I was able to use Zamorano pollen to pollenate Houghton, Purple Haze and Arizona Purple.  Interestingly, when I tried to use dehydrated and frozen pollen from Cereus peruvianus, no dragon fruit were pollenated while using the same pollen fresh, I had about 80% success.

I am going to check some of my frozen pollen to see if they are still viable.

Richard
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: savemejebus on November 07, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
I have a natural mystic ripening on the counter.  Hopefully that will solve your/our problem.  I love the way they look, but need to taste some elite types.  Hoping NM is the first of many good-tasting DFs

I assume you got it from the same place I did last Sunday. I ate one right away and waited on the other until yesterday. Both were totally bland.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on November 07, 2014, 05:18:03 PM
Maybe you guys should try some of the top 10 Dragon Fruits from CA's tier list... Cebra ranked number 1 with a brix of about 19 I think.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Dangermouse01 on November 09, 2014, 08:07:13 AM
Harvested the last 2 Dark Star of the season this morning.
23 and 20.5 ounces.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/DS_11-09-2014_zps506509ba.jpg)

DM
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cmichael258 on November 09, 2014, 08:54:57 AM
Harvested the last 2 Dark Star of the season this morning.
23 and 20.5 ounces.
([url]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Dragon%20Fruit/DS_11-09-2014_zps506509ba.jpg[/url])

DM


Wow! Taste report?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on November 10, 2014, 09:51:54 AM
I have a natural mystic ripening on the counter.  Hopefully that will solve your/our problem.  I love the way they look, but need to taste some elite types.  Hoping NM is the first of many good-tasting DFs

I assume you got it from the same place I did last Sunday. I ate one right away and waited on the other until yesterday. Both were totally bland.

I agree.  The color was magnificent, the texture was great, but the flavor just wasn't there.  I will still keep this variety because of teh name (lol) and because of the antioxidants, but it definitely isn't flavorful.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bradflorida on November 20, 2014, 08:03:40 AM
Hi Richard

In my collection of cuttings of darker red fleshed varieties, I will now have zamorano, cebra/lisa and natural mystic.   I have read that the zamorano vine is a very.vigorous grower.

Can anyone compare the flavor,  vigor of vine growth, and productivity of these varieties?   

I have read that cebra/lisa/rosa  does well in taste tests.  Wondering if natural mystic and Zamorano are of the same caliber. 

Thanks
Brad
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on November 20, 2014, 09:30:52 AM
I had 2 natural mystics a few wks back.  They were beautiful inside and out, and absolutely tasteless.  The least flavorful DF I have ever eaten.  Having said that, it was only one sampling.  I will probably still grow it just for the color/antioxidants and just add it to smoothies, but I would imagine the others taste better.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: HMHausman on November 22, 2014, 09:33:39 PM
I had my first Natural Mystic dragon fruit a month or two ago.  The good news, one bloom, one fruit.....no hand pollination.  The fruit was quite good size and beautifully colored.  The flavor was a bit disappointing.  Mine had some sweetness, but not as much as some of the other non-white fruits that I have had.  There was still more flavor/sweetness than in the white fleshed varieties like Vietnamese Jaina.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cbss_daviefl on November 23, 2014, 12:12:40 PM
The natural mystics that taste the best are the ones that start to split at the end.  Still not my favorite at this point but good to very good.  Hard to beat the productivity. Got 6 fruit still hanging on a relatively small vine.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bradflorida on November 23, 2014, 08:00:39 PM
Which other varieties are the most productive in florida?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on November 24, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
The natural mystics that taste the best are the ones that start to split at the end.  Still not my favorite at this point but good to very good.  Hard to beat the productivity. Got 6 fruit still hanging on a relatively small vine.

You know it's coming:  What are your favorites thus far, Brandon?

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bradflorida on November 29, 2014, 10:35:24 PM
Can anyone tell me if there is a difference between "vietnamese white" and "giant vietnamese" varieties? 

Mattslandscape.com lists them as separate varieties. 

I am wondering which variety would be best for cross pollination and production of the greatest amount of pollen. 

Brad
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on November 29, 2014, 10:48:59 PM
Can anyone tell me if there is a difference between "vietnamese white" and "giant vietnamese" varieties? 
Mattslandscape.com lists them as separate varieties. 
I am wondering which variety would be best for cross pollination and production of the greatest amount of pollen. 
Brad

They are different 'named' varieties.
Without DNA testing, we do not know if they are different, or the same.
Vietnamese Giant is considered good for cross pollination.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on November 29, 2014, 11:20:16 PM
Vietnamese Giant is considered good for cross pollination.


After reading mattslandscape.com Full Description, Vietnamese White sounds like a very good pollinator.
http://mattslandscape.com/detail/?plant_name=Vietnamese%20White (http://mattslandscape.com/detail/?plant_name=Vietnamese%20White)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bradflorida on November 29, 2014, 11:27:50 PM
Thanks for checking into that Richard.   

Then I will plant one vietnamese giant and one vietnam white. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on December 05, 2014, 01:04:58 AM
The sweetest, best tasting Dragon Fruit has possibly been found.

A recent posting by TT:

"4953 Selenicereus megalanthus var. Sunshine - Golden Pitaya, Dragon Fruit
Super sweet variety of Yellow Pitaya that we brought from Ecuador in 2013. This cactus originates from Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru and Columbia. It's greatly known for it's sweet tasting fruit. Knobbed, yellow cactus fruit sharing some similarities with the Hylocereus dragon fruit (pitaya). Taste is said to be superior to most cactus fruits. The fruits are smaller than the common dragon fruit, and contain prominent spikes until ripening time, upon which the spikes drop off.
See picture of the bushy plants for sale"

As mentioned above and from the posted picture of the fruit and plant on their website, the plant is yellow on the outside and white on the inside. The fruit size is on the smallish side. There is no mention of the productivity.

The plant has plenty of somewhat small-mid sized thorns on it (and on the fruit), which make handling it tedious. This begs the question: For this type of thorny DF, is using a wood pole the best method for growing this DF variety? Or would other methods, like growing it on rocks, yield better results and better means of avoiding the thorns when handling plant.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bsbullie on December 05, 2014, 01:47:53 AM
First,  you can't  always believe  what you read on TTs website.

Now, as to the golden pitaya, this is available at Excalibur.  Most likely, TT got this from Excalibur,  either  directly or indirectly.  The fruit is sweeter than most or all commonly available dragon fruit however it is by no means SWEET like other commonly available tropical fruit.

The spines on the plant are short and stiff.  It will rip your skin if you aren't careful and rub against it.  It will also stick your hands  or arm id you arent careful when handling the plant or picking fruit.  The  spines on the fruit are longer and more flexible however they are easily removed with a paint brush.   When the fruit is ripe and ready to pick, you can use the paint  brush to literally brush the spines clean from the fruit.  The fruit is then easy to harvest.

The fruit size is small and there is not much t edible  flesh in each fruit.  It does seem to have decent  production.

With that being said, it is my wife's favorite dragon fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on December 05, 2014, 02:21:06 AM
Maybe you guys should try some of the top 10 Dragon Fruits from CA's tier list... Cebra ranked number 1 with a brix of about 19 I think.


Cebra is the 2nd from left.

I will let you know which one i like the best. :P

(http://s18.postimg.org/xo30pmool/dragonfruits.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/xo30pmool/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 05, 2014, 02:34:21 AM
The "Yellow Dragon Fruit" (Selenicereus megalanthus) is well known in Southern California by Dragon Fruit growers.

It has its "pros and cons". The biggest "pro" is its taste and BRIX scores. The biggest "con" IMO, is the thorns on the fruit.

The UCCE Irvine, CA has it in their collection and it is under observation.  BTW: It is the worst performer under their growing conditions.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/RamiroLoboPPT11_zpsb2e7e25b.jpg)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/RamiroLoboPPT13_zpsc2bae893.jpg)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/RamiroLoboPPT37_zpsa94476d4.jpg)

The above are from Ramiro Lobo's 2013 PowerPoint presentation.

"Cebra" is not number "1" on taste or BRIX scores, it is listed as "1" on the UCCE Irvine Field Results Excel sheet.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/2014Pitahaya-DFChart_zps7417b409.jpg)

Edit:  I am sorry, I should have mentioned that the above is from UCCE San Diego County.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 05, 2014, 02:51:06 AM
This begs the question: For this type of thorny DF, is using a wood pole the best method for growing this DF variety? Or would other methods, like growing it on rocks, yield better results and better means of avoiding the thorns when handling plant.

The "Yellow Dragon Fruit" (Colombian Pitahaya) is pretty much grown by most people like other DF varieties.

I finally broke down and got a cutting of the Yellow DF and its hybrid Frankie's Red.

I plan to try growing the Yellow DF in a big hanging basket like an epi.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on December 05, 2014, 03:34:00 AM
Ricshaw how do we read that info?

Heat tolerance for example is that specific for California or Florida? It would be easyier if they just mentioned the recommended temperatures. Same for cold hardiness or how much sun they like to get.

Cebra has heat tolerance of 3.5
I have no idea if i can put this one in full sun or better find another spot.

I think i will first clone them and then use the trial and error way of finding the best spot for each one.


Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 05, 2014, 12:03:45 PM
Ricshaw how do we read that info?

Heat tolerance for example is that specific for California or Florida? It would be easyier if they just mentioned the recommended temperatures. Same for cold hardiness or how much sun they like to get.

Cebra has heat tolerance of 3.5
I have no idea if i can put this one in full sun or better find another spot.

I think i will first clone them and then use the trial and error way of finding the best spot for each one.

The University's Pitahaya crop trail grant is a study for a potential alternative crop for San Diego County California farmers nothing else.

The field results posted above are for the 20 varieties grown (in the ground) in Irvine, California.

The information can be helpful to growers in other parts of the world. I think the recent DNA testing (not in the chart) on the 20 varieties in the UC collection is especially helpful.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 05, 2014, 12:20:36 PM
([url]http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/2014Pitahaya-DFChart_zps7417b409.jpg[/url])


It should be noted that of the 20 Pitahaya (Dragon Fruit) varieties in the UC collection, 10 are varieties obtained by the University from growers outside of the United States.

(SD) = San Diego, California
(FL) = Florida
(Nic) = Nicaragua
(Mex) = Mexico
(Col) = Colombia

Several of the names varieties were first obtained by hobbyist growers from cuttings given away by the University at Pitahaya Festivals.

"El Grullo" is the most recent variety and some growers are waiting patiently for cuttings.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on December 05, 2014, 12:39:30 PM
Any idea on what variety this may be? It seems like its a renamed Edgar selection of Condor? http://www.rareseeds.com/edgar-s-baby-dragon-fruit-pre-order/?F_Keyword=dragon (http://www.rareseeds.com/edgar-s-baby-dragon-fruit-pre-order/?F_Keyword=dragon)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 05, 2014, 02:32:17 PM
Any idea on what variety this may be? It seems like its a renamed Edgar selection of Condor? [url]http://www.rareseeds.com/edgar-s-baby-dragon-fruit-pre-order/?F_Keyword=dragon[/url] ([url]http://www.rareseeds.com/edgar-s-baby-dragon-fruit-pre-order/?F_Keyword=dragon[/url])


No, I think it is the "Edgar" variety, Edgar named after himself.

I had never heard of it until recently when Edgar gave me a cutting.

I found it listed on the "Pitaya Festival 2008 Testing Results".
I also recently was given, by Leo Manuel, a "Neon" cutting which is on the 2008 Pitaya Festval tasting results.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/edgar_zpsbbe2c7df.jpg)

I do not remember where I found the above...  maybe off Edgar's website.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 05, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Cebra has heat tolerance of 3.5
I have no idea if i can put this one in full sun or better find another spot.

I think i will first clone them and then use the trial and error way of finding the best spot for each one.

I can tell you it has been my (limited) experience, in general, most Dragon Fruit grown up vertically prefer shade or some shade on the lower stalk and full sun or more sun on the top branching fruiting canopy. Which makes sense the way it grows in the wild.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rtreid on December 05, 2014, 04:49:27 PM
Maybe you guys should try some of the top 10 Dragon Fruits from CA's tier list... Cebra ranked number 1 with a brix of about 19 I think.


Cebra is the 2nd from left.

I will let you know which one i like the best. :P

([url]http://s18.postimg.org/xo30pmool/dragonfruits.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/xo30pmool/[/url])

Nice cuttings! Good luck with them.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rtreid on December 05, 2014, 05:02:04 PM
Any idea on what variety this may be? It seems like its a renamed Edgar selection of Condor? [url]http://www.rareseeds.com/edgar-s-baby-dragon-fruit-pre-order/?F_Keyword=dragon[/url] ([url]http://www.rareseeds.com/edgar-s-baby-dragon-fruit-pre-order/?F_Keyword=dragon[/url])


I'm with you on this Null.  The green color of the skin sure reminds me of Condor. Are there any others that have that green skin when ripe?

Richard
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Rtreid on December 05, 2014, 05:28:26 PM
Ricshaw how do we read that info?

Heat tolerance for example is that specific for California or Florida? It would be easyier if they just mentioned the recommended temperatures. Same for cold hardiness or how much sun they like to get.

Cebra has heat tolerance of 3.5
I have no idea if i can put this one in full sun or better find another spot.

I think i will first clone them and then use the trial and error way of finding the best spot for each one.

Bangkok,

My 2 cents on this is that with the exception of Purple Haze, all of the plants you have are pretty equal as far as sun tolerance goes.  Most of mine (the oldest) are placed against a south facing fence and get full sun on the tops with variable amounts of shade  (some to none) at their feet. They all do very well where they are, with a bit of sun bleaching (the light green stems) but strong healthy growth.  The exception in Purple Haze which I have found to sunburn VERY easily.  I had mine in a semi shaded location for a few years where it grew spectacularly.  Last spring I moved it to s sunnier location and when summer came around it kept getting sunburn and rot until I lost half the plant. It is a shame and I need to move it since it is one of my favorite  Hylocereus.

That said, I am in coastal Southern CA and have a very mild climate with lots of fog and overcast days to minimize sun exposure.  My recollection of Thailand is hot with very intense sun, so all of your might benefit from some sun protection.

Richard
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JoeP450 on December 05, 2014, 06:29:48 PM
Just figured I would add, I picked up a zamorano DF from Mike at trees n more in palm city fl. I picked it up about a month ago then broke it up into pieces to multiply it. Already some new nubs are starting to grow (not pictured). I have sampled one before, blood red flesh and very tasty, not a DF connoisseur but it was way better than the white fleshed ones I have tried from the local grocery stores which even those I enjoyed and they were bland in comparison.

Also, is anyone growing haileys comet and does it live up to the description on PIN DF variety veiwer?  http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/dragon/index.htm (http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/dragon/index.htm)  I like their description as being large, and also a pretty pink flesh, if I get another DF it might be Halley's Comet.



(http://s8.postimg.org/k8lz0buoh/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/k8lz0buoh/)

(http://s8.postimg.org/731vghbf5/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/731vghbf5/)

-joep450
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 05, 2014, 08:09:15 PM
Also, is anyone growing haileys comet and does it live up to the description on PIN DF variety veiwer?  [url]http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/dragon/index.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/dragon/index.htm[/url])  I like their description as being large, and also a pretty pink flesh, if I get another DF it might be Halley's Comet.

-joep450


Halley's Comet and Delight are two of my favorites from tasting.  So much, that back in 2011, I decided that they were the two DF I was going to mainly grow for fruit.

I planted four Halley's Comet cuttings in 2011 and four Delight cuttings in 2012.  Plants look great, but nether are producing fruit yet.

Now I find out that Delight, Halley's Comet, and Physical Graffiti are very closely related (DNA testing) hybrids.

So my point is if you think you might like Halley's Comet...  you can't go wrong with Halley's Comet, or Delight, or Physical Graffiti.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on December 05, 2014, 09:52:17 PM
Ricshaw how do we read that info?

Heat tolerance for example is that specific for California or Florida? It would be easyier if they just mentioned the recommended temperatures. Same for cold hardiness or how much sun they like to get.

Cebra has heat tolerance of 3.5
I have no idea if i can put this one in full sun or better find another spot.

I think i will first clone them and then use the trial and error way of finding the best spot for each one.

Bangkok,

My 2 cents on this is that with the exception of Purple Haze, all of the plants you have are pretty equal as far as sun tolerance goes.  Most of mine (the oldest) are placed against a south facing fence and get full sun on the tops with variable amounts of shade  (some to none) at their feet. They all do very well where they are, with a bit of sun bleaching (the light green stems) but strong healthy growth.  The exception in Purple Haze which I have found to sunburn VERY easily.  I had mine in a semi shaded location for a few years where it grew spectacularly.  Last spring I moved it to s sunnier location and when summer came around it kept getting sunburn and rot until I lost half the plant. It is a shame and I need to move it since it is one of my favorite  Hylocereus.

That said, I am in coastal Southern CA and have a very mild climate with lots of fog and overcast days to minimize sun exposure.  My recollection of Thailand is hot with very intense sun, so all of your might benefit from some sun protection.

Richard

Thanks Richard, then i soon have a perfect spot for them where they get full sun untill 12-13:00 pm and can grow in full soil (above a drain pipe).
The purple haze will get some extra protection.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bradflorida on December 05, 2014, 09:54:12 PM
But does closely related with DNA equate to similar taste?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on December 05, 2014, 10:18:08 PM
There has been a lot of discussion about having a White-fleshed variety for pollination of other varieties that are not self-pollinating.  Are there different types to choose from with similar results or does one, say, 'giant vietnamese' perform far better in terms of pollen availability than others?

Or a simpler way to put it may be: what is the best DF selection to grow for this purpose? 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: BMc on December 06, 2014, 12:40:50 AM
Any idea on what variety this may be? It seems like its a renamed Edgar selection of Condor? [url]http://www.rareseeds.com/edgar-s-baby-dragon-fruit-pre-order/?F_Keyword=dragon[/url] ([url]http://www.rareseeds.com/edgar-s-baby-dragon-fruit-pre-order/?F_Keyword=dragon[/url])


I'm with you on this Null.  The green color of the skin sure reminds me of Condor. Are there any others that have that green skin when ripe?

Richard


Yes. Colored flowering varieties will often produce green skinned fruit.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Waterfall on December 08, 2014, 04:58:09 AM
I have a question for you guys, I was given a cutting from a friend at work about 8 months ago, I plant it in a small pot and maybe one month or two later the pot is full of roots so I go to a bigger size, maybe another month or so and the roots have filled the pot again so I step it up to a bigger pot.

All this time the cutting does not grow, just makes roots. I bought another cutting from a nursery and it doubled in size in one month, meanwhile this other cutting still does nothing. I get mad and cut its head off to try and get it to grow, still nothing....

Now I see it is sending up a sucker I guess you call it, its a bit hard to see in the photo.

(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd209/sivadleoj/Garden/20141208_185831.jpg)

So what should I do with this plant?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on December 08, 2014, 06:00:16 AM
I have a question for you guys, I was given a cutting from a friend at work about 8 months ago, I plant it in a small pot and maybe one month or two later the pot is full of roots so I go to a bigger size, maybe another month or so and the roots have filled the pot again so I step it up to a bigger pot.

All this time the cutting does not grow, just makes roots. I bought another cutting from a nursery and it doubled in size in one month, meanwhile this other cutting still does nothing. I get mad and cut its head off to try and get it to grow, still nothing....

Now I see it is sending up a sucker I guess you call it, its a bit hard to see in the photo.

([url]http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd209/sivadleoj/Garden/20141208_185831.jpg[/url])

So what should I do with this plant?


you planted it upside down.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Waterfall on December 08, 2014, 06:10:12 AM
you planted it upside down.


The spikes are meant to point up aren't they?

Here is a close up before I chopped its head off.

(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd209/sivadleoj/Garden/20140413_174815.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Waterfall on December 09, 2014, 04:08:35 AM
I took another photo today, it looks like there are a few new dragonfruit coming up.

(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd209/sivadleoj/Garden/20141209_190953.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 09, 2014, 11:40:26 AM
you planted it upside down.

I don't think it is upside down.

I think the "sucker growth" is interesting.  Something I have not seen except on one plant which I assumed was a seedling.

I can tell you that it is not uncommon for some cuttings to take off and start growing new growth right away, and other cuttings to do nothing for months.

My advice is to be patient.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on December 09, 2014, 07:47:21 PM
Also, start with a smaller pot so it'll start top growth sooner. This is not based on facts but on my own twisted logic that if it can't grow down, it must grow up.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JoeP450 on December 10, 2014, 11:31:39 PM
Maybe try putting some fertilizer in the pot and see if it kicks it into high gear. I agree, the sucker growth is totally odd/interesting. Also it is not planted upside down because the spines are pointed upward, but this it confusing because the top seems to have scabbed over as if it may have been cut. When your received this cutting were both ends cut?

-joep450
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Waterfall on December 11, 2014, 05:09:03 AM
I cut the top off after waiting 8 months for it to do nothing. It looks like the bigger of the 3 suckers is growing very fast now so I might just let it go. I'm only really growing this one to cross pollinate my yellow, red and purple varieties.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on December 11, 2014, 12:21:42 PM
http://www.abundancetradinggroup.com/jackfruit-harvesting/ (http://www.abundancetradinggroup.com/jackfruit-harvesting/)

If you have a Daiso shop near (from Japan) then they sell solid green gardening poles which are great for garden structures.

I bought all of them and will build a nice dragonfruit trellis from them. They come in all sizes and are cheap like everything in Daiso.

Also they sell plantclips to connect a plant/tree to the stick, very easy to adjust when the tree grows. I like everything easy and longlasting ;D
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 11, 2014, 06:51:41 PM
I use these plants poles.  They are great!

(http://www.abundancetradinggroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IMG-20140221-WA0007.jpg)

I can't imagine them supporting a mature Dragon Fruit plant.

(http://world-crops.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/16-Dragon-fruit.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on December 11, 2014, 10:10:17 PM
Ricshaw that is not 1 dragonfruitcactus  but many together.

But even that those poles can handle. If you want the shape like on the pic then build a wigwam tent from the poles.

My plan is to build an extended wigwam tent from 4-5 metre long. Add more poles if it isn't strong enough or use double poles. Maybe even connect the whole trellis to a wall or tree or whatever is near.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Galka on December 11, 2014, 11:26:05 PM
This is what I did. I may do something else to make it work. I was thinking to add one more tomato cage but upside down and bend the legs in shape of umbrella. Not sure though.

(http://i.imgur.com/CJkYLYE.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on December 11, 2014, 11:47:58 PM
Yes i thought of something like that. You have the same poles from Daiso i guess.

I thought of 3 wigwam posts and inbetween horizontal poles on different levels. If it ain't strong enough to carry the weight then i can add extra poles as posts.

I 'm still thinking to cover the poles in coconut-fibre so the cactus has something to root in. But that also might attract mosquito's so i'm not sure about it yet.

How old are your poles now? Do they really last long in full sun? I bought those poles because they can't rot and look good. I 'm planning to support all my tree's with these poles as soon as daiso has new stock.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Galka on December 12, 2014, 11:25:40 AM
This poles are about 8 months old but I also have some that are 2years old now and they are doing ok.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on December 12, 2014, 12:16:53 PM
This is ok temporarily, but you will need something much stronger than those sticks to support mature vines that weigh hundreds of pounds.  Check back in this thread for some good examples/ideas.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 13, 2014, 08:53:05 PM
I shared Simon's S. Megalanthus hybrids pdf link, on his Awesome Yellow Dragonfruit hybrids thread, with a CRFG friend.

My friend sent back an interesting related PowerPoint pdf. Check it out.
http://www.agrimaroc.net/cactus-congress/s22-%20Pitahayas%20introduction%20agrotechniques%20and%20breeding.pdf (http://www.agrimaroc.net/cactus-congress/s22-%20Pitahayas%20introduction%20agrotechniques%20and%20breeding.pdf)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on December 13, 2014, 10:27:55 PM
I shared Simon's S. Megalanthus hybrids pdf link, on his Awesome Yellow Dragonfruit hybrids thread, with a CRFG friend.

My friend sent back an interesting related PowerPoint pdf. Check it out.
[url]http://www.agrimaroc.net/cactus-congress/s22-%20Pitahayas%20introduction%20agrotechniques%20and%20breeding.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.agrimaroc.net/cactus-congress/s22-%20Pitahayas%20introduction%20agrotechniques%20and%20breeding.pdf[/url])


Those people are real knowledgeable about crossing DF varieties.

I was looking for somewhere to say that they were crossing the sweetest and highest quality DF varieties in all possible combinations, a sort of try all possible combinations and see what is the best result. But, I did not see that mentioned anywhere. Perhaps doing something like this will achieve the desired DF fruit sweetness and quality results.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on December 13, 2014, 11:20:27 PM
Thanks for sharing the article ricshaw, it was awesome! I wonder how the fruit of the Haploid plants turned out? Doubling the number of chromosomes decreased the size of the fruit, I wonder if halfing the chromosomes will yield larger fruit?

There appears to be some good work being done by people in the Agriculture industry, I hope some of the nicer plants that they develop will reach our soil and mouths in the near future. In the meantime, we have many CRFG and backyard breeders that are making their own crosses and paving their own road forward.

Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on December 13, 2014, 11:37:16 PM


some killer looking varieties there. Would love to get my hands on those.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bradflorida on December 14, 2014, 12:00:39 AM
The Powerpoint Rick shared noted Nematode damage to the plants.  Has anyone grown dragon fruit in the ground in Florida and had issues with nematodes?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Jexton on December 14, 2014, 08:24:45 PM
I have 4 in the ground and planning on adding 11 more. I haven't had any nematode issues, neither has a local friend how has 3 in the ground.  :P
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JoeP450 on December 14, 2014, 09:37:49 PM
I had a recent trip to the martin county property appraiser's office -> 1111 Southeast Federal Highway, Stuart, FL 34994 and came across this dragon fruit growing over the fence into the parking lot. Since I had my pocket knife on me I nabbed two cuttings, serendipity.


(http://s2.postimg.org/63ykaw0p1/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/63ykaw0p1/)

-joep450
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JoeP450 on December 14, 2014, 09:39:33 PM
Also ricshaw that pdf is amazing, very excited to see what new varieties the future holds, thanks for sharing.

-joep450
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on December 14, 2014, 10:42:24 PM
I know of  a person in Thailand who grew loads of dragonfruit variety's. One day they got infected by a fungus and they all died.

Maybe it was nematodes who killed, i don't know. But has anybody tried woodvinegar against nematodes?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on December 14, 2014, 11:49:10 PM
I had a recent trip to the martin county property appraiser's office -> 1111 Southeast Federal Highway, Stuart, FL 34994 and came across this dragon fruit growing over the fence into the parking lot. Since I had my pocket knife on me I nabbed two cuttings, serendipity.


([url]http://s2.postimg.org/63ykaw0p1/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/63ykaw0p1/[/url])

-joep450


Looks like this one has some of the good Guatemalan type genes. It may need cross pollination but the fruit should be oval, sweet with magenta flesh. I'm thinking of the kind with single thorns rather than clusters of them.
The owner probably wouldn't have mind too much, especially on the lower branches that they probably wanted to prune anyway. They would be unhappy if someone took fruits.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: BMc on December 15, 2014, 04:17:34 PM
I love the look of some of the gnarly black fruited varieties. Would like to see the cockatoos or kurawongs try to pinch one of those!
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: JoeP450 on December 19, 2014, 05:45:23 PM
I planted some dragon fruit cuttings at the base of this palm tree today. First, I zip tied the cuttings to the base of the tree then piled some soil around the base of the cuttings.
(http://s27.postimg.org/nph1peshb/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/nph1peshb/)
The left and right are zamorano DF while the center is the unknown cuttings I got from a few posts above.


(http://s3.postimg.org/ilrz44rdr/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ilrz44rdr/)
My goal is to have the two types of DF grow up the palm tree then start branching out above the trimmed hedge, I think it will look really nice also keeping the DF trained below the palm canopy. To the left in this picture is a ross sapote and behind tiki torch on the right is a semi dormant seedling sugar apple.

-joep450
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on December 25, 2014, 08:48:40 PM
https://www.google.co.th/search?q=dragon+fruit+tree&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=77ycVMf_JZepuwTIsoCICg&ved=0CBsQsAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=5cqpYOy3W__64M%3A%3BECb6gwbT5S4IWM%3B5cqpYOy3W__64M%3A&imgrc=5cqpYOy3W__64M%253A%3BaLUkTrBJnI5hPM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fpaulabrown.net%252Fdragon-fruit-plant-turning-yellow-29.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fpaulabrown.net%252Fdragon-fruit-plant-turning-yellow%3B500%3B375 (https://www.google.co.th/search?q=dragon+fruit+tree&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=77ycVMf_JZepuwTIsoCICg&ved=0CBsQsAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=5cqpYOy3W__64M%3A%3BECb6gwbT5S4IWM%3B5cqpYOy3W__64M%3A&imgrc=5cqpYOy3W__64M%253A%3BaLUkTrBJnI5hPM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fpaulabrown.net%252Fdragon-fruit-plant-turning-yellow-29.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fpaulabrown.net%252Fdragon-fruit-plant-turning-yellow%3B500%3B375)

I want to grow dragonfruit like on these pics. Short and compact and loads of fruit.

I always thought they have to hang down before they can fruit but thise grower must have some special tricks i guess.

What did they do to get this? Obviously they pruned them a lot but is that small pot also helping to let them fruit?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on December 25, 2014, 09:16:52 PM
I have seen these types of pics before and had the same questions.  I wouldn't rule out some kind of trick to allow them to sell more vines. 
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 26, 2014, 12:37:35 AM
[url]https://www.google.co.th/search?q=dragon+fruit+tree&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=77ycVMf_JZepuwTIsoCICg&ved=0CBsQsAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=5cqpYOy3W__64M%3A%3BECb6gwbT5S4IWM%3B5cqpYOy3W__64M%3A&imgrc=5cqpYOy3W__64M%253A%3BaLUkTrBJnI5hPM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fpaulabrown.net%252Fdragon-fruit-plant-turning-yellow-29.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fpaulabrown.net%252Fdragon-fruit-plant-turning-yellow%3B500%3B375[/url] ([url]https://www.google.co.th/search?q=dragon+fruit+tree&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=77ycVMf_JZepuwTIsoCICg&ved=0CBsQsAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=5cqpYOy3W__64M%3A%3BECb6gwbT5S4IWM%3B5cqpYOy3W__64M%3A&imgrc=5cqpYOy3W__64M%253A%3BaLUkTrBJnI5hPM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fpaulabrown.net%252Fdragon-fruit-plant-turning-yellow-29.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fpaulabrown.net%252Fdragon-fruit-plant-turning-yellow%3B500%3B375[/url])

I want to grow dragonfruit like on these pics. Short and compact and loads of fruit.

I always thought they have to hang down before they can fruit but thise grower must have some special tricks i guess.

What did they do to get this? Obviously they pruned them a lot but is that small pot also helping to let them fruit?


(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/$T2eC16RHJHYE9nzpdVQHBR!LGuBv!!~~60_12.JPG)

I think what we are seeing is several cut Dragon Fruit branches, with fruit, placed in a pot for sale like a flower arrangement. I think it is a way to give the fruit as a gift.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: bangkok on December 26, 2014, 12:51:43 AM
Ricshaw i agree, this looks too good to be true. Nice way to sell the cactus or as a gift.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: adalmoro on December 26, 2014, 07:33:18 PM
Ricshaw i agree, this looks too good to be true. Nice way to sell the cactus or as a gift.


I agree too ...
This image helps to understand:

(http://s28.postimg.org/ej8c2gmsp/Dragon_fruit_trees.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ej8c2gmsp/)


This text says because these trees are sold:
http://vietnamtoday.net/Print.aspx?Culture=vi-VN&q=120644 (http://vietnamtoday.net/Print.aspx?Culture=vi-VN&q=120644)






Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: lajolla on December 26, 2014, 08:13:37 PM
anybody with flower buds right now in Socal, if so what varieties?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: marklee on December 26, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
anybody with flower buds right now in Socal, if so what varieties?

I have some on my yellow Colombian.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 26, 2014, 11:02:13 PM
Ricshaw i agree, this looks too good to be true. Nice way to sell the cactus or as a gift.


I agree too ...
This image helps to understand:
([url]http://s28.postimg.org/ej8c2gmsp/Dragon_fruit_trees.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/ej8c2gmsp/[/url])

This text says because these trees are sold:
[url]http://vietnamtoday.net/Print.aspx?Culture=vi-VN&q=120644[/url] ([url]http://vietnamtoday.net/Print.aspx?Culture=vi-VN&q=120644[/url])


Good eye 'adalmoro'!!

Here is another picture for people to test which "cladodes" are upside-down.

(http://saigonnews.vn/contents/001/2013/02/07/33.JPG)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: lajolla on December 27, 2014, 08:23:56 PM
anybody with flower buds right now in Socal, if so what varieties?

I have some on my yellow Colombian.

how long does your yellow season last?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 27, 2014, 08:38:24 PM
According to UCCE field tests, most Dragon Fruit we grow in Southern California takes around 40 - 45 days to harvest. The Colombian Yellow Dragon Fruit takes around 150 - 180 days to harvest.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: lajolla on December 29, 2014, 03:35:32 PM
Thanks Mark and Ric.

Any tips on how to make a cutting grow super fast and produce fruit within a year period?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on December 29, 2014, 04:27:12 PM
Thanks Mark and Ric.

Any tips on how to make a cutting grow super fast and produce fruit within a year period?

Yes, replicate a warm environment with long daylight hours. So put it in a heated greenhouse with some holidays lights or flourescent lighting when the sun goes down LED is more efficient but more expensive.
A friend in coastal San Diego once went from seed to fruit in 18 months or so. It's the exception rather than the rule.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: lajolla on December 29, 2014, 08:22:51 PM
Thanks Mark and Ric.

Any tips on how to make a cutting grow super fast and produce fruit within a year period?

Yes, replicate a warm environment with long daylight hours. So put it in a heated greenhouse with some holidays lights or flourescent lighting when the sun goes down LED is more efficient but more expensive.
A friend in coastal San Diego once went from seed to fruit in 18 months or so. It's the exception rather than the rule.

Thanks any recommended fertilizers? how well do worm castings work on DFs?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on December 31, 2014, 01:44:08 AM
Poles without top structure?

So I am in a situation where I have the poles without anything on the top. They are reinforced concrete poles with a flat 3x3 inch top. The cuttings would reach the top in few months. Therefore getting in to panic mode I have looked at various options for the top but nothing constructive seems to fit (on the poles as well as my budget).

I'm now considering to leave the poles without anything on the top, like in these images from the net.
(copyright images, using direct link)
http://www.my-rainforest-adventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dragon-fruit-plantation.jpg (http://www.my-rainforest-adventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dragon-fruit-plantation.jpg)
http://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photo-field-young-dragon-fruit-plants-lead-concrete-poles-pitaya-plant-aka-cactus-up-image32472770 (http://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photo-field-young-dragon-fruit-plants-lead-concrete-poles-pitaya-plant-aka-cactus-up-image32472770)
http://pippikorean.blogspot.in/2012/01/dragon-fruit.html (http://pippikorean.blogspot.in/2012/01/dragon-fruit.html)

How would this work for the plant?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on December 31, 2014, 02:45:32 AM
Poles without top structure?

So I am in a situation where I have the poles without anything on the top. They are reinforced concrete poles with a flat 3x3 inch top. The cuttings would reach the top in few months. Therefore getting in to panic mode I have looked at various options for the top but nothing constructive seems to fit (on the poles as well as my budget).

I'm now considering to leave the poles without anything on the top, like in these images from the net.
(copyright images, using direct link)
[url]http://www.my-rainforest-adventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dragon-fruit-plantation.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.my-rainforest-adventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dragon-fruit-plantation.jpg[/url])
[url]http://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photo-field-young-dragon-fruit-plants-lead-concrete-poles-pitaya-plant-aka-cactus-up-image32472770[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photo-field-young-dragon-fruit-plants-lead-concrete-poles-pitaya-plant-aka-cactus-up-image32472770[/url])
[url]http://pippikorean.blogspot.in/2012/01/dragon-fruit.html[/url] ([url]http://pippikorean.blogspot.in/2012/01/dragon-fruit.html[/url])

How would this work for the plant?


The DF plants look young.  If your concrete posts do not have anything (rebar) sticking out of the top, I guess you will have to leave the posts without any additional trellis support on top.  Take pictures and report back in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Boshi on January 09, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
Wow, I must say that this thread is so inspiring! :D I got really interrested in dragonfruit somewhere around November-December, and have then started to grow some from seeds :)

Hopefully in 3-7 years, they will be able to grow fruit if I'm lucky :D

These ones are alittle under 2 weeks old, and right now in Denmark there aint too much sunlight, but some of them shows progress!

(http://s8.postimg.org/sp5ojvn4h/meh.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/sp5ojvn4h/)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on January 09, 2015, 06:45:27 PM
Boshi, I wish you success on the seedlings. They are prone to dying off in the first year. Maybe don't let them have excess water.

You can get seeds from forum members with good tasting varieties when they are in season. I'm not sure if that will result in better seedlings. It couldn't hurt if you're in a place that's difficult to get cuttings into.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Boshi on January 10, 2015, 01:53:26 PM
Thanks Fyliu, I also hope I'll get succes with them as it's my first time trying to grow something like this :)

All I know is that the fresher the seeds, the faster germination. But hopefully I can buy a cutting later on, since Denmark is a zone 8 and there cant be found any dragonfruit plants down here.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: LEOOEL on January 10, 2015, 05:43:05 PM
Poles without top structure?

So I am in a situation where I have the poles without anything on the top. They are reinforced concrete poles with a flat 3x3 inch top. The cuttings would reach the top in few months. Therefore getting in to panic mode I have looked at various options for the top but nothing constructive seems to fit (on the poles as well as my budget).

I'm now considering to leave the poles without anything on the top, like in these images from the net.
(copyright images, using direct link)
[url]http://www.my-rainforest-adventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dragon-fruit-plantation.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.my-rainforest-adventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dragon-fruit-plantation.jpg[/url])
[url]http://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photo-field-young-dragon-fruit-plants-lead-concrete-poles-pitaya-plant-aka-cactus-up-image32472770[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photo-field-young-dragon-fruit-plants-lead-concrete-poles-pitaya-plant-aka-cactus-up-image32472770[/url])
[url]http://pippikorean.blogspot.in/2012/01/dragon-fruit.html[/url] ([url]http://pippikorean.blogspot.in/2012/01/dragon-fruit.html[/url])

How would this work for the plant?


You know what, you're right, those DF pole images without (what I like to call) crowns don't look bad at all. I guess they could be called the lazy DF pole. The look is a bit commercial/industrial. Perhaps if the location on your yard is not a trophy/iconic location, it may work just fine.

I too 'sorta' panicked when my DF reached the top of the pole and I had no crown on it. I was fortunate to end up with a great crown with the help of a handyman friend.

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: dmk on January 11, 2015, 02:57:48 AM
Thanks guys!

Ricshaw, The poles do not have anything sticking out of the top (no rebar). It is a flat surface with not much space either. Which is why it gets me thinking, would it really work without anything at the top? The poles in the images are much thicker and that gives them good surface area on the top.

Leooel, the area is tucked away behind mango trees. Looks is not a concern, just want the plants to be happy.

I have few more ideas in mind that might just work for the top. Will share once I have finalized on it.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Boshi on February 07, 2015, 12:47:48 PM
After having talked this trough with my family, I got allowed to buy 2 dragonfruit cutting from Mattlandscape all the way here to Denmark.
I was a little stupid and put them in the ground alittle too early, so I took them out again, cut the bad part away and put fungicide rooting powder just for insurance.

So, the big question, are they ready to be planted, or should I wait till they start making roots before putting in soil?
They are both American beauty
(http://s27.postimg.org/6mrvivvzz/IMG_0077.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6mrvivvzz/)
(http://s27.postimg.org/g61kccji7/IMG_0076.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/g61kccji7/)

Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 07, 2015, 04:00:02 PM
After having talked this trough with my family, I got allowed to buy 2 dragonfruit cutting from Mattlandscape all the way here to Denmark.
I was a little stupid and put them in the ground alittle too early, so I took them out again, cut the bad part away and put fungicide rooting powder just for insurance.

So, the big question, are they ready to be planted, or should I wait till they start making roots before putting in soil?
They are both American beauty
([url]http://s27.postimg.org/6mrvivvzz/IMG_0077.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/6mrvivvzz/[/url])
([url]http://s27.postimg.org/g61kccji7/IMG_0076.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.org/image/g61kccji7/[/url])


Have you watched this YouTube video?

http://youtu.be/7GmuSTx7IHo (http://youtu.be/7GmuSTx7IHo)

http://youtu.be/7GmuSTx7IHo (http://youtu.be/7GmuSTx7IHo)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: drummer on February 10, 2015, 10:04:31 PM
Anyone with advice on how to keep these plants fast growing and happy
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on February 10, 2015, 11:37:24 PM
They grow really fast with warm weather, lots of water and fertilizer.

Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on February 11, 2015, 01:45:04 PM
Matts Landscapes: EPI-Cacti Nursery is getting "Sugar Dragon" this spring....not sure If I want to by a  cutting from Matt, or get a 5gallon pot from Elks Nursery.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on February 11, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
Elk creek may provide better after sale advice. Linda nickerson is a pretty opinionated lady and will tell you more than you asked. I've not dealt with either one but I've heard Linda speak at past dragon fruit festivals and events.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on February 11, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
Elk creek may provide better after sale advice. Linda nickerson is a pretty opinionated lady and will tell you more than you asked. I've not dealt with either one but I've heard Linda speak at past dragon fruit festivals and events.


I spoke to Linda last year on her Dragon Fruit selections...I mentioned several of the Dragon Fruit plants i purchased down the road at Matts nursery... LMFAO!!!! she immediately acknoledged  Matt as some Novice Grower who doesn't know much about Dragon Fruit except his Epi Cacti....literally downplayed the guy and made me feel uncomfortable...Maybe because Matt started his buisness much later than she did and he has over 50 plus varities...while she has only  a few.... Matt moves hundreds of plants a week via Amazon and his website, while I'm sure her numbers are much smaller....Seems like there's some turf war going on down there in Fallbrook lol.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on February 11, 2015, 06:47:21 PM
Oh, haha. Thanks for sharing. Now I can add to my story the next time someone asks.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: gunnar429 on February 11, 2015, 07:56:50 PM
You cali guys and your turf wars  ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: starling1 on February 11, 2015, 08:01:00 PM
Elk creek may provide better after sale advice. Linda nickerson is a pretty opinionated lady and will tell you more than you asked. I've not dealt with either one but I've heard Linda speak at past dragon fruit festivals and events.


I spoke to Linda last year on her Dragon Fruit selections...I mentioned several of the Dragon Fruit plants i purchased down the road at Matts nursery... LMFAO!!!! she immediately acknoledged  Matt as some Novice Grower who doesn't know much about Dragon Fruit except his Epi Cacti....literally downplayed the guy and made me feel uncomfortable...Maybe because Matt started his buisness much later than she did and he has over 50 plus varities...while she has only  a few.... Matt moves hundreds of plants a week via Amazon and his website, while I'm sure her numbers are much smaller....Seems like there's some turf war going on down there in Fallbrook lol.

I can vouch for mAtt. He's a good guy and is a straight shooter. Has always supplied me good cuttings that have always been true and gives me freebies with every order. Wish all sellers were like him.

And yes-- he knows his shit, believe me. I've had some great conversations with him via email that have really helped me out.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on February 11, 2015, 09:13:18 PM
Yes! Matt is also very informative about his craft... And he does it without the side bashing...
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: cos on February 11, 2015, 09:14:32 PM
starling1 good for you!!
yea lots of crap all around.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 11, 2015, 09:26:24 PM
I can vouch for mAtt. He's a good guy and is a straight shooter. Has always supplied me good cuttings that have always been true and gives me freebies with every order. Wish all sellers were like him.

And yes-- he knows his shit, believe me. I've had some great conversations with him via email that have really helped me out.


I too can vouch for Matt.

http://youtu.be/ssqFklhYhI4 (http://youtu.be/ssqFklhYhI4)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: drummer on February 23, 2015, 12:59:58 AM
Need to add some more Dragon fruit to my collection.any good variety that is cold hardy and a fast grower (and good taste of coarse). any suggestions, thanks.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on February 23, 2015, 01:34:29 PM
Need to add some more Dragon fruit to my collection.any good variety that is cold hardy and a fast grower (and good taste of coarse). any suggestions, thanks.


(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x457/Richard_Renshaw/Pitaya/2014Pitahaya-DFChart_zps7417b409.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on February 23, 2015, 02:00:48 PM
Hmm.. tastes are pretty subjective. If a single variety has all these traits, I don't think we'd have the 20 varieties we do now.

Cold hardy- valdivia roja from Richard's chart
Fast grower - physical graffitti
Good taste - many, but I like G2, sugar dragon,...
Self pollinating - Vietnamese white and yellow dragon are maybe the only consistent ones

Most of us want to grow the best one too and if you ask me I'd say I don't have any bad varieties, just 15-20 nice ones and maybe half of them actually fruit because they are too crowded.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: drummer on March 01, 2015, 09:03:34 PM
Anyone know when the next Dragon fruit festival and field day in Irvine is? I've always wanted to go there but never had the chance.Also do they charge? If they do how much do they usually charge? Thanks
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on March 01, 2015, 09:13:46 PM
Anyone know when the next Dragon fruit festival and field day in Irvine is? I've always wanted to go there but never had the chance.Also do they charge? If they do how much do they usually charge? Thanks


Here is a link to the 2014 festival.  2015 should be about the same.
http://www.uwagec.org/rightrisk/2014_08_22_PitahayaSeminarAndFestival.pdf (http://www.uwagec.org/rightrisk/2014_08_22_PitahayaSeminarAndFestival.pdf)

I went to the Saturday only field day which cost $40.00.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Josh-Los-Angeles on March 09, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
Has anyone had success using LED light to extend the season (or make them everbearing)? I picked up 2 12v waterproof 10w floods from Amazon, shining from the bottom up into the vines, but they haven't induced any flowers yet. Maybe my vine isn't big enough or it's an issue with heat.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on March 09, 2015, 11:50:53 AM
Has anyone had success using LED light to extend the season (or make them everbearing)? I picked up 2 12v waterproof 10w floods from Amazon, shining from the bottom up into the vines, but they haven't induced any flowers yet. Maybe my vine isn't big enough or it's an issue with heat.

20W of LED lights in a non reflective area, is going to be very little light to the plant. Your vine needs to gain mass first to spur flowering. I would say around +150 watt of LED grow light would be needed to flower a DF vine indoors. Also an area of 2'x2' with white walls or mylar would help greatly. No idea if you could trick the DF vine into flowering multiple times through out the year, but I assume it would be possible by manipulating the hours of artificial light to the plant (to stimulate hours reducing from summer into fall).
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Josh-Los-Angeles on March 09, 2015, 12:18:59 PM
Has anyone had success using LED light to extend the season (or make them everbearing)? I picked up 2 12v waterproof 10w floods from Amazon, shining from the bottom up into the vines, but they haven't induced any flowers yet. Maybe my vine isn't big enough or it's an issue with heat.


20W of LED lights in a non reflective area, is going to be very little light to the plant. Your vine needs to gain mass first to spur flowering. I would say around +150 watt of LED grow light would be needed to flower a DF vine indoors. Also an area of 2'x2' with white walls or mylar would help greatly. No idea if you could trick the DF vine into flowering multiple times through out the year, but I assume it would be possible by manipulating the hours of artificial light to the plant (to stimulate hours reducing from summer into fall).


Hey Null, thanks for the info. I'm in Los Angeles so this guy lives outside. Given we've had such a lite winter (or a non-existent winter) I want to fool the plant into thinking it's getting summer light hours. In the pic is American Beauty and Halley's Comet in a 15 gal pot. You can see the two black floods attached to the trellis inside shining up, I have them powered by my landscape lighting, set to go on when it gets dark and turn off 8 hours later. To me, the plant looks plenty big, but this is my first DF. With our days in the 80's, it's growing like crazy.

I'm basing the LED light idea off of articles like this and others: https://hathutranslator.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/using-artificial-lighting-system-in-dragon-cactus-off-season/ (https://hathutranslator.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/using-artificial-lighting-system-in-dragon-cactus-off-season/)

They talk about using 6-20w of light. Of course, they're spread out all over and in the tropics. It'd be great if we could grow DF year around :)


(http://s28.postimg.org/e1u7cd52l/dragon_fruit_march.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ClayMango on March 09, 2015, 12:40:34 PM
I spoke to Linda yesterday when I picked up 2 of Paul Thompson's S-8 Sugar Dragons, She and her Husband told me they picked their last Sugar Dragon last Month and that the season Starts Spring...... If that's true then it seems you would almost have an everbearing Dragon Fruit with variety losing out on about 3 months of Fruit.

I should have bought 4 plants, but the Wife was with me so I only got 2  :'(
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Josh-Los-Angeles on March 09, 2015, 01:03:27 PM
I spoke to Linda yesterday when I picked up 2 of Paul Thompson's S-8 Sugar Dragons, She and her Husband told me they picked their last Sugar Dragon last Month and that the season Starts Spring...... If that's true then it seems you would almost have an everbearing Dragon Fruit with variety losing out on about 3 months of Fruit.

I should have bought 4 plants, but the Wife was with me so I only got 2  :'(

Interesting. Did you see any artificial lighting at their place? DF is a photo period plant, so it shouldn't flower after oct or so.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on March 09, 2015, 01:04:00 PM
Has anyone had success using LED light to extend the season (or make them everbearing)? I picked up 2 12v waterproof 10w floods from Amazon, shining from the bottom up into the vines, but they haven't induced any flowers yet. Maybe my vine isn't big enough or it's an issue with heat.

Josh,

How long (days) have the lights been on?
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Josh-Los-Angeles on March 09, 2015, 01:08:02 PM
Has anyone had success using LED light to extend the season (or make them everbearing)? I picked up 2 12v waterproof 10w floods from Amazon, shining from the bottom up into the vines, but they haven't induced any flowers yet. Maybe my vine isn't big enough or it's an issue with heat.


Josh,

How long (days) have the lights been on?


Hey Ricshaw, I've had them going since early Nov last year. One of the lights doesn't have quite the output of the other one (cheap import light) so maybe a total of 15 watts. This is what I purchased: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00G3TJ9T0 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00G3TJ9T0)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on March 09, 2015, 01:27:53 PM
I am understanding what you are trying to do better Josh. It may help having a reflective cover around the plant to increase the light exposure. Depending how much light intensity is hitting the plant, the plant could perceive it as bright moon light rather then afternoon sun. I would think light wavelength and spectrum would be important in this case along with light intensity. Getting a bloom type grow light with plenty of red lights may be beneficial for the experiment.

Also consider that the guy in Vietnam has more daylight hours and light intensity during fall, winter, and spring. More photosynthesis is happening in his situation versus what you have. The plant may need a certain amount of energy stored to initiate flowering.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: fyliu on March 09, 2015, 01:28:34 PM
LED lights are pretty much single or very narrow spectrum. So a whitish LED will not feed your DF at all, unlike a broad spectrum fluorescent bulb. You need a color that's in the absorption range of the plant. Those are the spooky red and blue colors and your neighbors would wonder if you're growing pot when that was illegal. Search for grow LED in eBay to find them. Our member (Kevin? CoPlantNut?) In Colorado has been using them in the basement during winters and has firsthand experience.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Josh-Los-Angeles on March 09, 2015, 01:39:12 PM
Hey guys, that makes sense. I want to see if there's any more info (or real world experience in CA or FL) before dropping more coin on lights.

Here's an interesting article about the actual light amounts needed. The light isn't used in a traditional sense, more to shock the plant into thinking it's day. My DF already gets plenty of regular light, I just want it to think it's July: http://stfc.org.au/dragon-fruit-by-graham-reindeers (http://stfc.org.au/dragon-fruit-by-graham-reindeers)

And here's a bit where they talk about using 27w CFL vs 6w LED: http://ilarrdec.mmsu.edu.ph/manuals/OffSEASON_DF.pdf (http://ilarrdec.mmsu.edu.ph/manuals/OffSEASON_DF.pdf)

Commercial production:

(https://hathutranslator.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/lighting-system-in-dragon_5.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on March 09, 2015, 01:41:59 PM
LED lights are pretty much single or very narrow spectrum. So a whitish LED will not feed your DF at all, unlike a broad spectrum fluorescent bulb. You need a color that's in the absorption range of the plant. Those are the spooky red and blue colors and your neighbors would wonder if you're growing pot when that was illegal. Search for grow LED in eBay to find them. Our member (Kevin? CoPlantNut?) In Colorado has been using them in the basement during winters and has firsthand experience.


I don't think that is true, the white LED light will give some usable light to the plant. However it would not be as much as a specialized LED grow light.

This looks like a decent wattage to start at. I would consider getting a tall grow tent 3'x3'x8', or doing it cheaper and getting some white cardboard to place around and a stand to hold the light above the plant.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151374521551?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true (http://www.ebay.com/itm/151374521551?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Josh-Los-Angeles on March 09, 2015, 01:50:29 PM
LED lights are pretty much single or very narrow spectrum. So a whitish LED will not feed your DF at all, unlike a broad spectrum fluorescent bulb. You need a color that's in the absorption range of the plant. Those are the spooky red and blue colors and your neighbors would wonder if you're growing pot when that was illegal. Search for grow LED in eBay to find them. Our member (Kevin? CoPlantNut?) In Colorado has been using them in the basement during winters and has firsthand experience.


I don't think that is true, the white LED light will give some usable light to the plant. However it would not be as much as a specialized LED grow light.

This looks like a decent wattage to start at. I would consider getting a tall grow tent 3'x3'x8', or doing it cheaper and getting some white cardboard to place around and a stand to hold the light above the plant.
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/151374521551?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/151374521551?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true[/url])


Hey Null, cool ideas. Based on what I've read (linked above) commercial growers are using just 6w LEDs in the 2700k spectrum (the red end) to shock the plants into flowering. A 300w grow light with tent would be great for indoors, but, from what I can tell, that's overkill for growing outside. Besides, my plant is already 9ft tall x 6ft wide :) I don't think they're trying to get complete light coverage, more to just let the plants know it's daytime. I could see maybe a 50w red spectrum LED grow light outdoors, as long as it's waterproof.

Then again, the lights I got are 3000-3500k. Pretty red when they're lit up, definitely "warm white" not daylight, but maybe they need something closer to 2700k to trick the DF into flowering.

The commercial growers only turn on the lights from 10-2am using this setup (CFLs in the pic):

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/sg-jWbNmOxjUGUjBqLlO-7RvSKuzl_GVED6gA8NpL-fryJ_yjibd1VxHW4GdI9_nnq5noBFYVsSwzsdfGI1fqWKDYsdrq5WX2zl2CHurNNlR7mY87j3CqQIFQ7hZWLdx4w)
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: simon_grow on March 09, 2015, 01:55:31 PM
I was going to post this on a separate thread but since it was mentioned here, I'll discuss it here. By planting Frankies Red and the Yellow Dragon H/S Megalanthus, you can pretty much cover most the year. I didn't do anything special and both varieties are still holding fruit. Both varieties seem to be able to hold fruit for a very very long time. I have to double check but I believe I've had fruit since November. I'll take picture later.
Simon
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on March 09, 2015, 01:56:59 PM
I think the trick is to make the plant think it is getting 12 or more hours of light a day.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on March 09, 2015, 02:01:46 PM
I was going to post this on a separate thread but since it was mentioned here, I'll discuss it here. By planting Frankies Red and the Yellow Dragon H/S Megalanthus, you can pretty much cover most the year. I didn't do anything special and both varieties are still holding fruit. Both varieties seem to be able to hold fruit for a very very long time. I have to double check but I believe I've had fruit since November. I'll take picture later.
Simon

One difference between H. megalanthus and most other Dragon Fruit varieties is the "days to harvest".

In Southern California, most Dragon Fruit varieties take about 45 days. Yellow Dragon Fruit takes about 165 days.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: ricshaw on March 09, 2015, 02:06:51 PM

The commercial growers only turn on the lights from 10-2am using this setup (CFLs in the pic):

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/sg-jWbNmOxjUGUjBqLlO-7RvSKuzl_GVED6gA8NpL-fryJ_yjibd1VxHW4GdI9_nnq5noBFYVsSwzsdfGI1fqWKDYsdrq5WX2zl2CHurNNlR7mY87j3CqQIFQ7hZWLdx4w)

I aslo notice that they are still using incandescent bulbs.

Keep us posted on what you find in LED lighting.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on March 09, 2015, 02:55:41 PM
Josh,

Yeah the 300w LED is over kill. I don't know why I did not think of recommending you the LED Grow light strips before;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-3-4-5-10-25-50m-5050-LED-Strip-Aquarium-Greenhouse-Hydroponic-Grow-Light-12V-/381115004615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item58bc3976c7 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-3-4-5-10-25-50m-5050-LED-Strip-Aquarium-Greenhouse-Hydroponic-Grow-Light-12V-/381115004615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item58bc3976c7)

They are waterproof and you can string them around the tree. You will just need to hook up the power ends to an adapter, you can use power twists and and a suitable 12V power adapter.
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: Josh-Los-Angeles on March 09, 2015, 03:14:38 PM
Josh,

Yeah the 300w LED is over kill. I don't know why I did not think of recommending you the LED Grow light strips before;

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-3-4-5-10-25-50m-5050-LED-Strip-Aquarium-Greenhouse-Hydroponic-Grow-Light-12V-/381115004615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item58bc3976c7[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-3-4-5-10-25-50m-5050-LED-Strip-Aquarium-Greenhouse-Hydroponic-Grow-Light-12V-/381115004615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item58bc3976c7[/url])

They are waterproof and you can string them around the tree. You will just need to hook up the power ends to an adapter, you can use power twists and and a suitable 12V power adapter.


That's pretty cool! Those may work. I feel like I need to do some more research to figure out what the problem is. The potential issues are:

-Wrong light spectrum (2700k needed instead of 3000k). Also, it appears DF needs 660nm wavelength in LED terms, not sure how that translates to kelvin.

-Not enough light

-Not enough coverage

-Plant too young
Title: Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
Post by: nullzero on March 09, 2015, 03:23:08 PM
Josh,

Yeah the 300w LED is over kill. I don't know why I did not think of recommending you the LED Grow light strips before;

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-3-4-5-10-25-50m-5050-LED-Strip-Aquarium-Greenhouse-Hydroponic-Grow-Light-12V-/381115004615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item58bc3976c7[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-3-4-5-10-25-50m-5050-LED-Strip-Aquarium-Greenhouse-Hydroponic-Grow-Light-12V-/381115004615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item58bc3976c7[/url])

They are waterproof and you can string them around the tree. You will just need to hook up the power ends to an adapter, you can use power twists and and a suitable 12V power adapter.


That's pretty cool! Those may work. I feel like I need to do some more research to figure out what the problem is. The potential issues are:

-Wrong light spectrum (2700k needed instead of 3000k). Also, it appears DF needs 660nm wavelength in LED terms, not sure how that translates to kelvin.

-Not enough light

-Not enough coverage

-Plant too young


That strip I listed should have 660nm in it, they just don't list the wavelengths. Other similar strips do such as this listing; http://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-660nm-Blue-455nm-5-1-LED-5050-Flexible-Strips-Light-for-Plant-Grow-Growth-/261605177804?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var