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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: simon_grow on July 13, 2017, 04:59:05 PM
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Here are some interesting videos from Pete Kanaris:
Part 1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YeCrZC_5slU
Part 2 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=blS3c9q_C6Q
I'm interested in some of the varieties Dr. Campbell is growing.
Simon
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Dr. Campbell talks about growing trees on a "super-dwarfing rootstock". I wonder when that'll be released to the public?
Also, I've talked to Mike Winterstein at the Miami germplasm about a dwarfing rootstock they're experimenting with called "creeper". I wonder if that's the one Dr. Campbell is using.
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Yup, don't know much about
Ceiles (something)
Sunburst
Diamond (maybe a different one)
That's awesome that he's growing orange sherbet
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With Dr Campbells connections in Mango, I wouldn't be surprised if he has the actual Orange Sherbet but it wouldn't be too difficult to get a clone by growing some seeds.
Simon
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Yup, don't know much about
Ceiles (something)
Sunburst
Diamond (maybe a different one)
That's awesome that he's growing orange sherbet
Ceci Love mangoes were available a few years ago at Fairchilds Mango Festival
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Nice video Simon of course he has the real OS Gary Zill is his mango partner......Californian are the only ones deprived of OS lol
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Thanks for posting this. Good to see what he is up to these days...
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Haha, we should thank Pete Kanaris for making the great videos. We don't have Orange Sherbet but hopefully we will have an Orange Sherbet clone that is very similar in taste, thanks to good friends in Florida. Thanks to all the passionate mango enthusiasts around the world, we are able to share scions and seeds to further the hobby. Many of the newer mangos are mind blowing when compared to some of the old school varieties but some of the oldies but goodies like DOT will never be forgotten.
It's crazy to think that if Maurice Kong never went on vacation to Burma, we would probably not have PPK which means no Lemon Zest and Orange Sherbet. Because of his love of mangos and the willingness to share, the world is gifted with the outstanding flavor profile of this group of mangos.
Simon
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The g-32 seeds I planted came from Campbell from Fairchild Farm in Homestead
Here are pics
(https://s23.postimg.cc/7cn6k64if/IMG_0107.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7cn6k64if/)
(https://s23.postimg.cc/a809r18if/IMG_0111.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/a809r18if/)
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"Diamond" is hot garbage. It was originally HW-14, then Richard named it "Fairchild Diamond". The name was then changed to Diamond. It's one of the worst mangos I've ever eaten and tastes like a vegetable.
Cecilove is 34-24, a Carrie seedling from the Zill project.
Richard used Piva quite a bit at Fairchild Farm and it did dwarf some trees.
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"Diamond" is hot garbage. It was originally HW-14, then Richard named it "Fairchild Diamond". The name was then changed to Diamond. It's one of the worst mangos I've ever eaten and tastes like a vegetable.
Cecilove is 34-24, a Carrie seedling from the Zill project.
Richard used Piva quite a bit at Fairchild Farm and it did dwarf some trees.
Maybe instead of Diamond, they should call it Charcoal, lol. I've heard some people also say that Maha, Malika, Angie and a few others I can't remember having a vegetable taste.
Simon
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"Diamond" is hot garbage. It was originally HW-14, then Richard named it "Fairchild Diamond". The name was then changed to Diamond. It's one of the worst mangos I've ever eaten and tastes like a vegetable.
Cecilove is 34-24, a Carrie seedling from the Zill project.
Richard used Piva quite a bit at Fairchild Farm and it did dwarf some trees.
Maybe instead of Diamond, they should call it Charcoal, lol. I've heard some people also say that Maha, Malika, Angie and a few others I can't remember having a vegetable taste.
Simon
Mallika can taste like a carrot sometimes when it doesn't ripen right. Baptiste also tastes like a carrot.
Diamond is worse though. Sometimes southeast Asian mangos (ala NDM) can get that vegetable component to their flavor but this thing takes it to another level. It sucks.
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That seems insane that someone with his level of expertise would consider one of the worst-tasting mangos one of his favorites! Just goes to show how everone's taste/opinion is different. Maybe he's eaten so many mangos that only he can appreciate the unique qualities of a garbage mango--"one of his children." We know his love of mangos is boundless. Beautiful tropical paradise where he lives.
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The Diamon is very consistent in its quality...as stated, consistently lousy.
To further that, many if his "curator choices" fall into that same category. High praises for that...
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The Diamon is very consistent in its quality...as stated, consistently lousy.
To further that, many if his "curator choices" fall into that same category. High praises for that...
I hate Neelam!
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I don't have a problem with Neelam, its not the best but when I'm eating it in September its good.
That said, I am slowly top working it to Honey Kiss
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My point was that I planted Neelam because it was one of Richard Campbell's Curator Choices, as was Angie. I've long since chopped it down, and have considered getting rid of Angie as well. What has saved Angie is that it's a reliable producer of beautiful fruit, it's fairly early, and it's easily managed. But the flavor leaves a lot to be desired.
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My point was that I planted Neelam because it was one of Richard Campbell's Curator Choices, as was Angie. I've long since chopped it down, and have considered getting rid of Angie as well. What has saved Angie is that it's a reliable producer of beautiful fruit, it's fairly early, and it's easily managed. But the flavor leaves a lot to be desired.
John, I 100% agree with your statement.
The choice listed are not the best tasting. I've been burned by their selection as well and as a result have been top working trees to correct it (looking at you Lancetilla).
I don't know who the list is geared towards but its definitely not the mango enthusiast (us).
I think its more for people who would never plant a tree because its "too hard" to grow, and are fine with randoms mangos during the season.
If these people are the intended audience then, I can't argue with most of these selections. (easy to grow, not crazy vigorous)
Although I'll curious to why Pickering is not on there.
I usually recommend Glenn to a person who only wants one tree.
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I bought some funky NDM this year. This was the first I ran into it but I am still pretty new to the mango game.
"Diamond" is hot garbage. It was originally HW-14, then Richard named it "Fairchild Diamond". The name was then changed to Diamond. It's one of the worst mangos I've ever eaten and tastes like a vegetable.
Cecilove is 34-24, a Carrie seedling from the Zill project.
Richard used Piva quite a bit at Fairchild Farm and it did dwarf some trees.
Maybe instead of Diamond, they should call it Charcoal, lol. I've heard some people also say that Maha, Malika, Angie and a few others I can't remember having a vegetable taste.
Simon
Mallika can taste like a carrot sometimes when it doesn't ripen right. Baptiste also tastes like a carrot.
Diamond is worse though. Sometimes southeast Asian mangos (ala NDM) can get that vegetable component to their flavor but this thing takes it to another level. It sucks.
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I like NDM although it's not my favorite and the flavor can be one dimensional. In good years, it does have a slight floral note and it does taste a bit like nectar to me. I used to suck honeysuckle.
Simon
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I appreciate the video links, I find it very interesting what Campbell is attempting to do. I do see a few discrepancies in his comments, maybe I heard him wrong, he mentions that trees are planted at about 10 ft apart. and in one part of the video says he will increase the amount of trees per half acre, later he says he might have to pull some out.
It will be interesting to see if he is able to keep plants dwarfed solely by pushing production. having so many trees so close together, with little circulation seems like an invitation for fungal problems down the line. and although I always support the idea of keeping the garden industrial chemical free, and love the idea of trying to be sustainable as possible, its seems like this will be very labor intensive, pruning 250 trees, and doing almost all other labor manually. I do respect his experience, and learned a few things in these videos, also gave me some ideas of my own.
I am not too clear on the so called proprietary varieties he intends to patent, are these non-mentioned varieties or the ones he mentioned in the video? could they be the new hybrids mentioned by Noris in another thread?
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Neelam fruits are highly variable. I have had some very good, extra sweet ones from my tree + Neelam is late when others are not around. Last year into September. At least on my tree...some years lots of antracnose but might be due to poor air circulation in that spot. This year no anthacnose
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Glad I read this thread as I got a stick of Diamond recently.
Anyone have any info on others I got - Zinc and Cushman? Worth grafting? Already grafted Zill varieties but the 3 other varieties are still in the fridge.
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Cool vids, thanks for the links.
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Glad I read this thread as I got a stick of Diamond recently.
Anyone have any info on others I got - Zinc and Cushman? Worth grafting? Already grafted Zill varieties but the 3 other varieties are still in the fridge.
Yeah, best to not waste your space with the Diamond.
Cushman is an excellent tasting mango. Tree is somewhat scraggily with some possible scab and other health issues when grown in our area.
ZINC is a Zill variety, stands for Zill Indo Chinese. It originated as a chance seedling. Excellent top notch variety. Tree is fairly vigorous and spreading and the fruit here has some ripening and splitting issues. It has two ripening times with the late "crop" usually being better. Eaten not fully ripe and it is tart and chalky but eaten properly ripened and its a top notch fruit, like its offspring...it is the parent of Sweet Tart, Kathy and Venus.
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Glad I read this thread as I got a stick of Diamond recently.
Anyone have any info on others I got - Zinc and Cushman? Worth grafting? Already grafted Zill varieties but the 3 other varieties are still in the fridge.
Yeah, best to not waste your space with the Diamond.
Cushman is an excellent tasting mango. Tree is somewhat scraggily with some possible scab and other health issues when grown in our area.
ZINC is a Zill variety, stands for Zill Indo Chinese. It originated as a chance seedling. Excellent top notch variety. Tree is fairly vigorous and spreading and the fruit here has some ripening and splitting issues. It has two ripening times with the late "crop" usually being better. Eaten not fully ripe and it is tart and chalky but eaten properly ripened and its a top notch fruit, like its offspring...it is the parent of Sweet Tart, Kathy and Venus.
Excellent info, thanks a bunch!
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very interesting point about the desired lack of nitrogen and also the desired lighter green leaves and it's positive effects on the brix index.
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very interesting point about the desired lack of nitrogen and also the desired lighter green leaves and it's positive effects on the brix index.
I noticed that. Here's my take on NPK ratios or at least what I practice. Too many pros have stated that mangos don't like much if any N. I feel that applies to 2 yr. or older fruiting trees, an age at which Campbell tries to fruit his new mango transplants. So, I hit them with N when juveniles to build a canopy but am adjusting the NPK to a low N, high P food, or giving them potassium sulfate exclusively.
Fascinating too that he and his son are digging out a hole in coral/limestone and planting in the hole chiseled out.
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Glad I read this thread as I got a stick of Diamond recently.
Anyone have any info on others I got - Zinc and Cushman? Worth grafting? Already grafted Zill varieties but the 3 other varieties are still in the fridge.
Yeah, best to not waste your space with the Diamond.
Cushman is an excellent tasting mango. Tree is somewhat scraggily with some possible scab and other health issues when grown in our area.
ZINC is a Zill variety, stands for Zill Indo Chinese. It originated as a chance seedling. Excellent top notch variety. Tree is fairly vigorous and spreading and the fruit here has some ripening and splitting issues. It has two ripening times with the late "crop" usually being better. Eaten not fully ripe and it is tart and chalky but eaten properly ripened and its a top notch fruit, like its offspring...it is the parent of Sweet Tart, Kathy and Venus.
Is Kathy monoembryonic?
I am one who does enjoy the chalky taste...
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very interesting point about the desired lack of nitrogen and also the desired lighter green leaves and it's positive effects on the brix index.
I noticed that. Here's my take on NPK ratios or at least what I practice. Too many pros have stated that mangos don't like much if any N. I feel that applies to 2 yr. or older fruiting trees, an age at which Campbell tries to fruit his new mango transplants. So, I hit them with N when juveniles to build a canopy but am adjusting the NPK to a low N, high P food, or giving them potassium sulfate exclusively.
Fascinating too that he and his son are digging out a hole in coral/limestone and planting in the hole chiseled out.
sound like a logical strategy. Other than the weather, does not seem like the most ideal location to put in tree orchard. Chiseling the holes out with hand tools to boot. Wondering when they will get rid of the jeep in the background as a way of demonstrating the anti-machine/technology statement. lol
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I appreciate the video links, I find it very interesting what Campbell is attempting to do. I do see a few discrepancies in his comments, maybe I heard him wrong, he mentions that trees are planted at about 10 ft apart. and in one part of the video says he will increase the amount of trees per half acre, later he says he might have to pull some out.
It will be interesting to see if he is able to keep plants dwarfed solely by pushing production. having so many trees so close together, with little circulation seems like an invitation for fungal problems down the line. and although I always support the idea of keeping the garden industrial chemical free, and love the idea of trying to be sustainable as possible, its seems like this will be very labor intensive, pruning 250 trees, and doing almost all other labor manually. I do respect his experience, and learned a few things in these videos, also gave me some ideas of my own.
I am not too clear on the so called proprietary varieties he intends to patent, are these non-mentioned varieties or the ones he mentioned in the video? could they be the new hybrids mentioned by Noris in another thread?
Re: proprietary varieties
I recall hearing some vague comments about the dispute with Fairchild and he hints in the first video without coming out and saying it "trees had to be moved in a short period"..."root pruned"...indicating these were grown on another property that wasn't his yet he has claimed ownership of the genetics.
I do wonder about plant patenting economics...is it worth it?
On another note, I have tasted Orange Sherbert seedling and yes, it is the real deal. Holding on to control of poly seeded fruit is like holding back the tide by hand...
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Future, not even slightest difference with OS you get at Zill's stand?? It's my favorite all time mango.
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very interesting point about the desired lack of nitrogen and also the desired lighter green leaves and it's positive effects on the brix index.
I noticed that. Here's my take on NPK ratios or at least what I practice. Too many pros have stated that mangos don't like much if any N. I feel that applies to 2 yr. or older fruiting trees, an age at which Campbell tries to fruit his new mango transplants. So, I hit them with N when juveniles to build a canopy but am adjusting the NPK to a low N, high P food, or giving them potassium sulfate exclusively.
When I first started mangoes in 2008 I emailed Richard Campbell on fertilizer and his brief answer was to use 0-0-50 sulfate. Worthless advice for young trees. I could not find this 0 0 50 potassium sulfate so I did not fertilize at all for a few years. Big mistake. Then I read the back of a Zill mango tree tag and started fertilizing young trees on this basis.
here is photo of one I posted ages ago---- (control and + to magnify) http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6015/5905298900_05f84f80ee_b.jpg (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6015/5905298900_05f84f80ee_b.jpg)
Once I followed Zill fertilization instructions my young trees took off
Mark your take is 100% correct in my book. Young mango trees need N. Even cheapo 10-10-10 will work if you apply a little at a time on top of mulch which slows down it's quick acting nitrogen. Better fertilizers are easy to find with slow release poly coated nitrogen which dissolves slowly, so very hard to burn your trees unless in pots. There are better fertilizers available in South Florida (such as at Excalibur) but for easy to find slow release N you can find avocado/citrus fertilizers at HD and Lowes. Their number vary but are about 6-4-6
Older trees need less or zero N. More N means more pruning. You are right about getting a good potassium sulfate. Not the fast dissolve stuff (powders) that goes into irrigation systems. Use the granular 0 0 50 sulfate that puts out the potassium sulfate slowly.
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"Diamond" is hot garbage. It was originally HW-14, then Richard named it "Fairchild Diamond". The name was then changed to Diamond. It's one of the worst mangos I've ever eaten and tastes like a vegetable.
Cecilove is 34-24, a Carrie seedling from the Zill project.
Richard used Piva quite a bit at Fairchild Farm and it did dwarf some trees.
Maybe instead of Diamond, they should call it Charcoal, lol. I've heard some people also say that Maha, Malika, Angie and a few others I can't remember having a vegetable taste.
Simon
Mallika can taste like a carrot sometimes when it doesn't ripen right. Baptiste also tastes like a carrot.
Diamond is worse though. Sometimes southeast Asian mangos (ala NDM) can get that vegetable component to their flavor but this thing takes it to another level. It sucks.
Disappointing news about the Diamond because the growth habit appears to be very compact with strong branching. I just bought a 7gal based on the hardy and symmetrical look of the tree.
(https://s1.postimg.cc/5yapig4q3/IMG_3351.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5yapig4q3/)
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Future, not even slightest difference with OS you get at Zill's stand?? It's my favorite all time mango.
Trust me. This clone could shine on Star Wars. OS is top five in my list. Tough to beat.
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Is Kathy monoembryonic?
I am one who does enjoy the chalky taste...
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I have a kathy seedling and it was mono. I too love the chaulky texture of some mangoe cvs- especially if it's sweet/very sweet.. Starch mango from tnt has it. When I first tasted ZINC in 2015 it had it. Dot can get it some times. I think Valcarrie and Julieette too. Looking forward to enjoying Venus as well if it has it.
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Watching the second video, newbies might think the good doc creating LZ, OS....he mentions "collected" alongside "proprietary"...most here would know so I'm just saying. This is a closest I've seen to the good Doc giving props to the illustrious Zill work...while not mentioning the name Zill...
Anyone know about the unnamed 1898 collection from Saigon by David Fairchild?
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Thought he stopped working for Fairchild gardens and moved to Costa Rica to work for ag company there?
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Disappointing news about the Diamond because the growth habit appears to be very compact with strong branching. I just bought a 7gal based on the hardy and symmetrical look of the tree.
(https://s1.postimg.cc/5yapig4q3/IMG_3351.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5yapig4q3/)
I have often bought mango trees based on looks. Went into the nursery wanting to buy one variety but they did not have good specimens. So I bought a strong looking mango tree that was not on my list. If you have the space plant it anyway. Worse comes to worse you can graft onto it. Your soil might produce good diamond mangoes or they might be fruits that others like. Maybe micro-nutrient sprays and optimum fertilization can make it taste better.
My 2¢ worth.
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Chiseling the holes out with hand tools to boot. Wondering when they will get rid of the jeep in the background as a way of demonstrating the anti-machine/technology statement. lol
And no chain saws! ;D
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Mark your take is 100% correct in my book. Young mango trees need N. Even cheapo 10-10-10 will work if you apply a little at a time on top of mulch which slows down it's quick acting nitrogen. Better fertilizers are easy to find with slow release poly coated nitrogen which dissolves slowly, so very hard to burn your trees unless in pots. There are better fertilizers available in South Florida (such as at Excalibur) but for easy to find slow release N you can find avocado/citrus fertilizers at HD and Lowes. Their number vary but are about 6-4-6
Older trees need less or zero N. More N means more pruning. You are right about getting a good potassium sulfate. Not the fast dissolve stuff (powders) that goes into irrigation systems. Use the granular 0 0 50 sulfate that puts out the potassium sulfate slowly.
Kathy, a TX-MX border tropical nursery (who just sponsored a mango festival) told me years ago to back off the N. Said mangos store nitrogen.
Am still using Polyon 18-4-9 slow release 12 mo. on all materials. Will continue too until I run out and then move on to a more balance Osmocote Outdoor/Inndoor mix that I bought a while back.
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Disappointing news about the Diamond because the growth habit appears to be very compact with strong branching. I just bought a 7gal based on the hardy and symmetrical look of the tree.
(https://s1.postimg.cc/5yapig4q3/IMG_3351.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5yapig4q3/)
Fine looking tree, thanks for sharing.
Some of the recent grafts I did. 9 so far and will try to find a branch for the Zinc and Cushman.
(https://s3.postimg.cc/hnxz4hy3z/Mango_Grafts_July12.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hnxz4hy3z/)
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Two excellent video's thanks for posting Simon.
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Dr Richard Campbell is a bit of an eccentric.
That seems insane that someone with his level of expertise would consider one of the worst-tasting mangos one of his favorites! Just goes to show how everone's taste/opinion is different. Maybe he's eaten so many mangos that only he can appreciate the unique qualities of a garbage mango--"one of his children." We know his love of mangos is boundless. Beautiful tropical paradise where he lives.
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Only one-dimensional if eaten fully ripe.
I like NDM although it's not my favorite and the flavor can be one dimensional. In good years, it does have a slight floral note and it does taste a bit like nectar to me. I used to suck honeysuckle.
Simon
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They make battery powered chain saws that compete with the best gas saws in terms of performance. I have a husqy T536Li X that is a game changer. I love that thing and would never consider going back to hand saw. The no powertool mantra is a little extreme.
Chiseling the holes out with hand tools to boot. Wondering when they will get rid of the jeep in the background as a way of demonstrating the anti-machine/technology statement. lol
And no chain saws! ;D
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I'm still scratching my head on that one. The mango trees on my other lot receive zero nitrogen (and are on N-deficient soil), yet they have nice green leaves -- because keep the pH slightly acid and provide them with micro nutrients. Per my experience, mango trees will generally have green leaves if they are receiving proper P-K-Ca and micro nutrients. They don't need supplemental nitrogen, but they do want other nutrients, esp zinc, iron, etc.
I can't argue with his results, but not every mango tree responds well to a set-it-and-forget-it approach. I've seen many trees decline and die in that environment. Indeed, some will survive but not all.
I like Dr Richard Campbell and always enjoy watching his videos and listening to his lectures, but I consider him to be somewhat of an eccentric and take his info with a grain of salt.
very interesting point about the desired lack of nitrogen and also the desired lighter green leaves and it's positive effects on the brix index.
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They make battery powered chain saws that compete with the best gas saws in terms of performance. I have a husqy T536Li X that is a game changer. I love that thing and would never consider going back to hand saw. The no powertool mantra is a little extreme.
Ditto, electric pole saw by Green Works, rechargeable battery. Keeps me off ladders and does a great job even on tough oaks. Still use my Husquavarna gas chain saw.
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I'm still scratching my head on that one. The mango trees on my other lot receive zero nitrogen (and are on N-deficient soil), yet they have nice green leaves -- because keep the pH slightly acid and provide them with micro nutrients. Per my experience, mango trees will generally have green leaves if they are receiving proper P-K-Ca and micro nutrients. They don't need supplemental nitrogen, but they do want other nutrients, esp zinc, iron, etc.
I can't argue with his results, but not every mango tree responds well to a set-it-and-forget-it approach. I've seen many trees decline and die in that environment. Indeed, some will survive but not all.
Am sold on Keyplex products. Use their (organic) 350DP on just about everything including mangos. They are a Florida company. Contact your rep if interested.
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They make battery powered chain saws that compete with the best gas saws in terms of performance. I have a husqy T536Li X that is a game changer. I love that thing and would never consider going back to hand saw. The no powertool mantra is a little extreme.
Ditto, electric pole saw by Green Works, rechargeable battery. Keeps me off ladders and does a great job even on tough oaks. Still use my Husquavarna gas chain saw.
Gotta stay off those ladders. Lots of cheap bustard pole chain saws at HEARTLAND-AMERICA website some as low a 64$. Get the mail in catalog. Also at Harbor Freight. Lithium battery types and AC connected types. They are all made in China anyway so pick out your intermediary who is selling. It could be HD, Lowes, Nothern Tools, Harbor Freight and so on
My take is that Harbor Freight is forcing its Chinese manufacturers to upgrade to consistency. I bought crap 3/8 drill from them five years ago. I do not think it would be crap if I bought it today
Electric pole chain saws ....A major advance in civilization. They will not be denied.
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Only one-dimensional if eaten fully ripe.
I like NDM although it's not my favorite and the flavor can be one dimensional. In good years, it does have a slight floral note and it does taste a bit like nectar to me. I used to suck honeysuckle.
Simon
My dry year NDM of 2015 were the best as they moved into late season. My take for Simon is that with your dry weather there NDM should generally be a complex flavor mango unlike in Florida. But i still like our honey flavor____non complex NDM___same as our watery avocados.
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Gotta stay off those ladders.
Gotta ask yourself, how much your insurance deductible is, and add in the missed work and pain and suffering. Even the expensive pole chainsaws start looking cheap.
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Only one-dimensional if eaten fully ripe.
I like NDM although it's not my favorite and the flavor can be one dimensional. In good years, it does have a slight floral note and it does taste a bit like nectar to me. I used to suck honeysuckle.
Simon
My dry year NDM of 2015 were the best as they moved into late season. My take for Simon is that with your dry weather there NDM should generally be a complex flavor mango unlike in Florida. But i still like our honey flavor____non complex NDM___same as our watery avocados.
Zands, you are right. I harvested a couple NDM from Leo Manuel's tree and they were superb and sugar bombs. There are much stronger tasting mangos out there but the velvety smooth texture and honey sweet flesh is excellent quality non the less.
Simon
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Gotta stay off those ladders. Lots of cheap bustard pole chain saws at HEARTLAND-AMERICA website some as low a 64$. Get the mail in catalog. Also at Harbor Freight. Lithium battery types and AC connected types. They are all made in China anyway so pick out your intermediary who is selling. It could be HD, Lowes, Nothern Tools, Harbor Freight and so on
My take is that Harbor Freight is forcing its Chinese manufacturers to upgrade to consistency. I bought crap 3/8 drill from them five years ago. I do not think it would be crap if I bought it today
Electric pole chain saws ....A major advance in civilization. They will not be denied.
Yeah, 2 lower lumbar surgeries which included allografts and implants of 3" screws and rods and a bout with prostate cancer and you quickly realize you're not so tough anymore.
Speaking of Harbor Freight, in spite of it being cheap I've had excellent wear on tools from there, oldies too. Am still using a cheap 14 yr. old $12 angle grinder for farm chores. In fact, few days ago propped my tractor's PTO shredder up, crawled on my back and put a knife edge on the two rotary blades with it. Their bench mounted chain saw sharpener is another gem. You can change the angle, load the chain in reverse, etc.
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They make battery powered chain saws that compete with the best gas saws in terms of performance. I have a husqy T536Li X that is a game changer. I love that thing and would never consider going back to hand saw. The no powertool mantra is a little extreme.
Ditto, electric pole saw by Green Works, rechargeable battery. Keeps me off ladders and does a great job even on tough oaks. Still use my Husquavarna gas chain saw.
Gotta stay off those ladders. Lots of cheap bustard pole chain saws at HEARTLAND-AMERICA website some as low a 64$. Get the mail in catalog. Also at Harbor Freight. Lithium battery types and AC connected types. They are all made in China anyway so pick out your intermediary who is selling. It could be HD, Lowes, Nothern Tools, Harbor Freight and so on
My take is that Harbor Freight is forcing its Chinese manufacturers to upgrade to consistency. I bought crap 3/8 drill from them five years ago. I do not think it would be crap if I bought it today
Electric pole chain saws ....A major advance in civilization. They will not be denied.
Electric chain saws are great, and so quiet! Zands didn't you believe everything had to run on fossil fuels to be good? HAHA Electric wood chipper are next! :D
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Gotta stay off those ladders. Lots of cheap bustard pole chain saws at HEARTLAND-AMERICA website some as low a 64$. Get the mail in catalog. Also at Harbor Freight. Lithium battery types and AC connected types. They are all made in China anyway so pick out your intermediary who is selling. It could be HD, Lowes, Nothern Tools, Harbor Freight and so on
My take is that Harbor Freight is forcing its Chinese manufacturers to upgrade to consistency. I bought crap 3/8 drill from them five years ago. I do not think it would be crap if I bought it today
Electric pole chain saws ....A major advance in civilization. They will not be denied.
Yeah, 2 lower lumbar surgeries which included allografts and implants of 3" screws and rods and a bout with prostate cancer and you quickly realize you're not so tough anymore.
Speaking of Harbor Freight, in spite of it being cheap I've had excellent wear on tools from there, oldies too. Am still using a cheap 14 yr. old $12 angle grinder for farm chores. In fact, few days ago propped my tractor's PTO shredder up, crawled on my back and put a knife edge on the two rotary blades with it. Their bench mounted chain saw sharpener is another gem. You can change the angle, load the chain in reverse, etc.
Ive got a 12 amp jack hammer from harbor freight. I have beat the living snot out of that thing and it just keeps on ticking. The neighbors borrow it and beat the crap out of it too. They ran it dry (it takes oil) and it started making noise but kept on working and wuit the sounds after filling the oil. Awesome tool. Got their little concrete maker too, those 2 tools are golden and cheap!
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Electric chain saws are great, and so quiet! Zands didn't you believe everything had to run on fossil fuels to be good? HAHA Electric wood chipper are next! :D
I use a Troy bilt lawnmower w briggs stratton engine but everything else/garden tools is electric such as chain saws, pole saws, edgers. And I was correct about my Hillary health predictions so you gottta pay up out in Waikiki.
If I had $500 to blow it would be on a Honda twin blade lawnmower http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/twin-blade-mower-advantage (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/twin-blade-mower-advantage)
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Electric chain saws are great, and so quiet! Zands didn't you believe everything had to run on fossil fuels to be good? HAHA Electric wood chipper are next! :D
I use a Troy bilt lawnmower w briggs stratton engine but everything else/garden tools is electric such as chain saws, pole saws, edgers. And I was correct about my Hillary health predictions so you gottta pay up out in Waikiki.
If I had $500 to blow it would be on a Honda twin blade lawnmower http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/twin-blade-mower-advantage (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/twin-blade-mower-advantage)
You gotta be kidding? Certainly wasn't her health that kept her from becoming president! But i don't want to incur the wrath of the off topic moderators.
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I like Dr Richard Campbell and always enjoy watching his videos and listening to his lectures, but I consider him to be somewhat of an eccentric and take his info with a grain of salt.
very interesting point about the desired lack of nitrogen and also the desired lighter green leaves and it's positive effects on the brix index.
I concur. He does like to talk and his style, experience and enthusiasm could give the impression it is unilaterally correct when latitude is neccesary. We are all still learning.
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My dry year NDM of 2015 were the best as they moved into late season. My take for Simon is that with your dry weather there NDM should generally be a complex flavor mango unlike in Florida. But i still like our honey flavor____non complex NDM___same as our watery avocados.
Zands, you are right. I harvested a couple NDM from Leo Manuel's tree and they were superb and sugar bombs. There are much stronger tasting mangos out there but the velvety smooth texture and honey sweet flesh is excellent quality non the less.
Simon
Hi Simon
What I was inarticulate in saying was that in 2015 we had dry weather during the months the mangoes were growing. Almost no rain. With these conditions my second half of season of NDM fruits graduated to a complex mango taste. Leaving that honey taste in the dust which I like anyhow. Lots of NDM fans here especially among Jamaican-Americans who come by my place. I am sure it has a reputation in Jamaica by now.
So just thinking that with your dry climate your California NDM should be more on the complex side
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I kinda took it with a grain of salt when I saw the rocks against the tree trunks and the rationale.... 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D2MPoqqzwdY
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Zands, you are correct, they are quite complex when grown here as long as we don't overwater. They are complex in a manner like Maha Chanok and Edward in that the complexity of flavor profiles is very soft or muted but can be detected by those with a sensitive palate. The floral, honey and slight umami( guava or green Thai mango resin) flavors of NDM commingle in a well balanced manner.
To contrast, there is another type of complexity that is sharp, loud and in your face. Lemon Zest has this in your face complexity that is more than just lemony or orangy. The complexity comes the combination of citrus like limonene flavor combined with the turpenes more commonly found in mangos. The slight chalky taste of a firm ripe Lemon Zest adds depth of character and in this state, much of the sugars seem to be locked into the flesh of the Lemin Zest although the juice is syrupy sweet and thick as well.
Simon
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Hey everyone, I was in the videos linked above and really enjoyed Dr Campbell's hospitality and of course mangoes.
Here's my ranking of what we took home: Orange sherbet > ceci love > coconut cream > sunrise > ruby > lemon zest > kryptonite > diamond
I agree. Diamond, while pretty good in my opinion, was not at the same level as the rest of the ones we tried. My wife ended up refusing them with so many other all-stars in the house.
I just got another batch of mangoes from Dr C today and will be hosting a tasting this weekend. Check out "What's Ripening Florida?" on Facebook. Should be fun!
All I can say is don't eat an OS before you eat any standard mango. It's just not fair... :)
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Hey everyone, I was in the videos linked above and really enjoyed Dr Campbell's hospitality and of course mangoes.
Here's my ranking of what we took home: Orange sherbet > ceci love > coconut cream > sunrise > ruby > lemon zest > kryptonite > diamond
I agree. Diamond, while pretty good in my opinion, was not at the same level as the rest of the ones we tried. My wife ended up refusing them with so many other all-stars in the house.
I just got another batch of mangoes from Dr C today and will be hosting a tasting this weekend. Check out "What's Ripening Florida?" on Facebook. Should be fun!
All I can say is don't eat an OS before you eat any standard mango. It's just not fair... :)
Hey Matt, thanks for the report! Can you give any details about Kryptonite? I recall reading about it last year or the year before and someone had it on their top ten list. Did it have that typical tropical mango flavor or was their some specific noticeable flavor component.
How would you compare Orange Sherbet and Lemon Zest.
Simon
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I don't remember a distinct flavor in the Kryptonite though it could be from mango overload. I just remember it was very good, no fiber, etc.
I preferred the Orange Sherbet over the Lemon Zest this time but my memory of LZ from Pine Island last year trumps them both. I think the heavy rains may have washed LZ out a bit more. Pete (from the video) got more LZ this weekend from Dr C and reported to me that they were way better this time...
I will be sampling both again in a few days.
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Nice videos Matt, thanks!
You folks now have me scared about my watering drills. Heat is ramping up in the greenhouse to highs of 98F daily so I've been compensating with increased watering. Watered the Sweet Tart and Lemon Zest yesterday for example and expect to start harvesting (for the first time) fruit from both in about 2 weeks.
Where's my happy medium here between tree health and fruit complexity regarding watering? Are mangos drought tolerant? I wouldn't know as my trees are not subject to Mother Nature's dry spells.
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I'm curious to hear your results Mark in Texas. Mangoes don't all seem to wash out, but definitely had a few disappointments this year. I'm not sure if the over watering is more detrimental right before harvest or during other stages of development. Maybe start a new thread with your results, especially if you have previous experience with those varieties to compare with. I love sweet tart too!
I've seen great jackfruit turn almost inedible with heavy rains...
UPDATE: just tried an OS and a LZ side by side from Dr Campbell (latest batch) and LZ wins it for me(barely). They definitely tasted a little different to me. I love that "lemony orange crush soda" flavor if the LZ. Could be differing ripeness stages. I enjoy PPK and LZ a little under ripe. The OS may have been a little past prime if it ripens the same way.
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My mangoes never get watered, just heavy mulch and even young trees made it through this past drought with no issues.
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I'm curious to hear your results Mark in Texas. Mangoes don't all seem to wash out, but definitely had a few disappointments this year. I'm not sure if the over watering is more detrimental right before harvest or during other stages of development. Maybe start a new thread with your results, especially if you have previous experience with those varieties to compare with. I love sweet tart too!
I've seen great jackfruit turn almost inedible with heavy rains...
UPDATE: just tried an OS and a LZ side by side from Dr Campbell (latest batch) and LZ wins it for me(barely). They definitely tasted a little different to me. I love that "lemony orange crush soda" flavor if the LZ. Could be differing ripeness stages. I enjoy PPK and LZ a little under ripe. The OS may have been a little past prime if it ripens the same way.
I don't think you can match with hand watering, what mother nature gave us about a month ago. 2 weeks of solid rain, every day, all day. I don't think you need to worry about creating the washed out flavor in the mangoes even with some aggressive manual watering. We just can't match that complete deluge that we received. I am a little more in the central Florida area and our season is a lot later than the season in South Florida, so my mangoes had lots of time to acclimate back to normal conditions. So the mangoes that I am harvesting now show no signs of the washed out taste experienced by others several weeks ago.
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Rainfall has a big impact on quality of fruit. But other factors are involved: like soil type, soil drainage, how spread out the rain is over the year, how accustomed plants are to rain.
If lots of rain ruined quality of jackfruit then we would never have good jackfruits, and they are excellent here. Ditto for mango. A bigger associated problem for the mango with the rain is anthracnose. Much bigger problem here than washed out tasting fruit. Lately we are also getting a fungus that grows on exterior of the jackfruits and splits the fruits. I'm sure the heavy rainfall helps to cultivate that fungal disease.
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Texas has its own challenges, so does Florida. You folks have certainly had your share of rain!
Since I try to mimic the plant material's natural environment perhaps the question should be what kind of weather is atypical during the fruiting stage up to harvest in indigenous places like India, Caribbean, Mexico, Hawaii. I remember seeing a lot of huge wild trees on the wet side of the islands, not many on the dry side.
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Mark, in India Monsoon doesn't hit until early June in South, by this this time mango season is over, and it hits north late June to mid July and by this time North mango season is over. In other words, from bloom to harvest Indian mangoes in most part do not get rain which makes the flavor exceptional.
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In other words, from bloom to harvest Indian mangoes in most part do not get rain which makes the flavor exceptional.
Thanks Behl. Be interesting to not water and see. I know if you apply a lot of water to other fruiting trees like peach, grapes or even citrus it does tend to water the flavor down.
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I generally prefer LZ to OS too, but the difference isn't much. LZ seem to be a bit more "chalky," which I like. They also have what I discern to be more of a smooth orangey flavor, where the OS seems to be a bit more of a harsh lemony (not sure how to fully describe). OS does seem to be prone to softer flesh / internal breakdown.
UPDATE: just tried an OS and a LZ side by side from Dr Campbell (latest batch) and LZ wins it for me(barely). They definitely tasted a little different to me. I love that "lemony orange crush soda" flavor if the LZ. Could be differing ripeness stages. I enjoy PPK and LZ a little under ripe. The OS may have been a little past prime if it ripens the same way.
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I generally prefer LZ to OS too, but the difference isn't much. LZ seem to be a bit more "chalky," which I like. They also have what I discern to be more of a smooth orangey flavor, where the OS seems to be a bit more of a harsh lemony (not sure how to fully describe). OS does seem to be prone to softer flesh / internal breakdown.
UPDATE: just tried an OS and a LZ side by side from Dr Campbell (latest batch) and LZ wins it for me(barely). They definitely tasted a little different to me. I love that "lemony orange crush soda" flavor if the LZ. Could be differing ripeness stages. I enjoy PPK and LZ a little under ripe. The OS may have been a little past prime if it ripens the same way.
For those who eat their fruit at a ripe stage, the LZ will not have the chalkiness and the OS will have more if a distinct orange flavor, almost a creamy orange crush soda flavor. I do agree that OS has a softer flesh and get be susceptible to some internal breakdown.
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Well, am super excited that all of the 7 grafts I did recently are pushing like this Cotton Candy. Have a couple more to do in the morn, probably Cushman and Zinc. Some started pushing as early as only 8 days after grafting.
(https://s13.postimg.cc/idbatmusz/Mango_Grafts_July23_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/idbatmusz/)
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Well, am super excited that all of the 7 grafts I did recently are pushing like this Cotton Candy. Have a couple more to do in the morn, probably Cushman and Zinc. Some started pushing as early as only 8 days after grafting.
(https://s13.postimg.cc/idbatmusz/Mango_Grafts_July23_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/idbatmusz/)
While it doesnt nean failure but pushing in less than 2 weeks does not mean it took (as I am sure you know). That early push is most likely due to the energy that was already in the budwood/bud itself.
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While it doesnt nean failure but pushing in less than 2 weeks does not mean it took (as I am sure you know). That early push is most likely due to the energy that was already in the budwood/bud itself.
Yep, I understand. Pretty confident I got a good cambium match though. Won't count my eggs for another 2 weeks.
Crazy as I grafted (mainly T-bud) 3 citrus varieties to a robust key lime tree about 2 months ago at about 4' above ground. Those damn shoots are already 9' above ground with shoots approaching 1/2" girth at the graft.
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It's also a factor of the time of year. I note some callous development on the cut at the bottom of the graft, and the push looks pretty healthy. I think she's a take.
Well, am super excited that all of the 7 grafts I did recently are pushing like this Cotton Candy. Have a couple more to do in the morn, probably Cushman and Zinc. Some started pushing as early as only 8 days after grafting.
(https://s13.postimg.cc/idbatmusz/Mango_Grafts_July23_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/idbatmusz/)
While it doesnt nean failure but pushing in less than 2 weeks does not mean it took (as I am sure you know). That early push is most likely due to the energy that was already in the budwood/bud itself.
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It's also a factor of the time of year. I note some callous development on the cut at the bottom of the graft, and the push looks pretty healthy. I think she's a take.
I must be holding my mouth right. :D They're all pushing and the first grafts to push now have leafsets that are 3" wide.
Been using Buddy Tape and THE grafting secret tool - a Schick Injector blade held by a #3 medium Excel knife. Also sanitize my hands and tools and keep the scions in an ice chest by my side as I work. Did Zinc and Cushman yesterday and have been applying clothespins over the buddy tape wrap to give better cambium contact. Twisting the buddy tape into a rope gives good pressure full length too.
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Nice graft's Mark, your becoming quite the expert! Congrat's on your successful graft's! Schick blade is the best tip Carlos past on to us all ;)
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Nice graft's Mark, your becoming quite the expert! Congrat's on your successful graft's! Schick blade is the best tip Carlos past on to us all ;)
Thanks Scott. I think I can speak for all successful grafters who start with this little tree and reap the benefits years later - makes a pappy proud.
Now, next to Carlos' goodie, I have to say the next best tool for farm, ranch, orchard, and home is a WorkSharp.
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I appreciate the video links, I find it very interesting what Campbell is attempting to do. I do see a few discrepancies in his comments, maybe I heard him wrong, he mentions that trees are planted at about 10 ft apart. and in one part of the video says he will increase the amount of trees per half acre, later he says he might have to pull some out.
It will be interesting to see if he is able to keep plants dwarfed solely by pushing production. having so many trees so close together, with little circulation seems like an invitation for fungal problems down the line.
In regard to Dr Campbell's strategy keeping them dwarf does work--Over ten years ago I planted a 3 gal Hatcher and the combination of letting it fruit early and minimal fertilizer(+ neglect) has stunted/dwarfed the tree.
(https://s21.postimg.cc/wdicpa41v/20170722_191409.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/wdicpa41v/)
I have already had six mangos off the tree and it still is loaded as usual. generally, get one or two flushes after harvest.
I have a similar aged Doni avocado ten feet away that did suffer some die-back from letting it hold too much fruit.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/kductytp9/20170722_191541.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kductytp9/)
I won't be needing power saws on these trees for quite a while.
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This document details some offerings
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gwSTI7yN9in4yCaIz0fjAs0T6QrlvfilYCmdn9QcfgQ/mobilebasic
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Very nice. The prices are very reasonable too.
This document details some offerings
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gwSTI7yN9in4yCaIz0fjAs0T6QrlvfilYCmdn9QcfgQ/mobilebasic
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Took this shot during my Before the Sun Rises walk. Am a proud papa!!!!!
Anyone have a thought whether the dwarfing/compact nature of the Mallika "interspecific" rootstock will impact the size of these Zill varieties?
(https://s2.postimg.cc/781w4hxjp/Mango_Grafts_July29_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/781w4hxjp/)
(https://s12.postimg.cc/dn3rkhuo9/Mango_Grafts_July29.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/dn3rkhuo9/)
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I have a similar aged Doni avocado ten feet away that did suffer some die-back from letting it hold too much fruit.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/kductytp9/20170722_191541.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kductytp9/)
I won't be needing power saws on these trees for quite a while.
Fruit load will definately affect tree vigor. It can be used as a management tool though. I almost killed Mouvedre grapevines by letting them hold grapes the second leaf. In spite of their fully developed mature cordons the crop load severely stunted the vines. Needless to say I dropped all the grapes. When you see that affect doesn't matter how big or far along the fruit is - drop them!
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The tree died back in 2015
Here are pictures of the tree holding fruit before dieback.
(https://s11.postimg.cc/7bkot8jwv/20150520_160313_18.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7bkot8jwv/)
(https://s3.postimg.cc/n51wopg4v/20150520_160330_16.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/n51wopg4v/)
The tree’s upper canopy didn’t recover and died back after harvest. For the first time, the tree skipped a season-2016. I might take some off early this year.
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From Thiago Campbell:
"Late Julie has a sweet lemony flavor with overtones of citrus. It is fiberless and a Julie seedling.
Fair One is a sweet Southeast Asian flavor, somewhere between a Thai and a Vietnamese mango. It is a cross between Edward and Carabao."
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From Thiago Campbell:
"Late Julie has a sweet lemony flavor with overtones of citrus. It is fiberless and a Julie seedling.
Fair One is a sweet Southeast Asian flavor, somewhere between a Thai and a Vietnamese mango. It is a cross between Edward and Carabao."
"Fair One" is a mango that already has a name : Wester. It is Edward x Earle #15 from David Sturrock's breeding program.
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Ouch
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Thanks for sharing. :)
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From Thiago Campbell:
"Late Julie has a sweet lemony flavor with overtones of citrus. It is fiberless and a Julie seedling.
Fair One is a sweet Southeast Asian flavor, somewhere between a Thai and a Vietnamese mango. It is a cross between Edward and Carabao."
"Fair One" is a mango that already has a name : Wester. It is Edward x Earle #15 from David Sturrock's breeding program.
Relooked and they list Wester separately in the same sales email.
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Shot taken about a month ago, second leaf flush on the cocktail tree. Man, the internodes on some like Cotton Candy and Pineapple Pleasure are really long, like 12".
We finished our last Lemon Zest 2 weeks ago and I cut the last of the Sweet Tart last night. I assume we're about 3 - 5 mos. behind Florida's season.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/v3780nllh/Cocktail_Mango_Sept13.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/v3780nllh/)
Seed is on the left of this LZ. Noticed it's quite a bit smaller than a ST seed.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/nohw89zpx/Lemon_Zest_Fruit_Sept22.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/nohw89zpx/)
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I noticed that as well with the Cotton Candy. For a cultivar that is supposed to be dwarf/semi-dwarf the internodes are long. I wonder if it will turn out to be vigorous as grafted trees.
Shot taken about a month ago, second leaf flush on the cocktail tree. Man, the internodes on some like Cotton Candy and Pineapple Pleasure are really long, like 12".
We finished our last Lemon Zest 2 weeks ago and I cut the last of the Sweet Tart last night. I assume we're about 3 - 5 mos. behind Florida's season.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/v3780nllh/Cocktail_Mango_Sept13.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/v3780nllh/)
Seed is on the left of this LZ. Noticed it's quite a bit smaller than a ST seed.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/nohw89zpx/Lemon_Zest_Fruit_Sept22.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/nohw89zpx/)
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Looks like you might have a little bit of soft-nose on that LZ. You might want to give it more calcium.
Shot taken about a month ago, second leaf flush on the cocktail tree. Man, the internodes on some like Cotton Candy and Pineapple Pleasure are really long, like 12".
We finished our last Lemon Zest 2 weeks ago and I cut the last of the Sweet Tart last night. I assume we're about 3 - 5 mos. behind Florida's season.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/v3780nllh/Cocktail_Mango_Sept13.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/v3780nllh/)
Seed is on the left of this LZ. Noticed it's quite a bit smaller than a ST seed.
(https://s26.postimg.cc/nohw89zpx/Lemon_Zest_Fruit_Sept22.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/nohw89zpx/)
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Looks like you might have a little bit of soft-nose on that LZ. You might want to give it more calcium.
Thanks for the advice. About 2 mos. ago I top dressed the pots with gypsum fines I shoveled into a bucket from a gypsum mine quarry. I think the jelly nose you smartly picked up on may be from storing in the fridge for about 2 weeks. All the other fresh mangos were fine. I'll add more though.
Courtesy of Georgia Pacific. ;)
(https://s25.postimg.cc/m6ekcyal7/gypsum.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m6ekcyal7/)
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I noticed that as well with the Cotton Candy. For a cultivar that is supposed to be dwarf/semi-dwarf the internodes are long. I wonder if it will turn out to be vigorous as grafted trees.
It is what it is. I have treated the leggy Lemon Zest with Bonzai, a PGR, and really knocked down the internode lengths. Will do the same for whatever needs that kind of treatment plus pruning. Don't know why Bonzai is not used or labeled here in the states for consumables. It's applied at high tech, specialty greenhouse grown avocados and been used in Indian mango orchards for decades. PPM mixed is miniscule, like 2%.
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"Diamond" is hot garbage. It was originally HW-14, then Richard named it "Fairchild Diamond". The name was then changed to Diamond. It's one of the worst mangos I've ever eaten and tastes like a vegetable.
Cecilove is 34-24, a Carrie seedling from the Zill project.
Richard used Piva quite a bit at Fairchild Farm and it did dwarf some trees.
So on my recent trip to Dr. C, he showcased 3 dwarfing rootstocks, including a Piva. Another was a Costa Rican variety. The 3rd might have been Israeli. He stated the trouble with dwarf rootstock is it takes so long to grow (makes sense). My challenge is even greater - growing it to bearing age to get more rootstock...
Anyone using Piva other dwarfing rootstocks?
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Personal communications indicate that dwarfing root-stocks found so far, dwarf some varieties well, and others not at all. Sounds as though nurseries could end up with a complicated mess of different seedling batches.
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Personal communications indicate that dwarfing root-stocks found so far, dwarf some varieties well, and others not at all. Sounds as though nurseries could end up with a complicated mess of different seedling batches.
Is it know which varieties that piva rootstock will dwarf? Truely Tropical has a beautiful Phoenix on a dwarf rootstock that looks to be about 6 foot tall and maybe 6 feet wide from what i can guess from youtube. She stated it is about ten years old and she received as a gift.
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https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=1Tf0Zg4P0Z0&start=234&end=298 (https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=1Tf0Zg4P0Z0&start=234&end=298)
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Personal communications indicate that dwarfing root-stocks found so far, dwarf some varieties well, and others not at all. Sounds as though nurseries could end up with a complicated mess of different seedling batches.
Is it know which varieties that piva rootstock will dwarf? Truely Tropical has a beautiful Phoenix on a dwarf rootstock that looks to be about 6 foot tall and maybe 6 feet wide from what i can guess from youtube. She stated it is about ten years old and she received as a gift.
Two years old, not 10. I have always thought my Phoenix was grafted on a dwarfing rootstock. Mine was purchased and planted in the summer of 2017 as a 3 gallon about 2 feet tall is very similar in growth and height. It survived the wrath of hurricane Irma as a very small tree only a few months in the ground.
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Personal communications indicate that dwarfing root-stocks found so far, dwarf some varieties well, and others not at all. Sounds as though nurseries could end up with a complicated mess of different seedling batches.
Is it know which varieties that piva rootstock will dwarf? Truely Tropical has a beautiful Phoenix on a dwarf rootstock that looks to be about 6 foot tall and maybe 6 feet wide from what i can guess from youtube. She stated it is about ten years old and she received as a gift.
Two years old, not 10. I have always thought my Phoenix was grafted on a dwarfing rootstock. Mine was purchased and planted in the summer of 2017 as a 3 gallon about 2 feet tall is very similar in growth and height. It survived the wrath of hurricane Irma as a very small tree only a few months in the ground.
Was she somewhat precocious? Has she been generous with giving fruit?
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I have never heard of Piva root-stock.
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Personal communications indicate that dwarfing root-stocks found so far, dwarf some varieties well, and others not at all. Sounds as though nurseries could end up with a complicated mess of different seedling batches.
Is it know which varieties that piva rootstock will dwarf? Truely Tropical has a beautiful Phoenix on a dwarf rootstock that looks to be about 6 foot tall and maybe 6 feet wide from what i can guess from youtube. She stated it is about ten years old and she received as a gift.
Two years old, not 10. I have always thought my Phoenix was grafted on a dwarfing rootstock. Mine was purchased and planted in the summer of 2017 as a 3 gallon about 2 feet tall is very similar in growth and height. It survived the wrath of hurricane Irma as a very small tree only a few months in the ground.
Was she somewhat precocious? Has she been generous with giving fruit?
Last year, my tree flowered profusely and set fruit but I pulled all fruit. This year, flowering was sparse (was sparse on most of my trees), and set a few fruit which I unwantingly fed to the squirrels. I will post a picture of the tree
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Piva is said to be a fruit from South Africa.
https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/product-page/piva (https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/product-page/piva)
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I have never heard of Piva root-stock.
I saw it last summer at Dr Campbell ‘s. Alex grows the tree and has fruit. The challenge with Piva is it grows slowly, so getting a decent size rootstock takes longer than normal. I’m told Gary Zill may have found rootstock’s holy grail: a vigorously rootstock that still dwarfs what’s worked onto it.
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Personal communications indicate that dwarfing root-stocks found so far, dwarf some varieties well, and others not at all. Sounds as though nurseries could end up with a complicated mess of different seedling batches.
Is it know which varieties that piva rootstock will dwarf? Truely Tropical has a beautiful Phoenix on a dwarf rootstock that looks to be about 6 foot tall and maybe 6 feet wide from what i can guess from youtube. She stated it is about ten years old and she received as a gift.
Two years old, not 10. I have always thought my Phoenix was grafted on a dwarfing rootstock. Mine was purchased and planted in the summer of 2017 as a 3 gallon about 2 feet tall is very similar in growth and height. It survived the wrath of hurricane Irma as a very small tree only a few months in the ground.
Was she somewhat precocious? Has she been generous with giving fruit?
Last year, my tree flowered profusely and set fruit but I pulled all fruit. This year, flowering was sparse (was sparse on most of my trees), and set a few fruit which I unwantingly fed to the squirrels. I will post a picture of the tree
Please do i would enjoy seeing that photo :) I had one Phoenix this year and i am all in on this variety. I have budwood coming from Delray Beach and have ordered one Phoenix to be graft on piva root stock(WPB).Because of limited space i hope it turns out to be like Truely Tropicals
https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=1Tf0Zg4P0Z0&start=234&end=298 (https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=1Tf0Zg4P0Z0&start=234&end=298)
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Pineislander, thank you for the Piva info.
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I ran across this review of information about mango rootstocks worldwide, in .pdf file format.
https://www.mango.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Mango_rootstock_Final_Report_Eng.pdf (https://www.mango.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Mango_rootstock_Final_Report_Eng.pdf)
The mango Board which published the above also has a page with many research papers, most are post harvest, nutrition value and consumer which may be of interest.
https://www.mango.org/research/ (https://www.mango.org/research/)
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I ran across this review of information about mango rootstocks worldwide, in .pdf file format.
https://www.mango.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Mango_rootstock_Final_Report_Eng.pdf (https://www.mango.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Mango_rootstock_Final_Report_Eng.pdf)
The mango Board which published the above also has a page with many research papers, most are post harvest, nutrition value and consumer which may be of interest.
https://www.mango.org/research/ (https://www.mango.org/research/)
The use of the rootstock ‘Piva’ as interstock has proven very efficient in different
countries to reduce tree size (S. Oosthuye. 2016- Hort Reeaarch. South Africa Personal
communication) and this has been also proven with several cultivars in Florida (N. Ledesma.2016
Fairchild Tropical Garden. Florida. Personal communication).
https://www.mango.org/blog-womens-history-month-spotlight/ (https://www.mango.org/blog-womens-history-month-spotlight/)
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Personal communications indicate that dwarfing root-stocks found so far, dwarf some varieties well, and others not at all. Sounds as though nurseries could end up with a complicated mess of different seedling batches.
Is it know which varieties that piva rootstock will dwarf? Truely Tropical has a beautiful Phoenix on a dwarf rootstock that looks to be about 6 foot tall and maybe 6 feet wide from what i can guess from youtube. She stated it is about ten years old and she received as a gift.
Two years old, not 10. I have always thought my Phoenix was grafted on a dwarfing rootstock. Mine was purchased and planted in the summer of 2017 as a 3 gallon about 2 feet tall is very similar in growth and height. It survived the wrath of hurricane Irma as a very small tree only a few months in the ground.
Was she somewhat precocious? Has she been generous with giving fruit?
Last year, my tree flowered profusely and set fruit but I pulled all fruit. This year, flowering was sparse (was sparse on most of my trees), and set a few fruit which I unwantingly fed to the squirrels. I will post a picture of the tree
Please do i would enjoy seeing that photo :) I had one Phoenix this year and i am all in on this variety. I have budwood coming from Delray Beach and have ordered one Phoenix to be graft on piva root stock(WPB).Because of limited space i hope it turns out to be like Truely Tropicals
https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=1Tf0Zg4P0Z0&start=234&end=298 (https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=1Tf0Zg4P0Z0&start=234&end=298)
Here are pictures from both sides. Its about 6' x 6'. Again, planted in Summer of 2017 as a 3 gal purchased at ZHPP.
(https://i.postimg.cc/p5PdgyPS/20200713-184431.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p5PdgyPS)
(https://i.postimg.cc/G8wJV09f/20200713-184459.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G8wJV09f)
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Beautiful!
...now wish I had kept those Piva seeds
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Beautiful!
...now wish I had kept those Piva seeds
I dont know what rootstock it is on but it us considerably more dwarfed/compact compared to any of my other trees that were planted as 3 gal at the same time.
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Beautiful!
...now wish I had kept those Piva seeds
I dont know what rootstock it is on but it us considerably more dwarfed/compact compared to any of my other trees that were planted as 3 gal at the same time.
That is a thing of beauty!!! What would you guesstimate its height and width would have been if it was grafted on turpin rootstock?
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I'm not talking. But all I got to say. Is I planted an Orange Sherbet last November and it is doing great.
And I planted this after a poster here said Richard Campbell planted 30 of Orange Sherbet, he had such confidence in them. What is good enough for Richard Campbell is good enough for me.