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Does anyone have an updated list of current mango varieties produced/sold by PIN?
There appears to be at least one or more mango varieties that are or will be available for sale that are not in the published PIN mango viewer list.
1) PIN's mango viewer shows 39 mango varieties in pictures, but their list on the right of the mango viewer identifies only 38.  Pim Saen Meun was left accidentally off the right side listing.
2) I recall that Bendersgrove said Galaxy (Keitt cross) is a new mango variety that will be for sale in the Spring 2014.
3) Yesterday, I was made aware by Champa Nursery (El Monte, CA) that Coconut Cream (Edwards crossed with Gary) is available for purchase from PIN, but I did not see this on their website.
Just wondering if there are any more unlisted PIN varieties that we can ask SoCal nurseries to purchase in the Spring.

Thanks.

Warren

Just visited Champa Nursery in El Monte, CA.
This was a nice little place.
The owner Jimmy was very friendly.  We had a great conversation on the varieties of mangos he had...I was the only customer there on a Friday morning.
Mango tree prices were:
$75 for 3 gallon.  In stock were Alphonso, Glenn, VP, Kent, Manila, Okrung, Mallika, Carrie, Lancetilla. They were out of NDM & Po Pyu Kalay.
$170 ($245-30%) for 15 gallon (Glenn, Kent, VP).  There was a 30% January discount for the larger mango trees.
They had 7 gallon Keitt and Carrie mango trees, but I forgot how much they were after the 30% January discount.

So today, Champa had the same typical varieties as the other LA places, except for Okrung.
I was really looking for a 3 gal Po Pyu Kalay, but since they were out of stock of PPK, I bought a 3 gallon Okrung and was able to get it for a reduced price of $60 out the door (that was the November sale price).

Jimmy showed me his PIN spring (May) order list which included some varieties I have not seen for sale in the greater Los Angeles/Orange County area:
Coconut Cream   (not listed on PIN mango viewer)
Alampur Baneshan
Pickering

Warren

I got a chance to visit GreenMart Nursery (Orange, CA) and Emily Garden (formerly Scala Nursery- Santa Ana, CA) to check out the winter mango tree stock.

GreenMart had:
1) Nice 3 gallon PIN nursery varieties Alphonso, Carrie, Valencia Pride, and Mallika list for $69.  I have not seen 3 gal Mallikas in stock at any other location right now in the Eastern Los Angeles/Orange County area.
2) 5 gallon LaVerne Nursery varieties Kent, Keitt, Nam Doc Mai, Haden.....they looked somewhat sickly.
3)  GreenMart did not have any large mango trees.

The owner (Tasen) is a nice guy and said that he would look into ordering different mango varieties from PIN in late winter/early spring (March/April).  So I turned in my wish list for Bailey's Marvel, Bombay, ChocAnon, Cogshall, Edward, Fairchild, Florigon, Okrung, Pickering, and Po Pyu Kalay. 


Emily Garden had:
1) almost the same varieties (Lancetilla, Carrie, Glen, Kent, Alphonso) and the same list prices of 7 gallon ($180) and 20 gallon varieties ($325-$450) that Mimosa LA had.  And yes, all of their trees are Mimosa LA's old stock.  However, I did not see any posted discount/sale signs here for mango trees.
2) Of notable interest, Emily had 7 gallon Keow Savoy mango trees ($180) that I have not seen elsewhere in stock in Eastern Los Angeles/Orange County area.
3) Emily had no 3 gallon PIN mango varieties today.

Warren

I do have one bit of news to break to you.  I looked closely at the leaves and stem and your mango is a she, not a he.

Harry...you are too funny!



Warren

Bill,

I've seen your name in pictures at JF's mango tasting event.
Look forward to meeting you someday at a SoCal mango event.  I live fairly close to you.

Warren

nch,

In the absence of wind, yes, it can be colder towards the ground where your plants are.
You definitely know it is colder on the ground when you also see frost on the grass.

My father explained to me that roof surface temperatures are often colder than the meteorologist's "surface temperature" taken at a height of 6.6 ft.

Warren

nch,

Although my Dad is a meteorologist, I found this explanantion (see below) easier to understand.
From the Weather Doctor website:
http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/whys/frost.htm

Warren

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Can Frost Form When Temperature Is Above Freezing?

Question: Is it possible for frost to form when the ambient temperature is above 0° C (32 °F).? If so, please explain how this happens.

Answer: Yes and no: It depends on how you define "ambient temperature", and, of course whether the temperature is below the frost point.

You see, when temperatures are officially recorded for hourly weather observations and climate reports, they are measured at a height of between 1.25 and 2 metres (4.1 and 6.6 ft) above the ground in special shelters, called Stevenson screens. (The shelter is named after the father of writer and poet Robert Louis Stevenson.) Meteorologists call this temperature the "surface temperature," and it is what is reported on the radio and TV (and internet and newspapers, reports, etc.).

The distinction is important for the following reason.

During clear and calm nights, the temperature at the ground or some surface near the ground can become much cooler than the "surface temperature". The radiation of heat away from the ground is the cause of this drop. The coldest air, therefore, forms near the ground, and being heavier than the air above it remains there.

If we were to make measurements of temperature from the surface to the height of the official "surface temperature" measurement every few centimetres or inches, we would find the air temperature increases as we move upward from the ground. Meteorologists call this a surface temperature inversion.

Since cold air is heavy air, in the absence of wind, the coldest air will remain nearest the ground, thus allowing surface temperatures to continue to fall. Thus, under such conditions -- clear and calm nights -- the ground temperature may fall below the freezing point while the temperature measured officially at was still above freezing. This is particularly common in the autumn and winter when nights are long allowing more time for cooling to occur.

Now frost is a covering of ice crystals on the surface produced by the depositing of water vapor to a surface cooler than 0° C (32° F). The deposition occurs when the temperature of the surface falls below the frost point. Similarly, dew forms when the air or surface temperature falls below the dew point temperature. (Note that the water vapor goes directly from gas to ice. Therefore, frost is not frozen dew.)

Thus, if the temperature on the ground or an object such as a bush or a car windshield near the ground falls below the frost point, frost crystals may form. But the measured "surface temperature" may still be above freezing.

This is the most common way in which frost may form when the official surface temperature is still above the freezing point.

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Good luck Ed!
I myself have recently grafted a Julie, Ewais, and Carrie onto my Haden seedling cocktail tree that already has Alphonso, VP, and Glen.  The tree still has room (branches) for 2 more grafts at a later time!
Crossing my fingers too for these new grafts...but we have to get through this weird winter, but the warmer than usual weather seems to be helpful.

Warren

Floridians really have it lucky when it comes to mango tree varieties. 
In the Los Angeles CA area, Mimosa LA is probably the largest retailer of mango trees from Florida.  But the selection is very limited these days and the prices are high (relative to Florida) due to shipping and CA phyto certs.  Mimosa LA either grafts mango trees onto manila rootstock themselves or buys mango trees from PIN grafted on turpentine rootstock.

There was not much of a great 50% off sale for the last 2 years at Mimosa LA, even with the mango trees repotted up to larger size pots.  However, there are still trees that are 50% off, but were mainly the ones in poorer condition (I saw Carrie, NDM, Elephant (Lancetilla)).



Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of nice looking mango trees at Mimosa LA, but Angelinos have to pay the CA price. 
Small trees grafted by Mimosa onto Manila rootstock were tagged $85 (Pim Saen Mun, VP, NDM, Alphonso). 

I don’t know what Mimosa will actually sell these for today.  [In the past, a tagged $90 tree had a 11% discount with a final price of $80]


7 gallon mango trees were tagged $180, but are selling for ~30% off (Final price $125).  The limited varieties I saw were Carrie, NDM, VP, Elephant (Lancetilla), and Alphonso.  There were a few that seem to be unlabeled, but I didn’t check for labels on the pot itself.



15 gallon trees were tagged at a whopping $290 (with ~30% off = $200 final price).  The only variety I saw was Carrie.
20 gallon trees were tagged at $350 (with ~30% off = $245 final price).  The limited varieties I saw were Glen, Po Pyu Kalay, and Alphonso.




5 gallon repotted mango trees were in quarantine and will probably be sold in Spring.  They had dozens of Kent, Alphonso, and VP trees.  There were also two 7 gallon quarantined Mallika’s.



In the past, Mimosa LA has also sold Florigon, Edwards, Keitt, Haden, and Gold Nugget.
I wish Mimosa LA would buy additional varieties from PIN like Bailey’s Marvel, Bombay, Brahm Kai Meu, Choc Anon, Cogshall, Cushman, Fairchild, Graham, Ice Cream, Jakarta, Okrung, Pickering, Springfels, Tebow (Young), and Zill to name a few.  Better yet, I wish Mimosa LA would buy additional varieties that are exclusively sold at Excalibur, Zills, POG, or TT.  But that’s probably all just wishful thinking.
For now, to get these other varieties, Angelinos have to order them ourselves from Florida (PIN, TT, POG) with higher shipping costs...shipping prices have skyrocketed within the last 2 years!
Although there are mango varieties propagated by Laverne Nursery in CA (Manila, Haden, Timotayo, Gold Nugget, Kent, Keitt, NDM, Villasenor, Thompson, Tommy, VP) the CA propagation selection comes nowhere near what is offered in Florida.

Warren

JF,

Wow!  That is one giant blooming Edwards!  I was wondering about that picture of the mango tree in Ashok's cherimoya tasting event thread.....I guess it all makes sense now after you stated that Ashok and Eunice are neighbors.
Thanks.

Warren

JF,

I decided to check out 3 local mature SoCal mango trees in the Cerritos/Norwalk area.
None of these large mango trees was in bloom like the ones you showed in La Habra. 
Hmmmm?

Warren

Near 605 Fwy and Del Amo Blvd.   I think there are still a few fruits on this one.  There appear to be many old panicles left on from the fall fruiting season.



Near 605 Fwy south of Alondra Blvd



Near 605 Fwy north of Alondra Blvd

JF,
Thank you for the update.  I'm also looking forward to meeting you and the other CRFG members too.  This will be my first CRFG event!
Warren