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Title: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Pandan on January 20, 2021, 11:46:48 PM
Does anyone have any fortunella hindsii plants or seeds for sale?

Or know of a good source to get them affordably?

I've heard it has the shortest juvenile period for a citrus species (essentially unedible due to size/seeds though)
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Millet on January 21, 2021, 11:39:00 AM
I had a Hong Kong kumquat tree that I grew from seed, and the tree did produce fruit the first year.  Definitely not eatable.  I got tired of taking care of it and tossed it.  This was 10 years ago, and I no longer remember where I got the seed.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Laaz on January 21, 2021, 02:55:26 PM
Probably Ned. I had one too, pretty much useless.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Pandan on January 21, 2021, 09:36:35 PM
Probably Ned. I had one too, pretty much useless.

Who is Ned?

They're used ornamentally in bonsai (despite being slow growers)
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: brian on January 23, 2021, 06:59:17 PM
I want one too, just to complete my kumquat collection.  I had two but they keep dying for reasons that weren't clear to me.

There's a local place that sells them occasionally, but seeds are probably the way to go for these.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Laaz on January 24, 2021, 09:18:59 AM
Ned Rahn, but he closed his nursery.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Pandan on January 25, 2021, 12:40:37 AM
I want one too, just to complete my kumquat collection.  I had two but they keep dying for reasons that weren't clear to me.

There's a local place that sells them occasionally, but seeds are probably the way to go for these.
I saw live plants being sold on ebay for 24 dollars. I didn't pick one up (think they're sold out now) as I'll probably use that bit of cash on seeds soon.

Ned Rahn, but he closed his nursery.
What a shame, the search continues.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: brian on January 25, 2021, 04:34:48 PM
franklazar has one.  We can all beg him for seeds once his fruits.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Pandan on January 25, 2021, 09:34:35 PM
franklazar has one.  We can all beg him for seeds once his fruits.
I think (?) I've seen that name before. I'm still relatively new here so still learning names haha.

I'd gladly shoot him a message if he's open to it. If I see any seeds I may update this thread too.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on March 08, 2021, 11:29:07 AM
Sorry it’s been a while since I’ve been online lol, I’m getting ready to trim mine back if anyone is interested in cuttings. It’s roughly a 2 year old plant from seed.. no fruit yet but perhaps someone can get the cuttings to root.

I’m going to give it a little boost of light here soon and try to induce fruiting this spring.

Out of stock now, but a place to watch:

https://nurcar.com/products/fortunella-hindsii?variant=7145253077035

I got mine from here and it was a very healthy plant. Again just still waiting on fruit.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on August 06, 2021, 05:48:45 PM
Hello, the description for the plant sounds like it is a Procimequat. I emailed the seller for clarification and they were borderline rude and defensive about the name not matching the description. So it doesn't sound like they know wether that is a Hindsii or the hybrid Procimequat. What does your fruit look like?
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: brian on August 06, 2021, 10:39:22 PM
Yeah I don't know what the Eustis parentage comment in the seller's description is about.  The picture looks right for Hong Kong kumquat. 
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on August 07, 2021, 12:22:27 AM
Right? I was hesitant to order one based on the description but after the bizarre interaction with the seller I'm looking elsewhere. The Woodlanders page is definitely selling a Procimequat, so if that is their source for the plant material then they are not actually selling a hindsii which is inaccurate at best and dishonest at worst
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: brian on August 08, 2021, 11:33:16 PM
There is an exotic plant shop near me that sells them occasionally.  I will have to go check again and see.  I had bought two over the years and they always died on me.  And we can always hope that franklazar's produce seeds soon :)
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on August 11, 2021, 04:45:21 PM
Hello, the description for the plant sounds like it is a Procimequat. I emailed the seller for clarification and they were borderline rude and defensive about the name not matching the description. So it doesn't sound like they know wether that is a Hindsii or the hybrid Procimequat. What does your fruit look like?

Looks like a HK to me! Tons of little fruits, crazy everywhere. Flowering again even... I will have seeds available soon. I'm thinking based on what it looks like, the plant and the dime sized fruits about to ripen, it is a Hong Kong kumquat. I could be mistaken anyways though.. I'll see if it has one or a few seeds once they ripen, that will be a final determining factor.


(https://i.postimg.cc/XX89CJhJ/IMG-3812.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XX89CJhJ)
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on August 11, 2021, 05:00:22 PM
Found this on UCR: "The Hongkong wild kumquat fruits have only three or four segments. The ovaries of the procimequat hybrid under consideration usually show from four to five segments."

For fun I cut one open, seems to have 3 segments. My guess is it is indeed HK but I'll check again when fruits are ripe. Even if it is prociemquat, it's still a crazy cool hard to find hybrid, being a triploid that still gives seeds, however only producing nucellar seeds.


(https://i.postimg.cc/kDchg7vN/IMG-3813.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kDchg7vN)
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on August 11, 2021, 05:27:25 PM
Very cool thanks for the pictures!
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: brian on August 11, 2021, 10:04:58 PM
frank your photo looks like the hong kong kumquat plants I had before, I think you have the right one
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on August 12, 2021, 12:14:18 AM
I do agree Brian, I’ll hopefully have seeds within a month or two!
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Pandan on August 12, 2021, 03:28:30 PM
That's a nice lil crop coming in! keep us updated and I'm first in line for some of those seeds  ;D
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on August 12, 2021, 09:38:59 PM
I counted around 40 fruits on the tree and about 50 more flowers coming! Started flowering and it doesn’t quit!!
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 03, 2021, 01:23:38 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/zLxHHMB0/F38-CEE03-9-F1-D-4612-96-CB-17-B4-DD9-B3-DC7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zLxHHMB0)

Starting to ripen. Definitely is Hong Kong.. should have seeds soon.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Pandan on October 05, 2021, 08:45:22 PM
Go kinzu go! *Fingers crossed*
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: brian on October 05, 2021, 09:40:22 PM
looking good!
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 06, 2021, 04:31:22 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/xJnTqJmW/41-ECFC52-6839-4-AB7-A42-D-155-EF9011-D2-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJnTqJmW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BPvScrMp/5-B97-A97-D-0349-4853-A9-FD-11-F9-F82-EA040.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BPvScrMp)


If anyone is looking for P-quat, woodlanders just sent me a nice little tree with 1 fruit on it. They still have them and are shipping this month only.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: brian on October 06, 2021, 05:16:15 PM
What is P-quat?
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on October 06, 2021, 06:31:56 PM
Procimequat maybe?
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 06, 2021, 07:29:53 PM
Yes, procimequat. I was lazy lol.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Pandan on October 07, 2021, 01:45:42 PM
Did you sample the fruit on either one (kinzu or p-quat lol)? How do they taste
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 08, 2021, 06:12:52 PM
Neither, bud I've been told Procimequat is more lime like and actually had something to it, whereas Kinzu is basically just a seed or two with skin.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 19, 2021, 09:35:05 AM
If people want on the list, just to see how many seeds I have to divide, send me a pm. Being there’s a lot that want the seeds I ask for shipping costs! I will send whole fruits. I have roughly 30-50 fruits. Some ripened, some not fully yet.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on October 19, 2021, 11:33:24 AM
I eneded up buying the Hindsii from that nursey with the wrong description based on the pictures posted here. From that plant I rooted 2 cuttings successfully and grafted another cutting to poncirus. So I have 4 plants now lol. The plant wasn't cheap so I will probably put the 2 rooted cuttings on eBay or Etsy when they are bigger and keeping the original plant and the grafted cutting. I had 4 fruit set and some tiny flowers when the plant came but nothing to cross pollinate it with for hybridizing (how I would do this with such tiny flowers is another thing lol).   
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 19, 2021, 11:38:53 AM
Post some pics! I purchased mine from nuncar and this is what I got haha. So mine came true. Mine was rather cheap from there, ran around $25.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on October 19, 2021, 12:53:41 PM
This is an older picture, the plant is in my grow tent now for the winter. I'll get some new ones next time I get in there:

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/qWGV2v3/1.png) (https://ibb.co/qWGV2v3)<br />

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/kxQJN9G/2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kxQJN9G)<br />

The fruit as of last week: (blotches on leaves is from spray of horticultural oil for spider mites)

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/K94rsm9/Screenshot-20211019-130932.png) (https://ibb.co/K94rsm9)<br />
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Pandan on October 20, 2021, 01:07:54 PM
I had 4 fruit set and some tiny flowers when the plant came but nothing to cross pollinate it with for hybridizing (how I would do this with such tiny flowers is another thing lol).
If you do ever hybridize please keep us updated. I'm interested as the kinzu doesn't have many crosses compared to its other kumquat brethren.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Pandan on October 26, 2021, 01:22:23 PM
I finally sampled some kinzu, they have a pungent taste that kinda reminds me of the time I tried Sichuan peppercorn.

Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on October 26, 2021, 01:31:20 PM
Interesting! Did you eat it whole or separate from the seeds? 
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Pandan on October 26, 2021, 01:40:38 PM
Interesting! Did you eat it whole or separate from the seeds?
Popped the seed out and ate the peel, definitely didn't want to risk eating the seeds  :o

They really are mostly skin and seed but skin came off easier than I anticipated as well. There is a tiny amount of flesh!

I could see some chef using it as a cupcake topper or something  ;D
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on October 26, 2021, 01:59:22 PM
Now I am patiently waiting for mine to turn orange. How long did it take you? Mine set in August
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 26, 2021, 02:04:25 PM
Now I am patiently waiting for mine to turn orange. How long did it take you? Mine set in August

I want to say mine took from mid July when it first pushed flowers till now to ripen. Not crazy long. 3-6 months I would say as some was mature before they turn orange as well.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on October 26, 2021, 02:07:27 PM
Good to know! Btw they are easy to root from cutting and graft:
The cuttings are growing quicker than the graft to poncirus

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/m9p9QCJ/20211026-140527.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m9p9QCJ)<br />
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 26, 2021, 02:09:03 PM
I tried to root them before from cuttings, but had little luck. You got yours from nuncar?

I just plugged around 30 to root this time around to see how it goes now that I have upgraded my equipment.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on October 26, 2021, 02:16:40 PM
Yes that's where I got it. I root all of my cuttings under a plastic fishtank outside in the shade. It gets humid and hot but the sun doesn't cook them. I use moist Coco coir and dip the cuttings in rooting powder (Indole-3-butyric acid). I haven't tried rooting them indoors yet but I've had success with other plants using a plastic ziplock bag instead of the tank in my grow tent
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on October 26, 2021, 02:23:27 PM
Poncirus+ cuttings and the hindsii in there somewhere lol

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/M88VQPJ/Screenshot-20211026-142113.png) (https://ibb.co/M88VQPJ)<br />
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 26, 2021, 02:45:38 PM
That’s pretty resourceful! I grow my cuttings now in a rather controlled environment. Fan kicks on above 80F, heat mat kicks on under 80F. Has 100% success on everything I’ve tried so far, so trying my new methods with the harder to root stuff. I’ve got 90% success out of finger limes so far.. waiting to see for oranges and kumquats. And the Kinzu now!

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/Xj1k6LV/7-CB80-A89-0356-4279-B88-A-72751-AE5-D016.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xj1k6LV)<br />
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: vnomonee on October 26, 2021, 06:34:58 PM
Very nice, you will make a lot of clones with that setup!
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Vlad on October 26, 2021, 08:37:03 PM
Where is the fan in your setup?
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 26, 2021, 09:43:20 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/JyvVWmvj/2-EC127-CC-F340-4437-991-E-05-D39718-BC17.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JyvVWmvj)


Pic was a little cut off.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Pandan on October 26, 2021, 10:11:55 PM
Looks great!

What kind of grow lights do you use?
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 26, 2021, 10:34:39 PM
I personally use sonofarm panels. Newer company, but great quality stuff. Otherwise for cheap lights I use bloom plus lights. Most of the cheaper ones all work the same with similar output. I’ve been testing lights for a few years now so if anyone’s interested I can do an actual breakdown of the on brand expensive stuff vs cheap knock offs.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Piss P on October 27, 2021, 08:31:33 AM
I personally use sonofarm panels. Newer company, but great quality stuff. Otherwise for cheap lights I use bloom plus lights. Most of the cheaper ones all work the same with similar output. I’ve been testing lights for a few years now so if anyone’s interested I can do an actual breakdown of the on brand expensive stuff vs cheap knock offs.

Yes please do! I got a ViparSpectra xs2000 a few months back and have been quite happy with it. I'm now thinking about getting another but am curious what the higher-end brands have to offer.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: franklazar26 on October 27, 2021, 09:00:16 AM
I’ve tested all these below:

Mars Hydro (1000w, and 2500w, 120w and 260w actual)
Sonofarm (1000w and 4000w, 100w and 440w actual)
Viparspectra (1000w, ? Actual)
Unitfarm (1000w, 60w actual)
Canagrow (300w bulb, 60w actual)
Sansi LED (70w actual)
Bloom Plus (1000w, 80w actual)
And various burple lights I would never touch again lol.

In my opinion, the best is sonofarm. Same quality as Mars Hydro, only cheaper. Plus a 5 year warranty? Can’t beat it! Made with quality Samsung LM301B’s, plus genuine controllers.. It has fewer chips than the Mars, but run more power through each. A little lower power consumption overall, but very equivalent to Mars and runs around $100 less.

So sonofarm and Mars tie for output, but sonofarm sells them cheaper with a longer warranty. Viparspectra would be a good second place after the two tie, and bloom plus is not far behind (especially for the price). The brightness is definitely noticeable when comparing bloom plus to sonofarm, but quite similar to viparspectra. So due to the price point, I’d rather buy 2 bloom plus for the same price of 1 viparspectra lol.

Unit farm would come in next, but it has more of a harsh white light to it than a warm full spectrum. Still grows my trees well! I use it for newly grafted trees as it’s not so intense.

Sansi is my number 4, but when spending the money, I’d rather buy panels. Sansi sells their 70w for $70, and bloom plus panel is around $45. Bloom plus has much better coverage. Canagrow makes a really nice high powered bulb if you’re just looking for something small. $25 can’t beat that.

So anyway, sonofarm is my top (plus they’re all dimmable) I plan to buy more panels to replace the others as my trees grow and I feel like investing. In the pic below, left two panels are both sonofarm, on the right far back is my 2500w Mars, and the other two are both bloom plus. I’m using the viparspectra and other Mars over my rooted cuttings. All in all, my actual draw is around 1000w TOTAL using everything I have plus two root mats and 3 ventilation fans. If you look closely, you can see the difference in brightness of the chips. Sonofarm I feel takes the crown over all. I will note that the Mars has been used last winter so brightness does deteriorate overtime.


(https://i.postimg.cc/0rsZr5B0/90-ACEC8-C-F8-AA-42-A0-B8-AC-5-B1991-B238-AE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rsZr5B0)
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Piss P on October 27, 2021, 09:48:24 AM
Really appreciate all that. The Sonofarm sf2000 is looking like a good purchase then. For what its worth, I found the reviews by Dr MJ Coco and Rows of Green on YouTube to be really informative and helpful
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Azaten on December 11, 2021, 02:40:15 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/xJnTqJmW/41-ECFC52-6839-4-AB7-A42-D-155-EF9011-D2-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJnTqJmW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BPvScrMp/5-B97-A97-D-0349-4853-A9-FD-11-F9-F82-EA040.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BPvScrMp)


If anyone is looking for P-quat, woodlanders just sent me a nice little tree with 1 fruit on it. They still have them and are shipping this month only.

Sorry, I am a bit new to citruses. By P-quat do you mean procimequat? If so, I am very very interested. Thank you for your help.
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: S L Sly on December 18, 2021, 01:28:05 PM
Tons of little fruits, crazy everywhere. Flowering again even... I will have seeds available soon.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XX89CJhJ/IMG-3812.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XX89CJhJ)
I'm wondering if you have any seeds or plants, I had one once and would like one again.
Thank you for your response
Title: Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
Post by: Walt on December 19, 2021, 03:25:02 PM
I bought him out for now.  They seemed a good project for the bonsai club.  But I could spare a couple of fruit.  PM me.