Bud sport Mango

[JF]

Are there any? Or is it possible in mangos?

[wslau]

JF,

Would Jumbo Kesar be such an example?  Or did I misunderstand the definition of bud sport

[behlgarden]

here is the link to excellent article on sport of plants. http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/garden-how-to/info/plant-sport-mutations.htm

1. The term plant sport is the variation of the whole plant, and a bud sport is the variation of only a single branch.
2. Bud sports are also a common cause of the variegation that is seen on some plant foliage.
3. he inability to produce chlorophyll in the leaf indicates that some mutation has occurred. The result is a white or yellow area on the leaf.
4. The sport will either die out or change back to its original form.
5. it could be worth trying to root the plant to see if it continues to grow in the mutative way. The sport may be cultivated to make a new variation of the plant.

[behlgarden]

This is from top tropical claimed to be orange sherbert.  It could be a sport of LZ that they got from Zills. Who knows, ut JF has had Orange sherbert and it looks exactly like this one:


Here is JF got on his Lemon Zest tree on one branch. See similarities?








Either lemon zest has genetic mutation problem or we got a winndr here. Regardless, in terms of bioscience, this is sport fruit.

We will propagate this one! get ready! it was super delicious, brix over 25.

I also heard that Harry got this one too, but we didn't hear much on it from Harry unless I missed it.

[JF]

We solved the mystery I f the LZ vs OS

[behlgarden]

or we can name it CS, California sherbert 

[bsbullie]

This is from top tropical claimed to be orange sherbert.  It could be a sport of LZ that they got from Zills. Who knows, ut JF has had Orange sherbert and it looks exactly like this one:


Here is JF got on his Lemon Zest tree on one branch. See similarities?



Either lemon zest has genetic mutation problem or we got a winndr here. Regardless, in terms of bioscience, this is sport fruit.

We will propagate this one! get ready! it was super delicious, brix over 25.

I also heard that Harry got this one too, but we didn't hear much on it from Harry unless I missed it.

Do not go by TT's pictures or descriptions.  While I have seen some dostorted LZs ove the year (not many, mind you), all characteristics of the fruit were identical to the "common shaped" LZs.

I have seen and harvested hundereds of OS over the last few years...none, and I repeat none, looked anyting like what is pictured on TT's website.

I am not saying you cant get a runt fruit or odd distorted shape but a one time occurrance does not make it a bud sport.

Also, one would be wise not to use TT's website to provide evidence/backup for one's claims.  Just far too many mistakes.

[bsbullie]

We solved the mystery I f the LZ vs OS

Were all fruit off that one branch shaped like that?  Was it a one time occurrance or has it done it in successive years fruiting?

[behlgarden]

Rob, I am yet to see a single person on this forum post picture of OS, unless I missed it. by the way, too many folks have claimed to have eaten OS last and this year. Can you post a pic?

[behlgarden]

We solved the mystery I f the LZ vs OS

Were all fruit off that one branch shaped like that?  Was it a one time occurrance or has it done it in successive years fruiting?

Yes Rob, I saw them myself. I will ask JF to post pic. we have same tree put two shaped fruits, this one branch had a bunch and all were rounded like the pic above.

[bsbullie]

True OS pictures:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.350

I sent these to Ed (my wife's handwriting on the fruit)
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11963.0

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2099.0

and this posted by me
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16104.25

[JF]

We solved the mystery I f the LZ vs OS

Were all fruit off that one branch shaped like that?  Was it a one time occurrance or has it done it in successive years fruiting?

Yes Rob, I saw them myself. I will ask JF to post pic. we have same tree put two shaped fruits, this one branch had a bunch and all were rounded like the pic above.

This LZ had never produce a single fruit or flower from this top branch; that's was until this year. This spring it set over 150 golf ball size fruits but most drop after a cool month of May
Prior to this year, the only fruits I harvest were from the lower branches and I have pix post in other threads.
Lower branches did not flower this year until a month ago
Pix of some of the mutant LZ
And clusters of real LZ last week

LZ now growing in bottom branches




Mutants hanging from tree now 3 left
 

[behlgarden]

Thanks for the pics Rob. Genetic mutation can result in different shapes. So not really orange sherbet,  it still would be a Great new variety for sure.

[JF]

Thanks for the pics Rob. Genetic mutation can result in different shapes. So not really orange sherbet,  it still would be a Great new variety for sure.

Yes we are going to have fun with this one

[behlgarden]

bigger question to ponder here is has any other member witnessed anything like this on their other mangoes or more specifically Lemon Zest as its known to have a problem of genetic mutations.

[bsbullie]

bigger question to ponder here is has any other member witnessed anything like this on their other mangoes or more specifically Lemon Zest as its known to have a problem of genetic mutations.

I have not noticed it however I dont think it is truly that common.  I am also not sure who would notice it past a small few who may be able to recognize it.

What do you mean by saying LZ is known to have a problem of genetic mutations?

[Squam256]

Are there any? Or is it possible in mangos?

Davis Haden is the only propagated variety that I'm aware if that was the result of a mutation

[behlgarden]

Mike at USDA has said lemon zest has lot of issues.

[bsbullie]

Mike at USDA has said lemon zest has lot of issues.

Mike who?  What issues?

[JF]

Rob & Alex
So what do you guys think? Are these just coincidence and I have to wait a few years?

[bsbullie]

Rob & Alex
So what do you guys think? Are these just coincidence and I have to wait a few years?

I would tag the branch to mark it so there is no confusion and monitor it next year.  Are there distinct differences in these fruit compared to other LZs?

[JF]

Rob & Alex
So what do you guys think? Are these just coincidence and I have to wait a few years?

I would tag the branch to mark it so there is no confusion and monitor it next year.  Are there distinct differences in these fruit compared to other LZs?

Absolutely. As I stated, the lower branches produce normal looking LZ....let me see if I can get a pix of a normal LZ. The lower branches flower a month ago so I thin most of fruitlets this week. I don't know if these will ripen before November.


Normal LZ growing in the lower branches



Last of the Mutant LZ

[bsbullie]

Rob & Alex
So what do you guys think? Are these just coincidence and I have to wait a few years?

I would tag the branch to mark it so there is no confusion and monitor it next year.  Are there distinct differences in these fruit compared to other LZs?

Absolutely. As I stated, the lower branches produce normal looking LZ....let me see if I can get a pix of a normal LZ. The lower branches flower a month ago so I thin most of fruitlets this week. I don't know if these will ripen before November.

l meant different in terms of taste and other characteristics of the flesh.

[simon_grow]

That is awesome JF! Wow, the shape is very different. I was thinking you might have had a branch growing from the rootstock but you say it's growing from the top branch so that can't be the case. Hopefully it's a stable mutation.

Simon

[simon_grow]

Rob, I notice lots of lenticils on the mutant Lemon Zest, do normal Lemon Zest have such prominent lenticils?

Simon