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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto large mango tree.
« on: December 13, 2021, 01:11:08 PM »
Great idea, maybe Amazon has a couple I can get. 😆

Better ask the Challenger crew, i bet they can help you....https://aplanetruth.info/theyre-alive-challenger-crew-found-alive-and-well-30-years-since-the-disaster/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto large mango tree.
« on: December 10, 2021, 05:23:57 AM »
Thanks sunny, I'll search for it. Spykes Nursery and pine island has somewhat of a good description of the growth habbits and I've been using those get an idea.
Just grafted the pina colada scions today. Used 2 on some seedlings and 1 on the big stump and watered it a bit.




I think you'll love to see the video's from Indonesia ,which are also posted here somewhere..those guys graft 4 different rootstocks to a mature branch of the tree...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto large mango tree.
« on: December 09, 2021, 01:57:58 PM »
So lemon zest(vigorous?) , honey kiss (dwarf) has 3 branches coming out and coming soon pina colada(dwarf- compact) may work out good together.

Years ago we made an online list here with all the specifications of the mango varieties...don't know if it's still around..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto large mango tree.
« on: December 07, 2021, 10:32:14 AM »
Don't understimate the difference in growing speed of the varieties..i had a few varieties grafted which grew much faster and taller than the ones next to it...so i had to prune the fast growing varieties often which is not good.

This is also the reason i culled my 25 variety cocktail tree, it got an ugly shape and the new scions didn't bloom fast enough, some never did in 5 years time.

So i would advice to make cocktail tree's out of fast growing varieties only, and another one made of slow/compact growing varieties..And 25 varieties is a bit too much, 5-10 would be better i think.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto large mango tree.
« on: December 04, 2021, 07:07:52 AM »
I did mostly just the v graft. Tried a veneer graft but the bud that pushed out seemed to dry up, even in the bag. The wound looks like it's healed up and the scion is still green so maybe it will push another growth out. The v grafts seemed to be more successful even though the diameter was a little different.

Scions wrapped in parafilm also work great and can be kept in full sun. I also used the v-cleft graft and if the diameters differ you just graft it at the side so the cambium matches on only 1 side....that's fine.

Leave the tape around the graft untill the wound is completely healed...And make grafts as low as possible on the tree, not at the tip of a branch. And make sure the tree doesn't sprout new branches below your graft.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto large mango tree.
« on: December 02, 2021, 10:41:10 AM »
Yes i made a cocktailtree with 25 different mango varieties on it. It became an ugly tree though because the new branches don't grow at the same speed and shape.

I had one scion that already fruited before i had taken the grafting tape of, that was chokanan mango..this one can bloom/fruit 4 weeks after grafting.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit grafting question
« on: November 29, 2021, 04:15:00 PM »
Hi guys. Thanks to everyone for participating in this discussion, I took a lot of useful information for myself and now I want to conduct an experiment. I have jackfruit and chempedak seedlings, they are the same in age and height, and I decided to swap their tops in places, maybe this is a stupid idea, but I am interested in the process of inoculation and survival. I will keep you updated on this experiment.
ps: I can't remember who asked me about the cost of jackfruit in Russia. The average price per kilogram of fruit is $ 15, for durian you will have to pay $ 20 per kilogram. Regards!

Then you should eat as much durian as you can. Durian should cost much more than jackfruit, at least 3times as much.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red longan
« on: November 28, 2021, 02:22:00 PM »
I also bought a grafted red longan and got it to fruit...they were normal size, red and tasted like a normal longan, nothing special.
I don't know if there's a really better red variety around, maybe it's just a hype. In Indonesia they paid high prices for those red tree's..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Engkala seedling burn
« on: November 28, 2021, 02:17:38 PM »
Engkalak replaces it's leaves often..and grows fast. Mine always looked like yours.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit grafting question
« on: November 27, 2021, 07:04:42 AM »
Approach grafting works on jackfruit and isn't that hard...do it quick but there will be flowing latex anyway.

It worked for me and in Thailand all jackfruit tree's are approach grafted before being sold. Same goes for durian.

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I 've collected all those varieties and grew them..

Actually all varieties can be very sweet and all can be very watery/bland. It all depends on growing conditions and the amount of chemicals used to keep the bugs at bay.

I culled all those tree's though because they had too many issues...even netting every single fruit wasn't good enough, then the fruit got fungus and developed bad spots.

But the best wax apple i ever ate came from my own tree, it was a rainbow variety with large pits and i gave it a lot of potassium. It was really sweet like a very good apple.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kilo Guava
« on: November 07, 2021, 04:37:06 AM »
Yes we have them in thailand, i wrote about them before and posted pic's as well. The new varieties are also huge and totally seedless.

They are sweet, crispy and we eat them unripe, still white inside.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Small Red Ivory mango tree fruiting
« on: September 16, 2021, 01:30:46 PM »
These mango's can be huge, easy 1 kg a piece...i love them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit - young flower getting mold
« on: August 15, 2021, 05:30:23 AM »
That's a male flower which will get fungus and drop...no problem, just wait for a female flower, it won't take long.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: August 15, 2021, 05:24:07 AM »
Hello,
does anyone know which cultivars of durian are able to self pollinate? I read an short article where Chanee is described as 100% self sterile, but I couldn't find any further information on that topic.

Mongthong also isn't good in pollinating its own variety, best is to plant different varieties and make sure they are not in compost/organic soil and on a sloping ground.

My mongthong makes small fruits which tend to drop at egg size...don't know if that is a pollination issue but it's sad to see.


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My longkong had the same, i think it's some insect which lives under the bark. I tried many times to stop it but nothing worked.

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Do they really eat the leaves or just bite them off the stalk? That's what we have, leavecutters on the young mangoleaves but they do it in daytime.

Other fruittree's also get attacked at night in my garden, brown beetles at night who are attracted by light it seems.

I put fruitbags on young leaves, or spray with chili/garlic mix...those brown beetles are grubs who live underground and eat roots.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: May 11, 2021, 01:31:03 PM »
I keep my grafted mongthong at about 3 meters tall. When i cut the stem i even sealed the cut but now the top end of the stem is rotting and bark is coming of. The branches underneath are still healthy though. I keep it at this size since 3-4 years now and it seems to be working.

Sunny do you recommend not sealing pruning cuts based on what you have seen?
Yes i would not seal the cuts, it doesn't help. And i cut the stem in the beginning of the dry season.

LapLae durian tree's in grafted version are not rare at all in Thailand...it tastes like butter i was told so i stopped chasing it. Gaen Yao also tastes like butter, and that's not my kind of durian, even not the top notch Gaan Yao durians which go for 500 us$ a piece and have to be booked in advance.



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Don't believe what they say, if you think that it's possible then go for it...buy 500 liter pot, a grafted avocado and try it..

I have a fruiting pedalai in a 200 liter pot, they also said that it would not be possible, it took 5-6 years.

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I've done the same but without a microscope..it worked sometimes but i have one white jabo which i can't get grafted on any other rootstock, not in 10 times trying. All the others went smooth but this one just won't do it, also not on another white jabo.

The best budwood is as thick as a pencil (6-7mm) but it sometimes also works with 2-3 mm sized budwood, just try it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: April 28, 2021, 10:33:35 AM »
I keep my grafted mongthong at about 3 meters tall. When i cut the stem i even sealed the cut but now the top end of the stem is rotting and bark is coming of. The branches underneath are still healthy though. I keep it at this size since 3-4 years now and it seems to be working.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: April 27, 2021, 07:45:01 AM »
I would not add any organics to the soil of a durian. The ones that died in my place all had nice soil mixed with organic material.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: April 09, 2021, 05:38:55 AM »
According to youtube video comments Jackfruit is King over Durian but then I suspect the reason being many have yet to try Durian or a Excellent variety of Durian that would make them rate it higher.

Well according to Thai marketprices for Durian and Jackfruit the Durian is the absolute winner with 500us$ for a top notch durian versus maybe 50us$ for the best jackfruit.

And for jackfruit most vendors have inferiour fruit for sale, they don't taste anything like the best ones but they all are the same price. I only eat jackfruit from 1 vendor who always has excellent quality or she won't even sell jackfruit. No idea why this vendor always has far better fruit than all the other ones, they might have their own orchard.

And nope, we don't need the whole world to eat jackfruit or durian. Since Thailand exports durians the prices are higher and the fruits smaller. Now it's almost impossible to find a big durian in Thailand cause the chinese have bought ALL the big ones. Same goes for mangosteen.

And for durian it freezes very well, they should just blend the durian flesh, put it in icecream bowls and export it. That's how i make durian icecream, i buy the soft ones (which the Thai don't like) for half price and blend them all with a tiny bit of salt, nothing else. That's perfect icecream and tastes exactly the same as the overripe durians..mind you, for a Thai EVERY tree fallen durian is overripe, they like them a tiny bit underripe while they are still crunchy on the outside and soft inside.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: March 26, 2021, 01:01:12 AM »


Orlando, Florida. zone push?

This Durian is mine and is growing in Fort Lauderdale, NOT Orlando. It is a seedling from Panoramic and is over 7 ft tall.

This one looks great and has a nice size...i've seen bigger ones for sale in pots but they are rare. I would plant this one in full soil, perfect size for that cause they don't fruit in containers...at least i haven't seen it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: March 26, 2021, 12:46:47 AM »
The subject was not enough durian discussion. There we go again, loads of talk about frozen durian....

I have 1 mongthong tree in my garden which grows very well, doesn't fruit well though. The strange thing is that i've had 10 more grafted duriantree's in my garden but they ALL DIED..No matter which variety i planted they just died in full soil. They got sunprotection, elevated soil, fertilizers and sprays but just wouldn't do it. I tried thai varieties, malaysian varieties, they all started to look bad within weeks and never recovered.

Maybe the problem was organic compost mixed in the soil. But my big tree also grows in that.

So if it's even  hard to grow durian at my place it must be even harder in other countries/climates. I call our climate ultra-tropical since temps are always above 15 celcius, day and night.




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