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Jaboticaba diversity
« on: December 18, 2013, 07:25:24 AM »
I bumped into this article the other day while researching info on 'honey drop'' and D11. Looks like there are lots more jabs to look for.
http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.scielo.br/pdf/abb/v26n4/02.pdf&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djaboticaba%2Bcoronata%2Bd11%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D768%26bih%3D928

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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2013, 01:13:24 PM »
Bruce , can you post the original article link , not the translation . Thanks
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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2013, 03:29:43 PM »
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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2013, 03:39:02 PM »
Diversity in those 4 studies species is even higher as there are many other popular named varieties and that is just a sample looked at in the paper.There seems to be mind boggling variation in the jaboticabas.

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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2013, 04:26:22 PM »
the real question is how many different species (myrciaria/plinia) actually exist?

Im guessing around 200 or more, but I think only about 75-100 are described.

and of those species how many varieties exist?  thousands...with new varieties appearing every year...I've been planting seeds for a while now, and I'm certain I've got at least 3 new unique varieties (at least one appears to be chance hybrid, between M trunciflora and M cauliflora (red hybrid).)

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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2013, 04:40:45 PM »
I also just planted seeds of a hybrid, but this was a coronate crown x sabara. A Brazilian jaboticaba enthusiast told me the largest fruits are on coronata large crown and coronata giant and I was keen to get these two.

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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2013, 05:43:10 PM »
the real question is how many different species (myrciaria/plinia) actually exist?

Im guessing around 200 or more, but I think only about 75-100 are described.

and of those species how many varieties exist?  thousands...with new varieties appearing every year...I've been planting seeds for a while now, and I'm certain I've got at least 3 new unique varieties (at least one appears to be chance hybrid, between M trunciflora and M cauliflora (red hybrid).)

I dont uderstad that last sentence: "at least one appears to be chance hybrid, between M trunciflora and M cauliflora (red hybrid)."

M. cauliflora is not the red hybrid... so?
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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2013, 05:54:53 PM »
huertas,

some of the new varieties are not hybrids, but are mutations or genetic variations of the same species...while some of the new varieties are actually hybrids (some are created purposefully, some are by chance)

I have one seedling that looks like chance a cross between the red (hybrid) jabo, and M trunciflora.  I got the seeds from a trunciflora tree that's right near some red jabo trees...and they both flower at the same time.

whatever it is, I haven't seen another jabo thats like it!
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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2013, 06:01:56 PM »
huertas,

some of the new varieties are not hybrids, but are mutations or genetic variations of the same species...while some of the new varieties are actually hybrids (some are created purposefully, some are by chance)

I have one seedling that looks like chance a cross between the red (hybrid) jabo, and M trunciflora.  I got the seeds from a trunciflora tree that's right near some red jabo trees...and they both flower at the same time.

whatever it is, I haven't seen another jabo thats like it!

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Nice, think hybrid jabos have a lot of potential. Lots of genetic material to cross, should be interesting.
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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2013, 06:20:23 PM »
thanks Nullzero

it would be really nice if my possible new hybrid would bear sooner than trunciflora.

I will post pics of this tree when I get a chance.. the branching is just like trunciflora (which is unique and easy to recognize) but trunciflora leaves are hairless, and have veins that are discreet...this one I think might be a hybrid, because the new leaves are fuzzy, and have deeply impressed veins, just like the red jabo.

it looks like a perfect mix between the two!

 
huertas,

some of the new varieties are not hybrids, but are mutations or genetic variations of the same species...while some of the new varieties are actually hybrids (some are created purposefully, some are by chance)

I have one seedling that looks like chance a cross between the red (hybrid) jabo, and M trunciflora.  I got the seeds from a trunciflora tree that's right near some red jabo trees...and they both flower at the same time.

whatever it is, I haven't seen another jabo thats like it!

Adam,

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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2013, 06:51:28 PM »
Diversity in those 4 studies species is even higher as there are many other popular named varieties and that is just a sample looked at in the paper.There seems to be mind boggling variation in the jaboticabas.

Mind boggling is correct description. My little brain was truly boggled as people in Brazil went on and on about all the different species, different cultivars, and then even regional adaptations of each cultivar. Seems that they adapt to areas were they have been grown for very long periods of times. There is also quite a bit of confusion as different regions have different names for the same cultivars. So there is also a lot of duplication in names. Even so we are talking many dozens of different kinds. And here we were for very long time with only: large leafed and small leafed jaboticaba :o...really like living back in neanderthal times.  ::)
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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2013, 07:07:53 PM »
I also just planted seeds of a hybrid, but this was a coronate crown x sabara. A Brazilian jaboticaba enthusiast told me the largest fruits are on coronata large crown and coronata giant and I was keen to get these two.

Mike , you must be talking about the ' coroa grande ' and the ' coroada pintada ' right ?
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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2013, 07:10:09 PM »
Does anyone have any info about 'Painted crown'? Or M trunciflora 'Giant Bunch'?

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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2013, 10:00:02 AM »
Does anyone have any info about 'Painted crown'? Or M trunciflora 'Giant Bunch'?

The Painted crown or Coroada pintada is supposed to be ' ultra large ' and very sweet . Due to the language barrier I am not sure how large ULTRA is .
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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2013, 09:04:41 AM »
Does anyone have any info about 'Painted crown'? Or M trunciflora 'Giant Bunch'?

The Painted crown or Coroada pintada is supposed to be ' ultra large ' and very sweet . Due to the language barrier I am not sure how large ULTRA is .

http://www.e-jardim.com/produto_completo.asp?IDProduto=302

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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2013, 09:32:15 AM »
the real question is how many different species (myrciaria/plinia) actually exist?

Im guessing around 200 or more, but I think only about 75-100 are described.

and of those species how many varieties exist?  thousands...with new varieties appearing every year...I've been planting seeds for a while now, and I'm certain I've got at least 3 new unique varieties (at least one appears to be chance hybrid, between M trunciflora and M cauliflora (red hybrid).)

The whole Myrteae tribe is incredibly diverse - same tribe as, for example, eugenia with over 1000 described species, as well as other diverse ones like Psidium.  And the trend continues if you go up another level - the same subfamily (Myrtoideae) has tons of other highly diverse genuses, like Eucalyptus and Syzygium. And even that is just at the subfamily level, let alone at the family level. I wonder if it's coincidence or whether their genetics are prone to particularly fast speciation?
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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2013, 10:12:14 AM »
Does anyone have any info about 'Painted crown'? Or M trunciflora 'Giant Bunch'?

The Painted crown or Coroada pintada is supposed to be ' ultra large ' and very sweet . Due to the language barrier I am not sure how large ULTRA is .

http://www.e-jardim.com/produto_completo.asp?IDProduto=302

and this:



Hey Luc: dont you speak spanish?

http://loucosporjabuticaba.blogspot.com.ar/2010/10/fotos-de-jabuticaba-paulista.html

Yes Huertas I speak spanish . I looked at the blog ....took 48 years to fruit this one ...hahahaha ...thank you
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Re: Jaboticaba diversity
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2013, 11:07:01 AM »
I got seeds from Oscar that are beginning to put out tails. They seem like they have market potential, has anyone tasted them, how would you say the flavor is?
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