The Tropical Fruit Forum

Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: Cookie Monster on July 28, 2014, 07:23:00 PM

Title: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 28, 2014, 07:23:00 PM
I need 3 or 4 really good Florida avocado trees with the following characteristics:

 - Sets fruit outside of mango season
 - A good substitute for california avocadoes

Lately, I've found that there are some pretty darn good west indian type cadoes, and I have a few new spots to plant a few trees (we bought the lot next door to us :-). I bought an oro negro and am looking for 2 or 3 more that are oily / rich and that will give me a long season worth of cado lovin.

Suggestions?

Carlos?
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: edzone9 on July 28, 2014, 07:35:13 PM
Jeff Congrats On The lot man ! , Its a nice size lot ! ....will you have to fence it ?

Thanks Ed.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on July 28, 2014, 07:48:25 PM
I need 3 or 4 really good Florida avocado trees with the following characteristics:

 - Sets fruit outside of mango season
 - A good substitute for california avocadoes

Lately, I've found that there are some pretty darn good west indian type cadoes, and I have a few new spots to plant a few trees (we bought the lot next door to us :-). I bought an oro negro and am looking for 2 or 3 more that are oily / rich and that will give me a long season worth of cado lovin.

Suggestions?

Carlos?

Congrats! :) Would you be interested in growing glenn x lemon zest and glenn x nam doc mai #4 seedlings in the future?  ;)
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: gunnar429 on July 28, 2014, 08:04:55 PM
An expert I am not, but I strongly recommend the cannonball avocado that Bender has sold---I think you tasted it before.  That's the closest to the high-oil hass taste that I have had down here in FL.  Hopefully, he will propagate the trees next year.

Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: murahilin on July 28, 2014, 08:10:12 PM
I need 3 or 4 really good Florida avocado trees with the following characteristics:

 - Sets fruit outside of mango season
 - A good substitute for california avocadoes

Lately, I've found that there are some pretty darn good west indian type cadoes, and I have a few new spots to plant a few trees (we bought the lot next door to us :-). I bought an oro negro and am looking for 2 or 3 more that are oily / rich and that will give me a long season worth of cado lovin.

Suggestions?

Carlos?

Awesome! Glad you got the lot next door.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 28, 2014, 08:15:02 PM
HAHAHA thanks, guys. Believe it or not, I already have the entire lot planned out. 35 trees baby :-).

I'm replacing a good portion of that nasty lime rock with real soil. Having a guy with heavy machinery coming in a few days.

That cado from benders was delicious. I'd love to find something similar in quality to that.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: johnb51 on July 28, 2014, 09:40:57 PM
Carlos is recommending Blas as the best early avocado (but not "outside of mango season").  He's testing a whole slew of them, as you may well know.  Congrats on the new lot, Jeff!  35 trees?  You're creating envy, man!  (I'd love to see the list.)
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: shaneatwell on July 28, 2014, 09:51:56 PM
Nice work on the lot. Im jealous.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 28, 2014, 09:53:50 PM
congrats on the new lot!!!

I'm definitely far from an expert on this subject...but, how about Monroe?

(not sure if it's a good substitute for Ca cado, but it's a great fruit!  and is supposed to be ripening around Jan)
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: CTMIAMI on July 29, 2014, 07:24:02 AM
Jeff congrats on the lost!
What do you consider the time for mango season?
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 29, 2014, 10:27:19 AM
I thought about Monroe, but I already have an oro negro that covers a similar period.

For me, mango season is May to Sept, so anything outside of that range is bonus, but anything inside is hard to keep up with as the piles of mangoes build up. A good March / spring cado and a good Oct / fall avocado would be fantastic to fill out both sides of the oro negro.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: mangomanic12 on July 29, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
Jeff Congrats on the Lot . Does this mean you will be selling fruit in the next 3-5 years or so?
That would be great for me when i make my yearly trek to Fl
Hope you are in good shape to be maintaining that lot :)
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: CTMIAMI on July 29, 2014, 05:13:18 PM
I thought about Monroe, but I already have an oro negro that covers a similar period.

For me, mango season is May to Sept, so anything outside of that range is bonus, but anything inside is hard to keep up with as the piles of mangoes build up. A good March / spring cado and a good Oct / fall avocado would be fantastic to fill out both sides of the oro negro.
If you have a Monroe with no nitrogen added can carry fruit to January, February.  Utuado will come in  October and November, before Monroe and Oro Negro. Catalina September-October. All good fruit.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 29, 2014, 07:23:51 PM
Thanks, Carlos. One question: where do I find a utuado for sale?

Yah, the plan is to sell fruit in the next 3 to 5 years. Between my lot and the one next door, we'll have around 80 trees in ground. Not enough to compete with the titans up in palm beach county or harry's fruit and spice park, but enough to keep the wifey busy selling fruits and the cookie monster's tummy full nearly year round with yummy fruits.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: edzone9 on July 29, 2014, 08:23:02 PM
Jeff I will take a trip down your way to buy some fruit once you get your other grove going !..
Ed..
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Mr. Clean on July 29, 2014, 08:46:49 PM
Are there any Laurel Wilt resistant varieties?

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hs391 (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hs391)
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: CTMIAMI on July 29, 2014, 10:08:05 PM
Are there any Laurel Wilt resistant varieties?

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hs391 (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hs391)

So far it affects all races. USDA is conducting some experiments and some varieties are showing more resistance but the result are not completed. Bottom line: No easy fix.  Hoping that nature will take care of it like the white fly.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: LEOOEL on July 29, 2014, 11:33:15 PM
Congrats on the lot next door, I like the plans that you have in mind for it.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: edzone9 on July 30, 2014, 05:49:27 PM
Jeff what size trees are you going to plant ? 3,7,15,25?

Thanks Ed..
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 30, 2014, 09:44:19 PM
Thanks, Guys.

I'm doing mostly 3's and 7's. There are a couple in 25 that I've been growing for a few years.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: murahilin on July 30, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
Thanks, Guys.

I'm doing mostly 3's and 7's. There are a couple in 25 that I've been growing for a few years.

Are you willing to type out a list of what you plan on planting?
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Mr. Clean on July 30, 2014, 11:51:42 PM
Thanks, Guys.

I'm doing mostly 3's and 7's. There are a couple in 25 that I've been growing for a few years.

Are you willing to type out a list of what you plan on planting?

Let's see if Pina Colada makes the list.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: bsbullie on July 31, 2014, 12:03:34 AM
Thanks, Guys.

I'm doing mostly 3's and 7's. There are a couple in 25 that I've been growing for a few years.

Are you willing to type out a list of what you plan on planting?

Let's see if Pina Colada makes the list.

of course it will...I believe he told me he will be planting a one gallon that was grafted 18 days ago with a weak, rotting root ball but he said he expects to harcest about 200 lbs next year and 300 - 400 pounds by year two, all off of one single tree.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: edzone9 on July 31, 2014, 05:36:34 AM
Hey Rob Where can I get that 1 Gal Tree ;)....
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: gunnar429 on July 31, 2014, 09:11:12 AM
thanks for the morning laugh! ;D
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 31, 2014, 10:57:59 AM
:-) I actually already have a PC planted out. I don't know if PC is productive, but I want to see how it performs for myself vs relying on rumors. If I had a smaller lot, then I might pay more attention to rumors to ensure I get consistent crops.

Here's what I have so far on the list:

1 - Chintalala (salvadoran mamey sapote mutation)
2 - Mammea Americana
     + Jinotepe 1 (this has already flowered for me in a 25 gal pot!)
     + A special salvadoran selection that bears 2wice a year
2 - Jocote (hog's plum)
     + A salvadoran selection known as "Azucaron"
     + A big yellow sweet florida selection, not sure of name
1 - Pace mamey sapote
1 - Cogshall
1 - Sweet Tart
2 - Lemon Zest (for a total of 4!)
1 - COC mango (I really like this mango)
1 - Kent
1 - Coconut Cream
1 - Dot mango (this tree does extremely well despite the fungus naysayers)
1 - White cuban mango (pretty darn good and very productive)
2 - Jackfruit
     + Seedling selection from fruit and spice park with giant crunchy carpels and a nice lemony flavor
     + Undecided on the 2nd one
3 - Sapodilla
     + Silas woods (this tree is INSANELY productive and quite delicious)
     + Hasya
     + Morena
3 - Avocado
     + Oro Negro
     + Still deciding on the other 2
1 - Caimito (giant purple one from PIN -- best one I've had to date)
2 - Atemoya
     + Gefner
     + 4826
3 - Sugar apple
     + Thai lesard
     + vietnamese easy peel
     + Purple
2 - Longan
     + Kohala
     + Vietnamese selection known as "cow's skin"

I guess that's only 31. There are some trees I'm forgetting a couple :-).

PS -- My mammea americana 'Jinotepe 1' that I grafted from a tree that sheehan brought me has flowered in a 25 gal pot at a mere 3 or so years old!
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 31, 2014, 11:04:03 AM
As for the spacing, I'm doing 14 feet between the trees in each row and 14 feet between rows but with a stagger (ie, trees in alternating are between the trees in adjacent rows) so that the spacing between the trees across rows is actually about 15.5 feet.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: bsbullie on July 31, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
Jeff - I wojld reconsider the Kent.  Has too many issues and not that good IMO.  I REALLY like the Coc also.

For your second jackfruit,  consider Red Morning for taste/quality or Mai 1 for quality and super productivity.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 31, 2014, 11:11:30 AM
Thanks, Rob. Yah, I'm not planting the Kent for myself. My wife likes it cause it's big and bears late. We are nixing both of our keitts due to extreme fungal issues, so we're going to try the kent as a replacement.

I think I'll actually do 2 COC mangoes instead of just one (that was one of my favorite mangoes this year, up there with LZ / Sweet Tart).

And, per your PM message, I'll do an Edgar; that's a great mango.

Mai 1 sounds like a good idea actually.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on July 31, 2014, 12:54:06 PM
Jeff - I would reconsider the Kent.  Has too many issues and not that good IMO.  I REALLY like the Coc also .


We all know you do Rob.

 ;D  :P  ;)
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on July 31, 2014, 12:55:31 PM
Jeff, is the mamey sapote hybrid from El Salvador sold here locally? That really got my attention.  :)
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: gunnar429 on July 31, 2014, 03:05:27 PM
I agree on edgar and Coc--both quality mangos!
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: zands on July 31, 2014, 03:34:51 PM
I agree on edgar and Coc--both quality mangos!

So is Edgar named after Edgar Allen Poe? Or a Zill uncle or first cousin? Spill the beans bsbullie! I had just one and it was excellent!
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: bsbullie on July 31, 2014, 04:06:35 PM
I agree on edgar and Coc--both quality mangos!

So is Edgar named after Edgar Allen Poe? Or a Zill uncle or first cousin? Spill the beans bsbullie! I had just one and it was excellent!

Parentage is Edward x Gary
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: zands on July 31, 2014, 04:21:11 PM


Parentage is Edward x Gary

Thanks! So Edgar is an Edward x Gary cross
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Felipe on July 31, 2014, 06:25:00 PM
1 - Chintalala (salvadoran mamey sapote mutation)

Story? Any infos? Pics?
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 31, 2014, 08:58:07 PM
Chintalala is a mutation of a mamey sapote (I forget which cultivar). The fruits are small, about the size of a small canistel, but packed with flavor. The tree produces twice a year, in spring and fall. As with other mutations (eg, the variegated guavaa), some branches revert back to the non-mutated version.

The fruit is only known in El Salvador as far as I know, and even in El Salvador it's not widely known. It was one of the best tasting mameys that I've had. I brought back budwood and grafted to a green sapote rootstock that I happened to have laying around. All grafts took and are doing quite well :-). In a few years I should have some chintalala fruits :-). I'm curious to see if it performs the same here in FL.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on July 31, 2014, 09:26:12 PM
Chintalala is a mutation of a mamey sapote (I forget which cultivar). The fruits are small, about the size of a small canistel, but packed with flavor. The tree produces twice a year, in spring and fall. As with other mutations (eg, the variegated guavaa), some branches revert back to the non-mutated version.

The fruit is only known in El Salvador as far as I know, and even in El Salvador it's not widely known. It was one of the best tasting mameys that I've had. I brought back budwood and grafted to a green sapote rootstock that I happened to have laying around. All grafts took and are doing quite well :-). In a few years I should have some chintalala fruits :-). I'm curious to see if it performs the same here in FL.


Does the tree look identical to mamey sapote or are there any differences besides bearing habit and fruit size? This sounds like  a winner, especially for impatient people like me. lol Hope it does well here in south Florida.  8)
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 31, 2014, 11:12:29 PM
Totally identical to mamey sapote. Only difference is that the fruit are ripe after only growing for a few months.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on July 31, 2014, 11:25:53 PM
Totally identical to mamey sapote. Only difference is that the fruit are ripe after only growing for a few months.

 :o  Nice!
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: ofdsurfer on August 01, 2014, 05:55:51 AM
Jeff,

If you graft any more trees of your chintalala let me know I want one!

Have you tasted the nishikawa avocado?  It's supposed to have a very creamy fruit.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: johnb51 on August 01, 2014, 08:03:14 AM
Does "COC" mean anything, as in "COC mango?"
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: bsbullie on August 01, 2014, 08:05:15 AM
Does "COC" mean anything, as in "COC mango?"

Coc is Coc msngo, a Vietnamese mango.
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: gunnar429 on October 31, 2014, 02:54:12 PM

Thanks, Carlos. One question: where do I find a utuado for sale?
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: edzone9 on October 31, 2014, 04:23:21 PM
Jeff and pics of the Hagen Grove ? ;)....

Ed
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: FRUITBOXHERO on May 01, 2018, 03:00:49 PM
Chintalala is a mutation of a mamey sapote (I forget which cultivar). The fruits are small, about the size of a small canistel, but packed with flavor. The tree produces twice a year, in spring and fall. As with other mutations (eg, the variegated guavaa), some branches revert back to the non-mutated version.

The fruit is only known in El Salvador as far as I know, and even in El Salvador it's not widely known. It was one of the best tasting mameys that I've had. I brought back budwood and grafted to a green sapote rootstock that I happened to have laying around. All grafts took and are doing quite well :-). In a few years I should have some chintalala fruits :-). I'm curious to see if it performs the same here in FL.



Jeff I know this is old but did your Chintalala ever fruit? and if so was/is it the same?
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Coach62 on May 01, 2018, 07:24:22 PM

I'm replacing a good portion of that nasty lime rock with real soil. Having a guy with heavy machinery coming in a few days.


That’s the only way to do it.  Plan it out and do it right the first time.

Although mine hasn’t fruited yet, the Marcus Pumpkin I just planted is impressing the hell outta me with how vigorous it is.   It ripens in Oct to November
Title: Re: Question for the FL Avocado Kings (ie, Carlos et al :-)
Post by: Johnny Redland on May 01, 2018, 07:25:59 PM
I would consider bacon and Lula avocados. Bacon is extremely similar to haas and other lesser known mexican varieties in taste and appearance. Lula is one of my favorites because it has a noticeable sweetness to it that complements the oily avocado flavor quite well, plus it separates from the skin almost perfectly.  But Oro is still my favorite by far, so great choice imo.

As far as the mammea Americana, please update us on your progress if you don’t mind. That is one tree that I’m EXTREMELEY excited about on our property. Fairly uncommon tree, as well as fruit.