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So 'Arka sahan' would be 'Atemosa'.
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Squam,

To be clear, I am not furious anymore but that doesn't mean I don't want answers and a resolution. 
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No.  "Annona hybrid" is a very general term describing plants produced by cross-pollinating two species of Annona, or even, later on, by cross-pollinating those hybrids with yet other species or with other hybrids, to make "complex Annona hybrids." "Annona hybrid" is not synonimous with "atemoya", as the latter is a sub-category.

Though some authors write "atemoya" in a species name format, "atemoya" is really just a common name.

"Atemoya" is a coined word--- a made-up word.  This word was made by "hybridizing" two words to make a new name for a new type of hybrid plant, which was produced by cross-pollination between "Ate" Annona squamosa and "Cherimoya Annona cherimola, regardless of which species was seed parent or pollen parent.

Similar hybrid words, for other sub-categories of Annona hybrids, include:

"Cherilata", for Annona cherimola  X  Annona reticulata;

"Cherilama", for Annona cherimola  X  Annona diversifolia (The common name for the latter is "ilama".);

"Temoylata", for "Atemoya"  X  Annona reticulata;

"Temoylama", for "Atemoya"  X  Annona diversifolia.
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I can tell you that the small mangosteen plants are extremely sensitive, even to mildly cold weather, but also other things. I wouldn't try permanently planting it in Orange County unless you live in the more temperature moderate part, and have a good microclimate and spot in the yard for it, where it will be surrounded by other plants, partially shaded, will mostly only get morning sun, will get more sun into the Winter when the sun is at an angle, protected from wind, etc. In other words all the conditions would have to be completely optimal. I believe it's theoretically possible but you'd really have to know what you're doing, and have the right spot for it.

Do not put the seedling in the ground!
Nurture it and wait till it's at least 2 feet tall until you even think about leaving it out. And even under optimal conditions it may be quite some time before it reaches 2 feet tall, they've been extremely slow growing for me, and I have the temperature and humidity set at a perfect level.

I was told by the owner of ONG nursery that he knows of some Vietnamese people in Hacienda (out in San Diego, neighborhood close to the beach) that are growing Purple Mangosteen outside in a container, leaving it outside during the Winter under their patio, and that they got at least one fruit. That's what he told me, as best I can remember. That area is bordering on the edge between zone 10 and zone 11 so don't automatically think that success will transfer over to where you are.

Also realize the West Coast has had a very mild Winter this year.
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Tropical Apricot seeds
« Last post by monkeyfish on Today at 10:30:44 PM »

I will chime in here since I know a little about it. First, Dovyalis seeds will remain viable for 24+ months if properly cleaned and dried and stored, according to:

https://crfg.org/home/library/tidbits/growing-rare-fruit-from-seed/ 

but the problem is that properly cleaning these small seeds is very tedious and time-consuming, which is likely why they are not often found for sale. I wish I knew an easy way.

I had a volunteer seedling growing in my back yard, and since my only true hybrid is in the front yard, this plant could only have been a seedling planted by animals that were browsing the mother plant. It was right on the fence line so it didn't especially bother me. The fruit that it produced was, as far as I could tell, the same as the parent plant. There was no discernible difference in size, shape, color, flavor, or other attribute that I was able to notice. So such could be a general rule, or this specimen could have been an exception to the rule, I have no way of knowing. Its probably reasonable to expect some variability in the fruits of seedlings.

One thing which probably is a general rule, the seedlings will be much more thorny than the parent plant, although there may be some variability in this also. I have pulled out many small seedlings around the mother plant and they all were very thorny. I have read that seedlings start out being thorny and then often 'grow out of it' as they age.

While its true that rooted cuttings are a genuine clone of the parent, and are the recommended propagation method, and will tend to fruit more quickly than a seedling, the seedlings of this tend to grow pretty damn fast, and may well fruit in the second year if they are happy. So not a lot of time is lost waiting for what may ultimately turn out to be inferior fruit.

Another thing I've read is that a seedling may not be self-compatible, and also that male and female flowers may not occur on the same plant. Again, there may be variability in that aspect as well. I have no input on that, but it is worth mention and consideration. 

One other thing, the seedling plant on the chainlink fence grew straight and tall, much more like a tree than a bush.  I never did trim it or prune it in any way, so that habit could likely have been changed. However, the parent plant has not really been trained or pruned either, and it is very much of a bush, wider than it is tall, with many branches and not just a main trunk like its offspring.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Star Apples from Vietnam
« Last post by Bhkkatemoya on Today at 10:30:34 PM »
Thuan phat supermarket in little Saigon is selling $43 a box.

It tastes so much better from the tree Simon.  These commercial harvest picked the fruits way too early.  It’s definitely worth growing if we can grow and fruit them here in San Diego. 

Good luck dragon! Let us know if yours survive and fruit in the coming years.


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Squam, of course I agree with those points.

I was reacting to someone else's suggestion that 'Sonpari' from Zill's wasn't the true one because someone in India looked at a picture of leaves and made some sweeping negative statement.


I actually think the Son Pari from Zill is the real Son Pari based on pics of the fruit, along with this description from India which describes it pretty spot on:

http://www.nau.in/pagefiles/112_Mango%20hybrids.pdf
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My mangosteen seedling is still alive out in the cold. I'm tempted to put it in the ground.
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Hi , i am looking to get some jaboticaba root stalk, best from someone near me.            Thanks       Patrick


You can get a 3 gallon Sabará for about $35 at Champa nursery as buddy have mentioned.
http://www.champanursery.com/Monthly%20Special/winter%202014%20sale%20english.jpg
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