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It looks like freeze drying jaboticaba pulp would be an arduous, time-consuming process. I think getting $30-40 per jar would probably be the only way it would pay off for the time and effort expended. That being said, Adam's freeze dried Pitangatuba looks like it was relatively easy to make. Freeze dried Pitangatuba could be something that ends up in grocery stores (or at least specialty groceries) in the future.

Pitangatuba, in any format, will not be in any store.  Outside of collectors, its not widely known.  Its not a feasible cash crop and too delicate to transport for selling whole or to a processing plant.

With that being said,  both of Adam's freeze dried fruit look delish and worth the money they are fetching.

I think that is an ignorant, narrow-minded statement. At one time, most of the fruit that we all enjoy on this forum was not widely known in the US, outside of collectors. Go ask someone living in the US (outside of Florida) a century ago, "What is a mango?" Go ask someone living in the US fifty years ago, "What is a kiwi?" Go ask someone twenty years ago, "What is a jackfruit," or "what is a mamey sapote," or "what is a rambutan" or about any number of tropical fruits that can now be found in supermarkets throughout the US today?

Pitangatuba has an interesting flavor. It has an interesting shape. Adam Shafran's name for it, starcherry, has a nice ring to it. It is probably too delicate and perishable for fresh fruit sales, though grapes and most berries are not exactly robust fruits. But, freeze drying and other processing methods could open up new possibilities for making Pitangatuba a viable agricultural crop and a presence in groceries stories across the US. Right now, 99.9% of Americans have never heard of Pitangatuba. In ten or twenty years, that could change with the presence of bags of dried starcherries next to dried cranberries and trail mix in grocery stories from coast to coast.

Im ignotmrant?  Blah blah blah ..classic response from a dumbass.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Little Gem doesn't seem so little
« on: July 11, 2021, 11:39:40 AM »



I got this little gem late last summer from truly tropicals. It was a 7 gallon to was about to transfer to a 15 gallon pot. It has not been in the ground for very long and I wasn't going to let it carry fruit but my mother-in-law took a liking to it so I let it carry a few.
Question what happens if you let it ripen on the tree until it is soft to the touch. Will it taste rancid like some of the others

No fruit should really be left on the tree till it gets soft if you can avoid it.  Too many potential negative issues.

i had a few mangoes on my Little Gem tree last year. I accidentally knocked over a mango. That ripened but the fruit was nothing special. I let a couple ripe on the tree. That is when i realized the mango is truly special.   The mangoes were bigger than i expected, but this year, they are considerably smaller as the tree has produced more than a hundred mangoes.

Letting it get tree ripe vs soft are two separate things.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Little Gem doesn't seem so little
« on: July 11, 2021, 10:23:20 AM »



I got this little gem late last summer from truly tropicals. It was a 7 gallon to was about to transfer to a 15 gallon pot. It has not been in the ground for very long and I wasn't going to let it carry fruit but my mother-in-law took a liking to it so I let it carry a few.
Question what happens if you let it ripen on the tree until it is soft to the touch. Will it taste rancid like some of the others

No fruit should really be left on the tree till it gets soft if you can avoid it.  Too many potential negative issues.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are these Ross sapote?
« on: July 11, 2021, 09:25:39 AM »
Hard to tell.  They do look a little round (without the slight flattening) and the color looks a little off.  Most of the Ross I have seen and grown have a slight "dirtyness" to the color.  They look rather large, too.  How big are they?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Maha Mango...
« on: July 10, 2021, 09:48:00 PM »
JohnB, my Second-bloom Keitts are very small and green still, a month or two a away for sure.

Some places pick their fruit full green and way too early aka underripe.   What you wind up with is soft, wrinkly fruit and not properly ripened fruit.

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It looks like freeze drying jaboticaba pulp would be an arduous, time-consuming process. I think getting $30-40 per jar would probably be the only way it would pay off for the time and effort expended. That being said, Adam's freeze dried Pitangatuba looks like it was relatively easy to make. Freeze dried Pitangatuba could be something that ends up in grocery stores (or at least specialty groceries) in the future.

Pitangatuba, in any format, will not be in any store.  Outside of collectors, its not widely known.  Its not a feasible cash crop and too delicate to transport for selling whole or to a processing plant.

With that being said,  both of Adam's freeze dried fruit look delish and worth the money they are fetching.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Karen Michelle
« on: July 10, 2021, 09:39:50 PM »
John that’s awesome man congrats! Alex Salazar and Mr. Sturrock both agree Karen Michelle is just an improved Edward, but me and my wife are crazy about it! We both love Edward too and see the close resemblance but we taste more “tropical” and coconut flavor in KM (although I also taste coco in Edward).

I was disappointed however, when I heard from Alex today that his KM top work has been very disappointing for 3 or 4 years now AND the original tree belonging to Gary Zill is also a shy bearer.
I will hold off on planting until it’s further evaluated in different growing locations.

Rob, are you by chance growing KM?

Yes, I have it planted.  It is known to be a shyish bearer but Pineapple Pleasure can be also.  For backyard home consumption,  I am less concerned.  They are both larger sized fruit, so a little less quantity doesn't bother me.  I am not growing it to sell.

All the KMs I gave had have been excellent however not all varieties will be good every year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Maha Mango...
« on: July 10, 2021, 09:43:09 AM »
Yes, I have seen ripe Mahas in SFla weeks ago.  You are in a slightly different climate and maybe from a late bloom?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Karen Michelle
« on: July 09, 2021, 11:32:15 PM »
I can officially say that I have secured a 15 gallon Karen Michelle mango tree from Truly Tropical Chris in Delray Beach. I would like to thank Honest Abe for focusing my attention to this wonderful mango. I was actually sitting in my Resort Room texting about how much I enjoyed coconut cream mango when Abe mentioned on this forum I should try Karen Michelle. I had all the mangoes that I got from Tropical Acre Farms displayed on plates and platters on the kitchen table about to take a photo. When I saw Karen Michelle staring me in the face. I was very impressed with the size and when we tasted it coconut coconut coconut. I have been wanting to get a bigger size mango and this should compliment my Sugarloaf and M4 nicely. As far as large mangoes I now have fruit punch and Karen Michelle. Honest Abe you might want to consider a 7 gallon. Her trees tend to run much larger than most others you will find. I will be visiting her on Thursday I will take a photo of one with a tape measure included for reference. As the Duck Dynasty guy would say I'm happy happy happy :D

Never noticed any coconut in a Karen Michelle.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this orange sherbet ready to pick
« on: July 09, 2021, 12:15:48 PM »



July 9th  As far in the interior is you can get from east to west and north to south. Early morning

My wife's going to pick one today we're going to put it in the Finney box till Tuesday. When we're ready to come to South Florida on Tuesday afternoon. If it's good we're going to pick more before we leave and some after we come back on Friday :)
I know our season is a couple weeks behind South Florida but that should fall into Rob's best pick date time frame.

Ok, call me stupid but I read far too much that people make growing fruit overly scientific.   What is a finney box? 

To ripen, just keep in a room that has an ambient temperature "outdoor" temp that is free from vermin.  It will properly ripen on its own.  I dont even see the need to wrap in newspaper or place in a bag with an apple.  All that does is aid in an artificial ripening process that may not be optimal.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this orange sherbet ready to pick
« on: July 08, 2021, 07:50:33 AM »
They will not turn yellow like LZ. They may actually not turn any "colir" at all.  Its the shade of green, with filling out of shoulders that should be monitored.   They may get a shading of a light orangey yellow but they very well may not.  I have picked many a pale green OS that ripened perfectly.

Just a fyi, it is still early in the season for average picking time.  Mid to late July, and at times into early August can be considered the right picking time

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Mango seeds don't come true to seed. You need grafted trees/scions if you want those varieties.

These varieties are poly.  They can be grown true from seed.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any Damage from Elsa?
« on: July 07, 2021, 08:53:25 PM »
I am missing a yellow leaf from one of my mangoes.  I have been looking for it and its nowhere to be found.  I was gonna file a claim but then I realized the lawn guys came and must have mulched it up.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dud Jackfruit??
« on: July 07, 2021, 09:32:00 AM »
The spines do not become "blunted" on all varieties. Its truly like a mango, one needs to know the proper stage to harvest a jackfruit for eating as a ripe dessert.

As stated, many are picked green/immature/not fully ripe and could be done so for multiple reasons which most common are being shipped and sold commercially,  picked for eating as a vegetable,  and because people pick having no clue as to when the fruit is actually ripe.

In my opinion, and some won't like what I say, but buying a jackfruit in a location where they are not farmed/grown is less than a crapshoot.   You have little chance if buying anything decent or ripe.  I know some will say they have bought them in Idaho from a market and they tasted delicious...I would challenge that and say you should try one properly picked where they are grown.

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I have seen these a few years ago from California.   I am having a brain fart.  I think Simon could tell you.

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I’m 5-6mi from beach in palm city, not sure what the cut off is between good/bad production.

-Joe
They keep informing me that green mangoes in the interior show less color change when ripening than they do on the coast. I have never asked why and they have never explained why.
Thanks your photo is a big help :)

That is true of a number of mangoes.  Your LZ should color up.  From the picture you posted of the OS tree, those look like they have colored (OS do not get a great color change, just a faint very pale yellow/orange tinge to a lighter shade of green).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Mangos 2021
« on: July 05, 2021, 08:59:13 PM »
For me Orange Sherbet, Kathy stood out so far this season. Many others are great. But so far this season they caused the most emotions.
You are a fan of Lemon Zest. In your opinion how does Orange Sherbert taste compared to Lemon Zest. Any similarities?What are the subtle differences.
I have an orange sherbet that has over a dozen on it. I've never tasted it. I have also never tasted lemon zest.

As of right now Karen Michelle is the one that's on my mind :)

Orange Sherbet has more of an orange jello/orange Hi-C component.  LZ can nv range from a lemon custard to creamsicle to a lemon-orange custardy creamsicle.

PPK is more lemon curd (hence lemon meringue) to creamy lemon candy profile.

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Just slice between 1/4" -1/3" inch slices,  lay on dehydrator trays and let the machine do the work.
Wife & I have done this & it is tasty... But the last of the sentence is very important "let the machine do the work". Yes, the machine will work and work and work and work to dry slices.

Making wraps on parchment paper from a mango puree using a blender etc. will be less "work" for the machine and much quicker to dehydrate the mango roll ups that can then be eaten, refrigerated, or frozen etc etc. etc.

The thinner amount of puree is much easier & qucker to dehydrate vs. cutting & dehydrating any type of fruit slices due to the thickness and a slower dehydration process.

But both processes  sliced fruit or puree of fruit dehydrated taste very good & more concentrated when dehydrated ... If you have the patience & time. Just giving another qucker choice.

Really depends on the machine.  Mine has dual zones with dual fans with adjustable temp settings.  Dries mango pretty quick.  Lychee takes longer as it gas more water content.

Also, I much prefer dehydrated slices over fruit leather.

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Do you add anything to mango chips prior to dehydrating, or just straight up mangoes?

What Rob said. I prefer them on the greener side for dehydration. They seem to ripen a more during the process

Funny you say that  because I have found a mango that is a tad overripe to eat out of hand can be dehydrated and turns out darn goo

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Gotta go by sight, not touch/feel.  If you wait for it to have give, it will either drop, be eaten and/or be past on the i side.  Its another variety that takes experience to pick properly.

As to the original post, maybe bring the pot in the garage or enclosed porch, free from winds and elements,  until Elsa passes.

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This Malika mango is showing color change
What should I do now coach :)







Pick it asap.  It may be "too ripe" for peak flavor.  I would nornally recommend picking at first signs of that color change if not picking mature green.

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Do you add anything to mango chips prior to dehydrating, or just straight up mangoes?

Just slice between 1/4" -1/3" inch slices,  lay on dehydrator trays and let the machine do the work.


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I dehydrate then freeze. After a year they end up as mango chips but I'll take it when I have nothing

When I dehydrate,  they are eaten in days.

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When I had a bumper crop of Pickering and Angie, this is how I would freeze them.  First peel, then slice them in half away from the seed, putting all in a big bowl.  When done with that step, go back and cut the halves in pieces (roughly bitesize) onto a cookie sheet along with what you can salvage from the seeds. Freeze.  When they're frozen, you can bag them and handle them easily.  Fortunately I had a separate upright freezer with plenty of room for the cookie sheets.  As mentioned above, it's best to use frozen mango in drinks, such as smoothies.  And yes, I think it's worth the effort.

Not recommended for a standard freezer.   Ice crystals form and cause added water plus run the risk of freezer burn.  You want minimal exposure to air.

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I have limited freezer space. No stand alone freezer. But If I had a stand alone I would freeze most mangos whole with the skin on. When you take the whole mango out it is very easy to peel as it defrosts, though you must do this within a few minutes of it being out at room temperature. Then take the "naked" mango(s) and move on to your next steps.

I tried the freezing whole method, no benefit from the method I described above.

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