FOR SALE - seeds Theobroma grandiflorum - CUPUAÇU

[Pan Dulce]

Whoa! I normally don't post to whiners, but you are very subsistent with this complaining about rotten seeds. That's how it goes sometimes, quit acting like a spoiled kid who didn't get the present you wanted for your birthday.  Suck it up and move on!

[fsanchez2002]

Whoa! I normally don't post to whiners, but you are very subsistent with this complaining about rotten seeds. That's how it goes sometimes, quit acting like a spoiled kid who didn't get the present you wanted for your birthday.  Suck it up and move on!

Second that...

[Ejected35]

Whoa! I normally don't post to whiners, but you are very subsistent with this complaining about rotten seeds. That's how it goes sometimes, quit acting like a spoiled kid who didn't get the present you wanted for your birthday.  Suck it up and move on!

I have many theobroma plants from other seeds selers. No similar problem with other theobroma selers (last 10 years), so i canot confirm Your opinion. Im sorry, but i dont fully understand point of Your criticism. What do You really mean quick acting like a spoiled kid? I write that i wait with this case more than one year before i public it. Moreover, I consulted the matter with other specialists to make sure that no one is hurt and I write the truth.

I think nobody would like to receive so many the spoiled seeds and not be able to advertise them ? I paid for a healthy and fresh seeds . I did not get such. If the sender delivers a defective product and not feel responsible to the complaint is probably the only remaining form to publicize it.

Perhaps You know a better way . I will be happy to read about it. Thanks.

[gunnar429]

you have made your thoughts known.  Do you intend to repost the long story of your cupuacu each and every time that Ricardo posts a message?

You went public, everyone saw it, many disagree and vouch for Carlos, and now we are all moving forward with life.  Now, it's up to the buyers to determine if they want to risk it.  Again, most people believe Carlos to be of good integrity, despite what you believe...so it's all out there, and it seems like everyone wins...IF you don't keep posting the story ad nauseum every time the guy tries to make a sale.

[Ejected35]

Hi gunnar. I dont know that. Maybe i will repost, maybe not. I will made a decision in future - depand on what will be writed here. If somebody write here anythink thats "whitewash" my capuasu story etc i will discuss about this. I ask question Mr Pan dulce, not to You. Mr Pan dulce start to strange discussion about "kids" etc. Why? to soft slandering me? I had to explain him that Im not a kid and i do not behave like a kid. I presend facts and arguments. First - He response to my story, so i just start discussion with him and his arguments. This forum is designed to discuss / explain. If somebody wants to talk about anything of this/my (capuasu) story - its ok i will talk. If Ricardo starts write here (on his capuasu advert) without decent response to me - I will remind and ask again, similar i ask before (with no response) briefly: Ricardo is this ok to send not matured seeds (first time) and mould dry seeds (second time). How You gonna to fix it Ricardo? Our talk will be only here, he can sell other things, but have to change his capuasu policy because it is not good for other buyers. I think it is my right to talk about this - just as it is Your right to defend him here - fellow contrary to the arguments and facts presented. Ricardo is a good man but a little astray . I'm trying to help him in the future, a similar thing does not happen again . I do really glad that Ricardo has so many devoted friends . This testifies to the good people of this forum, but if You/ can You please try to be a little objective? Then the case will end well soon. Sorry for long post. Thank you for the attention. Regards.

[sanitarium]

I will add my 5 cent..

2 years ago I bought a cupassu fruit from PR from montonso garden (most know who they are). It was in transit about 3-4 weeks and it arrives in perfect shape not rotten or even started to ferment inside. Also it was just secured with newspapers in the box so no special wrapping. It was smaller fruit, but heavy.

Here is the point: 

1. I highly doubt it would dry out  like that just in 2-3 weeks especially with so hard shell to protect the inside. Or better how all the moist left the fruit in so short time and being wraped?
2. the fruit upon sending was already very light thus the Ricardo should be aware that there was something wrong with it.

Also this critism of Ricardo is just for this specific sale. 
I personally bought planty of theobroma seeds and almost 90 percent havent made it and I did not complain as I know it was not fault of seller.
 But in this case I think the fault is on Ricardo side.   

[rcardaman]

Whoa! I normally don't post to whiners, but you are very subsistent with this complaining about rotten seeds. That's how it goes sometimes, quit acting like a spoiled kid who didn't get the present you wanted for your birthday.  Suck it up and move on!

That's a bit harsh, and in my opinion uncalled for.  I found his post to be well-stated and informative.  He is not satisfied with the seeds he received and presented solid, objective evidence to back up his claims.  I would not call that "whining".  Furthermore, he has been polite and refrained from personal attack. Under similar circumstances I don't think I would be as restrained.  I too have received bad seeds from time to time, even from good sellers.  Usually, it is due to circumstances beyond the sellers control, and I accept the loss without complaint.  However, sometimes it is clear that the seeds were bad before they left the seller, and in those instances I expect the seller to make good. 

[Pan Dulce]

I agree, and one post about it is ok, but to continuously post the exact same thing on multiple threads is too much. Keep the conversation to one thread.  Maybe I should have said "I heard you the third time!"

[Ejected35]

Usually, it is due to circumstances beyond the sellers control, and I accept the loss without complaint.  However, sometimes it is clear that the seeds were bad before they left the seller, and in those instances I expect the seller to make good. 

Exactly.

I agree with You mr Pan Dulce (about multiple threads) but please kindly notice that this issue described by You about my multiple threads is no longer valid , however, it requires some explanation. This is not the main point of discussion , and please return to the main story , however: all my multiple threads (about moulded cupuacu seeds from mr. Ricardo) on this forum are deleted about 20 november 2015. So this part of story is not current affairs. But in fact i have to apologize Admin, Moderator and any reading People -  for one thing: my multiple (3) threads. I was sufficiently publicize the case (one photo and small/short story) and I decided that this small range (3 similar post on unique Ricardo topics) is maybe high, but probably acceptable for begining (at forum with unique 16143 Topics). I admit that I should restrict entry to one place. I hoped that wider publicity and discussion will encourage the recipient to deeper reflection. But unfortunately it did not happen.

This is one of the best forums of this type on the planet. Here are the thousands of friendly People. So we should take care of the quality of communication and the level of cooperation between sellers and buyers . If something went wrong normal thing is to try (ably) fix it. This is in everyone's interest that these situations were resolved (briefly, quickly and efficiently) in a civilized manner.
If you do not push the solution to the problem that such situations are constantly repeated. Because people will not feel the pressure of the community. It was writed that most of us (buyers) do not make problem on some problematic cases. When case is bigger and we are shure about our proves - we try to discus the problem with the seller - privately. Last option is to public the case. The best known method in this situation is to talk and find out solution, find out how to fix the problem. Sweeping issues under the carpet or talking about something else as (maybe little?) suggested by Mr. Pan Dulce is not an option because it will really not fix the main point of problem.

Thank You for all comments on this topic.

[Wiangelo]

And last but not least : Domnik, thank you for your good looking Capuaçu. Which was born in Poland and now lives in Suriname. 

[lal]

dear brother, iam santhilal, indian, may you send some cupuacu seeds, i also ready to share you tropical fruit seeds, iam a fruit farmer

[RICBITAR]

dear brother, iam santhilal, indian, may you send some cupuacu seeds, i also ready to share you tropical fruit seeds, iam a fruit farmer

Dear Lal

Thanks for ask
In my region in Brazil, is not cupuaçu season now

Best regards
Ricardo

[fruitlovers]

Almost all seeds i received from Ricardo were expertly packed and in great shape. But in all fairness, yes there was some big problem with cupuacu seeds he sent out. I could not get a single one to germinate. And this was from several different shipments of cupuacu. So i think there is certainly some improvement needed just on handling of this one particular species. The seeds looked good, were hard, but none sprouted. This was from seeds sent in medium. Pods should never be sent in international mail, as it is against the law.

[barath]

Almost all seeds i received from Ricardo were expertly packed and in great shape. But in all fairness, yes there was some big problem with cupuacu seeds he sent out. I could not get a single one to germinate. And this was from several different shipments of cupuacu. So i think there is certainly some improvement needed just on handling of this one particular species. The seeds looked good, were hard, but none sprouted. This was from seeds sent in medium. Pods should never be sent in international mail, as it is against the law.

I had the same experience unfortunately -- the cupuacu seeds I received from him looked fine but never germinated.  Sometimes it's comes down to luck with seeds that have come from far away, so I guess that's fine with me.

[Ejected35]

The cause problems with these seeds has already been explained. These are the fruits / seeds harvested probably only for consumption (most from trees). The seeds for sowing should collect those that fell. In another case they are immature (rot even though they are visually ok). That is why I maintain what I wrote previously: These theobroma grandiflorum seeds/pods from mr. Ricardo should never be sent to recipients. Recently, the financial intermediary gave me back some money (those that he can pay for that 2015 year), but my loss on the transaction (2014) with mr. Ricardo still exceeds $ 200. Its a pity that a mr. Ricardo has not made such a step (refund). Indifference, carelessness mr. Ricardo and complete not feel responsible for this case is striking.

Despite this, whereas disputes response Colleagues on both (the Priv as well as in the public debate) and the fact that this forum is a unique place: I decided on this special for most Brazilians and Poles day also keep special and forgive mr. Ricardo his behavior.
In this way I try to help and make it easier for him to find adequate and decent way out of this situation.

It is the end of the case on my part in terms of moral but not material. I do not know whether rent a Brazilian lawyer or not but Mr. Ricardo: if you want in the future out of the face of this situation is willing to accept some compensation (except shipping next seeds t. grandiflorum that are worth nothing). I think other colleagues who have received defective seeds should also be compensated by mr. Ricardo (in such a way that they were not losers in this transactions).

Thank communities that rose to the occasion. Thank you for the opportunity to explain the situation here, and for the time you have consecrated this case. I hope to see you in other threads (more enjoyable;)

[druss]

I have read all the posts (alllll the posts) and have thus far not commented except to post my experience which was very good in my case. I think it should be noted though that most people who sell here do so on a voluntry amateur basis, collecting seed from the wild. I gather you have lost a couple hundred dollars or so. I commiserate, however keep in mind that there is such a thing called buyer beware, in the last 12 months I've spent $3000-$3500 US on seed through forum members. Most have been great but i have still lost seed to postal, customs, seed quality issues etc, this is to be expected in this hobby . As i read it he did try to make good once to no avail and you have since got some money back so your losses are minimal. There are other sources for this seed listed  so there is no reason you have to deal with him again for this or other seeds not that he would sell to you again anyway id suggest. I get the feeling you expect a sure thing with regard to seeds you buy and that just wont happen. Furthermore i doubt a lawyer  will do you much good as its across international borders with no reciprocal legal recognition, its a hobbyist not a professional,  and you instructed him to send fruits not seeds in medium which as oscar pointed out is illegal so you might end up in more trouble than its worth. Sadly by continuing to hound this argument, what you are doing now is making the smaller amatuer sellers think long and hard before they deal with you and probably forum members in general. The bigger guys wont care but in the long run everyone will lose out. Call it a learning curve and move on. By the way forgiveness doesnt come with strings attached, unless your in the mafia then its called blackmail. If you do forgive  him thats great ask the moderators to lock this and thats the end of it. If you don't then at least don't pretend it does you no favours.

[Ejected35]

I agree with most of your comments druss. However, note that in some countries banned shipment of these seeds is only a myth supported not know why. These are not drugs, they are not the fruit undergoing rapid degradation (not melt). So assigning them to the list of "forbidden" is sometimes a matter of the will of the official screening. Among other things, it looks like the situation in the US (I spoke with several officials, none of them, none had heard of it despite some sellers in the US cite this ban). I noticed that vendors in USA and other countries eager to cite the "forbidden shipping" even though it has little to do with reality. Australia has in this respect very strict rules and there's no leniency. The border services run very professionally. .

Yes you are right. The marketing of seeds repeatedly risk, sometimes we lose stuff. However, this does not explain the situation. The problem in this specific case has on specific source of the material which prepares the seller. This topic was partially explained.

When it comes to forgiveness as I wrote it is a special circumstance (special celebration in Poland and Brazil) and therefore (among others) I decided to forgive what happened (even though the matter has not been fully resolved from the material side). This means that I will try not to make more direct public comment on this specific case at Mr. Ricardo.

But if something will require explanation, of course, I undertake a discussion on this topic. Thank You for Your comment.

[DurianLover]

3 out of my 10 cupuassu seeds I brought from Amazon were showing tiny few millimeter sprouts 10 days after removing from fruit. Fresh seeds are like impossible to clean, but I think I nailed the method. It's really a very tedious process, and I highly doubt anyone sending 50+ seeds would do it.

[RICBITAR]

I think the several cupuassu seeds I sent to various parts of the world, none germinated, unlike some species who have more than 90% of germination, Cupuaçu seeds is really a big problem
The more impressive, I WARNING THE RATE GERMINATION IS 0%, and yet the persons want and  buy cupuaçu seeds 

[nelesedulis]

Ricardo,

I've taken cupuaçu seeds of tree and plant and 20 percent germination, that is it is calculated risk.

excuse the Portuguese, but the tune of Botafogo's fans.

E ninguém cala esse chororô, a minha semente não germinou..chora o comprador e queima o vendedor....lá, lái, á, lá, laí.................

I think the several cupuassu seeds I sent to various parts of the world, none germinated, unlike some species who have more than 90% of germination, Cupuaçu seeds is really a big problem
The more impressive, I WARNING THE RATE GERMINATION IS 0%, and yet the persons want and  buy cupuaçu seeds 

[Wiangelo]

Ricardo, people attack you at this moment but hear me against fruitlovers:

Hi Oscar,
In may this year I've bought seeds from you and here is an update.
The Baucarea Angulata 100 % germination.
The Durio Kutajensis 100 % germination.
The Artocarpus Sarawakansis no germination.
The Baucarea Motleyana no germination.
The Mexican Mangosteen no germination.
The Plinia Edulis no germination.
Greetings,
And this was his response:
Mexican Mangosteen and Plinia Edulis can take a long time to germinate, especially if not given right conditions.
Yes and that was it...so before you try to nail someone just look in the mirror

[fruitlovers]

Ricardo, people attack you at this moment but hear me against fruitlovers:

Hi Oscar,
In may this year I've bought seeds from you and here is an update.
The Baucarea Angulata 100 % germination.
The Durio Kutajensis 100 % germination.
The Artocarpus Sarawakansis no germination.
The Baucarea Motleyana no germination.
The Mexican Mangosteen no germination.
The Plinia Edulis no germination.
Greetings,
And this was his response:
Mexican Mangosteen and Plinia Edulis can take a long time to germinate, especially if not given right conditions.
Yes and that was it...so before you try to nail someone just look in the mirror

Did you really read my post? It seems not. Try again:
"Almost all seeds i received from Ricardo were expertly packed and in great shape." Then i went on to admit there was one exception to his excellent record, which this post was about: cupuacu.
Is that "nailing" somebody? Oh brother! I guess you just want to pile it on higher and deeper? 

[Wiangelo]

 I could not get a single one to germinate. And this was from several different shipments of cupuacu. So i think there is certainly some improvement needed just on handling of this one particular species.This is nailing''''

[Wiangelo]

Ricardo, I saw on the internet that there are 2 kinds of Capuaçu. One with white flesh and one with yellow flesh. Is there a difference between the taste of them?
I'm also looking for the Capuaçu sp. The sweetest one according James West. Do you have these in Brasil? And if yes, could you sell me some seeds when the season is there?

[fruitlovers]

I could not get a single one to germinate. And this was from several different shipments of cupuacu. So i think there is certainly some improvement needed just on handling of this one particular species.This is nailing''''

Why don't you let Ricardo respond and he can say whether he feels "nailed" by me, instead of putting words into his mouth?