Author Topic: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE! (Read 242809 times)

Cookie Monster · « **Reply #25 on:** March 28, 2012, 06:23:22 PM »

Ohhh, OK. Duh, I read your post rong :-). U b using a green house? With fully formed leaves, them babies are takes. Good job, Cowboy!

Quote from: Anikulapo on March 28, 2012, 05:58:08 PM

The scions I took were from dormant branches, about to leaf out for the first time this year. So leafless sticks were attached to rootstocks...am I confusing u? or am I confused? $:-\$

Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 28, 2012, 05:28:36 PM
OK, I see what you did. You were able to harvest budwood before the leaves fell off. Good work.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #26 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:46:42 PM »

Thanks Jeff!

No greenhouse was used...except the mini bag over the top of the graft!

Seems like most of the grafts that failed for me this year were due to being damaged by being hit, or by being damaged by me repeatedly touching them to check on them. Some also failed for no other reason than poor graft! Sometimes its just not meant to be.

Cookie Monster · « **Reply #27 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:59:58 PM »

I wonder if the cleft graft helps with early season annona grafts like that -- maybe it causes the rootstock to 'wake up' more quickly due to being beheaded? Hoping Har will chime in with some wisdom. I pretty much universally use side veneer on the annona this time of year.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #28 on:** March 28, 2012, 08:14:58 PM »

Hmmm. Not sure, but my veneer grafts seem to be on the same schedule as my clefts, they even look better than my clefts.

I think the timing of the scion and the small size of plant being grafted, are two most beneficial components of my method.

Greg1029 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 28, 2012, 08:46:01 PM »

Here is a picture of grafts I made on my Geffner. The Nuathong and Lisa were grafted last month and took some time to push. The African Pride was grafted a couple of weeks ago and took off immediately. I had it in my portable greenhouse this whole time and just stuck it on the north side of my house yesterday. You guys have me worried!! I thought I had successful grafts until I read some of these posts. Do you think there's a chance my grafts will die in a couple of months? Greg

Nuathong on left. Lisa on right.

African Pride

JF · « **Reply #30 on:** March 28, 2012, 09:02:44 PM »

Quote from: Greg1029 on March 28, 2012, 08:46:01 PM

Here is a picture of grafts I made on my Geffner. The Nuathong and Lisa were grafted last month and took some time to push. The African Pride was grafted a couple of weeks ago and took off immediately. I had it in my portable greenhouse this whole time and just stuck it on the north side of my house yesterday. You guys have me worried!! I thought I had successful grafts until I read some of these posts. Do you think there's a chance my grafts will die in a couple of months? Greg

Nuathong on left. Lisa on right.

African Pride

That's a good question Greg. I had two annona grafts die last year after pushing for three months. BTW, those are nice flowers are you hand pollinating?

Greg1029 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 28, 2012, 10:46:10 PM »

JF, No I've left it alone.

Greg

Guanabanus · « **Reply #32 on:** March 29, 2012, 12:04:52 AM »

I think Adam is right about the advantage of small rootstock and big scion. I have done some good dormant Annona grafts in late winter and early spring, but I have done a lot of terrible batches too, using rootstock that we knew would be too big to use next summer.

Cookie Monster · « **Reply #33 on:** March 29, 2012, 11:27:39 AM »

OK. Very interesting. Thanks Adam and Har for the advice!

Quote from: Guanabanus on March 29, 2012, 12:04:52 AM

I think Adam is right about the advantage of small rootstock and big scion. I have done some good dormant Annona grafts in late winter and early spring, but I have done a lot of terrible batches too, using rootstock that we knew would be too big to use next summer.

behlgarden · « **Reply #34 on:** March 29, 2012, 11:32:23 AM »

On dormancy of Cherimoya, I can speak for it. I got three matured trees. All were in dormant. I pruned two heavily three weeks ago and one I will be pruning today. The ones that were pruned 3-weeks ago is pushing for a lot of growth while the one that is to be pruned is still dormant.

I believe the key to my grafting of Cherimoya would be to prune first, wait for few weeks and as soon as growth appears on pruned branches, shoot for graft. I will try that on the 3rd tree when I get red custard apple scoions from Alex.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #35 on:** March 29, 2012, 12:43:46 PM »

Small size is imperative, size of scion not so important...more so the size of buds developing on scion, and how snugly it pieces together with rootstock.

the real challenge is working with stem diameters less than 1cm, and trying to make good cuts, and to wrap them with out breaking them!

Also, you'll find that the clef graft is the most versatile and successful graft method to use at such young age.

Another advantage of my method, is you don't have to wait forever for rootstocks/scions, and if you are unsuccessful in your attempt, a smaller tree/less valuable rootstock has been compromised.

Any more tips, and I'll have to start charging admission to this thread

behlgarden · « **Reply #36 on:** March 29, 2012, 12:50:07 PM »

Adam, I got all kids of grafts going, time will tell the success. I got grafts on 2" branch, 1" branch, 1/2" branch and even 1/3" branch. On smaller branches I went cleft. On fatter branches I went cleft and veneer mixed. I hope weather here turns warm soon so grafts take it before they give up.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #37 on:** March 29, 2012, 01:27:58 PM »

Behlgarden,

If you made good clean cuts, pieced them together well with your rootstock, got budwood at proper time (which I'm sure you did

), and sealed them properly after applying them, as to not let them dry out....I think you'll have some takes!!!

Good luck...keep me posted if your grafts take.

behlgarden · « **Reply #38 on:** March 29, 2012, 01:30:48 PM »

I check my grafts daily and once a week I use my fingernail to scratch the top end of scion to see if its still green and alive. so far so good. I will definitely let all know how it progresses. I dont have hope unitl we start hitting 80's here which could happen next week.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #39 on:** March 29, 2012, 01:38:40 PM »

Not a good idea to scratch scions repeatedly. Could introduce a pathogen or simply just moving scion around can be bad idea.

How are you able to scratch scions if they are sealed from air? $:-\$

behlgarden · « **Reply #40 on:** March 29, 2012, 01:41:37 PM »

I sealed 1" above and below the graft union. I did not wrap the entire length of scions as I did not know if I needed to wrap the scion completely in parafilm OR put a plastic bag over it like some do. My reason for it was that we hit mid 70's to 80's and I was worried about scion getting cooked inside the bag.

Should I wrap the scion?

behlgarden · « **Reply #41 on:** March 29, 2012, 01:57:11 PM »

Adam, you got $0.50!

Love the green leaves of your sapodilla. I will wrap my scions tonight, not going to take any chances. Thanks for the tip. Also, on Amazon folks sell buddy tape, like $1.8/roll and ask for $8 shipping and then you got real parafilm. I ordered parafilm this time. Thoughts?

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #42 on:** March 29, 2012, 02:01:56 PM »

Ok, u spending another 0.50 cent to get this one out of me!

There is a special type of tape, not sure of exact name, but I recall it being called "buddy tape"...it super expensive, but worth the money...at first its hard to work with, because its so stretchy and can be pulled so thin...but its better than paraflim for being stronger and lasting longer in your drawer, without losing its elastic properties.

I don't know where to get the tape though, a friend has been giving it to me, and I have to ask where she gets it.

Parafilm works good to, but I never wrap graft union with parafilm...but with buddy tape, if you are good, you can use to wrap graft union, and seal scion! its truly a nice product.

Let me see if I can find where to get some.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #43 on:** March 29, 2012, 02:05:59 PM »

http://www.buddytape.com/application.html

i think this is the stuff.

behlgarden · « **Reply #44 on:** March 29, 2012, 02:14:56 PM »

got it, thanks. I already got Parafilm ordered so I might stick with it. Will keep in mind next time.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #45 on:** March 29, 2012, 02:16:53 PM »

I think these are gonna make it! Looks like u done well son!

Quote from: Greg1029 on March 28, 2012, 08:46:01 PM

Here is a picture of grafts I made on my Geffner. The Nuathong and Lisa were grafted last month and took some time to push. The African Pride was grafted a couple of weeks ago and took off immediately. I had it in my portable greenhouse this whole time and just stuck it on the north side of my house yesterday. You guys have me worried!! I thought I had successful grafts until I read some of these posts. Do you think there's a chance my grafts will die in a couple of months? Greg

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #46 on:** March 31, 2012, 09:41:49 PM »

Makok scion on left hand side already popped out of buddytape a good 1cm...that was less than a week! Talk about perfect timing, it usually takes my sapodilla grafts about 1.5 month to even budge! When all three scions are leafed out I will be sure to post pics.

HMHausman · « **Reply #47 on:** April 01, 2012, 07:52:55 AM »

Quote from: Anikulapo on March 31, 2012, 09:41:49 PM

Makok scion on left hand side already popped out of buddytape a good 1cm...that was less than a week! Talk about perfect timing, it usually takes my sapodilla grafts about 1.5 month to even budge! When all three scions are leafed out I will be sure to post pics.

There is little in this hobby that is as satisfying (eating the fruit notwithstanding) as a graft that pushes immediately as if the scion was never removed from the mother plant. Unfortunately, in my grafting life this is a very, very rare occurance. Good work...looking forward to the pics.

Harry

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #48 on:** April 02, 2012, 01:52:32 PM »

Ok, now I'm waiting on Silas Wood to pop up. Makoks on either side have jumped out of their wraps.

Will post pics like I said...as soon as Silas pops or flops.

Someone (who propagates and owns a nursery) once said sapodillas are expensive because of the difficulty involved in grafting them. I can't imagine this is the case. I just think they are in high demand, like atemoya. They are both very easy to graft.

Ethan · « **Reply #49 on:** April 02, 2012, 01:57:49 PM »

Sorry, late to the party, another frustrating reason for grafts to push then die......stinkin' snails and slugs eating the new growth! I was recently reminded of this phenomenon.

good luck w/the sapodilla grafts,
-Ethan

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