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I think you’re getting pretty good advice.  I’d probably leave 12-15 leaves on that layer.  Damp and warm.
Peter

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Cacao as a crop has been very challenging.  Very serious disease problems plague it.  What’s interesting is that while the price has been terrible for cacao for years it has about quadrupled in the last 6 months or so.  If that price jump holds up it will certainly change the dynamic.  There’s lots of people who love the idea of cultivating cacao but they’ve mostly been punished by the bad price for their efforts.  Now, price relief is here so we’ll see how that plays out.
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: marcotting vs rooting question
« on: April 18, 2024, 10:28:25 PM »
I think it was cut too early but that it could grow. I’d keep it wet and warm. I’ve seen stuff like that work out.
Suerte
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: marcotting vs rooting question
« on: April 18, 2024, 09:50:29 PM »
The medium needs to be kept very wet when establishing layers in pots.
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: marcotting vs rooting question
« on: April 18, 2024, 06:35:17 PM »
So we wrap layers in foil and it’s easy to unroll a bit to check the progress. If weather were no consideration I would want to see the medium full of roots. What I can’t see from the photo is how many roots there actually are. In any case the layer is successful so, congratulations. When to cut it is something to figure out but at least you know it works for you. After you cut the layer away you might then cut foliage back depending on how much rooting is present. Seek a balance.
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to ripen cannistel
« on: April 17, 2024, 06:19:33 PM »
It looks to have been picked too early, thus uneven ripening.  If you pick when completely yellow the ripen fine.
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help in problem of coco coir
« on: April 16, 2024, 09:31:27 AM »
Sure, make it into a fine powder and put it on, water it in.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help in problem of coco coir
« on: April 15, 2024, 10:01:15 AM »
For sprouting most seeds we use coir as a component in our medium which can have some manure and soil among other things. The only seeds we germinate on pure coir are epiphytes lime dragon fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Drought in the Amazon
« on: April 14, 2024, 10:00:27 PM »
Costa Rica coats like Malaysia? Kl has 2 wet seasons and gets about 3000mm/yr, with 170mm being the driest months. Temps are stable and like 33 to 23 is normal and it doesnt often get less than that.
The Caribbean coast of CR has two dry seasons and two wet seasons. Two wettest months are December and July. Two driest are March and September.
Rainfall used to be about 3500mm total. Two of the last 3 years have had barely more than 2000mm. So that what I’ve been talking about it seeming to trend drier. But the overall pattern is very similar to many parts of the Malay peninsula and Sabah which is the other part of Malaysia I have been looking at. The temps are also very stable. It won’t go below 20C and tops out at about 33C

The area with the pattern I am talking about is on the Caribbean coast from the border with Panama and curves around the north to the continental divide at Lake Arenal.
The rest of Costa Rica has a different pattern of a single dry and wet season that ranges from more than six months dry in the northern pacific to more than six wet in the southern pacific.
So, on the pacific they get a single fruit season on a long list of fruits while, with a little luck we have two seasons of durian for example.
Peter

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With the theobromas you’re talking about I think that 12 years is plenty of time to establish serious production. We think of 5-6 years for cacao to really become productive. Ours begins to produce within 2 years.
I am aware that consuming the cacao membrane is getting more common and I am cautious about that. The fermentation is not really controlled the way most people do it, including us. Lots of different fungi and bacteria can start in there. Who knows what, really. So sure, the roasting kills microorganisms but their leftovers could remain as toxins. Botulism and aflatoxin are not living microorganisms as an example. We feel we are removing that potential in the winnow.
We think it’s worthwhile to grow those 3 as well as other theobromas and herranias. Unfortunately the same diseases that attack cacao also are a problem for pataxte and cupuasu.
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Salak pruneable?
« on: April 13, 2024, 09:37:05 PM »
A healthy salacca salacca can have leaves 20’ long.  But if you cut them at 10’ it should still work out.  How much more you can cut them and how it might affect them is for you to experiment with and find out.  It’s not likely that somebody is going to respond that has specific experience of growing salak with the leaves cut to 5’.
Suerte,
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Drought in the Amazon
« on: April 13, 2024, 09:32:01 PM »
In PZ it is common to get super dry and in April, before the rains start the grass will all have died if not watered. It looks more like California or Spain than what you would expect in CR.  But that’s their pattern.  For mangoes that works fine but for something like durian you best be watering.
The whole northern and Caribbean of Costa Rica has a very different climate that resembles Malaysia.
The locals weren’t worried because that’s an established pattern there.
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Salak pruneable?
« on: April 13, 2024, 08:27:26 AM »
You could cut them at 10’
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia Compatibility
« on: April 11, 2024, 08:07:30 AM »
I have grafted prainiana onto lateriflora.

I dont think grafting mangostan nos a good idea.
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Silvopasture
« on: April 10, 2024, 02:36:57 PM »
The pasture needs direct sun.
Cows will damage tree roots.
Peter

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I’m wondering what altitude you’re at. I must have missed that. In CR you wouldn’t usually plant cacao and coffee in the same area. Cacao is planted up to about 600m. What people are mostly planting are trinitario hybrids. Above that people start to plant coffee, Arabica coffee.
I don’t know all that much about coffee but we grow cacao on the same land where it was planted 100 years ago. Chocolate is a business.
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Salak pruneable?
« on: April 09, 2024, 10:32:50 PM »
I don’t know if you could really keep salak in a pot. I have several types and they all crawl along the ground never really rising up, erect, like most palms. Hence the top of the stem is always low. So, for the question, you could trim the leaves shorter. Full size salak will easily have fronds of 6m/20’. Those could be cut back shorter I guess. A dwarf salak is still going to have 10’ leaves, at least on my farm.
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Drought in the Amazon
« on: April 07, 2024, 08:10:22 AM »
It seems that a pattern has developed here that somewhat defies the nino/Nina effect. In any case, while this dry pattern seems to be establishing you only have to look to California to see how patterns can suddenly reverse once everything seems hopeless.
I have a friend with an avocado farm in Santa Barbara. It got drier and drier and the fires came, one of which burned about 50 trees on his farm. Drawing water from Lake Castaic year after year to stay in production the lake and all the reservoirs in the state began to dry up. Just when everything seemed hopeless they started to get crazy rain. My friends farm had a mudslide that isolated their house so they moved to a hotel!  The wet weather continues. All the reservoirs are full, forgotten lakes have reappeared, Lake Tahoe got 10 feet of snow in one storm…
Hoping the return or rains to Central America is not so crazy but perhaps the new pattern is one extreme to another.
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Drought in the Amazon
« on: April 06, 2024, 11:03:00 PM »
We are much drier than normal as well. Here it seems to me as if the dry season is kind of typical but we don’t get a proper rainy season. So, it makes it hard to plant but our production has been great. We just finished a very good cacao harvest I’m getting lots of black pepper, our Mamey, canistel, and sapodilla have been pumping. Just waiting for the durian and mangosteen flowering now.
When I say dry I mean that we are getting about 80” of yearly rain with distribution through the year. It’s dry for us but grass is still green where you don’t water. It’s the same in Panama, the canal is having big problems. We used to get an average of 150” sometimes going up to 220” per year.
It’s also hotter with less rain.
Peter

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There are ficus carica here in CR. At least my area is not really good for figs. They can grow somewhat and flower and set fruit although it wouldn’t be like in CA. One problem people have who are motivated by this novelty is that setting fruit is one thing, getting the fruit to ripen properly is another.

I stake young grafted trees if necessary and feel confident it’s the right thing to do. Certain trees I want to shape with a verticle leader so…
Peter.

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I’m not interested in figs but the subject does interest me. We like our trees to work a bit when it’s dry, advancing their roots into new territory but, at the same time, have mostly superficial root systems. Our soil is not that good deep down so a deep tap root is not much advantage for feeding. The superficial roots can be fed much easier so we irrigate in the first year during dry spells. I also plant lots of airlayered trees and even cut the tap roots on some grafted fruit trees for this same purpose.
Peter

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I have an indigenous woman who helps me with product processing. She says that the Bribri would take the pataxte to a beach by the river and use the sand to rub the pulp off.
We’re not processing to scale and mostly suck the pulp off and then roast or plant the seeds.
Peter

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We grow pataxte, as it’s called in Mesoamérica. We eat the roasted seeds as well as the creamy pulp. Traditionally people use sand to scrub the pulp off and make a drink with the ground seeds. While the roasted seeds are very good the pataxte drink is not nearly as good as chocolate. So that’s a reason to grow cacao, some people like a rustic hot chocolate!
The maintenance might be easier with pataxte since the trees don’t really need pruning and the fruit falls when ready instead of having to manually pick every cacao fruit.
Peter

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chempedak disease - advice
« on: March 29, 2024, 12:22:04 AM »
It’s kind of hard to see from the photo for me but I think I would cut away the damaged part as well as you can. We usually apply EM style microorganisms to the affected area.
Peter

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I’m not sure what you’re calling parasitic plants. Are you referring to epiphytes like bromeliads?  We don’t get a lot of epiphytes on inga here but certainly, inga shade is dense in any case. It’s part of the maintenance to deal with this shade and make sure that the primary plants/trees have the light they need while the inga shades out the peripheral area.
Peter

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