Mango choices for the Keys ?

[Sleepdoc]

I am planning on planting a mango tree at my In-Laws place in the middle Keys.  There is only room for one tree, and a Glenn was planted two years ago.   Then Glenn is doing well, and I would like to compliment it. 

There is always the risk of flooding from Hurricanes, and the planting location is about 100 feet from the gulf shoreline.  Elevation is 6 or 7 feet I suppose.  It will not get much care as far as irrigation, mulching, etc. 

Thanks 

[HMHausman]

That's a really good question.  Having been to the Keys on many occasions, I have been struck with the lack of mango trees.  Of course, every where I go I look for fruiting trees or even fruit trees.....as I am sure all of us do.  I can't remember seeing a mango tree down there at all.  I wonder if any will really do well in the long term given the potential of being overrun with sea wate r periodically.  Sorry, but I can't gvie any guidance at all as to which would be better than than any other.

Harry

[Sleepdoc]

My thoughts are torn between Pickering for it's overall attributes, precocity and small size ...

Or, LZ or CC for their larger size and reputation of fruit quality ....

VP for it's Vigor and late season also seems like a reasonable choice..

Or maybe something I don't already have in my collection like a soon to be released Zills variety ..

Then again, maybe something green when ripe to avoid fruit Bandits ..

Decisions, Decisions ...

[HMHausman]

All good thoughts.  Is a couple in one hole an option?

Harry

[mangomandan]

I believe that disease resistance is less of a consideration in the Keys. So if there is one you hanker for that has anthracnose issues, the Keys may be the place to plant it.

[zands]

Pim Saen Mun---
I planted a 7 gallon one last February and it is laden with fruits. (got it from Jeff Hagen) It is the fastest fruiting mango of all I have planted. It must be putting its resources into fruiting, not leaves and branches

[fruitlovers]

Not sure if you can get it in Florida, but the Kurashige mango here is well known for its ability to withstand brackish water. So here it is the one to plant right next to the coastline. The taste is quite strong, not for the faint hearted, but i like them.
Oscar

[HMHausman]

Not sure if you can get it in Florida, but the Kurashige mango here is well known for its ability to withstand brackish water. So here it is the one to plant right next to the coastline. The taste is quite strong, not for the faint hearted, but i like them.
Oscar

Never heard of that cultivar.  How do you pronounce it?  Do you know the parentage?  And please decribe the fruit further if you will be so kind.  Thanks.

Harry

[Sleepdoc]

Not sure if you can get it in Florida, but the Kurashige mango here is well known for its ability to withstand brackish water. So here it is the one to plant right next to the coastline. The taste is quite strong, not for the faint hearted, but i like them.
Oscar

Never heard of that cultivar.  How do you pronounce it?  Do you know the parentage?  And please decribe the fruit further if you will be so kind.  Thanks.

Harry

Sounds good to me Oscar ! .... Any more info on it or a possible source for a plant or even budwood?

[fruitlovers]

Pronounced ku-rah-shee-geh. Developed long ago here in Hawaii, i believe in Kona, by Mr. Kurashige. Don't know what the parentage is. Taste is a bit turpentiney, but not objectionable, full flavored, medium sized fruit. Good disease resistance. Think i have a photo somewhere, will see later if i can post it.
Oscar

[HMHausman]

Pronounced ku-rah-shee-geh. Developed long ago here in Hawaii, i believe in Kona, by Mr. Kurashige. Don't know what the parentage is. Taste is a bit turpentiney, but not objectionable, full flavored, medium sized fruit. Good disease resistance. Think i have a photo somewhere, will see later if i can post it.
Oscar

How is the flesh fiber-wise?

[murahilin]

Harry,
I sense you are feeling the need to acquire a new variety. Where have you already planned to plant this one?

[HMHausman]

Harry,
I sense you are feeling the need to acquire a new variety. Where have you already planned to plant this one?

Absolutely, positively NOT!!!!  I have no room for more mangoes.  It's just idle curiosity.....I can assure you. If I keep telling myself that maybe it won't find its way into my yard.  Well.......on second thought, is budwood available, Oscar??

Harry

[fruitlovers]

How is the flesh fiber-wise?

It has some fiber, but no terribly bad. I think it's a good mango for those very difficult growing coastal conditions. In great growing conditions i wouldn't bother with it. I found out that it's polyembryonic.
Oscar

[Squam256]

Harry, the fiber in Kurashige is comparable to Madame Francis, imo. I liked the flavor when I tried it.

[nullzero]

How is the flesh fiber-wise?

It has some fiber, but no terribly bad. I think it's a good mango for those very difficult growing coastal conditions. In great growing conditions i wouldn't bother with it. I found out that it's polyembryonic.
Oscar

Sounds like it would make a nice roostock for sandy higher salinity areas.

[fruitlovers]

Sounds like it would make a nice roostock for sandy higher salinity areas.

That's an excellent idea! I can't vouch for how salt resistant Kurashige is since i haven't tried it in such situation. Just relaying info. not first hand experience.
Oscar

[fruitlovers]

Hiere is a photo of some Kurashige mangos:

Oscar

[bsbullie]

Hiere is a photo of some Kurashige mangos:

Oscar

Ouch, look at all dat fiber...and similarly I am not a fan of Madame Francis cause of its fiber.  Way too many better mangoes with little to no fiber,

[HMHausman]

Yeah, looks like it would give Madame Francis and East Indian a run for their money on the fiber front.  As time goes by, I am getting less concerned about fiber in a mango.....but I still have sufficinet concerns about it to not plant anything out with significant fiber unless it is a really, really special fruit. Or unless I get a bunch of folks at my front gate clamoring for that particular fruit, fiber not withstanding. I don't think I will be getting much in the way of clamor about this particular cultivar any time soon unless we get a sudden surge of Hawaiian refugees here in South Florida.  Thanks for the pictures, Oscar.  This may be a good answer for long term survivability in the Keys.

Harry

[Sleepdoc]

Yeah, that does look very fiberous ....

[fruitlovers]

Doesn't seem like you Floridian mango fanatics give much attention to resistant root stocks? This might be a good variety to start with? I know in Israel they have done quite a bit of research into good rootstocks for mango, avocado, and others for salinity, high pH, etc.
Oscar

[HMHausman]

Doesn't seem like you Floridian mango fanatics give much attention to resistant root stocks? This might be a good variety to start with? I know in Israel they have done quite a bit of research into good rootstocks for mango, avocado, and others for salinity, high pH, etc.
Oscar

You are absolutely correct, Oscar.....no one seems to care much about rootstaocks for mango other than the conventional wisdom that Turpentine makes the best rootstock overall.  The truth is that most mango seedlings are fine for use as rootstock.  I use Thai Everbearing whenever I can and have had good success with that.  Since mangoes grow so well here, it sems to be, overall a non-issue as to the trees surviving and flourishing.  In fact, the only interest seems to be in developing dwarfing rootstock.  I have heard that Zill has been experimenting with other rootstocks, there are others on this Forum that are more familar than I about this project of theirs (to the extent that it is not top secret that is). But I think there is some room for consideration of salt tolerant rootstock especially for places like the Keys.

Harry

[Squam256]

I like Kurashige and wouldn't mind planting one. I think the fruit could sell with Caribbean  customers that don't mind the fiber as much. And testing it for salinity tolerance as a rootstock sounds interesting to me. Wondering if Fairchild might have one in their collection.

Speaking of which Oscar, I remember that discussion about whether or not ST Maui was actually Hawaiian. I emailed both Richard Campbell and Noris Ledesma at Fairchild on it and didn't get responses from either, so I will have to ask them in person next chance I get.

[phantomcrab]

Indian research with Israeli salt tolerant mango:
http://works.bepress.com/sridhar_gutam/12/

[Sleepdoc]

I made my choice for a "keys " mango.  Seadation was over at Jeff Hagens place picking up his replacement CC, and he was kind enough  to grab a Sunrise for me.   

Very large nice, healthy 3 gallon.  It was about to push some new growth, so I cut off a few Scions and grafted them up on my Young/Tebow.  Hopefully they will take as it is a little early in the season, and there are some mango's growing on the Young..

Now in two weeks or so, it's going to be a "Conch"  ( keys resident) 

Thanks Jeff and Seadation !

[bsbullie]

I made my choice for a "keys " mango.  Seadation was over at Jeff Hadens place picking up his replacement CC, and he was kind enough  to grab a Sunrise for me.   

Very large nice, healthy 3 gallon.  It was about to push some new growth, so I cut off a few Scions and grafted them up on my Young/Tebow.  Hopefully they will take as it is a little early in the season, and there are some mango's growing on the Young..

Now in two weeks or so, it's going to be a "Conch"  ( keys resident) 

Thanks Jeff and Seadation !

Who is this Jeff Haden character ??  I would recommend Jeff Hagen 

[Sleepdoc]

LOL     My mind is so stuck on Mango !