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Title: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on May 19, 2017, 09:42:44 AM
I noticed there is very few info on this plant not just on this forum but everywhere.
Who is growing it? Is it more cold hardy than jackfruit?
What about resistance to pathogens?

I live in Italy in a 9b zone, but I think our winter is longer than USA, so probably like 9a even if temps are 9b.
I just got some seeds from India and I am planning to put some in the ground. Any success stories in similar locations?
 
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on May 20, 2017, 11:30:42 AM
I'll start with my experience.
Just got the seeds from harimnair2001( awesome guy super friendly) and many arrived already germinated.
I decided to try sowing some directly in ground, since I don't know the real cold hardiness of these I put them in the most sheltered locations I had.
For one I did create a wooden cage to protect from:
-my ferocious chihuahua
-wind
-cold
-strong sun.
It is surrounded by two walls delimiting the garden, that should further raise temps. The whole setup should make it easy to protect in the winter while still young.
The soil below have been replaced with some kind of gritty mix with 50% pine bark, 20% perlite, 10% pomice and vulcan rocks and the rest is regular soil. After around 50-60 cm there is the regular soil.

(https://s2.postimg.cc/ux8x437wl/wild_jack.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ux8x437wl/)
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: luc on May 20, 2017, 06:41:17 PM
I am growing mine in Full Mexican Sun , but water every 2 days . Doing fine .
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on May 20, 2017, 08:22:18 PM
I am growing mine in Full Mexican Sun , but water every 2 days . Doing fine .

Thanks Luc. So it's an heavy drinker.
Does it grow fast the first year?
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on May 20, 2017, 08:44:24 PM
I am growing mine in Full Mexican Sun , but water every 2 days . Doing fine .

Thanks Luc. So it's an heavy drinker.
Does it grow fast the first year?

The seedlings are quiet drought tolerant.  No need to water.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on May 21, 2017, 02:53:51 AM

The seedlings are quiet drought tolerant.  No need to water.

Thanks! How long from germination to sprout?
Do you know if it is more cold hardy than jackfruit?
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on May 21, 2017, 03:09:24 AM

The seedlings are quiet drought tolerant.  No need to water.

Thanks! How long from germination to sprout?
Do you know if it is more cold hardy than jackfruit?
Germinated seeds will soon come out of soil surface.

Wild jacks are definitely hardier than Jacks and are very fast growing.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: msk0072 on May 21, 2017, 12:34:34 PM
I had many seedlings Last winter died the last one. Temperature minimum last winter 5 degree celsius I think you need to grow in a contsainer first and protect them during first winters.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on May 21, 2017, 02:59:51 PM
Germinated seeds will soon come out of soil surface.

Wild jacks are definitely hardier than Jacks and are very fast growing.
Thanks for the precious info!

I had many seedlings Last winter died the last one. Temperature minimum last winter 5 degree celsius I think you need to grow in a contsainer first and protect them during first winters.
How old and tall they were when the cold arrived? But damn 5 degrees, here we get much lower :(
Well I have many germinated seeds, no harm in trying.
Will keep 5-10 in container to try again next year.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: ben mango on May 21, 2017, 04:25:20 PM
luc, could you post a picture of your plant so i can try better to ID one we have in hawaii... im not certain it is, but i think its an a. hirsutus. must be almost 20 feet tall and no sign of fruit yet..
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: aroideana on May 21, 2017, 07:55:09 PM
I bought a small tree from Kerrie Mac' It was blown over in Cyclone Yasi , and took a very long time to regrow .
Recently topped mulched and fed . Have had no fruit from it yet .
(https://s8.postimg.cc/9sip6hvmp/rigida.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9sip6hvmp/)
above pic is juv. foliage before cyclone [ 2010 ]
(https://s28.postimg.cc/evn59c63d/rigidus.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/evn59c63d/)
few years ago ..

Will take some fresh pictures soon

Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: ben mango on May 22, 2017, 02:02:00 AM
nice that looks like the same leaf of the a. hirsutus we have growing
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on May 22, 2017, 03:25:44 AM
I bought a small tree from Kerrie Mac' It was blown over in Cyclone Yasi , and took a very long time to regrow .
Recently topped mulched and fed . Have had no fruit from it yet .
(https://s8.postimg.cc/9sip6hvmp/rigida.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9sip6hvmp/)
above pic is juv. foliage before cyclone [ 2010 ]
(https://s28.postimg.cc/evn59c63d/rigidus.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/evn59c63d/)
few years ago ..

Will take some fresh pictures soon
Does it change shape with age? The young foliage looks nicer with the 3 pointed shape.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: aroideana on May 26, 2017, 08:41:26 PM
Sorry , my images are of A. rigidus , a very similar sp.
It has not fruited for me yet .
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on June 25, 2017, 06:24:13 AM
Here are the seedling growing. The plastic cup is to cover from direct light in peak hours.
1-Directly in the ground. One dried but the other is doing fine:
(https://s23.postimg.cc/t0n4fxog7/hirsutus1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/t0n4fxog7/)
2-Some between Calla flowers to cover from direct light, too bad the Calla is drying from too much heat, so kinda pointless.
One of them is sprouting two plants, is it normal? Out of 20 seeds only this did it.
(https://s23.postimg.cc/bomruhuyv/hirsutus2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/bomruhuyv/)
My top performer in a bag in house, around 15 cm. The top performer in the ground is around 10-12cm and it's the one where I used very light potting soil, the same mix I used to germinate them. So don't do the same mistake as me if you plan to sow directly in the ground, use good starter soil.
(https://s23.postimg.cc/7ppkbo6br/hirsutus3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7ppkbo6br/)
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: Triphal on July 27, 2017, 01:13:16 PM
Artocarpus hirsutis: Not seen growing in beyond 16 degrees latitude in the Southern coastal and adjoining plateau of tropical India. It will not tolerate less than 60 degrees F. It was a non cultivated tree found wild in the woods and forests. Propagated by the wildlife mainly by bats, monkeys, squirrels and birds. Because of it's high quality wood and demand most of the old trees have disappeared. It is a VERY SLOW growing majestic tree. The unripe fruit is green and is skinned and boiled and preserved in brine for later usage in some kind of curries.
You need a hot and humid tropical and 'woody' environment. In your zone 9a you have to build a huge green house with regulated high temperature and humidity throughout the year..
I have been travelling twice a year to those areas in India for the last 50+ years. It's fruiting season is April to June. About 6 years ago while I was visiting India I carefully dug up a 9" seedling from under one of our big A h tree and transplanted about 200 feet or so from the river bank (salty backwater) in our family estate. It is about 7 to 8 feet tall in last March I saw it. Probably it will take another 15 years or so to fruit unlike it's cousin Jack! I will be a centenarian then! I have recommended few horticulturists in that region  to make available some grafted trees. Will find out soon during my next visit what happened. Good luck Signor.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on July 27, 2017, 02:26:17 PM
Artocarpus hirsutis: Not seen growing in beyond 16 degrees latitude in the Southern coastal and adjoining plateau of tropical India. It will not tolerate less than 60 degrees F. It was a non cultivated tree found wild in the woods and forests. Propagated by the wildlife mainly by bats, monkeys, squirrels and birds. Because of it's high quality wood and demand most of the old trees have disappeared. It is a VERY SLOW growing majestic tree. The unripe fruit is green and is skinned and boiled and preserved in brine for later usage in some kind of curries.
You need a hot and humid tropical and 'woody' environment. In your zone 9a you have to build a huge green house with regulated high temperature and humidity throughout the year..
I have been travelling twice a year to those areas in India for the last 50+ years. It's fruiting season is April to June. About 6 years ago while I was visiting India I carefully dug up a 9" seedling from under one of our big A h tree and transplanted about 200 feet or so from the river bank (salty backwater) in our family estate. It is about 7 to 8 feet tall in last March I saw it. Probably it will take another 15 years or so to fruit unlike it's cousin Jack! I will be a centenarian then! I have recommended few horticulturists in that region  to make available some grafted trees. Will find out soon during my next visit what happened. Good luck Signor.
It is slow growing, indeed. Since the last update 1 month ago it has grown probably another 5cm and is around 17-18 cm(top grower) now, against 45cm of a jackfruit in 1 month(top grower).
The fruiting time and cold hardiness is not what I have been told, they told me it fruit in 5 years and is more cold hardy than jackfruit and can survive -2/-3 degrees.

NEW Season fruit seeds from my Farm SALE or Trade...
Wild Jack Fruit seeds (Artocarpus hirsutus) ...
Hari, Can you comment on this?
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: DurianLover on July 27, 2017, 03:37:06 PM
Quite an opposite. A. hirsutus is one of the fastest growing trees out there. One in particular I have,  gains about 1 foot in height every month once settled in ground.
Don't know where you people are pulling this anecdotal cold hardiness "facts", but regions of South India where it grows never experience temps below 10 C ( 50 F).
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: barath on July 28, 2017, 12:24:44 AM
I can't speak to its cold hardiness, but it's actually one of the faster tropicals for me.  Around here, with daytime temperatures usually in the low 70s F in the summer, my wild jack plants are putting out a new fairly large (hand sized) leaf each week.  (Well, the larger ones are -- the smaller ones are slow growing.)  That's pretty good for a tropical.  I doubt it could survive the winter unprotected here, but I don't plan on finding out.  If it's as hardy as normal jackfruit, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on July 28, 2017, 01:00:21 AM
A. hirsutus is VERY FAST growing. It will grow more than 21ft in 3 years.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: Mike T on July 28, 2017, 06:09:08 PM
They will grow at 19 latitude in coastal Australia and handle down to about 5c minimum in places like Mission Beach. When there is a choice of which Artocarpus to grow keledang and pedalai have better fruit and keledang can be kept small. If one of these species gets chopped down or even jackfruit for that matter regrowth foliage has juvenile leaves.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on July 31, 2017, 01:30:34 AM
3 year old Wild jackfruit seedling.

(https://s3.postimg.cc/yo5kd4gib/IMG_20170730_120940.jpg)  (https://s2.postimg.cc/5oxlgy5s9/IMG_20170729_114545.jpg)
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on July 31, 2017, 03:00:10 AM
Seem a lot of different information. I guess we'll see about cold hardiness this year, as I have several seedling in the ground.
Too bad if they don't pick up the pace, the experiment will be quite useless since most of them are a little more than weed and will stand zero chance, wasn't expecting this.

3 year old Wild jackfruit seedling.
Woa, that's huge. When do they start picking up the pace?After one year?

Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on July 31, 2017, 04:56:39 AM
Woa, that's huge. When do they start picking up the pace?After one year?
Yes.
Actually no one ever plants A. hirsutus in its native range (Western Ghats). Seeds sprout naturally during the Monsoon (June - August) and will get some more rain water  during November - December. The seedlings will remain with 4-6 leaves till the next Monsoon. Then they suddenly pickup the pace.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: Triphal on July 31, 2017, 06:57:34 PM
In June 1985 the Livestock Research Station in Tiruvazhamkunnu in Palghat ( now called Palakkad ), Kerala initiated a field experiment planting eight fast growing multi purpose trees including Artocarpus hirsutus. Each of the eight species were planted separately in a lot of 20 m x 20 m and at 2 m x 2 m from each other.
In October 1993 the mean height of the Artocarpus hirsutus were 5.5 m and the age of the trees were 8 years and 6 months.

Is that of Areca palm seedling in the back ground of the second picture? Is it missing in the background of the accompanying first picture? I have planted in zone 13 in Latitude 13 degrees 17 ' 09" N and 74 degrees 44' 40" E in ideal humid, hot tropical monsoon climatic area, two ( not one as I mentioned before ) seedlings of A. hirsutus 6 1/2 years ago. They are about 10 feet tall with a diameter of about 4 inches. At the same time I have planted two A. altilis, one A. camanci and 4 A. heterophylus. Most of them are about 20 feet in height and already fruiting. A. hirsutus seedlings will probably fruit after 15 to 20 years.
One of the two A. hirsutus ( I have to find during my next visit where the other one is ) my brother planted about 45 years ago is about 50 to 55 feet in height and about 12" in diameter. It started fruiting about 15 to 20 years ago. And the yearly temperature there is between 70 F to 90 F with high humidity and ample monsoon rain.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: Triphal on July 31, 2017, 08:09:12 PM
Having keen interest in photography which part of the first photograph of the tree's trunk is the 2nd photograph you posted with a palm behind the bole (trunk)?  In the bare trunk picture with your palm behind it appears to me it is about 6 inches in diameter. For a 3 year old seedling of A. hirsutus it is very hard to believe! Since the value of A. hirsutus wood is in demand and of steep price why don't they go on planting these trees in Kerala than planting rubber trees (Hevea brasiliensis)?
Looking at the bole (trunk) you pictured it appears to me that of a 12 to 15 year old A. hirsutus. Please review my previous posts on this subject. 
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on August 01, 2017, 12:55:38 AM
Is that of Areca palm seedling in the back ground of the second picture? Is it missing in the background of the accompanying first picture?
It is a grass kinda weed, than can be seen in the bottom part of the first picture also.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on August 01, 2017, 01:07:11 AM
Having keen interest in photography which part of the first photograph of the tree's trunk is the 2nd photograph you posted with a palm behind the bole (trunk)?  In the bare trunk picture with your palm behind it appears to me it is about 6 inches in diameter. For a 3 year old seedling of A. hirsutus it is very hard to believe! Since the value of A. hirsutus wood is in demand and of steep price why don't they go on planting these trees in Kerala than planting rubber trees (Hevea brasiliensis)?
Looking at the bole (trunk) you pictured it appears to me that of a 12 to 15 year old A. hirsutus. Please review my previous posts on this subject.
I am holding the trunk about 1ft. from the ground. In the background what you are seeing is not palm seedlings (that are grass kinda weeds, which can be seen in the first picture also).
The tree is 3 years old only. If you can't believe me, please ask the forum member 'DurianLover'. He is growing A. hirsutus in Sri Lanka from seeds I have sent. He reported that the seedlings are very fast growing.
Forum member 'Luc' is also growing Wild jack from my seeds. But, I don't have any updates from him about the growth rate.

A. hirsutus wood is preferred only after Teak and Jackfruit wood in Kerala.  A. hirsutus wood is light weight and at the same time is strong and durable. But, the wood will bend as the weather changes. That is why, it is not used for construction and is used only for making furniture and boats.
Wild jack wood is not grown commercially, and people prefer to grow Teak which can be utilized in 20 years. A. hirsutus takes more years to form the heartwood and the sapwood is of no use. While sapwood of Teak is durable and used to make furniture.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on August 01, 2017, 04:10:30 AM
In June 1985 the Livestock Research Station in Tiruvazhamkunnu in Palghat ( now called Palakkad ), Kerala initiated a field experiment planting eight fast growing multi purpose trees including Artocarpus hirsutus. Each of the eight species were planted separately in a lot of 20 m x 20 m and at 2 m x 2 m from each other.
In October 1993 the mean height of the Artocarpus hirsutus were 5.5 m and the age of the trees were 8 years and 6 months.

Is that of Areca palm seedling in the back ground of the second picture? Is it missing in the background of the accompanying first picture? I have planted in zone 13 in Latitude 13 degrees 17 ' 09" N and 74 degrees 44' 40" E in ideal humid, hot tropical monsoon climatic area, two ( not one as I mentioned before ) seedlings of A. hirsutus 6 1/2 years ago. They are about 10 feet tall with a diameter of about 4 inches. At the same time I have planted two A. altilis, one A. camanci and 4 A. heterophylus. Most of them are about 20 feet in height and already fruiting. A. hirsutus seedlings will probably fruit after 15 to 20 years.
One of the two A. hirsutus ( I have to find during my next visit where the other one is ) my brother planted about 45 years ago is about 50 to 55 feet in height and about 12" in diameter. It started fruiting about 15 to 20 years ago. And the yearly temperature there is between 70 F to 90 F with high humidity and ample monsoon rain.
I don't see the reason why vipinrl should be lying. Maybe there are different cultivars of hirsutus with different growth pace.

This is a facebook post of a guy in portugal with an Artocarpus Hirsutus flowering at 3 years old, with minimum temp of 12 degrees celsius:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/)

EDITED LINK
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on August 01, 2017, 04:31:30 AM
In June 1985 the Livestock Research Station in Tiruvazhamkunnu in Palghat ( now called Palakkad ), Kerala initiated a field experiment planting eight fast growing multi purpose trees including Artocarpus hirsutus. Each of the eight species were planted separately in a lot of 20 m x 20 m and at 2 m x 2 m from each other.
In October 1993 the mean height of the Artocarpus hirsutus were 5.5 m and the age of the trees were 8 years and 6 months.

Is that of Areca palm seedling in the back ground of the second picture? Is it missing in the background of the accompanying first picture? I have planted in zone 13 in Latitude 13 degrees 17 ' 09" N and 74 degrees 44' 40" E in ideal humid, hot tropical monsoon climatic area, two ( not one as I mentioned before ) seedlings of A. hirsutus 6 1/2 years ago. They are about 10 feet tall with a diameter of about 4 inches. At the same time I have planted two A. altilis, one A. camanci and 4 A. heterophylus. Most of them are about 20 feet in height and already fruiting. A. hirsutus seedlings will probably fruit after 15 to 20 years.
One of the two A. hirsutus ( I have to find during my next visit where the other one is ) my brother planted about 45 years ago is about 50 to 55 feet in height and about 12" in diameter. It started fruiting about 15 to 20 years ago. And the yearly temperature there is between 70 F to 90 F with high humidity and ample monsoon rain.
I don't see the reason why vipinrl should be lying. Maybe there are different cultivars of hirsutus with different growth pace.

This is a facebook post of a guy in portugal with an Artocarpus Hirsutus flowering at 3 years old, with minimum temp of 12 degrees celsius:
https://www.facebook.com/search/str/artocarpus%2Bhirsutus/keywords_posts?filters_rp_creation_time=%7B%22name%22%3A%22creation_time%22%2C%22args%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22start_year%5C%22%3A%5C%222017%5C%22%2C%5C%22end_year%5C%22%3A%5C%222017%5C%22%7D%22%7D&esd=eyJlc2lkIjoiUzpfSTcxMDIxODg2MDpWSzoxOTEyMzE2MzkyMzM3NTU4IiwicHNpZCI6eyI3MTAyMTg4NjA6MTkxMjMxNjM5MjMzNzU1OCI6IlV6cGZTVGN4TURJeE9EZzJNRHBXU3pveE9URXlNekUyTXpreU16TTNOVFU0IiwiMTAwMDAwNDk3ODg5NDc2OjEyMjIxNDQ5MDc4NzkxNTEiOiJVenBmU1RFd01EQXdNRFE1TnpnNE9UUTNOanBXU3pveE1qSXlNVFEwT1RBM09EYzVNVFV4In0sImNyY3QiOiJtZWRpYSIsImNzaWQiOiIyYWZkZDU1ZGMzM2VmNzU4MmQ1NzVlZDExYjI1Mjc4MCJ9 (https://www.facebook.com/search/str/artocarpus%2Bhirsutus/keywords_posts?filters_rp_creation_time=%7B%22name%22%3A%22creation_time%22%2C%22args%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22start_year%5C%22%3A%5C%222017%5C%22%2C%5C%22end_year%5C%22%3A%5C%222017%5C%22%7D%22%7D&esd=eyJlc2lkIjoiUzpfSTcxMDIxODg2MDpWSzoxOTEyMzE2MzkyMzM3NTU4IiwicHNpZCI6eyI3MTAyMTg4NjA6MTkxMjMxNjM5MjMzNzU1OCI6IlV6cGZTVGN4TURJeE9EZzJNRHBXU3pveE9URXlNekUyTXpreU16TTNOVFU0IiwiMTAwMDAwNDk3ODg5NDc2OjEyMjIxNDQ5MDc4NzkxNTEiOiJVenBmU1RFd01EQXdNRFE1TnpnNE9UUTNOanBXU3pveE1qSXlNVFEwT1RBM09EYzVNVFV4In0sImNyY3QiOiJtZWRpYSIsImNzaWQiOiIyYWZkZDU1ZGMzM2VmNzU4MmQ1NzVlZDExYjI1Mjc4MCJ9)
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on August 01, 2017, 05:16:10 AM
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.
I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920 (http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920)
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/)
He should be a member here too.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on August 01, 2017, 05:59:20 AM
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.
I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920 (http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920)
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/)
He should be a member here too.
Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on August 01, 2017, 06:21:19 AM
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.
I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920 (http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920)
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/)
He should be a member here too.
Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!
Why do you think so?
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on August 01, 2017, 06:43:58 AM
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.
I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920 (http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920)
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/)
He should be a member here too.
Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!
Why do you think so?
In the picture, the flowers are round. But, A. hirsutus flowers are cylindrical (much more elongated than that of Jackfruit).
Also, the leaves look different.

A picture compilation of Wild Jack is given below. The image is already there in some previous posts of the Forum.
(https://s4.postimg.cc/bkatzexvh/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 00christian00 on August 01, 2017, 07:08:59 AM

The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.
I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920 (http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920)
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/)
He should be a member here too.
Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!
Why do you think so?
In the picture, the flowers are round. But, A. hirsutus flowers are cylindrical (much more elongated than that of Jackfruit).
Also, the leaves look different.

A picture compilation of Wild Jack is given below. The image is already there in some previous posts of the Forum.
(https://s4.postimg.cc/bkatzexvh/image.jpg)


Your seed looks much different than mine, yours resemble a lot jackfruit, while mine are smaller and more elongated.
I think being a wild species there is a lot of diversity.
The guy who sold me the seeds had multiple varieties (different fruits) and the seeds were quite different and recognizable. Now however the seedlings are all the same and I can't distinguish them.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on August 01, 2017, 07:17:01 AM

The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.
I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920 (http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920)
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/)
He should be a member here too.
Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!
Why do you think so?
In the picture, the flowers are round. But, A. hirsutus flowers are cylindrical (much more elongated than that of Jackfruit).
Also, the leaves look different.

A picture compilation of Wild Jack is given below. The image is already there in some previous posts of the Forum.
(https://s4.postimg.cc/bkatzexvh/image.jpg)


Your seed looks much different than mine, yours resemble a lot jackfruit, while mine are smaller and more elongated.
I think being a wild species there is a lot of diversity.
The guy who sold me the seeds had multiple varieties (different fruits) and the seeds were quite different and recognizable. Now however the seedlings are all the same and I can't distinguish them.
Yes, the shape and size of seeds vary from tree to tree. Actually, the seeds shown in the picture are also small (it only appears large as the photo was taken zoomed in).
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on July 30, 2018, 01:40:18 AM
3 year old Wild jackfruit seedling.

(https://s3.postimg.cc/yo5kd4gib/IMG_20170730_120940.jpg)  (https://s2.postimg.cc/5oxlgy5s9/IMG_20170729_114545.jpg)

The same tree after a year (4 years from seed). Now, it is about 30+ft.

(https://s8.postimg.cc/wa7x07xs5/IMG_20180729_163829.jpg)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/5qfbxwa1h/IMG_20180729_163914_800x600.jpg)
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: EvilFruit on July 30, 2018, 04:56:25 PM
vipinrl,

Do you know if Artocarpus Hirsutus fruit is available at Tamil-Nadu state ?.

I do know that Jackfruit is Called Palaa Palum in Tamil and Chakka in Malayalam, But got no Idea what Artocarpus Hirsutus is called in Tamil.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: shafak on July 30, 2018, 11:29:25 PM
Moh'd, it's available in Tamil Nadu.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2070588482956165&id=100000151002593 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2070588482956165&id=100000151002593)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=608914339244483&substory_index=0&id=566188403517077 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=608914339244483&substory_index=0&id=566188403517077)
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on July 31, 2018, 12:10:13 AM
vipinrl,

Do you know if Artocarpus Hirsutus fruit is available at Tamil-Nadu state ?.

I do know that Jackfruit is Called Palaa Palum in Tamil and Chakka in Malayalam, But got no Idea what Artocarpus Hirsutus is called in Tamil.

Usually called Aiyinipila in Tamil. The Malayalam name Anjili is also used in Tamil.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: EvilFruit on August 02, 2018, 07:51:49 AM
Thank you very much Guys.

I will try to ask someone from Tamil Nadu state to bring a wild jackfruit fruit to me.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: shafak on August 02, 2018, 09:59:38 AM
Moh'd, are you going to ask them to bring the whole fruit to UAE?  I've been trying for the past several years without any luck to have a whole fruit bought to Chennai.  One of my relative has some friends in Thodupuzha who have some trees at their places.  Even they are unable to send whole fruit.  BTW, are you from Tamil Nadu?

I will try to ask someone from Tamil Nadu state to bring a wild jackfruit fruit to me.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: EvilFruit on August 02, 2018, 02:58:44 PM
Moh'd, are you going to ask them to bring the whole fruit to UAE?  I've been trying for the past several years without any luck to have a whole fruit bought to Chennai.  One of my relative has some friends in Thodupuzha who have some trees at their places.  Even they are unable to send whole fruit.  BTW, are you from Tamil Nadu?

I will try to ask someone from Tamil Nadu state to bring a wild jackfruit fruit to me.

I'm a local (UAE) Guy .

My father have a small-medium size company that is specialized in importing and exporting goods from India and Australia and to the Arabian Peninsula, and one of his business partner was a guy from Trichy-Tamil Nadu (if i am not mistaken) And that guy usually brings a whole jackfruit when he visit us.

I also know a few guys from Bangladesh, Pakistan and Kerala.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: shafak on August 02, 2018, 04:01:17 PM
Yes.  Trichy is in Tamil Nadu.  BTW, when I saw your request for Tamil name, I assumed you were from here  :blank: .  So, the above two links from FB that I posted would mean nothing to you.  This fruit is available further south of even Trichy.  In Kanyakumari - the southern most tip of India.  In one of the links above - the one where the man is carrying the fruits hanging on two sides of the pole, the author claims that this is the way this fruit has to be carried.  If packed in any carton or boxes, the fruit won't last even a single day. 



I'm a local (UAE) Guy .

My father have a small-medium size company that is specialized in importing and exporting goods from India and Australia and to the Arabian Peninsula, and one of his business partner was a guy from Trichy-Tamil Nadu (if i am not mistaken) And that guy usually brings a whole jackfruit when he visit us.

I also know a few guys from Bangladesh, Pakistan and Kerala.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on August 03, 2018, 03:44:53 AM
Yes.  Trichy is in Tamil Nadu.  BTW, when I saw your request for Tamil name, I assumed you were from here  :blank: .  So, the above two links from FB that I posted would mean nothing to you.  This fruit is available further south of even Trichy.  In Kanyakumari - the southern most tip of India.  In one of the links above - the one where the man is carrying the fruits hanging on two sides of the pole, the author claims that this is the way this fruit has to be carried.  If packed in any carton or boxes, the fruit won't last even a single day. 



I'm a local (UAE) Guy .

My father have a small-medium size company that is specialized in importing and exporting goods from India and Australia and to the Arabian Peninsula, and one of his business partner was a guy from Trichy-Tamil Nadu (if i am not mistaken) And that guy usually brings a whole jackfruit when he visit us.

I also know a few guys from Bangladesh, Pakistan and Kerala.

I had tasted fruits from atleast 50 Wild jackfruit trees and found only fruits from 5 - 6 tress really good to eat.
Fruits from rest of the trees were between 'eatable' to 'not palatable' due to latex, sourness and lesser flesh to seed ratio. Most of the fruits were small in size too.
There are two trees producing exceptionally good fruits and I rate them above good quality jackfruits. The fruits weigh upto 800 grams, no latex when fully ripe, large bulbs with smaller seeds and taste excellent.

I had tasted fruits from road side vendors many times and was disappointed.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on February 10, 2020, 12:49:43 AM
3 year old Wild jackfruit seedling.

(https://s3.postimg.cc/yo5kd4gib/IMG_20170730_120940.jpg)  (https://s2.postimg.cc/5oxlgy5s9/IMG_20170729_114545.jpg)

The same tree after a year (4 years from seed). Now, it is about 30+ft.

(https://s8.postimg.cc/wa7x07xs5/IMG_20180729_163829.jpg)

The same tree after 5.5 years from seed. Now, it is about 45+ft and fruited for the first time  :).

(https://i.postimg.cc/vZGnxBNM/IMG-20200209-170800.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Wz63smjZ/IMG-20200209-170654.jpg)

Wild jackfruit from seed to fruit: 5 years and 6 months  8)
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: ben mango on November 27, 2020, 06:36:30 PM
How is the quality of fruit vipin? This wild jack was planted around 5 year ago on a friends land in HI, still no fruit

(https://i.postimg.cc/0jfZc6Ht/8-D92-B15-E-FE06-455-A-8-DA6-D3-B277-BA9-B33.jpg)
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: Mike T on November 27, 2020, 07:09:27 PM
Oh yeah they get big and pictured trees still look adolescent. A pedalai would have been even bigger. There are a few SE Asian species that look a bit like hirsutus that I think taste better. Keledang looks a bit different and is a smaller, faster producing tree and don't eat these with keledang to avoid disappointment.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on November 27, 2020, 08:34:45 PM
How is the quality of fruit vipin? This wild jack was planted around 5 year ago on a friends land in HI, still no fruit

(https://i.postimg.cc/0jfZc6Ht/8-D92-B15-E-FE06-455-A-8-DA6-D3-B277-BA9-B33.jpg)
The yellow-orange arils tasted very good. Literally no latex when ripe! Avarage sized fruits.
But, the number of arils inside the fruits where less in number. Hollow pockets were there inside the husk. I think, this issue will be solved in couple of years as the tree matures.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: ben mango on November 30, 2020, 01:37:10 AM
Oh yeah they get big and pictured trees still look adolescent. A pedalai would have been even bigger. There are a few SE Asian species that look a bit like hirsutus that I think taste better. Keledang looks a bit different and is a smaller, faster producing tree and don't eat these with keledang to avoid disappointment.

It’s nice to appreciate it for what it is without the need to compare. Hawaii should have more artocarpus species growing and people would be able to appreciate the differences and diversity. Everyone’s preferences are different
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: Mike T on November 30, 2020, 05:09:20 AM
Ben on reflection you are correct and I got a little carried away there. There are a respectable fruit and not everything is a pomological pageant.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: DurianLover on March 28, 2022, 06:03:47 AM
How is the quality of fruit vipin? This wild jack was planted around 5 year ago on a friends land in HI, still no fruit

(https://i.postimg.cc/0jfZc6Ht/8-D92-B15-E-FE06-455-A-8-DA6-D3-B277-BA9-B33.jpg)

Ben, tell your friend to cut this tree dramatically at about 5-6 feet, than you get well branched bushy tree, like I have done in pictures below.  He doesn't  want tall ornamental timber tree I assume ?  :) Mine fruits on a very tip of outside thin branches. You cannot climb the tree to pick up fruits.

Also, this is very fast growing tree, Something is wrong with your friend's tree's vigour.

(https://i.postimg.cc/CLtrNF6C/20220328-1401581.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VkJ6xFgQ/20220328-135034-1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: ben mango on March 28, 2022, 06:51:34 PM
That’s a nice looking tree you have there. Did you get to try the fruit yet? Thoughts?
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: DurianLover on April 02, 2022, 01:52:43 AM
That’s a nice looking tree you have there. Did you get to try the fruit yet? Thoughts?

Wasn't here to try last year, but got first one few days ago. Apparently they are very variable according to Indian friends. I got seeds from vipin, superior strain. The fruit itself is indeed very nice flavor. Taste like mango and jackfruit fusion with apricot flavor. But I'm inclined towards practical side, and overall disappointed judging by other points. Fruit is very small, competently filled with seeds and thin flesh. There is almost nothing to eat. I could not reach any fruit by hand. Even after climbing to the very top to pick this one, branches get dangerously thin to go any further to reach by hand.  All fruits hanging closer to the top at the end of thin branches. Marang is far superior overall. With tree shape training you can pick couple dozen 8 times bigger fruits just few feet above the ground.

(https://i.postimg.cc/7Zr4GR04/20220401-1442241.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JGxvSPpY)

But apparantly they are magnificent forest trees, so planted few seeds in the forest to next to other real very tall "wild jackfruit" trees :)

(https://i.postimg.cc/W3T6dsbZ/20220401-1501362.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyCrVqXG)
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: vipinrl on April 02, 2022, 04:40:34 AM
Hi Rytis,

Just wait for few more years, fruit size will increase. Fruits in the mother tree weigh around 3/4kg. Thickness of flesh in arils vary from tree to tree. Taste is also not predictable in seedlings. My seedling have lots of fruit in the lower branches that I can pluck by hand from ground. Fruit size is just ok with very few arils inside! I hope fruits will be better this year.

One more thing I want to point out is that the fruit shown the picture is not fully formed. This usually happens in younger plants and in the absence of adequate pollination.

So, my point is that don't rule out your Wild jackfruit plant, if the taste is good. Taste is not going to change that much in years; but rain during fruiting season can definitely ruin the party.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: Mango Stein on April 02, 2022, 07:59:36 AM
I will just add that the other big advantage of Anjili (A. hirsutus) is that it has some cold tolerance whereas tarap (marang) has none.
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: DurianLover on April 02, 2022, 08:18:54 AM
Hi Rytis,

Just wait for few more years, fruit size will increase. Fruits in the mother tree weigh around 3/4kg. Thickness of flesh in arils vary from tree to tree. Taste is also not predictable in seedlings. My seedling have lots of fruit in the lower branches that I can pluck by hand from ground. Fruit size is just ok with very few arils inside! I hope fruits will be better this year.

One more thing I want to point out is that the fruit shown the picture is not fully formed. This usually happens in younger plants and in the absence of adequate pollination.

So, my point is that don't rule out your Wild jackfruit plant, if the taste is good. Taste is not going to change that much in years; but rain during fruiting season can definitely ruin the party.

Ok, thank you for letting us know.  I do have another very big  Anjali nearby that has not fruited, so maybe cross pollination will help. All fruits are this size like in a picture. Not growing in size. Hopefully bigger fruits and closer to the ground in future :)
Title: Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
Post by: 8ofGac on June 27, 2022, 06:15:01 PM
Does anyone sell seeds for this variety send pm .