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The closest I've come to seeing similar foliage on seedlings I've grown has been when I over fertilized on one occasion and used Coconut Coir as seed starting media on another occasion. Unless Coconut Coir is properly buffered it can harbor high salt content, which I understand must be buffered rather than rinsed out.In both cases I was able to salvage some of the seedlings by unpotting them and rinsing them before replanting them into fresh media of different composition.

I strongly suspect your plants were exposed to some sort of nutritional imbalance. Another possibility might be light deprivation during the earlier phases of germination.

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The 100% Zygotic seedling figure is interesting, not merely because it increases the number of potential plants under evaluation, but more importantly, it eliminates expending resources on clones that can't contribute to the goal of edible zone 6 Citrus.
It's not unusual to have a population of seedlings in mixed Zygotic/Nucellar plantings that are difficult to place definitively in the correct grouping.
In regards to these seeds, hopefully they're mature enough to germinate.

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Here's a photo of the Starburst pomelo seedlings that I'm starting to grow. All appear to have normal chlorophyll.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: PT-plusXValentine cross
« on: December 30, 2023, 09:02:08 AM »
Ilya, what time duration do you subject the seedlings to -8C? Do you do any cold pre-exposure prior to the testing? Your procedure certainly could reduce time, space and materials expended on doomed seedlings. Thanks

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Being a slightly immature F¹ Poncirus hybrid, I didn't detect any sweetness, Second generation seedlings might have a percentage of sweeter fruiting selections as well as hardier individuals.

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There were self pollinated as well as cross pollinated fruits. The cross pollinated fruits tended to be slightly larger.

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Albino seedlings can be avoided by using an appropriate Fungicide, or removing the seedcoat at the time of planting.

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1279 fruits and seeds. The fruits weren't totally ripe, but neither the rind nor the juice had much Poncirus taste or fragrance. The predominant flavor was indicative of Mandarin. There were many empty seed coats and partially filled seeds. The majority of the seeds were tan in color, with a lower percentage of green seeds. When the juice was diluted and sweetened there was no discernable Poncirus initial taste, nor aftertaste. The flavors weren't exactly Mandarin with a bit of an underripe effect. There were an average of 6.8 plump seeds per fruit, disregarding the tiny seedless fruit.
















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I haven't opened them yet, I'll do so within the next 2 weeks.

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Yes, there are 6 or 7 fruits. They're rather small and also late to color. I'll be opening them within the next 2 weeks. Bishop survived with less damage than 1279 during the past Winter. I'll try to post a few photos when I open them.


1279 fruits picked in late December 2023.

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Starburst fruit are high quality indeed. The ones I purchased had an average of 2 seeds per fruit.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: bonsai kumquat has a nice crop
« on: December 25, 2023, 12:44:17 PM »
Beautiful, healthy tree, Congratulations!

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: C35 Citrange
« on: December 24, 2023, 03:09:56 AM »
Excellent photos, great clarity showing details of the fruits, foliage and tree form. I've forwarded some of the pictures to a German colleague and he's leaning towards Carrizo Citrange, largely due to the short and broad central leaflet. The deep orange color is in strong contrast to the bright yellow color of my potential C-35 fruits.


Possible C-35 Citrange rinds. Clear yellow without appreciable orange tint.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: C-35 fruits
« on: December 21, 2023, 03:24:59 PM »
In my experience the tree that might be C-35 is much more vigorous. The fruits are probably 3-4 times as large and about a third of them are seedless. The average seed count was 6 seeds per fruit. My Collins trifoliate has about 30 seeds per fruit and has modest juiciness in contrast to the fruit in question, which has abundant juice. If the tree you're looking at is over 70 years old it may be a different citrange. as C-35 and C-32 were bred in 1951. Perhaps it's Troyer or Carrizo?

The online C-35 fruit photos appear considerably seedier than my fruit, but pollination was probably less than ideal.


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Is the tape being removed prematurely, before the healing process is completed? In such a case the edges of the bud union peel back and desiccation destroys the graft. Erring on the side of caution (patience) may save many of these. I'm speaking from previous experience.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: C-35 fruits
« on: December 20, 2023, 03:26:39 AM »
C-35 is strongly trifoliate,as is my tree in question. F¹ Poncirus-Citrus hybrids are usually trifoliate, although there may be exceptions. A percentage of F² seedlings of the F¹ hybrids exhibit mixed leaf types including monofoliate leaves.


Photo of a zygotic seedling (F³) with C-35 as a grandparent. This plant exhibits monofoliate as well as bi foliate and trifoliate leaves. This is a Conestoga 010 seedling, likely self-pollinated.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: C-35 fruits
« on: December 18, 2023, 05:21:23 PM »
Yes, this is one of the factors that leads me to be uncertain as to it's identity. The only reason I contemplate it being C-35 is that during the outdoor trial some of the seedlings root-grafted to one another. Subsequently, it appeared that some of the hardiest F² seedlings roots enabled F¹ seedlings to survive.

However, there's no definitive proof of this occurrence in this particular case. The low seed count seems to be a lower than C-35 seed count (6 vs 9 average seeds per fruit. Also, one third of the fruits were completely seedless. Unfortunately, I have no first hand experience with the fruiting habits of C-35, unless this tree is indeed C-35.

I'm doing a seedling test to determine if the C-35 Zygotic seed percentage of 15% is replicated among these seedlings. If this selection is not C-35, it could contribute fruit size and tree vigor, low seed count and juiciness to its progeny. On the negative side is the fruits high acidity and unremarkable flavor. The Poncirus flavors aren't overwhelming, but there's also nothing remarkably Citrus-like in its flavor.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: C-35 fruits
« on: December 18, 2023, 09:05:43 AM »







Several photos of the fruit on and off the tree.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: December 12, 2023, 10:59:17 AM »
2 were past peak in juiciness, especially the largest one. The smaller ones had more juice and better flavor.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: December 11, 2023, 05:22:38 PM »




Bishop Citrandarin fruits measure 12 Brix and have discernable sweetness combined with agreeable acid taste. It's the most edible selection to survive outdoors last Winter in our zone 6b climate. The fruit and juice are highly colored.
I'm not the originator of this tree, merely a fortunate collector/breeder and propagator.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: from grafting to flowering
« on: December 09, 2023, 06:39:06 AM »
 One consideration is the position of the tree from which the scionwood was taken. Low positions will be more inclined to exhibit juvenile characteristics. This is especially true for cuttings and scionwood taken from seedling trees, but applies to a lesser degree to cloned trees. Partial reversion to juvenile phase is seen in suckers and water sprouts.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: December 08, 2023, 04:11:00 PM »
Close up photo of Conestoga 121 a 5 year outside survivor exhibiting quite low thorniness. This selection isn't the very hardiest, but is unique nevertheless for its relative thornless habit. Unfortunately, it's evergreen making it susceptible to desiccating Winter winds.

 

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: December 05, 2023, 06:05:58 PM »
Interesting Millet, what are the dimensions of your enclosure? Mine has 5 gallons of water per square foot of glazing. Greater insulation value would be beneficial for mine; such as ground perimeter rigid foam board and rolling insulated curtains on the roof glazing. My previous Solar greenhouses never got ice inside except for the roof surface. This one may need a bit of supplemental heat.


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: December 05, 2023, 04:28:48 PM »


Solar shelter used for overwintering potted citrus, even Poncirus is vulnerable in pots. There's just a bit shy of 2,000 gallons of water in this enclosure. Auxillary heat is available to prevent the water in the barrels from freezing and splitting. There should be minimal, if any heat needed above 10°F outside temperature. The enclosure measures 12' x 24'. The barrels and walkway take up a considerable amount of space

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: November 30, 2023, 01:44:45 PM »

Variation in cold sensitivity among Bishop Citrandarin seedlings



Grafted Conestoga 011, 010, 006 and 001 Segentranges have built up some caliper. A number of these flowered late in the Summer and should fruit next year.


US 1279 Fruits struggle to attain size and color this late in the season.
 

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