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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #175 on: July 02, 2019, 03:32:25 PM »
I see another green bud trying to grow out of the Ten Degree, but none of the other previous buds managed to survive. The plant itself looks like a healthy green color, despite the vissible damage, but still no leaves.

Another cold day today, 61, though it was 82 yesterday.

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #176 on: July 06, 2019, 09:11:35 PM »
the very small keraji seedling, recovering from the winter damage and the top accidentally being cut off of it. Less than an inch high but four small leaves on it



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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #177 on: July 11, 2019, 11:54:18 AM »
So that little fellow made it without bring on a root stook. Go Keraji!
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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #178 on: July 11, 2019, 06:21:22 PM »
So that little fellow made it without bring on a root stook. Go Keraji!
Yes, although it was covered, with a cut out clear plastic water bottle. Though it was a colder Winter than usual here and the covering was buried in snow. The top of the seedling almost completely got killed back, though one little leaf at the very bottom of the stem appeared to survive until April. And I do believe that leaf grew just a tiny little bit bigger. Unfortunatley due to an accident, the seedling got cut back down even lower towards the ground, so it lost that one tiny leaf that had survived through the winter. So what you are seeing now are little tiny leaves that have regrown since the start of July.

Another Keraji seedling that was somewhat bigger did not survive. It was also covered, but planted in a colder spot in the yard that did not get much winter sun (with the low angle of the sun in the winter making that spot more shady).

I know this may be a lot of detail, but all this specific detail is important to be able to infer things about exact level of cold hardiness.

The seedling that survived was maybe 5 inches tall, while the seedling that did not survive was maybe 6 or 7 inches tall.
 The first seedling was killed back by the late February freeze to only 1 inch of live green stem, that was half brown on one side, but still had a tiny green leaf on the other side. Due to an accident, it then got cut down even lower, to maybe three-fourths of an inch.

So what this seems to show is that small Keraji seedlings, on their own roots, will probably not survive here very well, even when given some light cover. But it's probably just on the border of what they are able to survive.

I don't know if these experimental observations may be useful to someone else in another climate.

My limited experiments certainly seemed to suggest that Keraji has a little less cold hardiness than Yuzu.

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #179 on: July 11, 2019, 06:34:54 PM »
Here's the little leaflet growth coming out of the Ten Degree tangerine.



I held up a piece of fabric as a background so the tiny green bud could be better seen.

Although this particular branch the bud is growing on is grey, most of the rest of the branches look like a healthy live green color.

So this shows that Ten Degree can technically survive through a cold winter here, although it has really not been doing well.

That tiny leaflet you see in the picture is the only leaf it has right now.

Maybe someone reading this can use these observations to gain some better inference about Ten Degree's level of cold hardiness.

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #180 on: July 14, 2019, 04:24:33 PM »
keraji seedling, leaves are a little bigger, putting on new growth



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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #181 on: July 18, 2019, 08:33:17 PM »
keraji



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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #182 on: July 29, 2019, 03:56:36 PM »
yuzu seedling that is recovering



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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #183 on: July 29, 2019, 07:25:09 PM »
The bigger Yuzu has put on a growth spurt


Here's the Bloomsweet

The leaves have greened up a bit, but still don't look like the healthiest dark hue of green.

The Ten Degree still doesn't really have any leaves on it, but is alive. There's a tiny little deformed twisted leaflet that doesn't look very good, and the very beginnings of a leaf bud on another branch. The branches look a healthy green, besides from the streaks of grey from the winter damage, and the dead branches. Several of the little branches are mostly grey, looking dead, but have some green on the outer tips.

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #184 on: August 03, 2019, 12:00:35 AM »
little Keraji seedling that is still recovering but growing



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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #185 on: August 13, 2019, 10:24:57 PM »
The little Yuzu seedling has recovered to about the same size it was this time last year.



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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #186 on: August 25, 2019, 10:19:07 PM »
Here's the yuzu seedling. It's bigger than it was this time last year.


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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #187 on: September 04, 2019, 08:31:01 PM »
The little keraji seedling is beginning to put on some more growth


The yuzu seedling is now 10 inches tall and looks very healthy.

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #188 on: September 05, 2019, 06:48:51 PM »
Here's the Yuzu seedling, almost 11 inches tall now, looks very healthy



So far throughout this year it has recovered well from the severe winter damage.

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #189 on: September 24, 2019, 08:01:29 PM »
I know probably none of you will care, I'm mostly just doing this for my own reference, but here's my tiny little Keraji seedling, now an inch and a half tall.


Of course it isn't much, but it proves how much a tiny little seedling, on its own roots, can regrow after a cold winter and after being killed to the ground.

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #190 on: September 25, 2019, 02:26:07 PM »
Here's the Bloomsweet



The leaves are looking a healthier green, but unfortunately it is not looking quite as big as it was last year.

I know it doesn't look like much but showing some of these smaller marginal hardiness varieties can help set a good reference point for what is able to survive here.

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #191 on: October 01, 2019, 08:03:45 PM »
Here are the latest pictures of the Yuzu and Keraji seedlings that are recovering from last winter.

Yuzu

It's a little over 12 inches tall now.

Keraji

Maybe only one and a half inches high, but many leaves.

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #192 on: October 02, 2019, 10:37:59 AM »
Your trees have survived, but what is going to happen to them this next winter?  Is this barely hanging on situation going to occur again and again?

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #193 on: October 02, 2019, 03:45:54 PM »
I know probably none of you will care, I'm mostly just doing this for my own reference, but here's my tiny little Keraji seedling, now an inch and a half tall.


Of course it isn't much, but it proves how much a tiny little seedling, on its own roots, can regrow after a cold winter and after being killed to the ground.

I am interested to see your experiment. I replicate it with grafted trees in the same zone as you. Your growth rate is very slow, I prefer to grow them fast and strong then plant them outside.

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #194 on: October 04, 2019, 02:17:49 PM »
The Bullocks brothers permaculture orchard in Orcas Island, WA state is growing a few Yuzu citrus in ground. They are completely unprotected and are producing a lot of fruit.

They also grow many loquat trees from seed. A couple produce good quality fruit.

Bob Duncan in Victoria, BC, Canada grows Meyer Lemon in ground with just a bit of overhead protection and minimal extra protection (Reemay fabric and christmas lights when we get those arctic blasts).
His trees are always loaded with hundreds of fruit and appear to be as fruitful as any I've seen in California.
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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #195 on: December 15, 2019, 07:44:15 PM »
picture of the yuzu seedling, Dec 15, 2019



It's about 14 inches tall now.



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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #196 on: December 16, 2019, 07:59:29 AM »
Will the Yuzu seedling have to reach 10 feet tall or more before fruiting?

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #197 on: December 17, 2019, 01:53:01 AM »
Will the Yuzu seedling have to reach 10 feet tall or more before fruiting?
That's a good question. I'm not totally sure. I think they will begin fruiting on their own roots somewhere between 5 to 7 feet. Yuzu does have a little bit of a natural dwarfed growth habit. Not extremely so, but in Japan the old trees do not get much higher than around 10 or 14 feet.
Of course, in this cooler climate they may have to reach a bigger size until they have enough vigor to fruit.

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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #198 on: December 23, 2019, 05:24:29 AM »
« Last Edit: December 23, 2019, 05:37:58 AM by will2358 »
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Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« Reply #199 on: January 13, 2020, 12:43:38 AM »
A light snow began falling for the first time this Winter.
January 12 (2020).
Hoping for a mild winter, but not expecting it.
I'm expecting the coldest temperatures will come in mid-January to the first ten days of February.