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Title: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on February 28, 2013, 01:59:57 AM
Here is a photo of my young plant:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/PerseaSchiedeana.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/PerseaSchiedeanaYoungPlant.jpg)
This is a type from Guatemala, where it is known as chucte. In Mexico it is known as chinene. Here is some good info on it, including photos of fruits:
http://www.underutilized-species.org/documents/publications/perseaschiedeana.pdf (http://www.underutilized-species.org/documents/publications/perseaschiedeana.pdf)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Fruitguy on February 28, 2013, 10:07:35 AM
Excellent article link.  I was interested in this species years back due to its reported coconut flavor, but I never got around to growing it.   The USDA in Miami has a specimen http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1471514 (http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1471514) and while this link indicates it is available for distribution, I wonder if it is currently so due to the laurel wilt?

Oscar is your plant grafted or is it a seedling?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Guanabanus on February 28, 2013, 10:22:30 AM
Another Avocado relative, not often mentioned as a fruit, is cinnamon--- very small, green-fleshed, oily and spicey.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on February 28, 2013, 04:03:05 PM
Excellent article link.  I was interested in this species years back due to its reported coconut flavor, but I never got around to growing it.   The USDA in Miami has a specimen [url]http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1471514[/url] ([url]http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/display.pl?1471514[/url]) and while this link indicates it is available for distribution, I wonder if it is currently so due to the laurel wilt?

Oscar is your plant grafted or is it a seedling?


I grew it from seed. There are no trees here that i know of. May try grafting it later onto avocado, Has anyone tasted fruits from that tree in Miami?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on February 28, 2013, 04:22:17 PM
Another Avocado relative, not often mentioned as a fruit, is cinnamon--- very small, green-fleshed, oily and spicey.

Got a cinnamon tree flowering right now. Cinnamon is such a distant relative that it's hard to see it as an avocado relative. Very different from the avocado-like chucte.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: ScottR on February 28, 2013, 10:22:54 PM
Very interesting fruit with some saying it taste like coconut wow, but then with others in mexico thinking it taste like avo-onion? Have you ever tasted this fruit Oscar, any guest on hardiness?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on February 28, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
Very interesting fruit with some saying it taste like coconut wow, but then with others in mexico thinking it taste like avo-onion? Have you ever tasted this fruit Oscar, any guest on hardiness?

Have never seen it or tasted it. Apparently there is a lot of variation from very good to not so good. I hope i got one of the good ones. 8)Did you notice in that article i linked to that they said they sell for higher price than avocados, and many prefer them to Hass?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: HawaiiFruitGrower on February 28, 2013, 10:34:37 PM
hey oscar, what are your hours for your nursery? i will be up on the big island from october 17 through 24, i was wanting to come and visit your nursery and check it out and possibly looking for some trees. i am looking for a black sapote, purple star apple, maprang, and some other tree to plant at my grandpas, if you do have are the grafted or air layered? and how much? thanks!
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: HawaiiFruitGrower on February 28, 2013, 10:37:29 PM
wait my bad ment march, next month! ;D
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on February 28, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
I'm only open by appointment. PM me or email me and will discuss it.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: ScottR on February 28, 2013, 10:53:39 PM
Makes since they would cost more being that there not grown as plentiful as avocados. Very intriguing fruit. 8) 
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on February 28, 2013, 11:00:02 PM
Makes since they would cost more being that there not grown as plentiful as avocados. Very intriguing fruit. 8)

Not sure if that's true as most trees grow wild, so there might be more around than you think.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Sanddollarmoon on September 29, 2013, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Jay Bost
...During a visit to the Chinantla area of Oaxaca, the author was told by numerous farmers that few purposely plant chinene as it takes so long to bear fruit from seed. In fact, local legend has it that one will die when a planted tree begins to bear...

How long exactly does this take to fruit, with most persea americana taking eight to twenty years to bear? We need you around to sell seeds, Oscar, I suggest you find scions for this one. But wow, what a beautiful plant! That is a very interesting document, I downloaded it to my kindle.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on September 30, 2013, 12:31:10 AM
Quote from: Jay Bost
...During a visit to the Chinantla area of Oaxaca, the author was told by numerous farmers that few purposely plant chinene as it takes so long to bear fruit from seed. In fact, local legend has it that one will die when a planted tree begins to bear...

How long exactly does this take to fruit, with most persea americana taking eight to twenty years to bear? We need you around to sell seeds, Oscar, I suggest you find scions for this one. But wow, what a beautiful plant! That is a very interesting document, I downloaded it to my kindle.

This tree is growing full steam ahead. It's about 4x the size now than in my previous photo. So that means i could sell scions to anyone interested. Probably can be grafted fine onto avocado rootstock. I'm guessing at least 10 years before it fruits from seed. My tree is only about 2 years old and is about 7 feet tall now.
BTW, is the tree at USDA Chapman field Miami fruiting? Has anyone got to try the fruit? Is there a tree at F&S?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: davidgarcia899 on October 30, 2014, 05:36:04 PM
Hey Oscar, how's yours chucte doing?

I got some budwood from the USDA and I tried grafting it onto avocado seedlings. I'm gonna ask Chris tomorrow if he has a tree at F&S.

Would you be interested to trade some budwood if I get mine to take?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on October 30, 2014, 05:46:45 PM
Hey Oscar, how's yours chucte doing?

I got some budwood from the USDA and I tried grafting it onto avocado seedlings. I'm gonna ask Chris tomorrow if he has a tree at F&S.

Would you be interested to trade some budwood if I get mine to take?
Hi David, my chucte is growing very rapidly. I recently topped it to keep it from getting absurdly tall. It's a good idea to graft onto mature avocado rootstock as word has it that seedling chucte takes something like 15+ years to fruit. Yes can trade budwood with you.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: davidgarcia899 on October 30, 2014, 06:17:19 PM
Well the accession entry for the USDA says they got the budwood in 1993 from Israel. So my guess is that it had fruited and that its a selection. I actually meant to ask Mike Winterstein if it had fruited for them, but I forgot to ask when I saw him.

If and when my grafts take i'll let you know
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on October 30, 2014, 07:49:42 PM
Here's a photo i took about 3 months ago. The tree is between 15-20 feet tall now.
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/PerseaSchiedeanaTree.jpg)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Raulglezruiz on October 30, 2014, 08:22:24 PM
Luc share some fruits with me; I have never tasted before; he mention it taste like smoked ham & cream cheese; or foe gras; wathever its spelled; to my sur prise when I taste it it really taste like that! Dif. Than avocado; also notice that this is like durian a hot fruit; and avocado is a cooling fruit; for the body I mean; my seedling us just sprouting
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: davidgarcia899 on October 30, 2014, 09:08:26 PM
Is yours sourced from a good tree Oscar? I read that they might be able to be crossed with avocado.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on October 30, 2014, 10:18:15 PM
Is yours sourced from a good tree Oscar? I read that they might be able to be crossed with avocado.
Supposed to be good. Source tree from Guatemala. So definitely different than what you got. But no guarantee how seedling will turn out. Like with avocado there is going to be variation from seed.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: barath on October 31, 2014, 12:36:31 PM
I got really excited about the idea of an Avocado relative that tastes like the cross between and Avocado and a Coconut, so I did a lot of digging into this earlier this year.  There's a guy named Jay Bost at University of Hawaii who went to the native region and visited many small towns asking about it, and wrote a couple of research papers on it.  He also got folks from towns in the region to bring their best fruit for a tasting event.  The thing is, I don't know if anything happened with the seeds from that fruit -- whether they planted seeds from the best fruit or not.

I also asked about the history of the specimens that were in the University of California collection.  There was a small grove of them planted at UCLA in the early 1900s but it seems that they were lost or cut down when UCLA stopped being the main site for the agriculture collections.  I emailed the CRFG list and got (indirectly) a reply from Julie Frink at the UC field station in Irvine, and she said:

"We have an avocado that it called G755C and is an avocado X Schiedeana that was going to be tried as a root rot resistant rootstock.  The tree gets huge, does flower, but hasn't had any fruit, at least in the last 22 years."

I think it'd be exciting to find and propagate two types of schiedeana -- one line that's more of the onion-y flavor and one line that's more of the coconut-y flavor.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on January 22, 2017, 06:27:39 AM
Happy to report that my chucte just started flowering at about 6 years of age, and is about 25 feet tall, even though i topped it once already.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Finca La Isla on January 22, 2017, 10:01:10 AM
That's pretty intriguing Oscar.  The Oaxaca type seems to come from an area of relatively high elevation.  Are you able to work with material from such elevations or is your material from a lower growing selection?
Saludos, Peter
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Vernmented on January 22, 2017, 11:02:04 AM
Has anyone had any luck grafting this to avocado yet? Sounds like it would work especially if they were able to hybridize it.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on January 22, 2017, 05:24:43 PM
That's pretty intriguing Oscar.  The Oaxaca type seems to come from an area of relatively high elevation.  Are you able to work with material from such elevations or is your material from a lower growing selection?
Saludos, Peter
Came originally from Guatemala, but don't know elevation there. Keep in mind my location is not equatorial, so a lot cooler than places close to equator.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Vernmented on January 22, 2017, 08:03:05 PM
Can I purchase this budwood from you if I make an order?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on January 22, 2017, 09:23:22 PM
Can I purchase this budwood from you if I make an order?
Yes. Selling scions for $10 each + shipping.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on January 23, 2017, 12:59:22 AM
Hi Vernmented, theres alot of variation within the scheidiana sp, and grafting to avo has given variable results.  Someone mentioned it earlier, but i was also trying to find g577c aka martin grande. Part of usa collection, once touted as a popular rootstock and probable hybrid between avocado and chucte. People may still have it listed as Martin Grande and I  think it woud be a good shot for pure scheidiana.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: pineislander on January 23, 2017, 09:26:49 AM
seems to also be known in Mexico as "Pagua" which translates to the English word "Pay".

Quote
In Mexico, it is commonly known as pagua, coyocte, chalten, chinen, chinin, chinene, kiyo, kiyau, mountain avocado, butter avocado, aguacaton, wild pear. In Guatemala it is chucte and in Honduras it is commonly sucte or schucte, originated by the indigenous Jicaques and means "sucked".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gwLcDQDesc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gwLcDQDesc)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Finca La Isla on January 23, 2017, 05:50:47 PM
'Pagua' doesn't really translate to 'pay'. There are many possibilities for the origin of a name, perhaps it has to do with pa'agua, 'for water'
Peter
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on January 29, 2017, 12:02:08 AM
Here it is what the tree looks like now, 4 years after original post. It is about 25 ft. tall even though i topped it once.

(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/PerseaSchiedeanaTree2.jpg)

Some of the flowers. Hard to get a good shot as flowers are high on the tree.

(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/PerseaSchiedeanaFlowers.jpg)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on January 29, 2017, 08:40:01 PM
Is it in close proximity to other avocados Oscar?
Am keen to see what you got flavour wise.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on January 30, 2017, 05:58:36 AM
Is it in close proximity to other avocados Oscar?
Am keen to see what you got flavour wise.

Yes it's close to avocados. Don't think cross pollination is likely. Has not fruited yet.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on April 01, 2017, 04:28:29 AM
Fruit starting to develop:

(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/PerseaSchiedeanaFruitSetting.jpg)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: ScottR on April 01, 2017, 11:15:44 AM
Congrat's Oscar hope that little guy holds on! ;) 8)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on April 01, 2017, 05:45:57 PM
Congrat's Oscar hope that little guy holds on! ;) 8)
There's quite a few like that, so hopefully i'll get to taste one.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on May 29, 2017, 05:52:35 AM
Some chucte fruits sizing up:

(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/PerseaSchiedeanaDeveloped.jpg)

(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/PerseaSchiedeanaCloseup.jpg)

This tree has gotten massive and produced well in 5 years time. But have yet to taste the fruits. Waiting for them to perfectly ripen.


Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: ScottR on May 29, 2017, 10:59:58 AM
Really nice looking tree can't wait to hear taste report! Any guess to possible cold hardiness? 8)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: 00christian00 on May 29, 2017, 11:51:04 AM

This tree has gotten massive and produced well in 5 years time. But have yet to taste the fruits. Waiting for them to perfectly ripen.

Can you ship scions of this abroad?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on May 29, 2017, 04:37:14 PM
Really nice looking tree can't wait to hear taste report! Any guess to possible cold hardiness? 8)
Don't know, but would guess it is more cold hardy than avocado since chucte originates in highlands. Look at first posting on this thread, there is a link there. Any info on cold hardiness there?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on May 29, 2017, 04:38:52 PM

This tree has gotten massive and produced well in 5 years time. But have yet to taste the fruits. Waiting for them to perfectly ripen.

Can you ship scions of this abroad?
Yes can send you scions. PM me for more info.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: 00christian00 on May 29, 2017, 06:18:56 PM

This tree has gotten massive and produced well in 5 years time. But have yet to taste the fruits. Waiting for them to perfectly ripen.

Can you ship scions of this abroad?
Yes can send you scions. PM me for more info.
Just planted two avocado trees, I'll let them establish then I'll contact you, thanks!
By the way, the link in the first post doesn't work.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on July 12, 2017, 04:38:57 AM
Lots of chucte fruits dropping from the tree right now. You can see a comparison with chucte on left and avocado on right. They look pretty much like avocado except for the nipple on the bottom. The seed inside is also a lot targer than most avocado seeds.

(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/PerseaSchiedeanaComparisonWithAvocado.jpg)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: 00christian00 on July 12, 2017, 05:13:42 AM
Lots of chucte fruits dropping from the tree right now. You can see a comparison with chucte on left and avocado on right. They look pretty much like avocado except for the nipple on the bottom. The seed inside is also a lot targer than most avocado seeds.


Cool fruit! Picture of the inside?
Your opinion on the taste?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Solko on July 12, 2017, 09:44:11 AM
They look great! Looking forward to the taste report. I suppose they'll need to soften and ripen off the tree, just like avocados.
I'll be checking your website for seeds  ::)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on July 16, 2017, 12:11:55 AM
If you want seeds PM me. Don't have enough seeds to list it on my web page. I thin the tree made about 35 fruits on its first fruiting. Already sold about 1/2 of them.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on July 16, 2017, 12:36:27 AM
Here is the taste report:
The taste is very good, rich and creamy. Has high oil content. Very pleasant even out of hand. Has a bit of fiber, but not objectionable amount.
The main drawbacks as i see it is that the seed is a bit large and that reduces amount of pulp inside. Smaller seeded types could be selected out. The pulp is not green like avocado, but rather cream colored. That could be off putting at first, until you taste how good it is. At first i made the mistake of waiting for fruit to get really soft. At that stage they are not good as the area around the seed starts to blacken. They need to be eaten as they just begin to get a little soft.
Another good point is that they are very fast growing and fruiting. The tree took 5 years from seed to fruit, and is about 30 feet tall.Here is a photo:

(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/PerseaSchiedeanaFruitInterior.jpg)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Solko on July 16, 2017, 03:01:18 AM
Thank you for the taste report and the heads-up. The fruit looks fantastic!
I sent you an email right away.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Botanicus on July 17, 2017, 09:33:02 AM
Really nice looking tree can't wait to hear taste report! Any guess to possible cold hardiness? 8)
Don't know, but would guess it is more cold hardy than avocado since chucte originates in highlands. Look at first posting on this thread, there is a link there. Any info on cold hardiness there?

I have one small Persea schiedeana growing here in North Central Florida, it is under a tall canopy of oak/pine so it has a little protection from frost. The tree did fine with temperatures in the upper 20's, but serious damage occurred  around 25 F and most branches died back. It has since rebounded nicely as the past 2 winters have been fairly mild.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: ScottR on July 17, 2017, 10:47:00 AM
Thanks for taste report Oscar, besides creamy taste what other profile can you add to taste?If i remember right wasn't it supposed to have a garlic or onion taste ?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: ben mango on July 17, 2017, 01:25:05 PM
if the fruits still going to be in season in a few weeks id be interested in trying some
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on July 17, 2017, 06:19:03 PM
Has anyone fruited chucte in Florida or California? Any photos?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on July 17, 2017, 07:44:54 PM
Hi Oscar, this probably doesnt help but somewhere on Hawai'i is a guy called Jay Bost. He has written quite a few articles on this fruit and may have trees, He would possibly know of any mainland specimens.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on July 18, 2017, 12:08:23 AM
Hi Oscar, this probably doesnt help but somewhere on Hawai'i is a guy called Jay Bost. He has written quite a few articles on this fruit and may have trees, He would possibly know of any mainland specimens.
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Never heard of him. Any links to his articles?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on July 18, 2017, 12:21:24 AM
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/6/1/99/pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjmkNCb-5HVAhWCE5QKHet3BtsQFgiAATAU&usg=AFQjCNGUVY4HiakxJRoBcdA901_394uK0A (https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/6/1/99/pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjmkNCb-5HVAhWCE5QKHet3BtsQFgiAATAU&usg=AFQjCNGUVY4HiakxJRoBcdA901_394uK0A)

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UFE0024534/00001&ved=0ahUKEwiBo7ne-5HVAhXGGZQKHY33AmYQFggoMAM&usg=AFQjCNHSdB1x3EIXIqCiah5ufwuGP4yRsA (https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UFE0024534/00001&ved=0ahUKEwiBo7ne-5HVAhXGGZQKHY33AmYQFggoMAM&usg=AFQjCNHSdB1x3EIXIqCiah5ufwuGP4yRsA)

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242235245_PERSEA_SCHIEDEANA_THE_COYO_A_POSSIBLE_ROOTSTOCK_FOR_AVOCADO_IN_SOUTH_AFRICA&ved=0ahUKEwiBo7ne-5HVAhXGGZQKHY33AmYQFggwMAY&usg=AFQjCNHWySDmDlQzL41JZx3lPXrAde5pzA (https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242235245_PERSEA_SCHIEDEANA_THE_COYO_A_POSSIBLE_ROOTSTOCK_FOR_AVOCADO_IN_SOUTH_AFRICA&ved=0ahUKEwiBo7ne-5HVAhXGGZQKHY33AmYQFggwMAY&usg=AFQjCNHWySDmDlQzL41JZx3lPXrAde5pzA)

https://m.facebook.com/jay.bost.94?fref=search (https://m.facebook.com/jay.bost.94?fref=search)

Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on July 18, 2017, 01:16:14 AM
OK thanks, interesting.

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Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on July 18, 2017, 01:23:14 AM
He may have fruiting trees.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on July 18, 2017, 01:26:55 AM
He may have fruiting trees.
Will try to contact him, don't know how much good it will do me as he's on a different island (Oahu).
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on July 18, 2017, 01:41:37 AM
Not sure but I have been told by a mutual acquaintance that  he is a mad keen chucte fan.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on July 18, 2017, 02:41:27 AM
Not sure but I have been told by a mutual acquaintance that  he is a mad keen chucte fan.
I would think so given that he wrote his master's thesis on it, and writes articles with titles like:
Persea schiedeana: A High Oil “Cinderella Species” Fruit with Potential for Tropical Agroforestry Systems
 8) 8)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on July 18, 2017, 04:33:07 AM
🤣🤣
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: barath on July 18, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
Has anyone fruited chucte in Florida or California? Any photos?

I asked this question through CRFG and the only word that came back was from Julie Frink (who would know) that there is a tree that is thought to be a cross between Avocado and Chucte that has not fruited in the UC collection in Irvine.  There also were several trees of straight Chucte in the fruit tree collection at UCLA (back when UCLA had a collection), but I think all those trees were cut down -- I remember reading mentions of it in old California Avocado Society yearbooks.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: Botanicus on July 18, 2017, 12:29:34 PM
Not sure but I have been told by a mutual acquaintance that  he is a mad keen chucte fan.
I would think so given that he wrote his master's thesis on it, and writes articles with titles like:
Persea schiedeana: A High Oil “Cinderella Species” Fruit with Potential for Tropical Agroforestry Systems
 8) 8)

I have a small tree growing here in Florida; seed came from the above author.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on July 18, 2017, 07:12:02 PM
All available seeds have been claimed. If you asked previous to today about getting seeds and have not heard back still small chance you might get some. You will hear from me shortly.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on July 18, 2017, 09:10:19 PM
It will be interesting to compare the fruit from the seedling you have from Jay to Oscars one. I  wonder if he took seed from the best quality fruit in his research. Im guessing the one at ucl the crfg are talking about is either g755c aka martin grande, a rootstock of Guatemalan x scheideana parentage or G875 a persea listed as probably not P. Americana . It is assumed to be a persea Hybrid as well. This paper has some neat tables showing the relations between the wild sp and cultivars. UCL did used to have P. Scheideana as well.

https://academic.oup.com/jhered/article/94/5/407/2187292/Microsatellite-Markers-in-Avocado-Persea-americana
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: barath on July 18, 2017, 09:46:34 PM
It will be interesting to compare the fruit from the seedling you have from Jay to Oscars one. I  wonder if he took seed from the best quality fruit in his research. Im guessing the one at ucl the crfg are talking about is either g755A aka martin grande, a rootstock of Guatemalan x scheideana parentage or G875 a persea listed as probably not P. Americana . It is assumed to be a persea Hybrid as well. This paper has some neat tables showing the relations between the wild sp and cultivars. UCL did used to have P. Scheideana as well.

https://academic.oup.com/jhered/article/94/5/407/2187292/Microsatellite-Markers-in-Avocado-Persea-americana

Yeah, that would be very interesting.  Here's what Julie Frink's email said:

"We have an avocado that it called G755C and is an avocado X Schiedeana that was going to be tried as a root rot resistant rootstock.  The tree gets huge, does flower, but hasn't had any fruit, at least in the last 22 years."
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on July 18, 2017, 09:55:41 PM
Sorry meant 755C not A. Just checked the pdf I saved on it:

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.avocadosource.com/CAS_Yearbooks/CAS_72_1988/CAS_1988_PG_121-125.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjs2_eGnpTVAhXBi5QKHbPfBukQFggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNFtTDTMz7vljj2tK9B7x9lpa0EtJg (https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.avocadosource.com/CAS_Yearbooks/CAS_72_1988/CAS_1988_PG_121-125.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjs2_eGnpTVAhXBi5QKHbPfBukQFggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNFtTDTMz7vljj2tK9B7x9lpa0EtJg)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on July 19, 2017, 06:38:17 AM
Here is a photo comparing leaves and fruits of chucte and an avocado, Malama cultivar. As you can see the chucte leaves are very large in comparison.

(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/PerseaSchiedeanaLeafComparisonWithMalamaAvocado.jpg)
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on July 19, 2017, 07:12:09 AM
Its like avo on steroids 😮
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: shot on July 19, 2017, 08:26:36 AM
I can't get this to hold fruit here in bokeelia does it not like lowland heat humid?Had it since 2005 from budwood from frankies but fruit abort at nickel size.Pollination?
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on July 19, 2017, 09:06:30 AM
Theres been little work done on its pollination requirements that I can find, I couldnt find if it comes in A or B types or if it has climatic perculiarities..  I suppose a Guatemalan could possibly cross pollinate it as the g755c is a hybrid of such.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: shot on July 19, 2017, 09:28:22 AM
I need to get some seeds ,see if it does any thing from seed it,s frustrating
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on July 19, 2017, 09:49:03 AM
If the one you have isnt from Oscar, grab some budwood off him and graft it with the other . Should help.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: shot on July 19, 2017, 10:03:24 AM
okay ill find out if it's diffrent
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: druss on July 19, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
Its only a guess, Oscars seemed to fruit no problems. But might be worth a shot.
Title: Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
Post by: fruitlovers on July 19, 2017, 08:11:30 PM
I can't get this to hold fruit here in bokeelia does it not like lowland heat humid?Had it since 2005 from budwood from frankies but fruit abort at nickel size.Pollination?
Are you referring to the chucte or the malama avocado? Which one did you get from Frankies?
If the chucte, yes it is a highland fruit.