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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Breeding/selecting with dioecious plants
« on: August 18, 2017, 10:29:43 AM »
I plan to casually select and improve Marula a dioecious species.

How i see it is I have about fifty trees and should have space to plant them out soon. I would then see which ones were best and cull the worst say 70% and graft seedlings from the best 30% onto them. Then just keep doing this for many years and hopefully get some nicer fruit over time. This would just be for hobby reasons as I am an amateur. I don't expect professional or dramatic results but even slight improvement s would be really awesome. I am 29 now so should have quite a few years to have fun with this:)
I have some questions though for the more knowledgeable here :) :
1. Is there a better way to do this than described? I know the attributes I would want, namely: bigger fruit, better flesh to seed ratio, less cling on seed. I already love the natural wild taste so any of these attributes improving even a little would be great!

2. Is this population big enough? Would say 100 trees get me better chances?
I could do many more trees in very large containers but my assumption was in ground trees would be a better bet.

3.How the he'll do you select for the males? It must matter what males you decide to get rid of or keep but I have no idea how you would make this decision.

This is really interesting to me so any insights or advice would be cool

P.S - One last question
All my plants come from local populations would it be worth it try source seeds from far away, maybe more north into Africa for genetic diversity?
I have tried and failed to source from already improved plants but maybe I could catch a break in the future.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Garcinia ID
« on: May 25, 2017, 04:06:57 PM »
Friend of mine got some seeds from these fruits. They were growing on Koh kood island Thailand. The pickers say it is sweet I think.

Anyone got any idea?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mabola plum - Parinari curatellifolia
« on: October 09, 2016, 10:35:45 AM »
Got to taste some of these fresh harvested in the veld/wild.
Surprising good!


They smell abit like brandy pudding:)
Thin easy to peel skin.
I'm struggling to add the other pics I will try in a new post


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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / WTB or trade for Mesquite seeds
« on: July 07, 2016, 06:34:46 AM »
Looking for viable seeds for an edible mesquite species.
Have heard that velvet has the best pods but Im not sure?

thanks
:0

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / South African grown Cherimoya
« on: June 17, 2016, 12:06:45 PM »
Got these sent to me from the Cape by a very awesome guy I digitally met. He grows them on his farm.

710grams and 820grams



So they are still firm like an unripe avocado do they get softer too or do you cut it still firm?

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Looking to trade for tasty fruits I dont have that are worthwhile from seed  ;D

Mongongo nut - Schinziophyton rautanenii

A tough nut to crack but raw taste is good like a cross between Macademia and Brazil nut:)
I havnt tried yet but apparently excelent roasted.
Apparently the fruit is edible too though I havnt tasted it.

Baobab-Adonansia digitata



Interesting plant for sure!
Young leafs eadible and tasty and fruit is in a kind of powder that keeps a long time and is full of nutrients. Makes a tasty healthy drink.
(may take long to fruit though)

Vangueria infausta - African medlar


Smells exactly like an apple and tastes abit like one too. Flesh is very very soft and not juicy at all.
So it tasted like mashed stewed apples with a difference, it wasn't tart but had a definite sherbert note.
I know it may not sound appealing but I am really surprised how much I like this fruit!
Flesh to seed ratio was good and the flesh doesn't cling to the seed easily sucked off:)

Marula - Sclerocarya birrea



I love this fruit!! little pulp but extremly tasty and juicy. Sweet with complexity and a definite caramel note for me.

Kiwano Melon - Cucumis metuliferus


Balanites maughamii
Wild plum - Harpephyllum caffrum

May add a few other species later




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fruit tours or tour guides in Thailand?
« on: November 20, 2015, 07:40:34 AM »
Im going on honey moon to Thailand next year on 9 May for about 10 days.
I will be going to Phuket, Krabi, phi phi island and Bangkok.(I will find out the exact locations in these areas)

Im very excited to go and try all the fruit I have been dreaming about and my future wife is really amped too!
Iv read so so many blogs and website but still feel like dont know enough :(

Are there any tips to finding and eating the best fruit? Where are the best places to go? What kind of prices can I expect(and will I have to bargain? Iv never haggled in my whole life!)

Does anyone know of a fruit tour or tour that features fruit that I could go on? Iv seen food tours but couldnt find any for fruit.

Im really excited to try durian and mangosteen as well as a host of other things!
Am I right in that most things will be in season during mid may?

Thanks for any tips or tricks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Strange canistel seed shoot growth
« on: October 25, 2015, 05:25:35 AM »
I'm not sure if this is common but the shoot emerging from the seed is shaped like a wing and appears to be multiple shoots fused weirdly together?





This is a very slightly older seed from another source under the same conditions. It emerged and grew as you would expect.


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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Hovenia dulcis
« on: October 17, 2015, 11:01:36 PM »
Anyone growing this?
Interestingly you eat the rachis not the fruit! Meant to be a good substitute for dates and science has recently found a substance in it can massively reduce hangovers, ha ha might be handy to have  ;) ;D
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hovenia_dulcis


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB SEEDS: Inga/Ice-cream bean
« on: September 09, 2015, 03:12:52 AM »
Im looking for Inga seeds not to fussed on the species long as it is considered one of the ice-cream beans and edible:) but more subtropical cold hardy would be a preference.

Im very interested to taste these but will also want to use as a chop and drop/Nitrogen fixer:)

I can trade but only have Marula and Baobab seeds at the moment so happy to buy if thats not to your fancy ;D

Thanks

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"the fruits are usually only eaten in small or moderate amounts since large quantities can cause nausea because of the excessive amount of sugar they contain" Now this sentence actually prompted me to start the thread as Iv read it for a few species and always wondered.
Do fruits with very high sugar make you nauseous? I thought that people were trying to breed more sugar in to fruit, does it really make you feel sick or is it just if you actually stuff yourself and overeat?



http://www.plantzafrica.com/planthij/hoslundop.htm
Besides my main sugar question, anyone try this fruit before?

It is apparently hardy anywhere is South Africa meaning it will take some frost.

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http://hoepen.blogspot.com/







Translate revealed it is apparrantly from a disused family "theophrastaceae", originates in South America, fruit is 4-6cm and has a common name of mount tribute fruit in China.

Very aesthetically pleasing plant

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A friend is sending me seeds for this very strange fruit of the Southern African region.
All parts of the fruit are chewed like gum except the seeds. When chewing it produces a sweet edible slime for lack of a better word.It is chewed until it stops producing this and then the dry part is spat out. I suppose many might think this sounds unpleasant but come on weird=awesome IMO ;D
High in calcium, potassium, iron and vitimin C. The slime it produces is also said to be very conducive to healthy gut bacterial growth.
It is also used in making jellies and a thickening agent in soups/stews etc.
Flower is beautiful and reminiscent of hibiscus +-6cm long(well it is malvaceae!)

Seemingly it has some popularity in Zimbabwe, Zambia, Botswana and other Southern African countries. Problem in Africa is that wild fruits have a massive stigma for being "poor peoples food" and people are embarrassed to eat it or admit to eating it :'(
My aim is to crack the nut of African fruit wide open and lifted from obscurity! These plants deserve their time in the sun and rather than being looked down upon should be the food de jour of all the happening hipsters  8)








Picture sources
http://zambianeye.com/archives/10397
http://thesovereignstate.org/indigenous-fruits-of-zimbabwe-3/
http://www.africanplants.senckenberg.de/root/index.php?page_id=78&id=2868

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Mespilus germanica
« on: July 08, 2015, 07:21:27 AM »
Does anyone grow Medlar?
It apparently needs to be bletted but then has a delicious apple butter cinnamon taste if properly ripe:)
Im interested to try this tree in a cool part of my garden. It is very hardy and attractive plant.
The fruit is not the prettiest but its not boring and taste is the most important thing at the end of the day!
pear and hawthornes can be used as root stock apparantly.

Here are some pics I found on google:








http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/376/

http://www.leereich.com/2013/12/ugly-but-tasty-old-fruit.html

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Most of these come from this website: http://theseedsite.co.uk/latin.html

It is really useful to understand these Latin words that are commonly used in the species name for taxonomy.
It gives a better understanding of the plant and especially when you encounter new plants with one of these terms used:) sometimes the species name may be a combination of two words to describe characteristics of the plant eg micro = small & carpa = fruit so a species could be 'microcarpa' = small fruited
Also note that sometimes a species name is based on who found it eg Livingstone=livingstonei
Please add anymore you know and I will edit this list and keep it alphabetical :)

abyssinica = from Abysinnia (Ethiopia) (North Africa)
acaulis = stemless
aestivalis = flowering in spring
alba = white
alpestris = from mountains
alpicola = from mountains
alpina = from the alps
altissima = tallest
america = from America
angustifolia = narrow-leaved
annua = annual
antha = -flowered (e.g. micrantha = small-flowered)
arboricola = living on trees
arctica = from the arctic
arenaria = from sandy places
argentea = silvery
armata = prickly
arvensis = of the field
aurantiaca = orange
aurea = golden, yellow
australis = from the south (not necessarily Australia)
autumnalis = of autumn
azurea = blue
barbata = bearded, hairy
bellidifolia = with leaves like those of a daisy
borealis = from the north
bulbifera = bearing bulbs
bulgarica = from Bulgaria
caerulea = blue
caespitosa = dense
campanulata = campanulate, like a bell
campestris = of the field
canadensis = from Canada
canariensis = from the Canary Isles
capensis = from the Cape, South Africa
chilensis = from Chile
chinensis = from China
chrysantha = yellow
clivora = from the hills
coccinea = red
compacta = compact
decidua = deciduous
densiflora = dense-flowered
digitata = (leaves) like a hand, with five lobes
edulis = edible
esculenta = edible
farinosa = floury, powdery
ficifolia = like a fig leaf
flava = yellow
flora = -flowered (e.g. viridiflora = green-flowered)
flore plena = with double flowers
florida = floriferous
foetida = with an unpleasant smell
folia = -leaved (e.g. tenuifolia = narrow-leaved)
foliosa = leafy
fruticosa = shrubby
gigantea = giant
glabra = smooth
glacialis = from cold areas
glutinosa = sticky
graeca = from Greece
graminifolia = with grassy leaves
grandiflora = large-flowered
grandis = big
helvetica = from Switzerland
hirsuta = hairy
hispida = bristly
humilis = short
hyemalis = of winter
incana = grey
inodora = unscented
integrifolia = entire, undivided (leaves)
japonica = from Japan
lanata = woolly
lanceolata = lance-shaped (leaves)
latifolia = wide-leaved
livingstonei = named by Livingstone
longiflora = with long flowers
longifolia = with long leaves
lutea = yellow
macrantha = large flowered
macro- = large- (e.g. macrorhiza = large-rooted)
macrocarpa = large-fruited
macrophylla = with large leaves
macrorrhiza = with large roots
maculata = spotted
magellanica = from the south of South America
magenta = magenta
magna = big
majus = bigger
maritima = maritime, near the sea
maxima = biggest
mexicana = from Mexico
micrantha = small flowered
microphylla = with small leaves
millefolia = with many (thousands of) leaves
minima = small
minor = smaller
montana = from mountains
multiflora = many flowered
muralis = growing on walls
nana = small
nocturna = nocturnal
ochroleuca = cream
odorata = perfumed
officinalis = with herbal uses
ovalifolia = with oval leaves
pallida = cream
palustris = from marshes
parvi- = small- (e.g. parivflora = small-flowered)
parviflora = small flowered
parvifolia = with small leaves
pauci- = few- (e.g. pauciflora =few-flowered)
pauciflora = few-flowered
paucifolia = with few leaves
pendula = hanging
perennis = perennial
phoenicea = purple
-phylla = -leaved (e.g. macrophylla = large-leaved)
pinnata = with pinnate leaves
poly- = many (e.g polyantha = many-flowered)
polyphylla = with many leaves, leafy
praecox = early, of spring
pratensis = field
procumbens = creeping
prostrata = prostrate
pulverulenta = dusty
pumila = small
punica = red
purpurea = deep pink
pygmaea = small
quercifolia = oak=leaved
rediviva = perennial
rivalis = from near rivers
rivularis = from near rivers
rosea = rose pink
rotundifolia = round-leaved
rubra = red
rupestris = of hills
rupicola = of hills
russica = from Russia
sanguinea = blood-red
sativa = cultivated
saxatilis = of rocks
scaber = climbing
scandens = climbing
semperviva = perennial
sibirica = from Siberia
sinense = from China
somnifera = inducing sleep
spicata = spiked
spinosa = spiny
stellata = starry
sulphurea = yellow
sylvestris = of woods
tenuifolia = with thin, narrow leaves
texensis = from Texas
tomentosa = tomentose, woolly
trifoliata = trifoliate, with three-lobed leaves
umbellata = unbellate, with flowers in an umbel
velutina = velvety
vernalis = of spring
villosa = hairy
violacea = violet
viridis = green
viscosa = sticky
vitifolia = with leaves like a vine
volubilis = twining
vulgaris = common

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Lardizabalaceae
« on: May 08, 2015, 04:22:24 PM »
I think a few species are edible in this family and three genuses in particular have interesting plants:

Boquila trifoliolata-chameleon vine
Monotypic genus
This plant is for me a holy grail, it has a unique ability to mimic the leaves of the plant it is growing on even to the extent of having completely different leaves on the same plant if it grows over two different trees.
"Boquila’s leaves are extraordinarily diverse. The biggest ones can be 10 times bigger than the smallest, and they can vary from very light to very dark. In around three-quarters of cases, they’re similar to the closest leaf from another tree, matching it in size, area, length of stalk, angle, and color. Boquila’s leaves can even grow a spiny tip when, and only when, it climbs onto a shrub with spine-tipped leaves."
Edible berries apparently appreciated in Chile to boot!



Akebia
Five species in this genus
Taste reports for some species has not been bad at all interesting looking fruit and pretty chocolate coloured flowers giving the name chocolate vine:)






And lastly this families namesake
Lardizabala biternata
Also a Monotypic genus
Also a vine and considered a delicacy in Chile and sold in some markets. Calledcoguil or cógüil in Mapuche language. 7-8cm long purple sausage shaped fruits sweet and pulpy. Beautiful flower!






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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Pear thread
« on: May 07, 2015, 11:22:45 AM »
I have never been a huge pear fan but decided to try a kind that i hadnt seen in the shops before because it looked totally different to the varieties I had seen before.
It was called Beurre Bosc it's a dirty brown looking pear with a very thin neck but it has converted me And I think I would possibly choose it over an apple even!
All the.temperate fruit.in the high end supermarkets is pretty good quality here(if in season) they have never named the varieties before much but are slowly starting luckily:)

What cultivators do you find are your favorite?

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Temperate Fruit & Orchard Online Library / Plants for a future
« on: April 29, 2015, 11:59:48 AM »
http://www.pfaf.org/user/edibleuses.aspx

Thought I would get the ball rolling in this board:)

Pfaf is a really good resource for edible temperate plants.
They also have alot of temperate fruits I had never heard of and extensive info on hundreds of species.
Info is in a very user friendly format all in all a great source of knowledge.
I really wish there was a site like this for tropicals too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Seedling ID if possible
« on: April 27, 2015, 04:04:45 PM »
Two seedlings I have growing they may be too small to ID but it's worth a shot:)
First one is definitely garcinia as on.part of the name was rubbed off. Second one no clue but even at its small size it has a proportionately large thick root growing somewhat horizontal for some reason.
Garcinia sp?!?

Thick root unknown
Leaves feel like covered in very fine soft fur(not sure the botanical term for this but would also like to know that)


Any insight appreciated:) thanks guys
I think they both come from kerala India but I'm not 100% sure of that

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So I started growing flowers at about 19-20  on my balcony for various reasons little did I know how I would fall in love with plants.
After a year or so I started looking at herbs and medicinal plants I also had a keen interest in growing entheogens that I still hold today.
I eventually progressed into vegies and started my own veggie patch this was really where I become a plant fanatic, eating my own vegetables was a feeling I never could have imagined. The pride and sense of accomplishment I received was unbelievable.
The internet and one of those "ten fruits youve never heard of" articles blew my mind it turned a fanatic into the unhealthily obsessed :o
How many other worthwhile fruits had I just not heard of? I started thinking. My ignorant mind had just believed there was maybe a small variation across countries but nothing major and I wasnt really missing out, any fruits I hadnt heard of I thought must be worthless and thats why I had never heard of them.
How wrong I was!!
I desperately started searching out seeds and plants of the less common fruits and getting a pay pal in 2013 opened up a whole new world 8)
Finding this forum just pushed my obsessions further still and I voraciously lurked this website for months.
So also a few months after this I started thinking that Marula cant be the only fruit from my region and started making notebooks of species and calling botanical gardens and indigenous nurseries, ordering from silverhill and other sources and trying to get as many indigenous fruits as possible.
Though Im yet to fruit most of them Iv managed to collect and germinate a few as well as buy some older plants.
I want to share my pictures here as searching the internet info is often scarce on them and I would have loved to stumble upon a thread like this!
I hope to make these plants more widely known in my country one day and maybe even open an edible nursery here, I would love to find nutrition high plants and distribute them freely in the townships and rural areas to increase food security and a love of the plants the people of this country once cherished but now have widely forgotten.
Im 26 years old now and hopefully have enough years to explore my passion alot further!
Anyone else with info or pics of fruit from Southern African regions(Zimbabwe, Namibia, Botswana, South Africa etc) would be cool if you also post!
I will post pics as time allows my crappy internet takes forever on the pics.

Ancylobothrys capensis - Rock apricot


Balanites maughamii






Berchemia discolor



Dialium schlechteri





Diospyros lycioides



Diospyros mespiliformis



Dovyalis caffra






Dovyalis zeyheri






Grewia-occidentalis,flava,flavescens(left to right) - Raisin bushes




occidentalis

Pleasantly sweet but uncomplex. Skin is edible but fibrous small seeds are spat out. It has on seed per bulge in the berry.
Definitely a minor fruit but apparently high in nutrients and minerals.

flavascens



Mimmusops-
obovata




elengeni(I think?? got these fruits from Zim)



Pleasant fruit. texture like mash potato, taste like hmmm sweetened slightly fruity pumpkin. Skin edible but not nice texture. Pulp can be squeezed out to avoid skin. Nothing to right home about but worth having if you have the space IMO.

Pappea capensis







Parinari curatellifolia




Pseudolachnostylis maprouneifolia - Kudu Berry


Sclerocarya-Marula





These were bought from a guy at the robot







Marula is one of my favorite fruit. Deliciously sweet every so slightly acid and to my taste buds caramel undertones. Downside is low flesh to seed ratio, but this is more than made up for with its flavors and juiciness. Its very easy to squeeze juice out too.
Other pluses the nut is edible and apparently tasty.
It fruits so abundantly one cant possible eat all the fruits a medium size tree produces
Drought tolerant

Strycnos spinosa - Monkey Orange




Vangueria infausta - Milk plum





Honorable mentions
Moringa

Katha edulis - Bushmans tea


I will update and add more pictures and info as the plants get older and if I get any flowers or fruits:)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Ancylobothrys capensis
« on: April 08, 2015, 06:40:29 AM »
Anyone ever taste this? Im getting two small plants this month been searching for this for a very long time! Its related to landophia and meant to taste really good :D
and copious flowers that smell like jasmine




http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantab/ancylobcap.htm
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantab/ancylobcap.htm









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Jubaeopsis caffra
« on: March 13, 2015, 03:39:28 AM »
Anyone ever grow this edible palm?
Fruits are meant to be tastey 2-4cm and its pretty cold hardy.

I was recently offered seeds and I snapped them up but then I read this online:


"Growing Jubaeopsis caffra

In view of the limited natural population, which is already threatened by over-exploitation for horticulture, the single most important piece of advice for would-be growers of this palm is DON'T! The tree is protected and there is no legal source of seed. Seedlings are almost certainly raised illegally too, and one should not buy them without written guarantees of permission to possess them."

Iv already ordered the seeds surely it would be a waste not to plant them but what is the likelihood of me getting in deep shyte over having them? What is my legal responsibility?
I know my source is conscientious and doesn't decimate wild populations so Im more concerned with if I could get into trouble at all.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Elder berry
« on: February 12, 2015, 04:13:20 PM »
Had a beautiful little plant in ground for a few years now it flowers but no fruit.

Does it need to be cross pollinated?

Anyone ever use the flowers to make a drink? I heard you can do this but mine don't taste sweet at all.
Any info and especially experiences on elder berry I would love to hear:)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / JABOTICABA PONHEMA
« on: October 03, 2014, 05:27:51 AM »
http://www.availableseeds.com/new-items-september-october-2014/myrciaria-cauliflora-var-ponhema-jaboticaba-ponhema/

Anyone see this variety of jaboticaba before? It looks really nice and tastey:) They also had coronata that looked as big as a snooker ball! But abit pricey for only five seeds.
So is this ponhema jabo legit?(I realise it has no guarantee to come true from seeds)  It's so jet black and shiny with a nipple and lots of flesh looks like. Would the coronata be a better choice? I struggle with opportunity cost analysis with plants he he I just want to buy it all! They also have Campomanesia xanthocarpa which in one of the pics looks so juicy and delicious it instantly pricked my interest anyone try it before?
http://cdn.nuvemshop.com.br/stores/062/332/products/guabibroa4-8a231c69069825496b6ba0157bd50c36-1024-1024.jpg
 

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