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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2017, 05:24:43 PM »
That's pretty intriguing Oscar.  The Oaxaca type seems to come from an area of relatively high elevation.  Are you able to work with material from such elevations or is your material from a lower growing selection?
Saludos, Peter
Came originally from Guatemala, but don't know elevation there. Keep in mind my location is not equatorial, so a lot cooler than places close to equator.
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2017, 08:03:05 PM »
Can I purchase this budwood from you if I make an order?
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2017, 09:23:22 PM »
Can I purchase this budwood from you if I make an order?
Yes. Selling scions for $10 each + shipping.
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2017, 12:59:22 AM »
Hi Vernmented, theres alot of variation within the scheidiana sp, and grafting to avo has given variable results.  Someone mentioned it earlier, but i was also trying to find g577c aka martin grande. Part of usa collection, once touted as a popular rootstock and probable hybrid between avocado and chucte. People may still have it listed as Martin Grande and I  think it woud be a good shot for pure scheidiana.
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2017, 09:26:49 AM »
seems to also be known in Mexico as "Pagua" which translates to the English word "Pay".

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In Mexico, it is commonly known as pagua, coyocte, chalten, chinen, chinin, chinene, kiyo, kiyau, mountain avocado, butter avocado, aguacaton, wild pear. In Guatemala it is chucte and in Honduras it is commonly sucte or schucte, originated by the indigenous Jicaques and means "sucked".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gwLcDQDesc
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2017, 05:50:47 PM »
'Pagua' doesn't really translate to 'pay'. There are many possibilities for the origin of a name, perhaps it has to do with pa'agua, 'for water'
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2017, 12:02:08 AM »
Here it is what the tree looks like now, 4 years after original post. It is about 25 ft. tall even though i topped it once.



Some of the flowers. Hard to get a good shot as flowers are high on the tree.


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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2017, 08:40:01 PM »
Is it in close proximity to other avocados Oscar?
Am keen to see what you got flavour wise.

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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2017, 05:58:36 AM »
Is it in close proximity to other avocados Oscar?
Am keen to see what you got flavour wise.

Yes it's close to avocados. Don't think cross pollination is likely. Has not fruited yet.
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2017, 04:28:29 AM »
Fruit starting to develop:

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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2017, 11:15:44 AM »
Congrat's Oscar hope that little guy holds on! ;) 8)

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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2017, 05:45:57 PM »
Congrat's Oscar hope that little guy holds on! ;) 8)
There's quite a few like that, so hopefully i'll get to taste one.
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2017, 05:52:35 AM »
Some chucte fruits sizing up:





This tree has gotten massive and produced well in 5 years time. But have yet to taste the fruits. Waiting for them to perfectly ripen.


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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2017, 10:59:58 AM »
Really nice looking tree can't wait to hear taste report! Any guess to possible cold hardiness? 8)

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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2017, 11:51:04 AM »

This tree has gotten massive and produced well in 5 years time. But have yet to taste the fruits. Waiting for them to perfectly ripen.

Can you ship scions of this abroad?

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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2017, 04:37:14 PM »
Really nice looking tree can't wait to hear taste report! Any guess to possible cold hardiness? 8)
Don't know, but would guess it is more cold hardy than avocado since chucte originates in highlands. Look at first posting on this thread, there is a link there. Any info on cold hardiness there?
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2017, 04:38:52 PM »

This tree has gotten massive and produced well in 5 years time. But have yet to taste the fruits. Waiting for them to perfectly ripen.

Can you ship scions of this abroad?
Yes can send you scions. PM me for more info.
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2017, 06:18:56 PM »

This tree has gotten massive and produced well in 5 years time. But have yet to taste the fruits. Waiting for them to perfectly ripen.

Can you ship scions of this abroad?
Yes can send you scions. PM me for more info.
Just planted two avocado trees, I'll let them establish then I'll contact you, thanks!
By the way, the link in the first post doesn't work.
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2017, 04:38:57 AM »
Lots of chucte fruits dropping from the tree right now. You can see a comparison with chucte on left and avocado on right. They look pretty much like avocado except for the nipple on the bottom. The seed inside is also a lot targer than most avocado seeds.


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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2017, 05:13:42 AM »
Lots of chucte fruits dropping from the tree right now. You can see a comparison with chucte on left and avocado on right. They look pretty much like avocado except for the nipple on the bottom. The seed inside is also a lot targer than most avocado seeds.


Cool fruit! Picture of the inside?
Your opinion on the taste?

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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2017, 09:44:11 AM »
They look great! Looking forward to the taste report. I suppose they'll need to soften and ripen off the tree, just like avocados.
I'll be checking your website for seeds  ::)
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2017, 12:11:55 AM »
If you want seeds PM me. Don't have enough seeds to list it on my web page. I thin the tree made about 35 fruits on its first fruiting. Already sold about 1/2 of them.
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2017, 12:36:27 AM »
Here is the taste report:
The taste is very good, rich and creamy. Has high oil content. Very pleasant even out of hand. Has a bit of fiber, but not objectionable amount.
The main drawbacks as i see it is that the seed is a bit large and that reduces amount of pulp inside. Smaller seeded types could be selected out. The pulp is not green like avocado, but rather cream colored. That could be off putting at first, until you taste how good it is. At first i made the mistake of waiting for fruit to get really soft. At that stage they are not good as the area around the seed starts to blacken. They need to be eaten as they just begin to get a little soft.
Another good point is that they are very fast growing and fruiting. The tree took 5 years from seed to fruit, and is about 30 feet tall.Here is a photo:


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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2017, 03:01:18 AM »
Thank you for the taste report and the heads-up. The fruit looks fantastic!
I sent you an email right away.
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Re: Growing Chucte (Persea schiedeana) Relative of Avocado
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2017, 09:33:02 AM »
Really nice looking tree can't wait to hear taste report! Any guess to possible cold hardiness? 8)
Don't know, but would guess it is more cold hardy than avocado since chucte originates in highlands. Look at first posting on this thread, there is a link there. Any info on cold hardiness there?

I have one small Persea schiedeana growing here in North Central Florida, it is under a tall canopy of oak/pine so it has a little protection from frost. The tree did fine with temperatures in the upper 20's, but serious damage occurred  around 25 F and most branches died back. It has since rebounded nicely as the past 2 winters have been fairly mild.

 

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