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New plantings have begun!
« on: October 05, 2014, 12:29:18 PM »
Started my new plantings today, so far: Silas Woods, Hasya, Alano,Morena,Molix Sapodilla, mangos, Yai Grom, France's Hargrave, Cabesa, Kaimana lychee, 2-big red sugar apples, Miami Soursop, FernAndez custard aplle now some rest!!
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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2014, 12:33:35 PM »
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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2014, 01:09:16 PM »
please share a couple of pictures if you can for us to enjoy :) thanks.

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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2014, 01:12:56 PM »
congrats!

how big is your lot again??
not big enough. Lol. Gonna squeeeeeeeze them puppies! Just threw  in a turpentine  want too get 2- Rapoza 2- Cac  and another France's Hargrave before I finish today, gonna wait till around 5pm   Now gonna rest have a beer and watch some football

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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2014, 01:13:06 PM »
congrats!

how big is your lot again??
not big enough. Lol. Gonna squeeeeeeeze them puppies! Just threw  in a turpentine  want too get 2- Rapoza 2- Cac  and another France's Hargrave before I finish today, gonna wait till around 5pm   Now gonna rest have a beer and watch some football

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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2014, 01:18:38 PM »
Avocado plantings for next week: 2- Oro negro, Nishikawa,utardo,yamagata,Kahalu, malama. Lots of hole digging in my future!
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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2014, 01:26:41 PM »
You might actually inspire me to mowe down those ugly cypress trees in my backyard and plant down my mangoes and cherimoyas.  I will have to wait till the weather get better before i start digging holes though
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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2014, 02:33:00 PM »
Fairchild #2 Canistel just in ground! Now to find a spot for Oscars Phillipines pointed canistel! Hmmm. Where oh where?

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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2014, 03:20:17 PM »
Congratulations on your  expanded orchard!!! Knock 'em out!

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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2014, 08:05:02 PM »
let me know if you need help next weekend.  Finally, Cac (Coc) gets the love it deserves ;D
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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2014, 09:42:52 PM »
You might actually inspire me to mowe down those ugly cypress trees in my backyard and plant down my mangoes and cherimoyas.  I will have to wait till the weather get better before i start digging holes though

Mr Bender did not mention it here but he had some large trees removed to make room for his new fruit trees. I saw the aftermath a few months ago with a lifetime supply of saw dust and wood chips for mulching. I mean don't go overboard, but I am a believer in getting fruit trees in and non-fruiting trees out. A generalization of course. I did so on my property, removing four trees. Putting in edible landscaping as opposed to plain old "ornamentals"

Two months ago my next door neighbor cut down some menacing trees. That would not do well in high persistent winds. They provided so much shade they were shading other peoples yards too much. I got permission to haul off lots of wood chips to mulch my fruit trees :)
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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2014, 10:53:22 AM »
Avocado plantings for next week: 2- Oro negro, Nishikawa,utardo,yamagata,Kahalu, malama. Lots of hole digging in my future!

Mike, will you have these new avocado varieties available for sale (trees, not fruit)?
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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2014, 10:58:37 AM »
let me know if you need help next weekend.  Finally, Cac (Coc) gets the love it deserves ;D
As long as the weather is bearable I will be digging holes!

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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2014, 12:09:36 PM »
You might actually inspire me to mowe down those ugly cypress trees in my backyard and plant down my mangoes and cherimoyas.  I will have to wait till the weather get better before i start digging holes though

Mr Bender did not mention it here but he had some large trees removed to make room for his new fruit trees. I saw the aftermath a few months ago with a lifetime supply of saw dust and wood chips for mulching. I mean don't go overboard, but I am a believer in getting fruit trees in and non-fruiting trees out. A generalization of course. I did so on my property, removing four trees. Putting in edible landscaping as opposed to plain old "ornamentals"

Two months ago my next door neighbor cut down some menacing trees. That would not do well in high persistent winds. They provided so much shade they were shading other peoples yards too much. I got permission to haul off lots of wood chips to mulch my fruit trees :)

Zands while I agree, it also pains me to see people destroy beautiful native trees, especially in Florida where so much has already been cleared away. I'm all for removing invasives and poorly adapted ornamentals. But I hope people have the good sense to plant around live oaks and slash pines and mahoganys.
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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2014, 12:33:56 PM »
Avocado plantings for next week: 2- Oro negro, Nishikawa,utardo,yamagata,Kahalu, malama. Lots of hole digging in my future!

Mike, will you have these new avocado varieties available for sale (trees, not fruit)?
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2014, 12:56:14 PM »


Zands while I agree, it also pains me to see people destroy beautiful native trees, especially in Florida where so much has already been cleared away. I'm all for removing invasives and poorly adapted ornamentals. But I hope people have the good sense to plant around live oaks and slash pines and mahoganys.

My ideal mini farm would have native trees that I would be coppicing, trimming and chipping to make mulch for my fruit trees and garden. Wood chip mulch is the most useful gardening item I discovered in Florida

Whatever Mr Bender cut down I'll bet his neighbors are more than making up for with their native trees. Bender planting his mini-orchard is much less common that the people who will keep their "live oaks and slash pines and mahoganys."  Just my opinion  8)

Also to compensate for whatever trees were removed, Mr Bender is creating a real agricultural demonstration place/crossroads/nursery/fruit sales/fruit tree sales place that will teach and inspire others to start in their own yard with our Florida fruit trees
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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2014, 01:23:14 PM »
That Hawiian Kaimana Lychee made me a fanatic of the Lychee!!!!! So sweet!!!! Ultra Honey sweet goodness!
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2014, 01:31:23 PM »
Oh no without a doubt, this isnt a critique of Bender. Im pretty sure he cut down bunchoisias which are highly invasive. My comment was more of a general lament.

To other forum members, before you clear cut your property to make room for fruit trees, think about what you are destroying and your place in your corner of the world.

It always best to not act completely selfishly....in my opinion. Also, people are idiots and cut down 50 yr old slash pines, oaks, and mahognys to make way for exotic bromeliads and impatiens...I see it happen all the time even though its technically illegal.


Also Zands, from someone who has a grove that is regularly trimmed and chipped for mulch. You will never have enough mulch produced for your orchard just from trees your grow unless you have like 5 acres of mature trees for mulch to every 1 acre you plant. Tree trimming services give them stuff away though.
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2014, 01:39:40 PM »
I have 7 live oaks, 3 mature +20 year old. And 4 recently planted 7-10 year ones. I intended to clear the 3 smaller ones and leave the mature ones. I love the live oak trees, but unfortunately there is not enough room for 7 mature live oaks.
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2014, 02:50:17 PM »
For the record we cut down a bochofia that was 20 ft around, it was so massive they had to rent industrial chainsaws. We also removed a seedling sapodilla 2 hurricane damaged lychees and a nasty tamarind. Hence all the room for new and better fruit Varieties

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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2014, 03:29:52 PM »
It's a wonder that your other trees got ANY nutrients.  That thing was a beast
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2014, 07:06:07 PM »
Yah, the amount of mulch needed to sustain an orchard is much higher than what a few trees can provide.

I use around 200 cubic yards per 1/4 acre per year. However, the amount of mulch generated from 1/4 acre worth of tree pruning is not even 1/10th that much. Figure a 20 year old mango tree cut to the ground might produce around 10 yards of mulch? So, I'd need to execute 20 20 year old mangoes per year to mulch over 1/4 acre of land.

The nice thing about FL is that trees grow faster than rocket-propelled frogs, and there are an abundance of homeowners love to save money by contracting hat-racking tree butchers -- so there's always an abundance of tree trimmer mulch.
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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2014, 07:51:01 PM »
Regarding the not cutting down ornamentals to make way for fruit trees, here's my take:

I don't know about Homestead, but the city gov'ts in this area have lists of "approved" trees, which very strongly favors non-fruiting trees (eg, mango is not on the list of "approved" trees for Tamarac). And, you'll further note that the trees that line the roads and highways are mostly non-fruiting ornamentals representing a handful of species. So, I would argue that we currently have a monoculture consisting of a limited group of ornamental trees which needs to be balanced by plantings of exotic fruit trees -- and replacing ornamentals with fruit trees helps to accomplish that.

Cutting down a tree to replace it with an ocean of grass is certainly something I would frown upon, but, but cutting down a non-fruiting shade tree to replace it with a fruit tree which will eventually develop into a shade tree that supports a community of wildlife is a good thing.

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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2014, 07:52:14 PM »
Jeff  :-)

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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2014, 08:07:42 PM »
Actually Jeff, that list of approved trees is more than 50% native trees. Which support much more wildlife than fruit trees do.

Im not trying to be critical of anybody, but before you cut down a beautiful tree just because it doesnt produce fruit for you, I recommend you stop and think.

And if you have the space I always recommend planting something native, especially is a marginal area like along a lake shore or a long a shade strip of yard.
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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2014, 08:29:33 PM »
In Davie all natives are protected. You cannot cut anything down legally unless a non native and the canopy must be replaced. Davie and SW Ranches are pretty much all the Open space left in Browsrd

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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2014, 11:43:54 PM »
I don't know... I've seen several gardens consisting primarily of non-natives (mostly fruit trees) that have quite an abundance of wildlife -- including my own yard. One sort of has to fight off the wildlife to preserve their crop down here.

IFAS has an interesting article on the topic of natives vs exotics. A couple of interesting points that they make are:

 0) The belief that natives utilize less input (eg, water, fertilzer) than exotics is not supported by recent research
 1) The belief that native trees are more pest resistant is also not correct, since exotic pests are regularly introduced

The only valid / strong argument for using native trees, according to the IFAS article, is that it serves as an educational tool to teach folks about the natural plants of the area.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/eh157

Forcing / pushing everyone to plant native for purely pedagogical purposes seems a bit overboard to me.

In California, where it takes the native trees (eg, oaks) hundreds of years to get big, protecting the native trees is much more important.

Actually Jeff, that list of approved trees is more than 50% native trees. Which support much more wildlife than fruit trees do.

Im not trying to be critical of anybody, but before you cut down a beautiful tree just because it doesnt produce fruit for you, I recommend you stop and think.

And if you have the space I always recommend planting something native, especially is a marginal area like along a lake shore or a long a shade strip of yard.
Jeff  :-)

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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2014, 01:52:18 PM »
The planting continues, just got done repotting and grafting and taking care of customers so just put In a Giant e-15 carambola, (fruit is giant not the tree) 2- Oro Negro avocados, now taking. Break and the gonna plant 2-Hialeah Red cados! Then I have to decide. What's next!!!

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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2014, 02:33:17 PM »
Cool!
Do mamey sapote trees do well in your property? Just curious.
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2014, 03:27:04 PM »
Cool!
Do mamey sapote trees do well in your property? Just curious.
They don't like my mucky soil. They tent to get clorotic

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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2014, 03:31:54 PM »
 Rapoza, 2-Hialeah Reds, and CAC, that is it for today. No more digging! MillerTime

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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2014, 10:53:41 AM »
Started my new plantings today, so far: Silas Woods, Hasya, Alano,Morena,Molix Sapodilla, mangos, Yai Grom, France's Hargrave, Cabesa, Kaimana lychee, 2-big red sugar apples, Miami Soursop, FernAndez custard aplle now some rest!!

Mike (or others), What do you know about cabesa mango? 
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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2014, 11:08:36 AM »
How have the Hawaiian avocado varieties done for you so far?  I've gotten some of them as well and will be trying them out here in California.  (Are those Hawaiian varieties common in Florida?  I assume not, but I have no idea.)

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« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2014, 11:26:56 AM »
How have the Hawaiian avocado varieties done for you so far?  I've gotten some of them as well and will be trying them out here in California.  (Are those Hawaiian varieties common in Florida?  I assume not, but I have no idea.)

They are filtering in, but haven't been, and are not currently popular.  Carlos' tests are inspiring us though
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« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2014, 11:57:02 AM »
How have the Hawaiian avocado varieties done for you so far?  I've gotten some of them as well and will be trying them out here in California.  (Are those Hawaiian varieties common in Florida?  I assume not, but I have no idea.)

The only one I have any experience with is Nishikawa.  It seems to be one that grows well and will be, at the very least, productive for the backyard grower.  The only issue I see is trying to figure out the right time to harvest them here.
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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2014, 12:30:44 PM »
I don't know... I've seen several gardens consisting primarily of non-natives (mostly fruit trees) that have quite an abundance of wildlife -- including my own yard. One sort of has to fight off the wildlife to preserve their crop down here.

IFAS has an interesting article on the topic of natives vs exotics. A couple of interesting points that they make are:

 0) The belief that natives utilize less input (eg, water, fertilzer) than exotics is not supported by recent research
 1) The belief that native trees are more pest resistant is also not correct, since exotic pests are regularly introduced

The only valid / strong argument for using native trees, according to the IFAS article, is that it serves as an educational tool to teach folks about the natural plants of the area.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/eh157

Forcing / pushing everyone to plant native for purely pedagogical purposes seems a bit overboard to me.

In California, where it takes the native trees (eg, oaks) hundreds of years to get big, protecting the native trees is much more important.

Jeff,

Thanks for posting that information. I never understood the "native" plant obsession since natives are defined usually by some arbitrary date. If municipalities want to plant natives on public lands, that is fine but there is no reason they should have any say on what I plant, don't plant, or remove on private property.

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« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2014, 12:51:42 PM »
I don't know... I've seen several gardens consisting primarily of non-natives (mostly fruit trees) that have quite an abundance of wildlife -- including my own yard. One sort of has to fight off the wildlife to preserve their crop down here.

IFAS has an interesting article on the topic of natives vs exotics. A couple of interesting points that they make are:

 0) The belief that natives utilize less input (eg, water, fertilzer) than exotics is not supported by recent research
 1) The belief that native trees are more pest resistant is also not correct, since exotic pests are regularly introduced

The only valid / strong argument for using native trees, according to the IFAS article, is that it serves as an educational tool to teach folks about the natural plants of the area.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/eh157

Forcing / pushing everyone to plant native for purely pedagogical purposes seems a bit overboard to me.

In California, where it takes the native trees (eg, oaks) hundreds of years to get big, protecting the native trees is much more important.

Jeff,

Thanks for posting that information. I never understood the "native" plant obsession since natives are defined usually by some arbitrary date. If municipalities want to plant natives on public lands, that is fine but there is no reason they should have any say on what I plant, don't plant, or remove on private property.

I agree with you 100 percent.
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« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2014, 12:52:18 PM »
And note that Cyprus trees the one guy talked about cutting down, those are protected trees in most places and you will need a special permit if it is even given. Where I live in Central FL, good luck, even if it isnt a tree wetland and just a rain collection spot during the rainy season. If it has a Cyprus, you get to build your property around it, no ifs ands or buts. Oh and don't think the Dept of Natural Resources doesn't know where every bloody Cyprus tree is in occupied areas. My friend made that mistake, it was a very expensive mistake.

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« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2014, 12:55:59 PM »
And note that Cyprus trees the one guy talked about cutting down, those are protected trees in most places and you will need a special permit if it is even given. Where I live in Central FL, good luck, even if it isnt a tree wetland and just a rain collection spot during the rainy season. If it has a Cyprus, you get to build your property around it, no ifs ands or buts. Oh and don't think the Dept of Natural Resources doesn't know where every bloody Cyprus tree is in occupied areas. My friend made that mistake, it was a very expensive mistake.

If you see any cyprus seedlings sprouting in your property, rip it out and walk away whistling like if nothing happened. lol   ;)
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2014, 10:11:03 AM »
No joke. A few official groups are allowed to cut them down. My drainage district is allowed to cut them to keep the canal banks clear. I would prefer them allow them to grow.

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Re: New plantings have begun!
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2014, 11:28:42 AM »


Jeff,

Thanks for posting that information. I never understood the "native" plant obsession since natives are defined usually by some arbitrary date. If municipalities want to plant natives on public lands, that is fine but there is no reason they should have any say on what I plant, don't plant, or remove on private property.
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Totally agree.  I think there is a misguided notion that non-natives are all invasive.  Obviously, invasive species are destructive, but that's not what non-natives or "exotics" are.  Sure, some may be invasive, but many are not.  I would rather see them incentivize to get what they want rather than taking away landowner rights.  This country is only free when it wants to be.  Stay out of my yard!!   
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