double wedge graft, anyone attempted?

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Soon I will attempt the following, but wondering if anyone has attempted or heard of this method.

Take two scions prepared for a cleft graft, and line them up side by side, and insert them into the same root stock.

Would they heal together (the two scions)in the middle cut, and also heal to either side thats touching cambium of rootstock?

like a sandwich cleft graft.

Sounds tricky but plausible in theory.

[Sleepdoc]

Sounds cool ... give it a shot 

[HMHausman]

Never heard of it being done, but in theory, I don't see why it wouldn't work if it was lined up properly.  Where did you get the idea from?

Harry

[DuncanYoung]

May already be a technique used in top working when you have a larger diameter rootstock?  I haven't used it, but have seen it in propagation books.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Never heard of it being done, but in theory, I don't see why it wouldn't work if it was lined up properly.  Where did you get the idea from?

Harry

I got the idea from those voices I hear in my head.

I'll let you know how it turns out!  Maybe I'll try with white sapote first.

[lkailburn]

like this?


or is that still a regular cleft

-Luke

[FlyingFoxFruits]

no...the two scions would touch each other...so it would be like two scions touching in the middle, and then touching rootstock on either side of cuts on scion that aren't in the middle (touching each other)

like wedging two chisels into the same single slice into a cleft graft rootstock...chisels being scions, with bevels touching.

hard to explain i guess

[lkailburn]

I think i kind of understand. The only thing i could think going wrong would be if the two scions are touching, and one took, but the other didn't, when the other decays it could jeopardize the one graft that took. Maybe? *shrug* i'm not sure. I think you should try it anyways and see what happens!

-Luke

[FlyingFoxFruits]

u definitely understand!

that's my main fear as well!

i will try anyways

[mikesid]

What plant are you thinking of using this method on? Wrap it tight and keep it under mist...might have more luck...

[Patrick]

like this?


or is that still a regular cleft

-Luke

If you split it in quarters you could do four!

[CoPlantNut]

I haven't tried a graft like that, but I bought a Japanese Maple which had two wedge grafts placed side-by-side with the scion wedges meeting in the middle.  It did great for at least 4 years until an early, heavy snowstorm last fall weighed down the limbs; one side of the double graft simply snapped off at the graft line.  This doesn't seem to have killed the other scion, but I don't have high hopes for it in the next heavy snowfall.
 


   Kevin

[Patrick]

I haven't tried a graft like that, but I bought a Japanese Maple which had two wedge grafts placed side-by-side with the scion wedges meeting in the middle.  It did great for at least 4 years until an early, heavy snowstorm last fall weighed down the limbs; one side of the double graft simply snapped off at the graft line.  This doesn't seem to have killed the other scion, but I don't have high hopes for it in the next heavy snowfall.
 


   Kevin

Maybe build a nice splint for it?

[CoPlantNut]

Maybe build a nice splint for it?

Yeah, I could, though the tree now looks funny and very lop-sided.  I was thinking of perhaps bud-grafting onto the remaining trunk and then decapitating the whole thing to try and get a more weather-proof, attractive tree.  Or I could just replace it with a nice honeyberry bush and get more fruit. 

   Kevin