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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Looking for Borneo tips in June
« on: May 11, 2013, 01:01:06 PM »
I'm planning to head to Malaysian Borneo in June.

Do people have tips on Borneo?  I'm looking for tips on:
 Fruit:
    -what's in season in June
    -local fruit names
    -good markets (name & location)
    -gardens (private / public) for seeing & trying fruits
    -guide trips for finding wild fruits in National Parks or elsewhere

 General:
    -recommended transport options and ones to avoid
    -general opinions on cultural attractions (what to see, what to skip)
    -ideas on how long to spend at various locations.  For instance, my wife wants to spend a night in a longhouse (however, seeing longhouses in Sumatra, I'd like to visit them but not spend overnight there).

My wife is suggesting an itinerary where most of the time we spend in Sarawak: Kuchin, Muru National Park (about 5 days in each); Sabah Kota Kinabalu (3-4 days).  She is less interested in Sabah because of the turmoil closing parts of it.  However, Red Durian has mentioned parts of it (like Tenom Horticultural Park) which sound nice

I sent PM's to a few people on this but maybe it fits for a general discussion (though it is not completely fruit oriented), also I don't see the PM's I sent in my outbox :(
   

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Naranjilla when is it ripe?
« on: January 20, 2013, 05:31:48 PM »
I got some naranjilla plants from a local garden that was going to compost them.

Gardens around here like naranjilla, typically they plant the spiny & hairy ones.  The fruits turn orange near the end of August.

I've tried them in Aug & Sept when the fruits are orange and typically they are dry and flavorless.

I figured it was either the variety (which probably isn't the standard one grown for production but just some "landscape" one) or the growing conditions (short outdoor season here).

Today I was watering them and a few of the orange fruits fell off.  It oozed out seeds and I tried it finding it tasted quite nice (still too many seeds, too little flesh vs. the commercial ones I had in Costa Rica, but for a freebie it was great).

Do people typically wait for the fruits to fall off?  I'd always thought the color change would indicate ripeness.  Maybe with the comparatively short & cool season around here they need some extra time.  How does one tell if the fruits are ready?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / That's the last time I eat parrot and gourd!
« on: January 06, 2013, 10:19:16 AM »
Ok, probably I should post this on OT but it is just too hilarious- and there are a number of fruits in the poster....

This is an "educational" poster of what things one shouldn't eat together.  I saw it being sold in Yangon, and looking back I should have purchased this poster as it is incredibly whacky.  There were other educational posters that were reasonable such as one on fruits that had wrong English names for some but probably correct Burmese names for all (I did buy that one).

Apparently if you eat "parrot" and "gourd" you die, same with "starfruit" and "chocolate"....


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Unidentified Garcinia
« on: January 06, 2013, 10:07:11 AM »
So I encountered a Garcinia species in Burma that has me stumped.

The fruits are slightly smaller than the average mangosteen.  They are covered with a brown powdery material that washes off with a little effort.  The skin underneath is green (because they are only ripe later in Jan or maybe Feb) and supposedly turns yellow when ripe.  The interior flesh is white.

Any ideas of what species it is?









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / soapberry bugs
« on: December 06, 2012, 04:41:31 PM »
Ok, this is weird...
we know that the soapberry family has maple, box elder, as well as fruits like lytchee, longan, ackee, queenpa, rambutan, pulusan, caw.....
but there is a site devoted to the bugs that live on these plants

http://soapberrybug.org/01_cms/details.asp?ID=1

Well, I guess it had to happen since "caw" (Schleichera oleosa) is a lot less well known for its fruit than how it is a host tree to the scale bugs that produce "lac"->shelac

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Reforestation in India
« on: December 06, 2012, 10:04:32 AM »
Got this in an email from Shree Padre, since the trees include jackfruit I'm assuming it isn't OT:

http://www.civilsocietyonline.com/pages/Details.aspx?212


 Shree Padre, Kasargod (Kerala)

Two decades ago nobody wasted their time planting trees in Perla, a small town near the Kerala-Karnataka border. Coaxing a new plant to grow here was impossible. This rocky land was so barren that if a stray dog strolled around you could see it at a distance from all four sides. The town sat on a hard bed of black top laterite soil, condemned as infertile.

Yet 15 years later a miracle has occurred. Sixteen acres of this same stubborn land are now covered with an impressive forest. A local high school has accomplished this feat with persistence and devotion. On about four acres a canopy of trees and plants protect the ground from the merciless sun, providing humidity for smaller grasses and plants to grow.

“We began in 1998 by starting a Nature Club. It was inaugurated by the late environmentalist Shampa Daitota,” recalls Shivakumar, headmaster of Sathyanarayana High School (SNHS) in Perla. “Every monsoon we used to bring hundreds of saplings and plant them here. Without fail, they would all die.” Faced with such a high failure rate the school began to wonder if their dream of growing a forest was really just a chimera.

They changed their strategy. The school began to plant bigger two-year-old plants from nurseries belonging to Karnataka’s forest department. A few of these survived.  At this time six teachers of the school were all going to retire. Younger teachers requested them to sponsor a plant each for Rs 300. The money was used to build enclosures for the new plants so that goats wandering around wouldn’t chew them up.

Local people laughed at the school’s efforts. How can you expect plants to grow on hard laterite where no soil exists, they mocked.

“When school used to reopen after the weekend break, we would helplessly see that many of our new plants had been uprooted,” recalls a teacher. Then, there was the goat menace. If some plants sprouted, neighbours would cut them for green manure when the school was closed. The school’s pleas to residents to kindly let the plants grow fell on deaf ears.

The school’s Nature Club managed to raise some money from a few sympathetic local people to buy new plants. This time they made cylindrical enclosures from chicken mesh to protect them. But these, too, would vanish when school closed for the weekend. Thieves would steal the mesh to sell as scrap.

The teachers put their heads together and came up with an idea. They decided to protect the plants with plastic bags coated with white cement. This worked. Nobody was interested in picking up used plastic bags. The plants were finally safe.

Every class was assigned a patch of land to raise vegetation. During the monsoon the students, who are mostly from farming families, brought a few plants from their own farms and planted it here.

None of the teachers is a forestry specialist. But they have gained a lot of wisdom on how to raise a forest on hard laterite land. “If you observe the ground closely, you will notice fissures on the surface. These fissures have soil in them that can support plants. So we planted mostly on these fissures,” explains Govinda Joshi, a teacher.

They also noticed a few natural pits and depressions where planting could be done. “These have a very thin layer of soil. But plants can survive here,” says Umesh, a teacher and former convener of the Nature Club. Umesh says he has forgotten the endless number of times he brought cuttings of gliricidia all the way from his homestead by hiring an auto rickshaw. Gliricidia, locally called eetina gida (manure plant) is known to survive in such conditions.

Once one group of plants survives, they form an undercover of grass and small herbs beneath. When dry leaves begin to fall, the soil forming on the ground becomes rich in nutrients.

Teachers and students realized this was the turning point. They could now raise plants of higher utility. They planted mango, cashew and trees in the natural shelter created by the smaller group of plants.

“The initial growth of these tree species was very, very slow,” recalls one of the teachers. “But, after four to five years the trees began growing rapidly. May be the initial slowness was because the tree’s taproot had to penetrate the hard soil to reach the softer sub-soil underneath.”

Two jackfruit trees have grown big. Last year, one jackfruit tree yielded fruits for the first time. A few other tree species have also come up nicely.

Two years ago, the school invited Venkatrama Daitota, a well-known herbalist, to come and see their young forest. He identified about 150 plant species here. That number has probably increased to 500 species by now. “Even if we don’t plant anything, this vegetation will remain and spread out,”  says Umesh, full of hope.

One bonus of so many years of hard work is a surfeit of water. Every year towards the end of summer, water in the school’s open well would touch rock bottom. The school couldn’t extract even a pail of water.

Last year they pumped out water from the well to construct a building. “Even in late summer despite continuous pumping, the well did not dry up,” recalls Shivakumar.

No study has been done to find out how much groundwater levels have risen. At the top of the hillock there is a school building. In 1996, a rainwater harvesting awareness programme hosted by the school had attracted hundreds of villagers. Inspired, the teachers with very little effort, diverted water falling on the roof of the building to natural pits. “And now we find open wells newly dug near the school yield good quality water,” says a local resident.

The new vegetation and the cool microclimate it has created has inspired the school to raise a vegetable garden. In the last two years students and teachers have grown a few vegetables during the monsoon. They earned `5,000 and used the money to fence some of the land. Dozens of amla plants have been planted. The school hopes to raise an ‘amla van’ or forest.

“I think over the years we must have planted at least 10,000 plants. Finally, around 10 per cent have survived. But looking back, it was all worth it,” says  Keshava Prakash, a teacher.

 The school now plans to expand its teenage forest to surrounding vacant land. There are two old banyan trees on the fringes of the new forest. Teachers are dreaming of making this space into an open classroom but they don’t have the funds to do it so far.

 

Contact: SN High School, Perla, (04998) 226 477

Email:  11035perla@gmail.com
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Burma (Meowmar?) redux
« on: November 26, 2012, 08:43:56 PM »
So I started a thread about this before (sort of, sort of not) but I'm putting it out for some more fresh commentary and also for some other tidbits.

Does anyone have Burma advice (fruits to look for, local names, gardens (public / private), growers...)?

If the last post on this topic got faint interest here's something to add to the pot.... provided I find stuff there (and manage to get it back) I am willing to share my spoils.  Here is the way it works- typically I contact a friend in Florida and ask him if F&S has various things (I only do that if it is something "odd" that I feel they might not have).  If so typically I send him 2/3rds of what I have of that for F&S and himself, the remaining 1/3rd I keep for myself.  Things that aren't rare (rambutan, durian, mangosteen.... I don't even ask him about because I know F&S has it).  The stuff I don't send to him I keep a portion and a portion is up for grabs.  First priority is people who helped me in the past (like Luc, "Saifu", etc) after that I'll give out on the basis of informal trades.  That is to say it is on the honor system and unless you always require a trade to give something out, or you always charge for seeds, then I don't require anything in return (but ask if you have something interesting in the future that if you have extra please share with me).  If you do charge or do require seeds then I ask that we do a formal trade.

Kind of cheesy but I do plan on visiting the jumping cat temple- I do have to consult my deities when I'm there (hence meowmar).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / banana troubles
« on: October 12, 2012, 08:29:17 PM »
Today I got two banana plants for free (they were going to be composted) which I'm happy about (even though bananas are one of my least favorite fruits).  The bananas were about 6' but I had them cut about 8" from the base, so I could transport them and deal with them.

I was grapling with one of the bananas and after I'd gotten some of the sap on me I was warned that "banana juice" would stain one's clothing.  I was told the stain wouldn't be apparent until after I'd washed my clothes.  So my first question is how to eliminate this future stain.

My second question is- even after cutting them they are too big and heavy.  Does anyone have any tips for dealing with banana corms (like how to tease them apart, how to tell if you can't tease them apart)?

I have an Ensete ventricosum in a big pot that comes into the garage for the winter, but I'm not sure that real Musas are as hardy as Ensete.  Also I'm not sure that there is room in my garage for 2 cars 1 Ensete plant, 220 gallons of water, and 2 bananas.  Finally I'm not sure my back can take hauling the bananas up to the second floor (where I keep most of my plants in a room that my cats can't get into- more for my cats sake than my plants sake)

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I found some Garcinia benthamii (in the Kandy Botanical Gardens in Sri Lanka) in the summer of 2011.  I was aimlessly wandering about the Garcinias when I caught a whiff of a lovely scent.  It was similar to the scent of apples but with other floral overtones.  The odor lead me to a tree that had a huge number of fruits dropped at its base.  The fruits all looked like little pomegranates.

When it came time to start eating them I found that they were too acid for casual eating (I think they could eat the enamel off ones teeth), also they have a strange sticky substance right next to the seed that is annoying.  That being said the rest of the flavor was quite nice.  It was like mangosteen except instead of the plum-like flavors they were replaced with apple/crab apple like flavors.

I think if the acid level was reduced (they had sweetness, but just too much acid), and less of gummy substance then they could be a nice commercial fruit..

One odd bonus of them was that the rind was quite fragrant and could be used as a potpourri.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Garcinia subeliptica
« on: October 02, 2012, 02:16:15 PM »
Does anyone other than me eat this fruit?

I've noticed it is mainly grown as an ornamental (Taiwan, supposedly Japan and costal China too).

The fruits, when ripe, look like Fuyu persimmons.  They oddly taste like persimmons too (no sourness) the only problem is that the ones I've eaten are quite hard.

The flowers give off the aroma of butter.

The plants have an odd columnar habit of growing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Who let that white pig into the market?
« on: October 01, 2012, 09:31:00 PM »
Ok, some asked for it....

My wife took this shot of me eating durian in central Sumatra.
I like how the old lady has a look of shock and horror on her face, possibly it relates to my peculiar way of eating durian.  If I'm in a place where the tap water is drinkable then I assume my hands are always "dirty" thus I don't want to touch food (including durian segments) which means I eat it by "bobbing for durian".

And in that chipmunk like cheek pouch I'm cleaning off durian seeds...  sadly, having had my saliva on them doesn't protect the seeds I collect from customs agents.



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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / tubers on topic or off
« on: September 25, 2012, 11:30:21 AM »
Is discussing tubers rhizomes on topic or off?

I was thinking of discussing "Jerusalem artichoke" (Helianthus tuberosus), a native tuber... and also wondering if people had something to chime in about its "after effects".

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Recipes / Cupuassu milk
« on: September 11, 2012, 08:52:09 PM »
I use cupuassu pulp (haven't actually had it for several years but I used to get it once a year) in about the same ratio as cacao powder (though the flavor is very different), a little more cupuassu pulp than cacao though.

1 large glass of milk
~2tbs cupuassu pulp
sugar to taste (2-4tbs)

cupuassu pulp should be blended before hand, grind with the sugar, slowly add milk.

drink and relax!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mystery fruit
« on: September 11, 2012, 05:17:19 PM »
When I was in Indonesia I got to see some fruits I was unfamiliar with.

One of these is a small purple fruit (say 5mm across) with a dark purple (nearly black) shiny hard skin.  Fruits were on branched clusters with many tiny teardrop seeds inside.  The pulp was also intensely purple too.

At the time I tried it I didn't like it because it had a "vegetable" taste rather than a "fruit" taste but had I been expecting it I might not have minded.

Any ideas... also I might have seeds to share.  I say might because they've been soaking in water for ~2 days as I wasn't feeling well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mail order fruit recomendations
« on: September 09, 2012, 02:22:34 PM »
For those of us who don't live in the tropics, subtropics, or areas where interesting fruits are imported....  what recommendations are there for mail order fruit?

I've had good results with www.cherimoya.com but I'd like a wider palate of things to order.  Looking for things like feijoa, monstera,...  Whole Foods was (for a time) selling feijoa, monstera, white sapote,... at prices below standard mail order, but sadly they dropped that line (I think they should have promoted it with free samples, they could have garnered a lot of new customers that way) and so I don't even check them out anymore.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Burma, December, Fruit
« on: September 08, 2012, 09:25:54 PM »
Any tips for odd fruits in Burma in December?

Granted December is the wrong time of year but I doubt I could take a Burmese summer.
 
While I love the standard fruits like mangosteen, durian, longkong, rambutan... I put a premium on finding the odd offbeat relatives (nothing like finding a new species and eating it).

While I don't always find great fruits this way, I really enjoy trying something new.

Any tips for gardens, growers, markets, whatever...

Also has anyone gotten a USDA bulk seed permit?  Is it hard to do?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Litsea
« on: September 04, 2012, 11:26:30 AM »
I notice there is a lot of discussion about Persea americana on the list.

Is anyone growing the various Listea species with edible fruits.

I first got interested in the genus in looking for Litsea garciae but I get the feeling there are a lot of possibly interesting fruits in this genus.

In the Bali Botanical Gardens a local worker was nice enough to furnish me with fruits from a tree labled Litsea sp.  When I later ate one of the fruits I found it to be a bit strongly flavored for just eating by itself- but I think it could be a nice savory flavoring for salads, sandwitches...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mystery fruit in Indonesia
« on: August 27, 2012, 11:58:10 AM »
I encountered some odd fruits in a market in Indonesia (Sumatra... not too far from Lake Toba).

I forgot to ask for the local name.  I was told they weren't for fresh eating but for use in fish dishes.

They have green skin (light yellow green with a tinge of brown).  Lavender/pink flesh (seemed darkest near the seeds and lightest in the center).  No discernable smell.  Firm but not juicy or crunchy.  Seeds shaped like citrus pips but soft (as soft or softer than the surrounding flesh so when the fruits were cut so were the seeds).  Shape of the fruits varies from near spherical to lumpy (like many near spherical things mashed together).

The top fruit is a Pandanus, the bottom three are the mystery fruit in this image



These two have the mystery fruit on trays surrounded by other items




Not a great shot of a cut in half mystery fruit



Any ideas what this is?

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