Characteristics of Winterset and Triumph Persimmon trees?

[bradflorida]

Can anyone tell me which tree has the larger mature size of the two?

Which one is more productive?

Which one would be more tolerant of a less than full sun location?

Thanks!

Brad 

[Cookie Monster]

From my limited experience -- they are both small, but triumph is probably slightly smaller. Triumph is a branch breaker when given good soil. At Treehouse Nursery, the winterset produced gobs of fruit, but how it will perform on the east coast of FL is still up in the air, since it was recently introduced.

[bradflorida]

Thanks Jeff.   Today Lianne at Treehouse said that the mature Winterset Persimmon tree is one of her largest persimmon tree.  However largest is a relative term.  It ends up being about the size of a mature fuyu tree here. 

Brad

[johnb51]

It seems to be the case that a variety of persimmon will perform differently in different climates/locations.  Hachiya, for example, gets larger in Southern CA than in the Bay Area.  My sister has one in El Cerrito near the Bay that remains on the small side, whereas in L.A. I've seen them much larger.

My Triumph, by the way, is coming along nicely, but doesn't appear to be a vigorous grower.  I'm thinking of adding a Winterset because I'm pretty thrilled that we can even grow persimmons in South FL.

[Cookie Monster]

My 7.5 year old triumph (grafted Jan 06) is a full 5 feet tall. Super slow growers. Rilly slow.

[johnb51]

My 7.5 year old triumph (grafted Jan 06) is a full 5 feet tall. Super slow growers. Rilly slow.

Actually, mine is a year-and-a-half-old, and is about 5 feet tall.  I moved it last summer and messed up the roots a little so it had no growth until spring.

[bradflorida]

Thanks for the input, John and Jeff!

Brad

[gunnar429]

How do the fruits compare in terms of eating, harvest season?  Is the south florida persimmon worth consideration?

Thanks!

[gunnar429]

Got to taste some triumph persimmons from Benders Grove the other day.  They were smaller than i expected, but beautifully orange.  The first one i had was so good that I tried one a little firmer--Woah, was that a mistake!!

I thought the astringency had to do with when they were picked, but lesson learned:  eat persimmons when soft like a tomato.

Persimmons seem well worth it to grow, based on my sampling, which was only 1 cv.