Author Topic: What is this Garcinia? I got from Garden of Delights, Mislabeled as Cherapu (Read 18057 times)

FlyingFoxFruits · « **on:** March 09, 2012, 11:05:47 PM »

Got this mislabeled as cherapu, button mangosteen, G. prainiana.

What the heck is it? Any guesses? I have a few clues...It could be Madruno type sp., or some other South American type...they had those listed for sale on Garden of delights as well.

thanks in advance to who can figure out this long running mystery...

PS..I've seen these plants at someones house and they didn't know what they were.

I guess they could be anything...
but they look very peculiar, and particular...easy to spot out in a crowd...

What do I have to do, put it's pic on a milk carton?

fruitlovers · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2012, 02:19:42 AM »

Maybe you should shop for all your plants at Costco? They never mislabel anything, and if they do you could return it, up to a year later? Ofcourse they will never have any garcinias, so if you shop there you will have totally avoid your whole conundrum!

Seriously, the best way to id that plant is going to be when it flowers and fruits. But even before that it will be easier to ID as the plant gets larger. Too many garcinias look very similar at juvenille stage.
Oscar

bsbullie · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:32:06 AM »

Quote from: fruitlovers on March 10, 2012, 02:19:42 AM

Maybe you should shop for all your plants at Costco? They never mislabel anything, and if they do you could return it, up to a year later? Ofcourse they will never have any garcinias, so if you shop there you will have totally avoid your whole conundrum!
Seriously, the best way to id that plant is going to be when it flowers and fruits. But even before that it will be easier to ID as the plant gets larger. Too many garcinias look very similar at juvenille stage.
Oscar

Oscar - did you hear that noise way out in the Pacific ? That was me falling out of my chair in laughter.

+1,000000

Guanabanus · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2012, 10:29:12 AM »

Madruno have thorn-like spears on the leaf tips, like holly. These are not madruno.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2012, 11:13:18 AM »

Thanks for tip! I'll have to head to Costco to pick up some of those grafted mangosteens I saw...$45 is kind of steep, but I figure it's grafted, and Costco is known for quality.

Thanks

fruitlovers · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2012, 04:28:40 PM »

Don't get me wrong folks, i love Costco. All i was trying to say is don't make it your primary place for buying plants. If you buy one plant there i won't get mad at you, and i don't think anybody else will either!

Adam, did you try asking Murray Corman what the garcinia he sold you is?
Oscar

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #6 on:** March 10, 2012, 06:10:23 PM »

Murray doesn't seem to know. And doesn't seem like he's trying to find out too hard either.

It bothers me most because I bought 3 plants, in hopes of getting male / female... but the plant i got makes androgynous flowers, I'm certain...so I only needed one...and wasted 60 or so dollars.

The appearance is very easy to distinguish from prainiana, so I'm surprised this mistake was made...maybe it wasn't a mistake? I'll never know, but getting him to fill the order was like pulling bones out of my jaw. Easy mistake for some, but unambiguous mix up to me. the leaf of cherapu wraps around stem, and the leaves have much more impressed nerves.

Quote from: fruitlovers on March 10, 2012, 04:28:40 PM

Don't get me wrong folks, i love Costco. All i was trying to say is don't make it your primary place for buying plants. If you buy one plant there i won't get mad at you, and i don't think anybody else will either!
Adam, did you try asking Murray Corman what the garcinia he sold you is?
Oscar

Guanabanus · « **Reply #7 on:** March 11, 2012, 02:35:00 PM »

I don't remember the new growth's color of the Guapomó. This fruit from the Salacia genus of the Hippocrateaceae family was introduced from Bolívia to Florida in 1988 by Crafton Clift. The stiff opposite leaves and opposite branches and fruit all resemble mangosteens and bacurís, but are not related. I have one from seed of the one that fruited at Zill's back in the late 1990's--- very slow growing with my neglect to water it. I haven't seen new growth for a long time, and my old photo album done for Dr Al Will's class doesn't show new growth.

ericalynne · « **Reply #8 on:** March 11, 2012, 07:07:43 PM »

I am not an expert. My Garcinia exposure has been limited to those at Bill Whitman's and FSP. However, the picture looks a lot like my G. gardneriana which I start from seed from Whitman's fruit. While it is true that many of the young Garcinias look alike, I have grown at least five species young Garcinia and they all look similar but have their own "gist.'
Erica

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #9 on:** March 11, 2012, 09:49:05 PM »

Eicalynne,

you are on to something! I feel we are one step closer to figuring this out!
Found a link to this garcinia and we can rule it out! it has lance shaped leaves with points!

Mine don't have this feature!

Thanks kindly Ericalynne, I haven't had too much luck getting people to take a stab at it.

ericalynne · « **Reply #10 on:** March 12, 2012, 08:24:33 PM »

Always happy to provide an incorrect answer.

Can you post a better picture of the leaves?

Erica

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2012, 08:42:21 PM »

Ericalynn,
Did u try clicking on the photo? It's much larger than u may think. See if that works to show better detail.

Thanks!!!

Tomas · « **Reply #12 on:** March 12, 2012, 09:39:21 PM »

Garcinia spicata?

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2012, 10:25:56 PM »

YIKES!!!!

thats the most horrible garcinia fruit you can have i hear!

and Murray did stock that plant at the time of my purchase!!!

I'm almost certain its not spicata though...I've seen this one, and the leaves are much rounder than mine.

I did think for a while thats what it may be...but now I'm convinced its something else (from the Amercias)

Thanks for trying to help me figure this out Tomas!

fruitlovers · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2012, 10:36:51 PM »

I still think it's Garcinia madruno. Take a close look at p. 129 Lorenzi blue book. Keep in mind that new leaves look different coloration than old leaves photoed. If you don't believe me then you can just call it Garcinia sp. until it fruits.

It can join the long famous list of other unnamed Garcinia sp.'s.

Oscar

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2012, 12:21:55 AM »

Toptropicals has a pic of a plant called g madruno that looks very similar.

I think it may just be g madruno(Murray had
That species to)

Ive had that species as one of my main suspects based on photos I've seen.

Thanks very much for the input!!!

fruitlovers · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2012, 12:37:28 AM »

Quote from: Anikulapo on March 13, 2012, 12:21:55 AM

Toptropicals has a pic of a plant called g madruno that looks very similar.

I think it may just be g madruno(Murray had
That species to)

Ive had that species as one of my main suspects based on photos I've seen.

Thanks very much for the input!!!

FYI, the plant that Whitman had labeled as Charichuela has very different leaves than the madruno pictured in Lorenzi's book, though i thought Whitman's charichuela was some version of madruno. The garcinia mystery goes on.....
Anyway if it is madruno you're in better luck than if it's spicata. HAHA
Oscar

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2012, 01:02:16 AM »

oscar,

I loaned my book to someone (right when I need it to!)

but I remember it saying that the G. madruno has angular growth habit of branches right???

Mine certainly has this feature, as compared to all other garcinias I grow....If you look at my pics, notice new branches shoot out at about a 45 degree angle...

Maybe we have identified this one???

I hope!!

Now I'm glad I have 3 if thats the case!

thanks as usual for the good feedback Oscar

fruitlovers · « **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2012, 02:32:15 AM »

Quote from: Anikulapo on March 13, 2012, 01:02:16 AM

oscar,

I loaned my book to someone (right when I need it to!)

but I remember it saying that the G. madruno has angular growth habit of branches right???

Mine certainly has this feature, as compared to all other garcinias I grow....If you look at my pics, notice new branches shoot out at about a 45 degree angle...

Maybe we have identified this one???

I hope!!

Now I'm glad I have 3 if thats the case!

thanks as usual for the good feedback Oscar

What book actually says is that "new growth branches are somewhat angular". "Leaves are simple, coriaceous, glabrous on both surfaces, brilliant, 12-20 cm long."
Oscar

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #19 on:** March 13, 2012, 02:52:10 AM »

thanks oscar!

If u look at my photos, the new growth branches are angular...much more than others I grow!

Hope this is it!

I'd love to eat that one!

thanks

fruitlovers · « **Reply #20 on:** March 13, 2012, 03:03:24 AM »

Madrono is very tasty. If it's that one you will be very happy you bought 3 from Murray. If its spicata you will probably beat up Murray. HAHAHA
Oscar

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #21 on:** March 13, 2012, 05:12:44 AM »

http://toptropicals.com/pics/garden/05/10/0570.jpg

here is pic of madrono from top tropicals webpage..its the closest ive seen to what I have!

I'm convinced we figured out the riddle!!!

Great job to all!

Thanks Oscar, Tomas, Ericalynne, and all who contributed...

Even if i'm wrong, I'm satisfied with believing a lie for now!

BUT gee golly, I do think we have a match!

THanks again!

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #22 on:** March 13, 2012, 05:25:58 AM »

here another link to what looks like same leaf!

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Wlj&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1013&bih=601&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=XgjPCG6YahiUgM:&imgrefurl=http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/plant/Madrono.htm&docid=6c08fGFSHUSopM&imgurl=http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/i/b/Madrono.jpg&w=671&h=1189&ei=ZhJfT7fYII3qtgfJ_Mz7Bg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=278&vpy=111&dur=845&hovh=299&hovw=169&tx=90&ty=148&sig=115099592437118773346&page=1&tbnh=122&tbnw=86&start=0&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0

fruitlovers · « **Reply #23 on:** March 13, 2012, 06:16:12 PM »

Adam, i guessed madrono many months ago on yahoo rarefruit group. My mistake at that time was associating the madrono with Whitman's charichuela. But i see now those 2 can't be the same as leaves are very different.
Oscar

TropicalFruitHunters · « **Reply #24 on:** March 13, 2012, 08:35:05 PM »

I wouldn't believe a photo from TopTrots if the world's foremost expert was standing in the picture with a sign in front of the plant! I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I believe the plants more closely resemble my lemon drop mangosteen more than the madruno. My seedling madronos nearing that size have much larger leaves than the ones in these pics. The new growth on mine resemble big floppy ears that hang down before hardening off. Just my two cents.

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