Author Topic: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous (Read 389220 times)

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #100 on:** March 17, 2013, 03:56:19 PM »

The Blue Jaboticaba trees (in 25 gal pots) were not watered quite enough. I missed the chance to water them during critical dry periods, and should have put them in a dish (kiddie pool) as I've done in the past...I really think this tree benefits from sitting in the water for short periods, especially while fruit is on the tree...you simply can't water them enough.

It just takes the right grower, with the right attitude, and these can really make some large delicious fruits. Here is the largest one my tree has made so far, although it had an unusually high amount of seeds, the fruit still offered enough edible portion to satisfy me. The texture and taste is so much different than any other Myrciaria I can think of...I always am reminded of rollinia pulp, mixed with jaboticaba pulp (surrounded by a key lime / pitanga, tasting skin, at first I detested this flavor aspect, but learned to enjoy in moderation....and how to avoid it almost entirely, using a knife to cut the fruits in half, prior to consumption)

I will be sure to post when I've got some larger ones. I know I can get them even bigger.

fruitlovers · « **Reply #101 on:** March 18, 2013, 01:58:06 AM »

Lot bigger than i thought! Is that the average size or did you pick the very largest fruit to photo? Thanks for posting. Keep em coming.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #102 on:** March 18, 2013, 10:06:46 AM »

Quote from: fruitlovers on March 18, 2013, 01:58:06 AM

Lot bigger than i thought! Is that the average size or did you pick the very largest fruit to photo? Thanks for posting. Keep em coming.

It was one of the largest fruits I had. I will produce an even bigger one soon!
the trees still have some fruits that are green...One thing I'm really starting to love about M. vexator is the long season, and durable fruits. The longer they sit on the tree (up until a certain point of course) the better they taste (the skin gets thinner, less tannic, and the pulp becomes sweeter).

I will keep em coming! keep an eye out for me!

fruitlovers · « **Reply #103 on:** March 18, 2013, 06:33:50 PM »

HAHA, you should do same photo using your largest vexators for eye balls. Interesting that this is one of the few myrciarias that doesn't originate in Brazil, but Venezuela. Maybe that is why it is so different?

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #104 on:** March 18, 2013, 07:07:10 PM »

I thought they're indigenous to the Osa Peninsula of Costa Rica.

fruitlovers · « **Reply #105 on:** March 18, 2013, 10:12:20 PM »

Quote from: ASaffron on March 18, 2013, 07:07:10 PM

I thought they're indigenous to the Osa Peninsula of Costa Rica.

Panama, CR, Venezuela, and Ecuador.

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-007-2534-8_87#page-1

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #106 on:** March 18, 2013, 10:37:12 PM »

hey thanks for the info Oscar.. I wonder how many varieties there are!!! I can almost guarantee there is an amazing variety out there!!! I've noticed a good amount of seedling variation....as far as foliage size, speed of growth, and fruit size/ quality.

fruitlovers · « **Reply #107 on:** March 18, 2013, 10:44:53 PM »

Quote from: ASaffron on March 18, 2013, 10:37:12 PM

hey thanks for the info Oscar.. I wonder how many varieties there are!!! I can almost guarantee there is an amazing variety out there!!! I've noticed a good amount of seedling variation....as far as foliage size, speed of growth, and fruit size/ quality.

Because area of distribution is so big i would think you are right and there probably is quite a bit of variation. If you look up USDA records you can see where original experimental station material was sourced. I'm guessing from just one country.

jc · « **Reply #108 on:** March 20, 2013, 09:08:08 PM »

Now I know I don't qualify for membership, however any advice from the membership is appreciated.

Got this beautiful red jabo that I want to plant out but I have a Q or 2 first.

1. Are the roots destructive and do they spread past the drip line?
2. How old is this tree (approximately) 1, 2, +?
3. How well do they fruit in pots vs in ground?

fruitlovers · « **Reply #109 on:** March 20, 2013, 10:55:00 PM »

Quote from: jc on March 20, 2013, 09:08:08 PM

Now I know I don't qualify for membership, however any advice from the membership is appreciated.

Got this beautiful red jabo that I want to plant out but I have a Q or 2 first.

1. Are the roots destructive and do they spread past the drip line?
2. How old is this tree (approximately) 1, 2, +?
3. How well do they fruit in pots vs in ground?

1. No
2. 3 years old
3. If you have good soil put it in the ground. If your soil is just a bag of limestone follow Adam's advice and grow it in a pot.

jc · « **Reply #110 on:** March 21, 2013, 06:29:01 AM »

Quote from: fruitlovers on March 20, 2013, 10:55:00 PM

Quote from: jc on March 20, 2013, 09:08:08 PM
Now I know I don't qualify for membership, however any advice from the membership is appreciated.

Got this beautiful red jabo that I want to plant out but I have a Q or 2 first.

1. Are the roots destructive and do they spread past the drip line?
2. How old is this tree (approximately) 1, 2, +?
3. How well do they fruit in pots vs in ground?

1. No
2. 3 years old
3. If you have good soil put it in the ground. If your soil is just a bag of limestone follow Adam's advice and grow it in a pot.

Sweet! Sounds like its going in the ground. My "soil" is light sand.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #111 on:** March 22, 2013, 11:08:15 PM »

Nice tree JC!!

U r close to fruition...but putting the tree in the ground might slow it down. The tree will focus lots of energy on the roots. It's not a bad thing though...you'll have more fruits in the long run.

jc · « **Reply #112 on:** March 23, 2013, 05:36:07 AM »

Thank you. Definitely going to plant it out, just have to clear the right spot.

Quote from: ASaffron on March 22, 2013, 11:08:15 PM

Nice tree JC!!

U r close to fruition...but putting the tree in the ground might slow it down. The tree will focus lots of energy on the roots. It's not a bad thing though...you'll have more fruits in the long run.

jc · « **Reply #113 on:** March 23, 2013, 11:15:49 AM »

Anybody see any issues/problems with planting this red jabo in this space? Is the space too tight? I'll run irrigation to it and it will get about 6 hours of sun in the winter and 8+ in the summer.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #114 on:** March 23, 2013, 12:43:06 PM »

Looks real nice.

Just be sure to water it frequently, and to fertilize it regularly. Don't over do it on the fertilizer....it's really easy to kill a tree (especially with the synthetic fertilizers)

Pine Island uses a slow release fertilizer...and if u take one of their plants, and soak it in a dish..the coating on the fertilizer dissolves, leading to flash burn....which will kill your tree!

I've had several red jaboticabas die this way from PIN. This is why I don't like to use this type of fertilizer with jaboticabas...I like organic stuff instead.

jc · « **Reply #115 on:** March 23, 2013, 01:08:45 PM »

Thanks Adam. That's real good to know.

I've been using the Excalibur 8-3-9 w micros mix + 0-0-22+magnesium and a foliar routine on everything else on a monthly basis. I keep it light, but regular. The mangos and avos and others seem fine.

I'll have to watch the red jabo closely. I've hit it with a 20-20-20 + 0-0-26 foliar mix and a chelated micro nutrient foliar, but no granular fert yet. No issues so far with the foliars, it's got a good flush going now.

I'll plant it today, but wait until next month's granular fert day to test the Excalibur mix, lightly!

This tree looks great right now, I'd hate to hurt it.

jc · « **Reply #116 on:** March 23, 2013, 01:49:50 PM »

Done!

Dangermouse01 · « **Reply #117 on:** March 23, 2013, 02:28:32 PM »

I have a question about keeping a jobo in a pot.
The yellow tub in the picture is about 20" inside diameter x 18" deep (tag calls it 23 gal). In the picture it has potatoes growing in it, I drilled a couple (4) holes, 1.25 inch diameter in the bottom for drainage.
If the jobo likes water, if I used the same style of tub, but instead of drilling holes in the bottom if I drilled holes in the side about 3-4 inches up from the bottom. Then if watered till water came out the side holes, it would basically be like sitting in a tray with water (or Adam's kiddie pool).
Would that plan work or would that be keeping it to wet?

Thanks.
DM

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #118 on:** March 23, 2013, 02:41:12 PM »

Yep,

I've seen this method work well, but be careful...U can rot the roots eventually.

The dynamics are a bit different when u have a kiddy pool (or a dish)....it's a safer bet in my opinion, because it allows for the roots in the pot to have better access to air.

Quote from: Dangermouse01 on March 23, 2013, 02:28:32 PM

I have a question about keeping a jobo in a pot.
The yellow tub in the picture is about 20" inside diameter x 18" deep (tag calls it 23 gal). In the picture it has potatoes growing in it, I drilled a couple (4) holes, 1.25 inch diameter in the bottom for drainage.
If the jobo likes water, if I used the same style of tub, but instead of drilling holes in the bottom if I drilled holes in the side about 3-4 inches up from the bottom. Then if watered till water came out the side holes, it would basically be like sitting in a tray with water (or Adam's kiddie pool).
Would that plan work or would that be keeping it to wet?

Thanks.
DM

Pan Dulce · « **Reply #119 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:15:25 PM »

I might be an addict. So I'll be looking for a mentor to keep me in trouble.

Got a Q for you Jabo Masters, can 1 year old seedlings handle full sun or do they grow better in a more shaded environment until they get to a certain age? Right now mine get morning sun and afternoon shade living under eave of the east facing side of my house. Just wondering how they will handle the summer sun vs. the winter sun. Would like to get some tips on speeding them up.

Hey Adam, I got a couple Vexator seedlings off you last spring, they are super slow growers, does the same apply to them?

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #120 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:26:29 PM »

for most species it's best to start them out in some shade for the first year at least...but most will tolerate full sun, if watered enough.

harveyc · « **Reply #121 on:** March 25, 2013, 05:48:03 PM »

Mostly lurk here, don't usually have much to post. My jaboticaba entered winter with what I'd estimated to be hundreds of flower buds and many of those died from cold weather (about 30 or so nights with frost with a low of 27F). However, I have many flower buds this spring and my first flowers opened today. This tree was purchased around June 2009 (Ong Nursery, San Diego) and was already about 7' tall at the time.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #122 on:** March 25, 2013, 06:21:42 PM »

luckily the rat pack hasn't been performing lately in the greenhouse, as a result some Blues and Reds made it through. I had to pick some early, just to be safe...and the reds were not watered enough...so the fruits came out medium/small. If you water them enough, they get quite large. About the same size as the largest blue jabo in this picture.

nullzero · « **Reply #123 on:** March 25, 2013, 06:28:21 PM »

Quote from: ASaffron on March 25, 2013, 06:21:42 PM

luckily the rat pack hasn't been performing lately in the greenhouse, as a result some Blues and Reds made it through. I had to pick some early, just to be safe...and the reds were not watered enough...so the fruits came out medium/small. If you water them enough, they get quite large. About the same size as the largest blue jabo in this picture.

Nice looking tasty fruit.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #124 on:** March 25, 2013, 06:54:49 PM »

Nullzy,

I can't believe I forgot to give u some reds to taste! I will make sure u get some ASAP!

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