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Title: sugarlata seedling
Post by: achetadomestica on August 15, 2020, 05:16:29 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/7bRS0WSV/sugarlata.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7bRS0WSV)






(https://i.postimg.cc/Bj73nHrX/sugarlata-fruit.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Bj73nHrX)
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Alejandro45 on August 15, 2020, 06:30:49 PM
Absolutely gorgeous Mike!
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Orkine on August 15, 2020, 06:55:53 PM
You, my friend, are certainly doing something right.
Very nice.  Hope to see this and others in your collection sometime soon.

Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: palingkecil on August 15, 2020, 08:11:15 PM
Beautiful tree. How old is it? What fertilizer do you use?
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Jabba The Hutt on August 15, 2020, 08:19:56 PM
Beautiful! The taste has to be magnificent :o
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: achetadomestica on August 16, 2020, 11:54:09 AM
Beautiful tree. How old is it? What fertilizer do you use?
Almost 3 years old
I mostly give annonas organics including manures, compost, coffee grounds, and I add fresh
mulch 2-3 times a year. Recently I gave the trees a dose of 8-4-8 Diamond R fertilizer with
micros
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Kevin Jones on August 16, 2020, 12:14:28 PM
Your tree looks LUSH!

Kevin Jones

Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Guanabanus on August 16, 2020, 12:18:25 PM
It likes like pure Sugar-Apple.

What makes you believe that it is one-half Annona reticulata?

If not, why the name "sugarlata"?
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: achetadomestica on August 16, 2020, 01:44:08 PM
It likes like pure Sugar-Apple.

What makes you believe that it is one-half Annona reticulata?

If not, why the name "sugarlata"?
The Fruit came from Painter On Pine Island. It is a seedling grown from this
fruit


(https://i.postimg.cc/SnPvdgrq/giant-sugar-apple.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SnPvdgrq)

I called the fruit Giant Sugar apple before I talked to John.
He came by and commented that the flowers were curled like his tree.
The leaves look nothing like the sugar apple leaves on my other trees?
I have two trees but the other one I left in a pot till this year, it's only 3'. I will be able
to compare the seedlings in the future.
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: JF on August 16, 2020, 01:45:57 PM
I agree w Har it does look like a regular sugar apple. Here is a hybrid saramoyo.


(https://i.postimg.cc/Hj3dTgcz/4-FF780-CC-CAFD-4-E77-9054-4-EBA442-DDC1-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hj3dTgcz)
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: achetadomestica on August 16, 2020, 05:24:42 PM
I agree w Har it does look like a regular sugar apple. Here is a hybrid saramoyo.


(https://i.postimg.cc/Hj3dTgcz/4-FF780-CC-CAFD-4-E77-9054-4-EBA442-DDC1-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hj3dTgcz)

I checked it again and it does look more like a sugar apple then a custard apple. The Sugar apple's leaves are
a little more narrow. It is a seedling though and I can't wait to try the fruit. I also have one Giant Yucatan
Pink saramoyo seedling  growing from your seeds JF. Maybe next year it will fruit?
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Guanabanus on August 16, 2020, 06:40:46 PM
Sugar-Apples vary a lot.
Custard-Apples vary a lot.
And in-between are Yucatan Saramuyos.

There is room for some discussion and arguements.
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Tropical Bay Area on November 20, 2020, 10:06:01 PM
Sugar-Apples vary a lot.
Custard-Apples vary a lot.
And in-between are Yucatan Saramuyos.

There is room for some discussion and arguements.
Do you have any fruits listed under here? I really like annonas, but my age kinda prohibits that. I have sugar apple, Rollinia, cherimoya, and pawpaw. The hybrids I will need to be grafted, anything else from seed. This is copy and pasted from my google document, so the images that are the fruit, flower, and foliage aren’t there.

Here is a guide to Annona fruits. Annonas are a family of fruiting plants that produce edible fruit that is often consumed. The trees are all found in the tropics or subtropics, with the exception of the genus of Asimina. This chart will be showing the FFF(Fruit, foliage, and flowers.)

These are the natural Annonas that grow true to seed and haven’t been hybridized.

Cherimoya | Annona cherimola
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Sugar apple | Annona squamosa
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Custard apple | Annona reticulata
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Rollinia | Annona Mucosa
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Beach sugar apple | Annona salzmannii
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Ilama | Annona macrophyllata
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Pond apple | Annona glabra
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Soursop | Annona Muricata
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Mountain soursop | Annona montana
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:
Marolo | Annona crassiflora
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Wild custard apple | Annona senegalensis
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Cawesh | Annona scleroderma
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Soncoya | Annona purpurea
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Beach custard apple | Annona parviflora
Fruit:
Foliage:Flowers:


These are Annona hybrids. These have been made by cross pollinating the original Annonas to make other fruits.
Atemoya | Annona cherimola x squamosa
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:
Temoylata | Annona cherimola x squamosa x reticulata
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Temoylama | Annona cherimola x squamosa x macrophyllata
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Cherilata | Annona cherimola x reticulata
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Cherilama | Annona cherimola x macrophyllata
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Pineapple annona | Annona muricata x glabra
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Birilata | Annona mucosa x reticulata
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

These are the only hybrids that have been created, are recognized by people and have been cultivated.

There are also some annonas in the annonaceae but not in the genus annona. These include:

Kepel | Stecholarpus burahol
Fruit:Foliage:Flower:

Pawpaw | Asimina triloba
Fruit:Foliage:Flower:

Fingersop | Meiogyne cylindrocarpa
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Junglesop | Anonidium mannii
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Pindaiba | Duguetia lanceolata
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Monkey Banana | Porcelia macrocarpa
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:

Monkey Pepper | Xylopia aromatica
Fruit:Foliage:Flowers:


And that’s about all the Annonas I know. I may have forgotten some but hope I educated you a bit. Thx for reading!
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Guanabanus on November 21, 2020, 12:59:33 PM
I have never seen visually verifiable "muricata  X  glabra" or "mucosa  X  reticulata."

Pictures please.
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Tropical Bay Area on November 27, 2020, 01:43:29 PM
I have never seen visually verifiable "muricata  X  glabra" or "mucosa  X  reticulata."

Pictures please.
ummm well both i dont have pictures of, but both are believed to be natural hybrids, so it cant be guarantied ...
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Tropical Bay Area on November 27, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
I have never seen visually verifiable "muricata  X  glabra" or "mucosa  X  reticulata."

Pictures please.
here! im an amatuer... i cant really say anything for sure, but im sure most annonas in the genus can be hybridized?

(https://i.postimg.cc/p5CN9N7v/20160712-104903annona-golden-TA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p5CN9N7v)
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: roblack on November 27, 2020, 02:31:35 PM
3 sugarlata seedlings in the hand do not beat one nice bush...
(https://i.postimg.cc/dDtxDtxv/Sugarlatas-11-2020.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dDtxDtxv)

...and re "pineapple annona," one fruit fell off my tree and got to it too late. It smelled really nice, and the ants were loving it. That was about two years ago. A few flowers, but no fruits since. Tree has been neglected, but is quite hardy. Will sample a fruit before giving up on it.
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Guanabanus on November 28, 2020, 09:22:50 AM
One cannot logically prove a negative, so one cannot prove that any particular species is "impossible to hybridize" with any other particular species;  however, many species appear to not be hybridizable, as they consistently reject any attempt to breed them.

The picture from a plant seller looks like Annona glabra.
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Tropical Bay Area on December 10, 2020, 08:32:49 PM
Sugar-Apples vary a lot.
Custard-Apples vary a lot.
And in-between are Yucatan Saramuyos.

There is room for some discussion and arguements.
sorry but what's a Yucatan Saramuyo?
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Oolie on December 10, 2020, 08:47:34 PM
Reticulata-squamosa intergeneric hybrids.

Like Prunus mume is an intergeneric hybrid of apricot and plum.

Interspecific hybrids are things like atemoya with known parentage.
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: NateTheGreat on December 11, 2020, 12:41:48 PM
Reticulata-squamosa intergeneric hybrids.

Like Prunus mume is an intergeneric hybrid of apricot and plum.

Interspecific hybrids are things like atemoya with known parentage.

Reticulata and squamosa are both in genus Annona, so interspecific not intergeneric, no? Prunus mume is a species. Apricot x plum = pluot, which are interspecific as well. Apple x quince, apple x pear, and shipova are intergeneric, between genera.
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Guanabanus on December 11, 2020, 01:58:18 PM
JF posted a picture above in this thread, of a Saramuyo, most of which are from the Yucatan Peninsula.  Some regular Sugar-apples get called that there also.  Some with larger fruits are called "injerto" in Yucatan.  "Injerto" literally means "grafted", but the market vendors mean "hybrid."  Rather confusing.
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Tropical Bay Area on December 14, 2020, 08:12:30 PM
JF posted a picture above in this thread, of a Saramuyo, most of which are from the Yucatan Peninsula.  Some regular Sugar-apples get called that there also.  Some with larger fruits are called "injerto" in Yucatan.  "Injerto" literally means "grafted", but the market vendors mean "hybrid."  Rather confusing.
so is sugarlata confirmed to be custard apple-sugar apple hybrid?
also i think there is a general rule for annona hybrids. what are all of them to your knowledge?

temoy=atemoya
cheri=cherimoya
sugar=sugar apple
lata=custard apple
moya=cherimoya
ate=sugar apple
biri=rollinia
lama=ilama

examples:
atemoya
temoylata
cheirlata
temoylama
sugarlata
etc
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: joaave on March 31, 2021, 09:02:32 AM
This is my less common annonas hybrid

(https://i.postimg.cc/0KQ4DbqK/rrrr173308.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0KQ4DbqK)
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: Guanabanus on March 31, 2021, 12:57:09 PM
Joaave,
Attractive fruit!  Is it a cross of two different Annona cherimola varieties?  Or Cherimoya with some other species?
Title: Re: sugarlata seedling
Post by: joaave on April 04, 2021, 10:48:27 AM
HI guanabanus seems like a rare atemoya...the fruits is similiar to avocado when the fruits its immature


(https://i.postimg.cc/zL32FKCF/annonara.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zL32FKCF)