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mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« on: January 20, 2018, 09:27:43 PM »
mangosteen and lychee, temperature kept at a constant 77-79°


the one in the very front is a citron

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2018, 10:19:48 PM »
My mangosteen seedling is still alive out in the cold. I'm tempted to put it in the ground.

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2018, 10:38:02 PM »
I can tell you that the small mangosteen plants are extremely sensitive, even to mildly cold weather, but also other things. I wouldn't try permanently planting it in Orange County unless you live in the more temperature moderate part, and have a good microclimate and spot in the yard for it, where it will be surrounded by other plants, partially shaded, will mostly only get morning sun, will get more sun into the Winter when the sun is at an angle, protected from wind, etc. In other words all the conditions would have to be completely optimal. I believe it's theoretically possible but you'd really have to know what you're doing, and have the right spot for it.

Do not put the seedling in the ground!
Nurture it and wait till it's at least 2 feet tall until you even think about leaving it out. And even under optimal conditions it may be quite some time before it reaches 2 feet tall, they've been extremely slow growing for me, and I have the temperature and humidity set at a perfect level.

I was told by the owner of ONG nursery that he knows of some Vietnamese people in Hacienda (out in San Diego, neighborhood close to the beach) that are growing Purple Mangosteen outside in a container, leaving it outside during the Winter under their patio, and that they got at least one fruit. That's what he told me, as best I can remember. That area is bordering on the edge between zone 10 and zone 11 so don't automatically think that success will transfer over to where you are.

Also realize the West Coast has had a very mild Winter this year.
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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2018, 12:11:26 AM »
growing lychee from seed is fun, but inefficient.

from seed it  can take 10+ years for them to fruit, and some may never fruit. most people grow lychees from air layers. i admit to have a couple grown from seed - it’s been about 3 years now and they are 1.5ft tall

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2018, 10:12:50 AM »
Growing Lychees from seed and then approach grafting with a sensitive variety such as No Mai Tsze, always Luk or Emperor May be the way to go. These three varieties are very sensitive to the soils in SoCal and I’ve heard they didn’t do so well in Florida as well. I have a bunch of Lychee seedlings growing and will attempt to approach graft them with Emperor this year.

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2018, 01:29:02 PM »
simon, how is growing your emperor? anything different to optimize their growth? i’m trying to grow a couple in contact bets here and they are small/compact with much smaller internode lengths (and lead size) than my sweetheart and mauritius

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2018, 05:08:02 PM »
I once had an Emperor that was treated same as all my other Lychees but it died out of the blue and upon further research, noticed that there was a pattern that it didn’t grow well as an air layer when grown in SoCal. It is a Mountain type Lychee and I believe it doesn’t like my high pH water and soil. Emperor is also one of the smaller growing varieties of Lychee so I’m not surprised at its slow growth.

My Lychee seedlings are now at the appropriate size for approach grafting so I will purchase a new Emperor this Spring for my experiments.

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2018, 09:39:41 PM »
i’ve noticed emperor is very distinctive growth - small and compact.  one very interesting tho g i noted with emperor is that they had almost no latency between growths. as soon as the new leaves matured it would put out a new flush immediately - all the way until december.

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2018, 01:23:37 AM »



Some of the little mangosteens are putting on new leaf growth, a very positive sign.

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2018, 03:48:10 PM »
Here you can see some of the mangosteens putting on new growth:

The new leaves begin red in color.

Here you can see a little mangosteen planted right next to Seashore mangosteen:

I plan to approach graft them once they become a little bit bigger.

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2018, 04:21:05 PM »
Here you can see some of the mangosteens putting on new growth:

The new leaves begin red in color.

Here you can see a little mangosteen planted right next to Seashore mangosteen:

I plan to approach graft them once they become a little bit bigger.
My seedlings are starting to put off new growth too

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2018, 05:19:25 PM »
The mangosteens are extremely slow growing, and a few of them don't seem to be doing really well.




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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2018, 01:14:03 AM »
wow! great job! looks like so much fun :)

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2018, 04:35:21 PM »
Here's a picture of the mangosteen from three months ago:


Here's a picture of it right now:


As you can see, some noticeable formation of new little leaflets, but not very much growth.

(The taller one in the container is G. hombriana, while the smaller one is G. mangostana. They are side by side so you can compare growth rates)

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2018, 07:17:31 PM »
Well done!!! Where did you buy your seeds?

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2018, 08:22:45 PM »


I just replanted two of the mangosteens into larger fabric containers, hoping they will do better.

Maybe more soil volume will help prevent the soil from drying out and give the sensitive root system more room to expand. The fabric container is breathable so will allow more air into the soil to prevent root rot from excessive moisture.

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2018, 09:07:03 PM »
You can use a lot more perlite if you are having root rot issues.
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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2019, 02:44:56 AM »
The mangosteens in the large fabric containers are doing well.



There's even some new leaf growth (the red leaves at the top).

The other mangosteens do not appear to be doing as well.
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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2019, 11:39:11 PM »
Here's a picture of the two mangosteen plants in fabric containers so you can see how much they have (or have not) grown. (Two months have passed since the last picture)

They are lightly watered every couple of days, plenty of root space now. Gradually growing, but growth rate is very slow by the standards of any other plants. Temperature still being held at constant 77-79 degrees F.

Here's G. hombriana growing besides G. mangostana in the same container so you can see the comparative growth rates. Obviously G. hombriana grows a lot faster and more vigorous.

« Last Edit: March 31, 2019, 11:41:14 PM by SoCal2warm »

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Re: mangosteen and lychee, growing in warm enclosure
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2019, 04:12:28 AM »
Id try somme Mycorrhizae fungi on them if they like moisture and have bad roots. And the color of the leaves probably means they lack somme element essential for them.Id study what ph they need because its usually the ph that makes or not the elements available.