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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: roboto212 on January 06, 2013, 10:11:58 PM
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Here is a cempedak from a farm down the road, this has to be my favorite fruit next to durian, what an amazing flavor. Its very unique flavored fruit, somewhat like durian with its musky flavor notes. Its very sweet, soft mushy texture, somewhat juicy, relatively thin skin on a large round seed. The smell of the skin reminds me alot of some dish ive had, like chicken pot pie, a funky smell, but not sulfury like durian, just very potent. Ive been working on grafting this tree and have so far gotten one epicotyl graft.. working with other techniques to find the most suitable one.
maybe one day ill be able to provide others with grafted trees, everyone deserves to feast on this heavenly delite ;). Me thinks this tree must have been some variety originally brought over from Malaysia.
Anyways enjoy the fruit porn :)
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http://animagro.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/popular-jackfruit-clones-in-malaysia.html (http://animagro.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/popular-jackfruit-clones-in-malaysia.html)
They pretty well all originate from Malaysia but varieties have also been in surrounding areas for a long time.I have seen very similar ones here and can tell that must be a good one by its appearance being almost the same as ones I know. The ones in the link above might ring a few bells for chempa enthusiasts.
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I have a couple CH 26 clones planted on my land, only in their first year of growth so no idea on fruit stats... but the description sounds nice :) I love smelly fruits, they seem to taste the best !
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Wow Roboto, looks and sounds incredible! Put me down for a grafted tree whenever you have an extra.
New feature for the forum, SMELLOVISION (then taste).
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Roboto
Nice photos of a great fruit!
Aloha
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Ture some chempadeks have a strong durian like taste, but not all. Like i said before there is a lot of diversity out there, and that means a lot of differences in flavor also.
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yea Ive tasted a few different cempedaks so far, this one is my favorite, but they are all quite good. The other ive tried is a orange fleshed cempedak, small from Sarawak I think? anyways its great, really chewy thicky soft mushy pods, that taste of the little caramels squares you see at candy store, oh man is it good, maybe a toffee flavor in there as well.
Ive also tried a large enlongated cempedak that had a softer more delicate taste, that reminded me of a really good ripe breadfruit raw... kinda like some kind of vanilla pudding, without the vanilla part lol...
BUt none really are close to the one pictured above imo. I still have yet to try many different ones though so we'll see as time goes on.
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The skin on the cempedak in your photo looks a little jak fruity. Is it possible this one is a cempe-jak cross? Before Sat, the only cempe-jak I had eaten was in Kapoho and it was not very good (at the time I had thought it was a cempedak), but the one I just had blew my mind. The flesh was pale like yours, and it was so juicy with not much sulfur. If you ever get to the Tenom Horticultural Park, look for the cempe-jak. That was where I tasted it.
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no this is most definitely pure cempedak... long hairs on the stems and leaves, unlike jack... even jack x cem crosses dont have hairs, only sparse little fuzz on stems and leaves...
Cempedaks shells vary alot... some are rough like this one... some are smooth... Same with jackfruit
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notice the hairs on this grafted cempedak... they are like 4mm long and dark brown... similar in other artocarpus species... jackfruits never have this... and jackfruit x cem crosses, like the Cheena, only have short fuzz...
Cempedak are usually alot smaller and more sausage like than jackfruits...
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it is one of my dreams to get over to Malaysia and Thailand to sample the cempedaks, durians, mangoes and mangosteens!... one day
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The amount of fuzz and hairs varies a bit between Chempa varieties but is always more or more sandpapery at least than jack seedlings.Some small fruiting jacks can have fruit less than 3lbs consistently and some larger fruiting chempas have fruit reaching 15 to 20lbs.
The softer skin of chempedak,,bulbs clinging to the core,browner seeds,different small and taste are other factors that help identify them.The skin of the 'twisted chempedak' looks jackfruit like at a glance.This one here looks 100% chempa to me.
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Mike, those Amber jakfruit seedlings all have very coarse sandpapery leaves. Do many other jak have this sort of leaf?
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BMc yes but they are at the extreme in that character and are perhaps a slightly divergent jack from most.I am sure there is no chempa blood (sap).Seedlings of this type develop a strong papaya leaf pattern (as do many jacks) for a couple of years.
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I have a 1 year old Honey Gold jackfruit planted and notice some fuzz on stems and leaves... only on new growth though
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it is one of my dreams to get over to Malaysia and Thailand to sample the cempedaks, durians, mangoes and mangosteens!... one day
Never seen chempadeks in Thailand. For great selection of chempadeks best places to go are either Malaysia or Brunei.
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They are in thailand in small numbers and considered a poor quality jack due to sloppy flesh.
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They are in thailand in small numbers and considered a poor quality jack due to sloppy flesh.
Probably their chemps considered poor because they don't yet have the good types. There really are some chemps that are poor quality.
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notice the hairs on this grafted cempedak... they are like 4mm long and dark brown... similar in other artocarpus species... jackfruits never have this... and jackfruit x cem crosses, like the Cheena, only have short fuzz...
Cempedak are usually alot smaller and more sausage like than jackfruits...
Thanks for the education! I had a 50 cent cempedak today. My hand can wrap around 75% of the circumference. The best one I've had was this size, so I have been ignoring the larger ones trying to find the great one again. All of the cempedak here have much smoother skin than yours.
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Never seen chempadeks in Thailand. For great selection of chempadeks best places to go are either Malaysia or Brunei.
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any idea what time of the year it should be in season?
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Thailand do have some chempedaks and some are even being exported to Europe by this fruit company called orkos. The one on the pic (page n°5) seems to be pretty yummy http://www.orkos.com/flipbook/F_Eu.html (http://www.orkos.com/flipbook/F_Eu.html)
Of course this is just minor business and indeed it is not a common fruit over there.
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Well out of my second epicotyl grafting trial of the 'durian' cempedak onto jackfruit seedlings I got 5 of the original 16 still alive after several weeks, and through a few of the grafts tape I can see visible callusing of the union, which is a good sign... hell its a good sign they arent rotting or oozing this fermenting sap that seem to take the others.
This time I will baby them more as I had 2 success's die on me from exposing to the sun too intensely one day...
If they survive thats a 30% success rate, which isnt bad at all, considering its off season for jackfruit grafting, and this cempedak tree seems peculiar and finicky.
All of my side veneer and cleft grafts of the cempedak onto 1 year jackfruit seedlings have failed. One is still alive after several weeks, we'll see. My approach grafts are still hanging on the tree, not sure when to mess with these.
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30% success rate, in my book that is a winner! Hopefully they'll continue to grow nice and strong for you.
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I found the Durian-Chempedak in Singapore.
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So I bought one last day before I left to Thailand.
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My first taste of chempedak. Really delicious
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great looking fruit, looks delicious! Would you say the skin is somewhat firm on the outside? The cempedak in OP is somewhat hard skin, sometimes the fruit will be fully ripe and the skin will feel rock hard... I notice there are soft skin and hard skin cempedaks
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great looking fruit, looks delicious! Would you say the skin is somewhat firm on the outside? The cempedak in OP is somewhat hard skin, sometimes the fruit will be fully ripe and the skin will feel rock hard... I notice there are soft skin and hard skin cempedaks
As I remember the skin is not firm. Compared to jackfruit is soft, compared to chempedak can't say because never tried!
The size of the fruit is small about 1,5 - 2,5Kg and smells strong like a durian.
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Cempedak is a bit like durian - what do you think it is? the smell? the taste? the more "creamy" texture than jackfruit? What makes something "durianish"? ;D
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I don't think they are much alike really.Similar size,both aromatic and rough skin might be as far as it goes.
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Only the smell makes the fruit "durianish". If you just smell the fruit without to see it you are sure you have a durian. The flesh is similar to chempedak or jackfruit although I never ate before a chempedak . Yes the texture is more creamy than jackfruit.
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Cempedak is a bit like durian - what do you think it is? the smell? the taste? the more "creamy" texture than jackfruit? What makes something "durianish"? ;D
Chempadek doesn't really taste like durian, or smell like durian. But because they both have a strong smell and taste and it's the closest you can get to describing it, then that is why i think it's reminiscent of durian.
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what gives these awesome fruits (durian, marang, cempedak) there awesomeness is the odor... 90% of our 'flavors" are from our sense of smell... the odors wafting through our nose on the exhale...
so cempedak and durian are very smelly and have a strong/unique flavor cause of this.
this is what makes things "durianish" :0... kinda like the odorata mango (spelling?)
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I think the different compounds that give these fruits their smell are also slightly psychoactive... kinda like right after you drink some wine, you can immediately feel the effects of the wine, just from the vapors being inhaled through the nose and such.... this is also important part of wine tasting, the odor!
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Speaking of aroma today I picked up a poor quality,small kind of marang locally called wild marang and even borneo marang.They have a pungent, not sweet aroma,have small bulbs and are more savoury than sweet.I can smell it in the garage now and it is not like the big,clear skinned sweet ones I prefer.It is assumed they are an unimproved wild type.
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what gives these awesome fruits (durian, marang, cempedak) there awesomeness is the odor... 90% of our 'flavors" are from our sense of smell... the odors wafting through our nose on the exhale...
so cempedak and durian are very smelly and have a strong/unique flavor cause of this.
this is what makes things "durianish" :0... kinda like the odorata mango (spelling?)
Well in most cases what you are saying is correct. But in the cases of durian and marang at least i would have to disagree. Some marangs smell like a petroleum distillery. Not at all a pleasant smell that would enhance the cuisine experience of most people. Also they don't taste at all what they smell like. Similarly with durians, they have a strong sulfurous smell, but certainly the fruit doesn't taste at all sulfurous. I think in the case of these fruits the strong smelling gases are to attract animals from afar, that will eat the fruit, and spread the seeds. The biological intent is not to make the eating experience more pleasant through continuous gassing, but to lure the seed spreaders in. Once they're in the fruit also delights with it's great taste...which ofcourse makes humans to want to cultivate and further reproduce the species.Sorry I don't think your analogy with wine is at all a good one.
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It is called Durian Cempedak because of its raised warty skin. Skin is quite different to other cempedaks. It has nothing to do with being "durianish". After trying so many cempedak cultivars, I'd say this one is the best. Probably highest sweetness brix with sharp yellow color, unlike pale yellow in most.
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what gives these awesome fruits (durian, marang, cempedak) there awesomeness is the odor... 90% of our 'flavors" are from our sense of smell... the odors wafting through our nose on the exhale...
so cempedak and durian are very smelly and have a strong/unique flavor cause of this.
this is what makes things "durianish" :0... kinda like the odorata mango (spelling?)
Well in most cases what you are saying is correct. But in the cases of durian and marang at least i would have to disagree. Some marangs smell like a petroleum distillery. Not at all a pleasant smell that would enhance the cuisine experience of most people. Also they don't taste at all what they smell like. Similarly with durians, they have a strong sulfurous smell, but certainly the fruit doesn't taste at all sulfurous. I think in the case of these fruits the strong smelling gases are to attract animals from afar, that will eat the fruit, and spread the seeds. The biological intent is not to make the eating experience more pleasant through continuous gassing, but to lure the seed spreaders in. Once they're in the fruit also delights with it's great taste...which ofcourse makes humans to want to cultivate and further reproduce the species.Sorry I don't think your analogy with wine is at all a good one.
it all comes down to personal preference in the end. I happen to love the aroma of these funky fruits, they are very alluring, almost narcotic. But some people find it repulsive.... who knows, maybe if they were wondering in the jungle with an empty belly they would find the smell to be a different experience.
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Despite the strong smell both fruits are awesome. That is my personal opinion
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I know I complained about the 'wild' marang type with the tiny bulbs as being a second rate variety.As I eat this one it actually doesn't seem that bad.
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They are in thailand in small numbers and considered a poor quality jack due to sloppy flesh.
I just bought a chempadak today on chatuchak, it was the only one on the market though.
Are they like jackfruits, sloppy and crispy ones?
I never had the chance to eat one.
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Wow nice! I always thought that Jackfruit and Chempedak were the same species, I know thats not true now!
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Wow nice! I always thought that Jackfruit and Chempedak were the same species, I know thats not true now!
Nope, many people prefer chempedak over jackfruit and i eat jackfruit almost daily now, i like them so much. Also pedalai should be even better but that's the next one i have to find.
I just learned that there are many different chempedaks as well so a whole new world is opening for me. I have 3 jackfruit-tree's now, a breadfruit and a chempedak and still want more.....i will make a nice multigrafted tree from all. Why nobody has that yet?
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Wow nice! I always thought that Jackfruit and Chempedak were the same species, I know thats not true now!
Nope, many people prefer chempedak over jackfruit and i eat jackfruit almost daily now, i like them so much. Also pedalai should be even better but that's the next one i have to find.
I just learned that there are many different chempedaks as well so a whole new world is opening for me. I have 3 jackfruit-tree's now, a breadfruit and a chempedak and still want more.....i will make a nice multigrafted tree from all. Why nobody has that yet?
I want to try Breadfruit, then Pedalai,then Lakoocha, then Kwai Muk, then Entawak, then Tamaran...
Oh come on, i never heard of those! It seems to be christmas today ;D Yes i also want them! Where is Mike to show us pics of those? I think i have to go to Borneo on holiday, they must be all there i guess.
This site needs more pictures. If i saw one of those on the market i would not even stop to look at them. I will keep my eyes open from now on.
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Bangkok, I can't see the picture. It says "Adult Content", and I am a junior. Just kidding, that was many eons ago. Anyway, prior to being on this forum, I didn't know that what I thought was a variety of Jackfruit, was a Chempedak. I love Chempedaks because of their soft texture and sweetness. I don't like crunchy jackfruits at all.
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Now the picture should work.
They look weird and are lakoocha's.
I never had a chempedak, i only saw them in Singapore and bought so much allready that i didn't buy it. I have a grafted one now but don't know anything about it. I will find a nice one somewhere.
I would love to see a pic of a multigrafted atrocarpus-tree. They are easy to graft but if they will fruit is another thing. I guess we have to graft them low on the main stem.
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Bangkok when I hit the numbered lakoocha pic it just comes up with the post image box. Lakoochas aren't bad and a bit like apricot in some.
Chempadak are like a sloppy jack with a more creamy/banana-y quality in some.They vary so much that you can only generalise about the fruit of the species.
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Bangkok when I hit the numbered lakoocha pic it just comes up with the post image box. Lakoochas aren't bad and a bit like apricot in some.
Chempadak are like a sloppy jack with a more creamy/banana-y quality in some.They vary so much that you can only generalise about the fruit of the species.
I replaced that pic and now it works on my computer. But here is the original link:
http://www.cropsforthefuture.org/tag/artocarpus-lakoocha/ (http://www.cropsforthefuture.org/tag/artocarpus-lakoocha/)
I will try chempedak somewhere outside thailand, i think i will like them. I have no idea why the Thai only sell jackfruits but they are great.
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Bangkok, have you been to Cambodia? They have a lot of Chempedaks there, and they are dirt cheap.
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Bangkok, have you been to Cambodia? They have a lot of Chempedaks there, and they are dirt cheap.
I have only been on the border of cambodia to get a visa-stamp. Many children hanging around there who come to beg.Next time i have to go for a visastamp i will visit some local markets where-ever i go. Now Vietnam is in promotion from BKK and i have never been there. But i prefer country's closer to the equator because they have more exotic fruits i guess. Kuching also sounds good.
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Bangkok when I hit the numbered lakoocha pic it just comes up with the post image box. Lakoochas aren't bad and a bit like apricot in some.
Chempadak are like a sloppy jack with a more creamy/banana-y quality in some.They vary so much that you can only generalise about the fruit of the species.
I replaced that pic and now it works on my computer. But here is the original link:
http://www.cropsforthefuture.org/tag/artocarpus-lakoocha/ (http://www.cropsforthefuture.org/tag/artocarpus-lakoocha/)
I will try chempedak somewhere outside thailand, i think i will like them. I have no idea why the Thai only sell jackfruits but they are great.
There are chempadeks in southern Thailand, close to border with Malaysia.
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Bangkok when I hit the numbered lakoocha pic it just comes up with the post image box. Lakoochas aren't bad and a bit like apricot in some.
Chempadak are like a sloppy jack with a more creamy/banana-y quality in some.They vary so much that you can only generalise about the fruit of the species.
I replaced that pic and now it works on my computer. But here is the original link:
http://www.cropsforthefuture.org/tag/artocarpus-lakoocha/ (http://www.cropsforthefuture.org/tag/artocarpus-lakoocha/)
I will try chempedak somewhere outside thailand, i think i will like them. I have no idea why the Thai only sell jackfruits but they are great.
There are chempadeks in southern Thailand, close to border with Malaysia.
Yes but that area is like a warzone, it is not safe there so i won't go to the very south of thailand.
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Bangkok when I hit the numbered lakoocha pic it just comes up with the post image box. Lakoochas aren't bad and a bit like apricot in some.
Chempadak are like a sloppy jack with a more creamy/banana-y quality in some.They vary so much that you can only generalise about the fruit of the species.
I replaced that pic and now it works on my computer. But here is the original link:
http://www.cropsforthefuture.org/tag/artocarpus-lakoocha/ (http://www.cropsforthefuture.org/tag/artocarpus-lakoocha/)
I will try chempedak somewhere outside thailand, i think i will like them. I have no idea why the Thai only sell jackfruits but they are great.
There are chempadeks in southern Thailand, close to border with Malaysia.
Yes but that area is like a warzone, it is not safe there so i won't go to the very south of thailand.
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Here is the finest "Durian" Cempedak I have seen in my almost 17 years in Malaysia. And I got it in Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia, just a few weeks ago. Most fruit like this are only partially filled. This one was packed with large, intensely flavored, and sweet arils.
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Let me try again.
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Dfurtek, that looks so good. Thanks for sharing the pic.
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Wow Dfurtek, that is a nice looking fruit!
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That Durian Cempedak looks almost like a small jackfruit, but the texture and flavor are distinctly cempedak. I believe Durian Cempedak are hybrids between jackfruit (Artocarpus heterophyllus and cempedak (A. integer). DNA marker analyses can tell for sure. Here is the exact location of the fruit stand where I purchased the fruit: <5.962760 116.063850>
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My understanding durian chempedak is a very small fruit and purely chempedak DNA. This definitely looks like a cross with jack.
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While some chempadak seem far removed from jackfruit like the leopard skin above, other pure chempadak look more like jacks.
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The twisted chempadak has huge yellow bulbs and looks a bit more like jack and gets big.It is similar top the pictured one.I reckon the one in the photo is a pure chempadak and not a cross.
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I would also guess that the fruit in the photo is pure chempadek. There is a whole lot of diversity in this species, so they come in all shapes and sizes.
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The twisted cempedak ("c" is pronounced as "ch" in Malaysia) is what I have always associated with durian cempedak. I thought - without really knowing - that the many aborted seeds and large size of the "biji" (arils) were because durian cempedak are jackfruit/cempedak hybrids. Anyway, I agree with the "whole lot of diversity".
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Chempadaks are plagues by a strange sudden death syndrome of seedlings while still small. Once about 12 inches they are past that vulnerable stage but are still sensitive to overwatering and root disturbance. Many people trying to grow them experience this die off for unknown reasons.
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I've found some durian cempedak here in Australia - does anyone know it's story? Where is it originally from? And do they call it "durian" for any reason other than it has a lot of raised bumps that sorta imitate thorns?
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I've found some durian cempedak here in Australia - does anyone know it's story? Where is it originally from? And do they call it "durian" for any reason other than it has a lot of raised bumps that sorta imitate thorns?
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That's a beautiful fruit!
It looks almost like it's made out of plaster or clay.
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Hi dear Members,
Looking for best quality chempadak scions from a nearby country to Sri Lanka