mulberry to jackfruit graft Update-unfortunate end

[Jaboticaba45]

Finally had a successful graft! Grafted about a week and a half ago.....Cut the mulberry scion when the bud was right about to shoot out. 
Will post updates when it grows more and is able to be unwrapped.

[Mike T]

I just posted a report containing jackfruit grafting success across artocarpus species but going beyond the genus is stretching it maybe. It would be interesting to see how long it lasts.

[Satya]

Finally had a successful graft! Grafted about a week and a half ago.....Cut the mulberry scion when the bud was right about to shoot out. 
Will post updates when it grows more and is able to be unwrapped.

Good luck and keep us updated how it goes. I have utterly failed jack to jack grafting this summer and seeing this is inspiring.

[simon_grow]

Wow, It never even crossed my mind that this combo would work. What made you decide to try this combo? Looks good so far but it’s much too early to call it a success. Good luck and please keep us updated.

Simon

[fruitlovers]

Yes, the question is how long these two genus will be compatible? Let us know.

[Mike T]

Not quite a case of getting the stop watch out but have a look at the jackfruit report at some of the survival lengths of interspecific grafts. You will see this plant will have challenges in enjoying a long and bountiful life.

[beicadad]

I grafted Apple to a couple of hawthorn trees and they “took”. One even had a couple dozen apples in the second year. Eventually it declined and died in the summer before apples were ripe. The graft on the other tree also died.

Incompatibility can take very long to show. Not to say yours will not survive, just saying it’s way too early to tell.

[Mike T]

Delayed incompatibility is a real problem and that is why it might be better if they have a bust up early in the relationship.

[Jaboticaba45]

Decided to graft as I saw a youtube video....also because they are in the same genus I thought why not give it a try?
Not sure what is going to happen in the winter as mulberry loses its leaves...only time will tell

[Mike T]

Maybe not same Genus but keeping it in the Family and it's worth a shot to see what happens.

[bsbullie]

Decided to graft as I saw a youtube video....also because they are in the same genus I thought why not give it a try?
Not sure what is going to happen in the winter as mulberry loses its leaves...only time will tell

They are same family, not genus.

[Mike T]

Beat you by a feather BS. I think with over 8000 posts now and hero status at 500? they should be putting you in a superhero category.

[bsbullie]

Beat you by a feather BS. I think with over 8000 posts now and hero status at 500? they should be putting you in a superhero category.

Ha!  You had heft post numbers from your prior ID...and should be in a super category based on your knowledge and expertise alone.

As for this graft, IF it truly takes, I would be concerned using the jackfruit as rootstock in Tennessee (even if in a makeshift greenhouse).

[Bush2Beach]

I think it would have to be grafted the other way around to be advantageous.
Keep pushing the limits either way.

[HIfarm]

It's not too uncommon to do this type of grafting with temperate fruit trees & ornamentals (with other members of the same broad family).  As beicadad mentioned, apple to hawthorn is one which is reported to work (which obviously didn't for him).  Another is mountain ash to pear.  I had one of these grafts survive many years with fine growth, flowering, and fruiting.  After maybe 8 years or so, the tree just snapped off at the graft union, where it had obviously never really made a sound union from an "engineering" standpoint but seemed to horticulturally up to that point.  So I'd wait a good many years before assuming it is really a success.

[Bush2Beach]

Jakfruit rootstock in Tennessee is not available to be observed for months or years. Winter signals dead as a doorknob for Jakfruit outside of orange county and south florida in the lower 48.

[murahilin]

Could the new growth just be the stored energy from the scion and not actually a sucessful graft?

[Jaboticaba45]

Could the new growth just be the stored energy from the scion and not actually a sucessful graft?

Could be... now it's just a game of waiting.

[Jaboticaba45]

Jakfruit rootstock in Tennessee is not available to be observed for months or years. Winter signals dead as a doorknob for Jakfruit outside of orange county and south florida in the lower 48.

The only way to keep them alive outside of FL is a greenhouse.

[fruitlovers]

Could the new growth just be the stored energy from the scion and not actually a sucessful graft?

I would guess that you are right, and that's what it is. Mulberry cuttings known to store incredible amount of energy, enough to form fruits from a cutting even!

[Ansarac]

I started to find these kinds of projects more interesting, when learning that none of our local, temperate orchards were grafted to stock from the same family.

No one was able to explain any of the how's and why's, leading me to a decade of experimentation.

Many breeders have accomplished different versions of hybridization, over the last 200yrs, yet are still considered mad scientists on the fringes.

Everything useful has not been discovered, yet.

[Ansarac]

My mulberries are some of the most-purple and staining fruits around.

I understand that grafting may confer cold tolerance.

Hybridization may result in unstable, novel varieties or, occasionally, increased vigor.

At the risk of aggravating some of the more-conservative members, who don't want to give you any false hope, I would actually like to see an example of cross-pollination via mentor grafting.

Although, I understand that callous-to-callous growth may occasionally result in somatic hybridization.

[Mike T]

I think it is good to push the boundaries sith grafting and hybridization and don't think conservative members get agitated by much. It is also easy to get intoxicated by the romance of the possibility of things that unlikely. When you look at the genetic maps for Artocarpus relationships with a view to grafting compatability you can guess what you have the best shot with.
One pretty good study did trial of grafting jacks on to different rootstocks and looking at survival at 6 months. It also looked at survivors for how worthwhile they are.Cleft grafting was found to have the best survival rate. Specialist Jack grafters achieved almost 70% success with jack on jack and as high as 50% in some trials with jack on chempedak but usually lower. Jack on marang did pretty well with around 20% survival, 10% for breadfruit and 0% for camansi. 0% for all other species tried.Delayed incompatibility wasn't looked at and fruit productivity wasn't well considered either.

[Jaboticaba45]

Update- I broke the graft on accident.(trying to enter my DIY 6x8 grow tent inside the greenhouse with horizontal beams 3 ft off the ground for stability ) When it broke there was a distinct snap that could be heard meaning there was callous formation since it broke at the union. Also the scion was still green and had pushed out some new leaves. I understand that even if it didn't break, it probably would have compatibility issues down the road. This was a fun experiment that I wanted to try and didn't expect much. Pretty cool though.

[Francis_Eric]

I think it is good to push the boundaries sith grafting and hybridization and don't think conservative members get agitated by much. It is also easy to get intoxicated by the romance of the possibility of things that unlikely. When you look at the genetic maps for Artocarpus relationships with a view to grafting compatability you can guess what you have the best shot with.
One pretty good study did trial of grafting jacks on to different rootstocks and looking at survival at 6 months. It also looked at survivors for how worthwhile they are.Cleft grafting was found to have the best survival rate. Specialist Jack grafters achieved almost 70% success with jack on jack and as high as 50% in some trials with jack on chempedak but usually lower. Jack on marang did pretty well with around 20% survival, 10% for breadfruit and 0% for camansi. 0% for all other species tried.Delayed incompatibility wasn't looked at and fruit productivity wasn't well considered either.

I wonder How close Osage Orange moraceae family  is to Jack fruit (my seelings are for Che fruit)
Interesting it's Native to Louisiana , Texas, and Florida , but grows here -20F -28C
I always had a idea to take trees, and keep stressing them every day with cold to see what Happens
I doubt JAckfruit would work but thining Tamarind (in pea family) might come around. -- or Honey Locust graft.
Maybe trick the plant next generation of seeds to produce early but not grow in a cold place instead .

(did see a mutant avacodo though from another stress I accidentally put it through.
 just seemed like a green stick no leaves just sand like sized for many months, but still alive)