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Title: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on February 07, 2012, 08:15:35 AM
As many of you know, this fruit tree has been in various forums in the past years and unfortunately has been largely unobtainable.  There is a group from the Cloudforest forum who found a nursery in China that will supposedly ship plants to the US.  There seems to be a minimum order of 100 plants.  Apparently, the group did place an order but no further info is available just now.

One thing to keep in mind and I dearly hope these guys don't discover this the hardway, but there is nothing between China and the USA that is going to help these guys out if this shipment goes into the toilet...or they just take the money and don't even ship.  The guy said they got permits for California but that is still no guarantee with USDA...as we know. 

Here is the nursery website for anyone intersted in browsing.  http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/ (http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: lycheeluva on February 07, 2012, 08:22:31 AM
the cloudforest group are supposed to receive their order this month- so we should know more soon. if it goes through, id love for this forum to put together an order. they have seedless lychee trees and couple of other cultivars not available here. i would def put in an order for 6-7 trees if we could put an order together, perhaps with delivery to florida where the majority of us live.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on February 07, 2012, 09:44:42 AM
Sounds something like Sheehan would love to spearhead!!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TriangleJohn on February 07, 2012, 10:20:58 AM
I have a few. One is a small bush sized plant that I have in the ground with protection. It is a rooted cutting from a seedling grown from seed stock imported from Taiwan or Okinawa. The original bush lived for 3-4 years in the ground here in Raleigh before dying (I wasn't aware of it until after it died and I believe it died in the summer). Its leaves are not like the Yamamomo you see in photos online (a bit more serrated). We are having a very mild winter and yet it is still suffering. I think it will survive but there will be winter damage.

I have three potted grafted plants that came recently from Japan. One appears to have died, one is having a few problems but looks fine. The third one is doing great with a great deal of new growth. I have no idea what the rootstock is, it is sprouting leaves and they don't look like any sort of Myrica to me. These three are being wintered over in my simple hoophouse/greenhouse where I store my citrus and large tropicals.

They were legally imported by someone that was buying and importing trees for research (not fruit tree research). He was going to Japan and I casually mentioned that I was searching for named cultivars of Yamamomo and he said if the dealers he was working with had any he would pick them up for me and send them through USDA with his stuff. He surprised me with these three. He is also the person that gave me the rooted cutting from the seed grown tree a couple of years ago. He took a lot of cuttings to be back ups in case I kill any of the ones I bought. I haven't seen him in months and haven't heard how his plants are doing.

It took me five years to track down my first plant. I've ordered seeds from China in the past and none of them sprouted and I did every trick in the book.

These trees are common roadside trees in zone 7 Japan and China but they don't fruit much that far north. Prime fruit production is in the same zones that grow Satsuma citrus.

I assume the grafted ones are females and I hope the one in the ground is male.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Jacob13 on February 07, 2012, 10:33:00 AM
Hello Friends,

I am not sure if some of you Remember, but I was going to put together a goup order like this about a year ago.  They had the Myrica Rubra, Maha Chanok Mango tree, No Mai Tze Lychee, and various other cultivars that are largely unavailable in the US.

However, there were many Red Flags that resulted in me canceling the order.  The biggest being that the only method of payment he would accept was Western Union.  He claimed to be the biggest exporter of Fruit trees in his region to the rest of the World, and on the other hand said that his business didn't accept Credit Card payment, nor Paypal.  I obviously thouht this to be pretty wierd that for a business of that size, or at least what he claimed it to be, not to accept Credit Card payment was pretty hard to believe.

He also began with something like a 500 tree minimum order, and some other exorbitant import Fee.  When I told him I couldn't buy 500 trees, nor pay the ridiculously high import fee, we parted ways.  Then he miraculously got back to me, and told me that because of some new trade agreement, the import fee was no longer required, and that there was only a 100 tree minimum order.  I thanked him for the information and told him that 100 trees was still too many and that I wasn't interested.  Again, we parted ways.  Shortly thereafter he got back to me and told me that he now had a new minimum order.  He said that he would ship to me with a $250 minimum order. 

After that discussion, I thought $250 would be doable with a Group order.  So, I proceeded to speak with the Forum folk to see who was interested.  During this time, he became very impatient and very insistent that I send the money right away and would accept payment via Western Union.  Again, I found it hard to believe that a business his size, or what he claimed it was, did not use Credit Cards, and only accepted payment via Western Union.  I mean come on, he claimed to ship 1000's of trees all over the world and was one of the biggest suppliers around.  So the fact that he was really sweating me over a measly $250 also seemed strange for a business that was supposedly so big.  Also, there is that thing about bringing trees into California, so even if he was legit, that was no guarantee that they wouldn't be seized at Customs 

All of these were Red Flags for me and a bit too big of a risk with other peoples' money so I decided not to move forward.  Hopefully, the group that has ordered from Jason Nursery has good luck and will receive the trees.  That would be so Great!  I just thought I would share my experience I had dealing with this Nursery.

Jacob
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: lycheeluva on February 07, 2012, 10:46:36 AM
wow Jacob- that does seem incredibly suspicious.
maybe the whole seedless lychee thing is a load of bs!!!!!!!!
I guess we will know more in about a month or so by which time the cloud forest order is supposed to have come through
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on February 07, 2012, 11:22:02 AM
We will see if the order goes through. I only ordered (2) trees, so I don't have much on the line if the order fails. There are a couple people who have ordered quite a few trees. Crossing my fingers the order comes in without problems.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on February 07, 2012, 12:56:21 PM
Null...can you provide a bit more info on what you guys did...such as permits and anything else?  Thanks
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on February 07, 2012, 01:09:33 PM
Null...can you provide a bit more info on what you guys did...such as permits and anything else?  Thanks

Do not know all the exact details, the order is arrange by a person down in San Diego. From what I heard permits, shipping, and all those details were being completed by the nursery guy (instructions were given by the lead of the group order). The plants were set to be shipped out soon, sometime after Chinese New Year ended. Half payment on delivery confirmation, other half on arrival.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on February 07, 2012, 06:59:56 PM
wow Jacob- that does seem incredibly suspicious.
maybe the whole seedless lychee thing is a load of bs!!!!!!!!
I guess we will know more in about a month or so by which time the cloud forest order is supposed to have come through

I'm guessing that by seedless lychee they really mean chicken tongue seeds, ie aborted seeds, not really seedless, which as far as i know does not yet exist.
Oscar
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: lycheeluva on February 07, 2012, 07:01:13 PM
oscar, see my post on  seedless lychees
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: lycheeluva on February 10, 2012, 01:13:39 PM
so I emailed the website owner and asked what the minimum order was - this was his response-

the minimum order are 200 trees ,of course,you can  satisfy the minimum order requirement with an order of several different varities ,but not more than two varities,because it
will influence apply for Phytosanitary Certificate.


if he was an out and out crook who just took money and run, why make conditions- why not say, sure, order whatever varities you want. anyway. we'll know soon enough when the San Diego order does or doesnt come through
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on February 10, 2012, 01:34:10 PM
Think how much $$ 200 trees would be.  I hope the guy is on the up and up for the sake of the folks who made this first order.  That's a lot of trees!
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TriangleJohn on February 10, 2012, 04:07:12 PM
Here's some photos of the best of my small collection.

I protect the one in the ground with a wire cage filled with dry leaves and then wrapped in plastic sheeting.

The newly purchased tree shows its label but all I can read is Yamamomo without any cultivar or variety name.
There was an addition ribbon tag put on by the friend that brought it to me with the hand written name 'Zulko'

I grew up in Japan and that is not a Japanese word.
(http://s17.postimage.org/a45fw2apn/myricarubra1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/a45fw2apn/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/mv6agpx99/myricarubra2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mv6agpx99/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/r84tz55zx/myricarubra3.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/r84tz55zx/)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on February 16, 2012, 03:39:11 PM
Hey Ohiojay, Ong's Nursery carries Strawberry trees.  You can try giving him a call to see if he can ship. 

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on February 17, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
Order was shipped out today  :), will update when I get the plants.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on February 17, 2012, 08:06:40 PM
Do you have an estimate time of arrival to California?  If you can get the details of how this all goes down, it would be very interesting to hear.  I sincerely hope that it goes well for all of you.  Sounds like the China source at least held up there end of the bargain so far.  The biggest hurdle may be our own USDA/Customs.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on February 18, 2012, 08:16:07 PM
Hey Ohiojay, Ong's Nursery carries Strawberry trees.  You can try giving him a call to see if he can ship. 

Simon

Strawberry tree usually refers to Arbutus unedo, which is very common in California, not Myrica rubra.
Oscar
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on March 01, 2012, 02:18:48 PM
Thanks for the info Oscar.  I did find a website called Ty ty that has an add on youtube that is supposed to carry the Chinese Strawberry Tree.  Has anyone checked out this site? 

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: edself65 on March 01, 2012, 02:56:43 PM
Be cautious with anything to do with Ty Ty ! They have been ripping gardeners off for over 25 years.

Thanks,

Ed
Apopka, FL
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TriangleJohn on March 01, 2012, 03:34:29 PM
TyTy has the Arbutus hybrid not Myrica rubra. If that is what you want there are better places to buy it.

Lycheeluva - the guy that took cuttings from my plants says they are not doing well. I will see him tonight and find out if any are good enough to send one to you. Otherwise you may have to settle for cuttins from my older tree while you wait for my lone survivor from Japan to get big enough to take cuttings from.

I haven't forgotten you!
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: lycheeluva on March 01, 2012, 03:56:42 PM
many thanks TC.

I will probably try and put together an order from the Chinese nursery. Will post details tomorrow.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Rtreid on March 01, 2012, 04:33:52 PM
nullzero,

Any more word on the order?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: lycheeluva on March 01, 2012, 04:46:44 PM
until NZ replies in more detail- i can tell you the plants came in. Half were in good shape. Half were not, but may be recoverable.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 01, 2012, 05:21:58 PM
Im going to post pictures this weekend (Saturday evening). The trees did come in some were in good shape others not. Unfortunately, I only ordered (2). Everyone received at least 50% of their order of good trees. However the other 50% were marginal due to the time of shipping.

A new order is being planned (waiting on an email update), I may order (4) trees this next time around. After experiencing this order, one should expect potential marginal trees in the order. The cost of the trees was very reasonable however.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Rtreid on March 01, 2012, 05:48:24 PM
nullzero,

Thanks for the update, it is good to hear that you received your trees.

Richard
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TriangleJohn on March 02, 2012, 04:26:49 PM
Are the trees sexed? Are new cultivars perfect flowering? I always assumed I'd need a male and a female tree and I assumed the grafted one I have is a female.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: SWRancher on March 02, 2012, 06:07:59 PM
 ???Is there an english or common name instead of the latin "myrica rubra" for those without a botany degree?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on March 02, 2012, 06:15:57 PM
???Is there an english or common name instead of the latin "myrica rubra" for those without a botany degree?

Most common english name i've heard is yumberry and bayberry. Here are some other version from wikipedia:
Chinese Bayberry, Japanese Bayberry, Red Bayberry, Yumberry, Waxberry, or Chinese strawberry tree
There was a good article about them in CRFG Fruit Gardener magazine a few issues back.
Oscar
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 02, 2012, 06:28:37 PM
Posted a good PDF about Myrica rubra aka Yumberry under the online library section.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=515.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=515.0)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: SWRancher on March 02, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Joshua_TX on March 02, 2012, 09:43:40 PM
Myrica rubra's common names include Yangmei in China, Yamamomo in Japan, Red Bayberry, Chinese Bayberry, and Yumberry.  According to the CRFG Fruit Gardener March & April 2008 issue, the fruit is called yang-mei in China, which means "poplar-plum".  A garden products importer from Indiana named Charles Stenftenagel was visiting a friend in Shanghai who bottled Myrica rubra juice.  The way the people pronounced yang-mei in their dialect was "yang-mee", which Mr. Stenftenagel thought sounded like "yummy" and in 2003 they started calling it "Yumberry" because they though that would be a catchy name to help them commercialize it.  Just like chinese gooseberry becoming kiwifruit, tree tomato being sold as tamarillo, african horned melon being trademarked as kiwano, chilean guava being marketed as tazziberry (can you get any cornier?  It's from Chile, not Tasmania for godsakes!).

The Chinese have harvested yang-mei from the wild for 7000 years and cultivated the trees for at least 2000 years.  It is a very popular fruit in China, which has 865,000 acres in production.  For comparison, the United States has about 432,000 acres of apples, about 856,000 of citrus trees, and 1,044,000 of grapes, the only American fruit crop with greater acreage.

It is a dioecious tree with male and female flowers on separate plants.  However some female trees will produce male flowers.  The tree can grow in poor soils because of its ability to fix nitrogen.  It prefers acid soil and enjoys a similar climatic range as citrus.  It is said that it is not grown in Hawaii because it does require a bit of chill, although in China there is a wide range of adaptation, including tropical varieties on Hainan, a large island in the south.  Recommended for Zones 8-10, can tolerate temperatures down to 16F.

As many of you know the recent California importation of grafted Myrica rubra cultivars from China has arrived.  The minimum order was 100 trees so many people pulled together to make a collective order.  There were three varieties offered: Dongkui, Ding'ao, and Wusu.  All three are female but Dongkui also produces male flowers. 
Below is a link that you may find very helpful.
https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=ddzvzz9g_2zcnbbxcp (https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=ddzvzz9g_2zcnbbxcp)
To save a copy to your computer, click "Actions" on the bar on the bottom of the screen, then "Download as PDF".

Here is the often-searched-for Myrica rubra article from the CRFG Fruit Gardener:

(http://s18.postimage.org/s3k4vqcrp/myrica_rubra_CRFG_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/s3k4vqcrp/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/omi2srdph/myrica_rubra_CRFG_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/omi2srdph/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/c07nvxb8l/myrica_rubra_CRFG_3.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/c07nvxb8l/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/5rvittsf9/myrica_rubra_CRFG_4.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5rvittsf9/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/csabv4ffp/myrica_rubra_CRFG_5.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/csabv4ffp/)

-Joshua
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 03, 2012, 12:38:36 AM
i know where a fruiter is, (M. rubra), saw berries on it.  Is budwood something of interest to u fanatics?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on March 03, 2012, 12:49:54 AM
Has anyone tasted this yumberry? Is it really yummy?
Oscar
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 03, 2012, 12:59:39 AM
Must be pretty good considering the large amount of arces planted out, even more so then citrus. The Chinese culture has a good taste for fruit, excellent fruit breeding done the last 5,000 years :).
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on March 03, 2012, 01:08:17 AM
Must be pretty good considering the large amount of arces planted out, even more so then citrus. The Chinese culture has a good taste for fruit, excellent fruit breeding done the last 5,000 years :).

Yes i totally agree with you. Just wondering how many people here in USA would like yumberry? Chinese are also very fond of durian, but even on this forum of fruit fans you hear durian put downs!  ::)
Oscar
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: BMc on March 03, 2012, 04:12:46 AM
Seed grown ones can be very resinous.
There are a few videos from the local research station on this page: http://www.youtube.com/user/Varietyaccess1?feature=watch (http://www.youtube.com/user/Varietyaccess1?feature=watch)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Felipe on March 03, 2012, 07:20:40 AM
Just wondering how many people here in USA would like yumberry? Chinese are also very fond of durian, but even on this forum of fruit fans you hear durian put downs!  ::)
Oscar

Chinese are also very fond of lychee...  ;)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on March 03, 2012, 08:23:39 AM
From what I understand, this plant is NOT on the quarantine list.  Just find out what the CA group did in the way of permits and such and do the same.

Null...did Customs ever explain the reason for the delay...other than because they can?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 03, 2012, 12:32:20 PM
From what I understand, this plant is NOT on the quarantine list.  Just find out what the CA group did in the way of permits and such and do the same.

Null...did Customs ever explain the reason for the delay...other than because they can?

Ohiojay,

I am not sure of the exact details, I am only forward chain emails which state what happened etc. I know Tynan stated he wanted to do a second order, I am still waiting on the details. Perhaps you guys can join in on that order. I can work something out with you guys if you need me to pick it up and ship it out.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Joshua_TX on March 03, 2012, 08:30:52 PM
From what I understand these had no restrictions or post-entry quarantine needed, just an import permit, phytosanitary certificates, and some spraying at the origin.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 03, 2012, 09:38:26 PM
Myrica rubra are not doing well at all, I will post pics (in a few hours, going to be busy) but they are not pretty... At least the stems are still green  :-\

Added picture, not looking good. The shock from the travel customs delay and 2 day delay planting (had someone pick it up for me). Well the stems are still green at this point, I am expecting a low chance of recovery.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8d_gXMm0mlg/T1MMyMQSm_I/AAAAAAAACIw/tFw6ADPCiIg/s288/P1030702.JPG)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on March 04, 2012, 01:50:26 AM
Those leaves look totally dried out. If i were you i would remove the leaves to reduce further dehydration, then place plants in shade in a mist box, or under frequent hand misting.
Oscar
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 04, 2012, 01:57:03 AM
Those leaves look totally dried out. If i were you i would remove the leaves to reduce further dehydration, then place plants in shade in a mist box, or under frequent hand misting.
Oscar

Planted in a mostly shaded area with a humidity level between 30-60%.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on March 04, 2012, 02:12:19 AM
Those leaves look totally dried out. If i were you i would remove the leaves to reduce further dehydration, then place plants in shade in a mist box, or under frequent hand misting.
Oscar

Planted in a mostly shaded area with a humidity level between 30-60%.

Good on the shade. Suggest total shade. I would raise humidity level to 80+%. Biggest danger right now is that those plants will totally dehydrate. If they start to releaf than slowly drop humidity and slowly move into dappled sunlight. A very diluted, 1/2 strength or less, liquid fertilizer might also help.
Oscar
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Felipe on March 04, 2012, 03:19:41 AM
I totally agree with Oscar..
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on March 04, 2012, 09:15:27 AM
Null...if mist box is not an option, put the plant under plastic to boost that humidity.  That has been our only sure way of success with bare root plants.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Tim on March 05, 2012, 09:52:01 AM
Null...if mist box is not an option, put the plant under plastic to boost that humidity.  That has been our only sure way of success with bare root plants.

100% agreed ... I've killed plenty of bareroots thinking they're in my house at controlled temp with running humidifier.  Throw a clear plastic bag over it and keep the moist in for a good month or so, then follow Oscar's advice on slowly drop humidity & increase sun light. 
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 05, 2012, 12:08:34 PM
I have a white trash bag over them, lets hope it works.. Not expecting much but if I have a survivor I will be very happy.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on March 05, 2012, 04:20:20 PM
I have a white trash bag over them, lets hope it works.. Not expecting much but if I have a survivor I will be very happy.

You probably know this...but just in case...plastic bag should have some vents or holes at the bottom, you don't want the plant to sweat to death and with no CO2 available either.
Oscar
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 05, 2012, 04:24:34 PM
I have a white trash bag over them, lets hope it works.. Not expecting much but if I have a survivor I will be very happy.

You probably know this...but just in case...plastic bag should have some vents or holes at the bottom, you don't want the plant to sweat to death and with no CO2 available either.
Oscar

I have one 3/4 inch diameter hole on the top.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 13, 2012, 03:32:22 PM
The two trees are dead  :'(, however great news  ;D. Apparently the last order was cuttings or seedlings of Myrica rubra varieties, not grafted which was communicated to the nursery. Also the tree quality on arrival was subpar. After a resolution and talking with the members of the group order and the nursery, the owner has agreed to send replacement trees!

I may have to drive down to San Diego this weekend and pick up the trees. Will update with pictures, hopefully I have more to show this time around :).
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: lycheeluva on March 13, 2012, 03:42:06 PM
how come the replacement trees will already be here this weekend after taking 3 months or so for the first order to come through.
also you ordered rafted trees and he sent you cuttings? WTF
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 13, 2012, 04:29:54 PM
how come the replacement trees will already be here this weekend after taking 3 months or so for the first order to come through.
also you ordered rafted trees and he sent you cuttings? WTF

Think the 3 months was the paperwork, wire transfer accounts, etc. There must of been a communication issue.... Its been about 2 weeks, so it makes sense to take that long to go through a process of a new order. For the nursery to make good on replacement trees shows that they are looking to make good on the transaction. I will update when I get more news or the trees in.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on March 13, 2012, 08:37:31 PM
Sorry to hear about your plants.  That's rough.  I hope the second shipment turns out to be a better experience for everyone.  Maybe you can convince the dude spearheading this to have a talk with Customs/USDA prior to arrival to hopefully avoid another terrible delay???  Good luck and let us know as soon as you hear anything!
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 21, 2012, 02:27:41 PM
Pick up the new Myrica rubra (grafted replacement) trees today, this time I am getting off work early and heading down to insure the plants survival. Will update with pictures, hopefully I have more to show this time around. Will pick up (1) Dongkui and (1) Ding'ao tree. USDA delayed the pickup by 3 days or so again (figures, at least the weather has been the cool mild side).
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: BMc on March 21, 2012, 06:23:20 PM
What varieties did they offer?
Did anyone mangae to snare a BiQi?
Did you get any male trees?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Felipe on March 21, 2012, 07:46:59 PM
Good luck with your new plants Nullzy! Remember Jay`s wise words concerning the handling of bare rooted plants ;)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 22, 2012, 03:02:18 AM
The plants (Green leaves this time!);

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TaLlEpd1I8A/T2q92oqyhBI/AAAAAAAACR8/OTds1SPBNK4/s400/P1030815.JPG)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-z4dFWqemC2g/T2q90EvWk5I/AAAAAAAACR0/BOQiMD4ncvg/s400/P1030814.JPG)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on March 22, 2012, 06:53:37 AM
Very nice!  Did you pot those up or were they already done when you picked them up?  I hope by now those plants are being subjected to lots of humidity!  Good luck.  I hope like hell all your plants do well.

So what's the story this time with the USDA?  I can understand a delay of several hours while random plants were being inspected or something like that.  Three days?  From my own experience to others that are close to me...I have a long list of adjectives I could use to describe.

Keep us up to date on the progress of your plants.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Jsvand5 on March 22, 2012, 10:14:55 AM
They look pretty good. Nice sized plants too. These are both grafted this time right?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 22, 2012, 12:34:31 PM
Both trees are grafted (can see the graft union), one is a Dongkui and the other is Ding'ao. Dongkui produces some male flowers, so both will produce fruit near each other. Dongkui produces ping pong ball sized fruits, where as Ding'ao is a little smaller. Both are rated as excellent fruit quality. Both trees are potted up in 1 gal containers (can control the soil moisture levels better, its a slightly snug fit for the roots but some space to grow), they were bareroot when I received them. Using a organic potting soil mix from OSH (didnt want to spend the time to create a mix, wanted to plant ASAP).

Cold hardiness is good, it has been reported that the tree receives little to no damage from 28 degrees. You can refer to this document to learn more about the varieties and Myrica rubra;
https://rirdc.infoservices.com.au/downloads/05-174.pdf (https://rirdc.infoservices.com.au/downloads/05-174.pdf)

As for the USDA inspects, its to be expected... they are over vigorous for inspections in CA, because of the massive agriculture industry.

Trees are being left outside in shaded area, location is 3-4 blocks from the ocean. Humidity levels outside are averaging 70-100% day and night. Temps averaging between 50-65 degrees rest of the week. Fog/Marine layer does not seem to be burning off the next few days, rain forecast in a few days. Not worried about evapotranspiration without a humidity dome.

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=hermosa+beach%2C+ca (http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=hermosa+beach%2C+ca)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: lycheeluva on March 22, 2012, 12:55:55 PM
null, congrats on getting the trees.  please alert me if you hear of a second order. thanks
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Jsvand5 on March 22, 2012, 12:59:54 PM
Me too, Wouldnt mind getting a couple of these.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 22, 2012, 01:13:47 PM
Will update if a second order occurs, a couple people wanting to order from the forums now. If the second order does occur, we can work out the details.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on March 22, 2012, 01:26:28 PM
Please let me know too.  I would love to pick up some of those Giant/Seedless Lychees.  Thanks in advance!
Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: murahilin on March 23, 2012, 09:25:06 AM
Please let me know too.  I would love to pick up some of those Giant/Seedless Lychees.  Thanks in advance!
Simon

A two year USDA Post Entry Quarantine is required for lychees.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on March 23, 2012, 07:37:48 PM
Some better day time pictures of the two Myrica rubra trees. What to expect from the shipping from China;

Ding'ao
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lTub3le9p2M/T20IP917mrI/AAAAAAAACVY/UUUYrUd2ZJM/s640/P1030865.JPG)

Ding'ao + Dongkui
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E5Y7bwoMakU/T20IP1ghcqI/AAAAAAAACVc/4DPTTUl4ocg/s640/P1030868.JPG)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: emegar on April 23, 2012, 02:17:48 PM
Stephen,

Do you have an update for us?  How are your two Myrica rubras doing?  Any signs of growth yet?  Have you heard anything more about a second order?  Do you mind my asking how much they set you back?  Thanks for posting the photos of your trees.

James
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on April 23, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
Stephen,

Do you have an update for us?  How are your two Myrica rubras doing?  Any signs of growth yet?  Have you heard anything more about a second order?  Do you mind my asking how much they set you back?  Thanks for posting the photos of your trees.

James

No sign of new growth, I am getting a little worried. All the green leaves fell off a few weeks back, I still have green on 2 of the plants. However one of the plants looks like it is on the decline, the other is not looking too well as well. I am afraid if they don't sprout new growth it may not end favorably. Should of tried to baby them indoors or give them to someone with a greenhouse. I had a plastic enclosure with a plastic trash bag, but that did not seem to help so I took it off. Just hoping for the best now, after everything.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Rtreid on April 23, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
Null,

These are my plants from the  M. rubra order.
(http://s13.postimage.org/g56t40ehf/P1000753.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/g56t40ehf/)



When I got them, I combined the method I have always used for bare root roses and fruit trees with Ohiojay's techniques. 


When I got the plants home I soaked them overnight in a bucket of water with very dilute Miracle Gro (1 teaspoon in 5 gallons) then potted them up and put them in a mini-greenhouse (2ft x 4 ft x 5 ft high) on seedling heating mats.  This kept the roots warm and the humidity at 95 - 100%.  I kept 4 of the plants in there for about 4 weeks (I just took them out this weekend) and the one that has just started to bud out is still in there. 


So far they are all looking good, keep me appraised on the status of yours.


Richard
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on April 24, 2012, 07:59:37 AM
Great job Richard!  I'd keep them in the little greenhouse until they flushed new growth.  The only thing that popped out for me was that you soaked them overnight?  Obviously it worked for you but that length of time seems extreme.  Anybody have some science behind this.  No Adam...jaboticaba habits are the exception!!   ;D

Null...my only suggestion is to get the plants as much humidity as you can and leave them there.  If they are declining, that's hard to reverse.  Hopefully they will turn around for you.

Thanks for posting the pics guys.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TriangleJohn on April 24, 2012, 10:40:48 AM
My one survivor of the Japan order is doing well with a new flush of growth. My only problem with it is that the new branches are very weak and floppy so I have to rig up all sorts of supports for them. The rootstock has re-sprouted. This time I may let it grow some so that I can determine what they grafted these guys onto.

The one 3 year old seedling that I had planted in the ground died even though our winter was more like a long fall with few frosty nights. The seed came from Taiwan (high elevation) so I guess my zone 7b yard is too cold.

I am not going to attempt to grow these in the ground until someone offers proven hardy varieties. I'll just treat my lone survivor like the vast collection of potted citrus.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on April 24, 2012, 12:24:35 PM
I took a quick picture before leaving for work this morning of the stem of the better tree...

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-xdCx9QRN1LI/T5bSwJ7vhII/AAAAAAAAClk/6DJHdf0XJuc/s400/myrica%2520rubra1.jpg)

Not looking good, I tried a humidity dome made out of a white trash bag outside. It did not seem to work well so I took it off. Anyway I am hoping for the best.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Rtreid on April 24, 2012, 01:06:20 PM
Ohiojay,

I have taken your advice and put them back in the greenhouse for a while.  Since this is my first experience with tropical bare root plants I am kind of flying blind with these.

As far as the soaking procedure, I was taught the technique many years ago by a very experienced nurseryman as a method for planting bare-root temperate fruits and roses.  I do not know if he had any science behind it, but the logic was the same as yours.  The plants have experienced quite a shock from being pulled from the ground and losing all their roots.  Even when packed in moist material, the whole packing/transport/unpacking process leaves them quite desiccated and stressed.  So he said that to help them to get rehydrated, soak them for at least 4 hours (6-8 hours being optimum with overnight fine) but not more than 24 hours before planting.  He also recommended adding a very small amount of fish emulsion (I was out of this at the time) or soluble fertilizer to the water.

Now this is for plants destined to be planted directly outside, but since I have never lost a bare root plant before, it seems to help and I figured that it could not hurt with these.

Just to clarify, I was soaking the root zone, not the whole plant.

I was wondering if the root zone heating helped.  That was just the default set up since this is where I sprout my seeds, but once again I figured it could not hurt.

Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on May 24, 2012, 04:14:38 AM
Richard, your plants look much better than mine although mine are all still alive so far. I did the plastic bag cover for humidity. I was worried when several people told me theirs had turned brown.

The delay with the original "rootstocks" had several contributing factors. They dug up the plants right after the 15-day Chinese New Year and went to apply for phytosanitary certificate. Of course other people were also applying and they waited a week for it. The package was shipped immediately by 2nd day air, and arrived in the U.S. at the start of a holiday long weekend. Then the package was lost for several days where the inspection station had not receive it and the shipping company said it's waiting for inspection. So the plants were bareroot for 3 weeks. I was only able to save 1 out of 6 rootstocks.

Things that would have helped were deeper shade, smaller pot, less/no watering, slug pellets, vitamin B/superthrive soak.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Rtreid on May 24, 2012, 12:28:58 PM
My plants are still doing well. Four of the five have been hardened off and are in light shade. I will probably start shifting them to full sun soon. The fifth plant will be coming out of the tent this week. Interestingly I am finding that the dongkui are hardier and more vigerous than thi dingao.

Richard
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on May 24, 2012, 01:03:26 PM
Richard,

That is great to hear, I am glad the Myrica rubra are doing well for you. I only had two and did not have the accommodation immediately to humidity dome the two I had. Oh well there is always a next time.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on May 24, 2012, 02:31:05 PM
I also took my plants out of humidity for a day but put them back after discovering 4 of 6 had no root growth. The 2 dongkui had roots and good foliage. My mistake was suffocating them with too much watering. Barefoot + humidity tent means water is mostly trapped and the plant isn't able to use much of it. I've been not watering for the past 3 weeks and the pot still feels heavy.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on May 24, 2012, 02:52:38 PM
Sounds like a light weight airy mix would be best, for the bare root Myrica rubra. 50% perlite 50% vermiculite?

I think I would go with these steps, If I put in a new order of Myrica rubra (after learning from mistakes, I would make sure I had all on hand ready to go);

*Soak bareroot Myrica rubra for 6-12 hours in water with some hydrogen peroxide mixed in.
* Dip Myrica rubra in Clonex
* Plant in 50% perlite/50% vermiculite
* Water with distilled water with mycorrhizal fungi mixed in.
* Place humidity dome/plastic bag over
* Place near window indoors or use artificial light such as CFLs.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on May 24, 2012, 07:48:21 PM
Yeah...as I stated in that write-up, the roots are not capable of taking in water for a while and can only get the moisture from the humidity.  That is why boosting humidity is so important...and fighting that impulse to water.  Glad to hear your plants are making it. 
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on May 24, 2012, 08:09:53 PM
Where can I find this useful writeup?
I think light is something to avoid too much of until there are roots. Same with fertilizer.

A friend told me he soaks bareroots in worm tea with a bubbler and mycorhiza mixed in. Sounds like a neat idea.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on May 24, 2012, 08:26:29 PM
Ahh, I just found the writeup. I blame the iPod.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: JujubeTexas on August 24, 2012, 12:55:30 PM
Did you buy your Myrica from Jason's fruit in China?
I notice they sell Myrica and seedless Litchi.
I am thinking of ordering from them.

http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm (http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm)

Lee
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on August 24, 2012, 02:19:00 PM
Did you buy your Myrica from Jason's fruit in China?
I notice they sell Myrica and seedless Litchi.
I am thinking of ordering from them.

http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm (http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm)

Lee
Yes that's the place for both. Minimum order applies. I believe it's 10 for lychees and 100 for M. Rubra. My M. Rubra still hasn't recovered after 5 months. :(
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on August 24, 2012, 05:34:34 PM
That really sucks man.  Is it actually alive though?  If so...don't give up hope.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on August 24, 2012, 05:55:21 PM
I have two right now, one is doing good Ding'ao... the other is in decline Dongkui (lost all its leaves). I am really disappointed that Dongkui is not doing great, it was a gift from someone in the order.

Myrica rubra seem to be very finicky growers. The drastic change in climate and the stress was indeed tough on the plants. I am hoping Ding'ao does well so I can trade scion for Dongkui.

Fang,

I am going to share some scion with you when the Ding'ao gains more size soon. I was planning to try grafting to Morella californica.. since its adapted to this region and easier to find sources of seedlings to use as rootstock.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on August 24, 2012, 05:59:37 PM
2 of 6 have leaves. 4 were hurt really badly from 2 heat spells. The grafts on those are probably gone and I'm hoping the rootstocks will come back. It was a big mistake to bring them to my Burbank apartment where there's nowhere that escapes the daytime heat buildup.

They're supposed to have fibrous roots so maybe a larger pot will help once it has enough root?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on August 24, 2012, 06:01:46 PM
2 of 6 have leaves. 4 were hurt really badly from 2 heat spells. The grafts on those are probably gone and I'm hoping the rootstocks will come back. It was a big mistake to bring them to my Burbank apartment where there's nowhere that escapes the daytime heat buildup.

They're supposed to have fibrous roots so maybe a larger pot will help once it has enough root?

Roots were fibrous when I checked them out... I thought one of the roostocks was dead... turned out it was still alive with white roots. Myrica rubra really despise the hot dry weather... very lucky to have a more humid moderate warm summer.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Soren on November 07, 2012, 02:48:54 AM
Managed to sprout 3 Myrica rubra seeds last week (out of nearly 40); I had treated them with GA3 and do hope to see more sprouting the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on November 07, 2012, 02:55:42 AM
Managed to sprout 3 Myrica rubra seeds last week (out of nearly 40); I had treated them with GA3 and do hope to see more sprouting the coming weeks.

Seems to be about right for this year. I heard that this year is not so good. Hope they turn out to be good tasting.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on November 07, 2012, 07:05:06 AM
How long did it take for them to germinate?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Soren on November 07, 2012, 07:13:37 AM
I got the seeds from my brother, who went to China in June. They were treated with 900ppm GA3 in August and have otherwise been placed in zip-lock bags wrapped with moist coffee filters.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: tabbydan on November 07, 2012, 09:03:00 AM
I got the seeds from my brother, who went to China in June. They were treated with 900ppm GA3 in August and have otherwise been placed in zip-lock bags wrapped with moist coffee filters.

Lucky you.  I asked my wife to get some seeds when she was in China last summer.  She did but she didn't put them in any kind of bag, so they were kind of sorry looking when I met up with her in Singapore.  Probably I should have still tried them but I figured they were dessicated and no longer viable.

What did your brother think about the fruit?  My wife had a very low opinon of it but: she isn't a fruit fantatic like myself, and she didn't necessarily get a good variety (she just bought some from some random vendor).
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TriangleJohn on November 07, 2012, 10:52:39 AM
A Japanese nurseryman was in town giving a lecture at the local arboretum. I asked him about M. rubra and he said that he does a lot of business in China and that he has seen a new variety that is massive - like the size of a chicken egg and very tasty. Both Japan and China are putting restrictions on exporting their newest creations. He was not allowed to buy and ship any, so it may be a while before I get one. I did get some seeds from a friend that went to China. They are in the dried fruit sold in convenience stores. Most often they are soaked in a licorice flavoring, these don't seem to be. I don't know how hot they may have gotten during curing. I'm going to sow them anyway. My one surviving tree imported from Japan is still hanging on and looks healthy.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: tabbydan on November 07, 2012, 10:10:55 PM
A Japanese nurseryman was in town giving a lecture at the local arboretum. I asked him about M. rubra and he said that he does a lot of business in China and that he has seen a new variety that is massive - like the size of a chicken egg and very tasty. Both Japan and China are putting restrictions on exporting their newest creations. He was not allowed to buy and ship any, so it may be a while before I get one. I did get some seeds from a friend that went to China. They are in the dried fruit sold in convenience stores. Most often they are soaked in a licorice flavoring, these don't seem to be. I don't know how hot they may have gotten during curing. I'm going to sow them anyway. My one surviving tree imported from Japan is still hanging on and looks healthy.

Do you still have contact with that nurseryman?   I heard (over a year ago) a claim that the Japanese developed a loquat the size of an orange with no seed.  I think in Japan they call it something like "bee-wa" (the Chinese word for it sounds like "pee-pa").  I'm very curious about their extra large seedless loquat.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: siafu on November 08, 2012, 05:08:37 AM

Dan,

Check the link below for info on the Japanese seedless loquat.

<http://www.hawaiifruit.net/kibou.htm>
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: tabbydan on November 08, 2012, 06:35:52 AM

Dan,

Check the link below for info on the Japanese seedless loquat.

<http://www.hawaiifruit.net/kibou.htm>

Thanks.  It seems "the size of an orange" part of the rumor was way off (a 70 gram orange would be incredibly tiny).
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TriangleJohn on November 08, 2012, 02:08:54 PM
Yes Biwa (bee-wah) is the Japanese name for loquat. Chiba is the region that grows a lot of them and this nurseryman told me that they had many new varieties and some that are very large (he did not say anything about seedless). He said that there is a restriction on exporting them for either 10 or 20 years so it will be a while before he can send me one. His business is collector trees (though he does sell blueberries). In Japan the plant nurseries in an area split up the list of plants to grow so that they do not compete with each other - one nursery grows camelias, another grows azaleas. Everyone is allowed a specialty and everyone refers customers to their neighbors. Most of the land suitable for growing plants is small so all the nurseries tend to be right next door to each other. He sells a lot of trees to China (you should hear the prices some people will pay for rare conifers!) and goes there often. The best he could do for me was offer seeds from Myrica rubra fruit he has eaten which would not be sexed or named cultivars - I told him I'd wait to see if anyone had named varieties.

I can get messages to this nurseryman through local connections - he is good friends with people that work at our local arboretum, but I don't know him personally.

The best way to import trees from Japan is to piggyback your order with someone officially importing trees. The only requirements they told me was that there can be no import restrictions by the US (there aren't for Myrica rubra, I don't know about Loquat) and that I understood that the plants may not survive quarantine. Lucky for me a lot of nursery stock research is done in this area and trees are imported at least once a year. It helps to volunteer at the arboretum and to participate in all their fundraising efforts.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on November 08, 2012, 03:07:38 PM
TriangleJohn,

Very interesting info, I would love to grow Myrica rubra again. Unfortunately, I lost 3 Myrica rubra trees due to shock and weakened from the travel time from China and quarantine wait. I would love trading for seeds of good varieties sometime (I am straying away from the grafted tree due to the weakened status after the shock of travel).
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TriangleJohn on November 08, 2012, 03:36:23 PM
My one lone survivor is looking very healthy. The rootstock has produced many sprouts (the leaves are different than the 'Zuiko' grafted on top). I was asking the nurseryman if it was possible they grafted the female onto a known male and he said since the rootstock is often seedlings they wouldn't know. He thought my plan of waiting until I see flowers and go from there was a good one. I have to keep this guy in a pot (all in-the-ground M. rubra have failed, even with a super mild winter) so it may take a while for it to bloom. I had the tag translated and it mentions 'Zuiko' as good for container growing.

The friends at the arboretum said that these guys are easy from cuttings but I haven't tried it. I will need to prune next summer and may try it then. I am also growing different Myrica species and may try to graft onto them just as a test.

Fruit trees teach you patience thats for sure!
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on November 08, 2012, 03:37:39 PM
There's potentially another import of these from another nursery. The shipping is more expensive due to the location. But they have the Biqi and Crystal cultivars and the plants are more mature.

People who germinated these from seeds say the ones that do germinate are doing well. According to the Australian report, te seedlings would have to be red elected for texture, size, color, taste when they have fruit. So grow more than you plan to keep.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on November 08, 2012, 03:52:28 PM
There's potentially another import of these from another nursery. The shipping is more expensive due to the location. But they have the Biqi and Crystal cultivars and the plants are more mature.

People who germinated these from seeds say the ones that do germinate are doing well. According to the Australian report, te seedlings would have to be red elected for texture, size, color, taste when they have fruit. So grow more than you plan to keep.

I would not mind growing out 10-20 plants from seeds  ;D. Now just need a source for good M. rubra seeds.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Soren on November 09, 2012, 01:09:35 AM
I got the seeds from my brother, who went to China in June. They were treated with 900ppm GA3 in August and have otherwise been placed in zip-lock bags wrapped with moist coffee filters.

Lucky you.  I asked my wife to get some seeds when she was in China last summer.  She did but she didn't put them in any kind of bag, so they were kind of sorry looking when I met up with her in Singapore.  Probably I should have still tried them but I figured they were dessicated and no longer viable.

What did your brother think about the fruit?  My wife had a very low opinon of it but: she isn't a fruit fantatic like myself, and she didn't necessarily get a good variety (she just bought some from some random vendor).

He liked the fruit without describing the taste in details, but since lychee was in season at the same time they took his attention  ;D
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: bangkok on January 02, 2013, 10:32:42 AM
Today i bought a can of arbutus on the market. I even bought 2 because i expected them to be nice but they are not at all.

They were in syrup like you can buy lychee but this fruit is not reccomendable out of a can.

I know the Myrica rubra is another fruit and i hoped to find them on the or-tor-kor market in Bangkok but they only had this one in a can. Well i learned something today.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Roy-Ind on January 02, 2013, 11:22:19 AM
Anybody interested in Myrica nagi syn Myrica esculenta ? It is available in India.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: TriangleJohn on January 02, 2013, 12:53:54 PM
The fruit looks very similar to M. rubra. I would be interested in seeds, if you can mail them to the US.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on January 29, 2015, 01:01:47 PM
Any updates on establishing trees or sources of seeds/trees?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on January 29, 2015, 01:07:45 PM
Just for a heads up, these trees don't appreciate tap water that much. Try to stick to rain water or similar water.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: jmc96 on January 29, 2015, 03:45:15 PM
Just for a heads up, these trees don't appreciate tap water that much. Try to stick to rain water or similar water.

That's not the first time I've heard that. There's a lady in New Zealand that has lost half of her crop. She suspects town water as the culprit.
I'm giving mine rain water only and then only sparingly.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on January 29, 2015, 03:56:18 PM
Just for a heads up, these trees don't appreciate tap water that much. Try to stick to rain water or similar water.

That's not the first time I've heard that. There's a lady in New Zealand that has lost half of her crop. She suspects town water as the culprit.
I'm giving mine rain water only and then only sparingly.

I had a friend give me 3 seedlings, I used regular hose tap water on the seedlings along with the rest of the plants. All 3 seedlings died, I have a feeling my friend was using osmosis water or something similar to water the seedlings. Sad that I lost them, but I learned never to use tap water on them again. Perhaps this issue can be fixed with grafting to rootstock more tolerant to tap water.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on January 29, 2015, 06:32:11 PM
I'm starting from seeds again. I've lost seedlings before to heat and dryness, mostly heat.
My grafted plant is doing okay for the 3rd year. Only about 2ft tall but lots of branches. I use tap water now but RO water at first when it was weak.

A friend is going to China next month and expects to bring back some plants. I'm not sure how many she's allowed or how many she wants to carry. I was planning to go there in March too but I need to push it back a little and will miss the prime time for barerooting.

Considering how difficult it is to establish here, if you ask someone to import it, don't get too upset if it die on you. It's not yours or the other person's fault. I expect nurseries to charge multiples of their import cost for each plant, at least at first.

Someone in norcal has success grafting it to M. cerifera so that's what I'll do to backup mine too.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on January 29, 2015, 09:59:37 PM
Has anyone on the forum managed to establish a tree? And get it to fruit?

Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Soren on January 29, 2015, 11:51:14 PM
Just for a heads up, these trees don't appreciate tap water that much. Try to stick to rain water or similar water.

I got two 1m seedlings getting tap water regularly without any problems.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on January 30, 2015, 01:52:29 AM
People in Australia are ahead of us on this one.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on January 30, 2015, 02:22:15 AM
Just for a heads up, these trees don't appreciate tap water that much. Try to stick to rain water or similar water.

I got two 1m seedlings getting tap water regularly without any problems.

I think the tap water is akaline and has higher amounts of salts (Los Angeles County water). Not to mention flourine etc. I think it mostly comes from the Colorado River.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Tropheus76 on January 30, 2015, 07:58:51 AM
Has anyone tried the seeds from Tradewinds? I put some in a couple pots after soaking them overnight in gibberic acid. I hear they are slow germinating. Been wanting one or two of these for awhile to finish out my strawberry tree triumvirate :P
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Jsvand5 on January 30, 2015, 09:42:57 AM
I have a grafted tree that is doing well on southern bayberry rootstock. I am hoping to have a few more successful grafts in the next few weeks. I had another great looking one going that was about three foot tall but a deer decided to use it as a scratching post and snapped it in half just below the graft.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on January 30, 2015, 12:12:39 PM
Ouch.

Nullz, my well water is about 10-fold less salty/hard than city water (160uS/cm vs. 1600 for san diego city water).
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on January 30, 2015, 09:14:12 PM
I've never tried Tradewind seeds. Horizon Herbs used to also sell seeds.
The seeds are naturally around 25% aborted. Plus the shell and seed coat inhibits growth. GA3 soak isn't as effective as just cracking the seed out of the shell. Be careful since the seed is fragile.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on January 30, 2015, 09:17:31 PM
If anyone has a native bayberry and wants a small scion, please contact me. I'm grafting a branch over to another variety and the branch is also a selected variety -- DongKui.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on January 30, 2015, 10:40:26 PM
If anyone has a native bayberry and wants a small scion, please contact me. I'm grafting a branch over to another variety and the branch is also a selected variety -- DongKui.

Fang,

I would take you up on that when I eventually get a native bayberry. Btw, thanks again for the Opuntia Santa Ynez.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on January 30, 2015, 11:41:14 PM
I think ill get one now for rootstock
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on January 31, 2015, 01:56:14 AM
Anyone know how long it takes to grow a native bayberry from seed to grafting size? I have Myrica cerifera seeds in a pot now. Hopefully the germination rate is good.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on January 31, 2015, 09:20:26 PM
Web says M. Californica and M. Cerifera do better with 3mos cold stratification.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on January 31, 2015, 11:44:15 PM
Web says M. Californica and M. Cerifera do better with 3mos cold stratification.
Both of these should work. Yes, that's what the seed instructions say too. Start with a plant if you can. I just don't know where to get a rootstock around here.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: ronke47 on February 04, 2015, 02:01:49 PM
Fang Liu,  I have two young native myricas (myrica californica) in the ground but I thought you said myrica cerifera had been more successful rootstock for the yang mei.  If you want to "adopt" one of my myrica and try grafting it, that would be fine.  It's in the front yard so you could come visit your child anytime.  I'm two  miles from the ocean, so it is definitely more humid here than in Burbank.  If you're going to be at the WLA CRFG scion exchange, we can talk then.  BTW, if you want a myrica californica for your very own, the Grow Native Nursery in the WLA VA grounds currently has five one-gallon trees.  I got mine from them as one-gallons several months ago, upcanned them to five gallons and put them in the ground last week.  Though of course, I am still hoping to bring back genuine yang mei trees next month.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: greenman62 on February 04, 2015, 05:33:49 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-Myrica-Rubra-Chinese-Bay-Berry-Morella-Rubra-Subtropical-Rare-Seeds-/371089995124?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item5666aff574 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-Myrica-Rubra-Chinese-Bay-Berry-Morella-Rubra-Subtropical-Rare-Seeds-/371089995124?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item5666aff574)

 Myrica rubra seeds

$0.79
free shipping

also
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121449350116?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/121449350116?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

i actually bought them just now from here...
along with  Kakdam papaya
and Pom seeds
$5 or so for everything



any guess as to germ rates ?
LOL
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Tropheus76 on February 05, 2015, 08:06:27 AM
I am done with Myrica seeds if my current batch doesn't work, Ill wait until someone has seedlings for sale.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 05, 2015, 09:02:13 AM
I am done with Myrica seeds if my current batch doesn't work, Ill wait until someone has seedlings for sale.

I gave up on them. Much easier to just buy some southern bayberry plants (or even find them growing wild) and just graft them.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on February 06, 2015, 07:19:11 PM
I didn't want to discourage people from trying to grow from seeds. They should last a year. One batch I cracked open the shells to find 25% of them already aborted and paper thin. 50% germination would be really good. You'd have to crack the shell to remove the source of inhibiting hormone, which is the shell. Seed coat also inhibits but much less. I wouldn't try to remove that since the seed is so fragile.
A professional fruit harvesting friend in China did want to discourage me from doing it. He said he wouldn't plant seeds in the Fall from fruits of the same year. I can ask for seeds later this year if I remember.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on February 06, 2015, 08:55:38 PM
On M. Californica. One cleft graft, two veneer, two whip:

(http://s2.postimg.cc/bwyfcr7j9/20150206_165728.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bwyfcr7j9/)

Thanks fyliu!
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nullzero on February 06, 2015, 08:57:39 PM
On M. Californica. One cleft graft, two veneer, two whip:

(http://s2.postimg.cc/bwyfcr7j9/20150206_165728.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bwyfcr7j9/)

Thanks fyliu!

Very nice update us with the progress.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on February 06, 2015, 09:05:29 PM
Will do. Btw, I got the M. Californica from Briggs in Vista. They were the 4th nursery I called, so not terribly hard to find. I'd love to get that Sierra species, hartweggii, so that I could grow in colder climes. That can wait till its working on Californica though.

Had a great walk around today. All my pear grafts are breaking buds. Avos looking ok. Loquots too. Spring is here in San Diego.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on February 07, 2015, 03:21:15 PM
Sheffield's sells seeds by the pound :)
https://sheffields.com/seeds/Myrica/rubra (https://sheffields.com/seeds/Myrica/rubra)

Cool article on genetics:
http://hortsci.ashspublications.org/content/44/2/487.full
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on March 28, 2015, 11:37:26 PM
So all of my grafts failed. Will try again someday. Jim Nietzel said something discouraging to me today when I asked him about Yangmei. Said he had the same experience as everyone else that's ever tried them (presumably in CA), i.e. they struggled for a while and just died.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Jsvand5 on March 29, 2015, 01:39:07 AM
They do seem tough to graft. I have had some success with totally brown woody scions with no swelling buds. Any green scions with buds always seem to push growth too quickly and then shrivel before a connection with the stock is established. I think I will end up with a few good ones from this years batch of scions though. Last year I only had two successes, a BiQi and a female seedling. I might try air layering next.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on April 28, 2015, 09:42:59 PM
Visited San Francisco Botanical Garden in Golden Gate Park. Library said they had myrica rubra but turned out to be super small:

(http://s3.postimg.cc/w6pr3ycrz/0426151637.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/w6pr3ycrz/)

Didn't have time to find the mature tree reportedly in berkeley arboretum.

Actually right next to the rubra was a californica, with something else growing up between its two trunks. No label, but it look related and had nice smelling leaves different from the californica. Californica leaves on right, other on left.

(http://s15.postimg.cc/7q3ldncuv/0426151636.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7q3ldncuv/)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: yc889 on October 29, 2015, 05:30:55 PM
It seems like a little easier to graft on M. Cerifera than on M. Californica, but this summer I succeeded on both with the approach grafting method.
The native growing area has much higher humidity, so I believe the key to a high grafting success rate is providing a high humidity environment (using shaded plastic bag or a greenhouse), although I did not use them for myself. Grafting thicker (7 to 10 mm) scions also helps a lot, but I have succeeded on couple of 4 mm  scions too.
I never had any problem with the tap water in my area (ground water and Hetch Hetchy water mixed). I also had lots of seedlings die but I think that's mostly because of insufficient shading from sun, or insufficient water.
I sowed some M. Cerifera seeds in July/August, and had a bunch of seedlings in Sept. M. Cerifera and M. Californica are definitely much easier to handle than yangmei plants, and the yangmei scion I grafted on M. Cerifera had deep green leaves, and appears less susceptible to watering conditions or shading requirement.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on October 29, 2015, 10:10:56 PM
Thanks for chiming in on your successes. I did a few approach grafts but 2 of the californicas actually died in the heat we were having. I didn't re-water quickly enough. M. cerifera plants seem to be more difficult to get here. I'll see if I can get some online and try approach grafting those.

My last californica approach graft hasn't been cut yet. Maybe I'll wait for next spring when they're actively growing.
Jsvand5 told me he cut some off too soon and they didn't make it.

What would be good times to put on and cut grafts? Keeping them over the winter doesn't feel ideal.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: yc889 on October 29, 2015, 10:41:02 PM
I also had a few that's cut too early and died. A couple others, I cut a little early, but when I observed they were starting to wilt, I gave them the plastic bag treatment, which saved them. Overall, my experiment on approach graft probably will end up with a 50% success rate or better. Next year I do this I should do better than that.
I am also trying the approach graft with the scion cut from the donor plant, but with a bottle to keep its water supply. No conclusion yet, but so far looking good. If this method works well, that will make things a lot easier.

(http://s1.postimg.cc/5u97jd4wr/approach_graft_2015.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5u97jd4wr/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/ypepjvlph/DSC05967.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ypepjvlph/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/ox0xc22pp/DSC05968.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ox0xc22pp/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/x6usv5yu9/Hei_Jing08_MAR2015.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x6usv5yu9/)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on October 30, 2015, 03:44:09 AM
You mean cut the donor scion and keep the cut end in water for a while while the rootstock continues to merge with it? Interesting.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Doglips on October 30, 2015, 06:38:54 AM
Both of my attempts to grow from seed failed.  Although I didn't know about shelling the first go round.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on October 30, 2015, 05:17:36 PM
thanks for the heads up on approach grafting yc.

the old bottle graft! that's fun. that's an old technique that's also used to get off season flowering for cross polination.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on June 11, 2018, 09:12:07 AM
Anyone have updates on the best technique for sprouting seeds, where to buy seedling plants or grafted plants? I did a forum search and the seeds seem nearly impossible to sprout and even if they sprout, they seem to die.

Sounds like innarching is the way to go but you would need a living plant to innarch to.

If anyone has a plant for sale, I’m definitely interested! Thanks,

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on June 11, 2018, 10:53:29 AM
This plants seems really hard to propagate to me. It might be because I have one tree and it's a weak one that produces weak cuttings. The bareroot shipping probably damaged the roots too much and it's not recovered for many years. Maybe I need to grow seeds and inarch it like you say.

I'm still trying to figure out seed germination. I've been cracking them open and they look fine inside. Then they become moldy and rot. I guess put them in peat moss so the fungus don't get them so fast. I haven't had much success myself.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: joehewitt on June 11, 2018, 01:10:05 PM
I know of two separate projects to propagate the Chinese cultivars of Myrica (actually Morella) rubra and make plants available for sale in the US. I think it's safe to say that within 3-5 years they'll be easily found.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: greenman62 on June 11, 2018, 02:21:26 PM
Has anyone seen this site ?

http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm (http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm)

they say they ship to the USA.
i am sending them an email to get pricing.
it may be cheaper to get a group order going ?
i really want 1 or 2 (they have different varieties)
"black-peak" looks interesting...

unless its very expensive i will probably order.

Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nattyfroootz on June 11, 2018, 02:33:37 PM
Dang, such horrible font color choice on that website.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on June 11, 2018, 04:19:58 PM
That's where we ordered from before. The website looks a lot better already. There's no scrolling or pop up stuff. Images are less stretched than before too.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: cmichael258 on June 11, 2018, 04:28:10 PM
Has anyone seen this site ?

http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm (http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm)

they say they ship to the USA.
i am sending them an email to get pricing.
it may be cheaper to get a group order going ?
i really want 1 or 2 (they have different varieties)
"black-peak" looks interesting...

Please keep us posted when they reply.

unless its very expensive i will probably order.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: EvilFruit on June 11, 2018, 05:17:01 PM
 8)  Dong Kui, so refreshing

(https://s33.postimg.cc/okvaxj15n/DSC_0149.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/okvaxj15n/)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: EvilFruit on June 11, 2018, 05:22:51 PM
From inside

(https://s33.postimg.cc/3t2u2vxor/DSC_0151.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3t2u2vxor/)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on June 11, 2018, 05:38:30 PM
The fresh fruit is also sold in Los Angeles this year.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on June 11, 2018, 07:22:22 PM
Fang, please let me know if you find out where in LA they are selling the fruit. It may be worth the road trip.

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on June 11, 2018, 08:22:30 PM
It's pretty pricey since this is the only place that has it. They used to have a business shipping things to China. Now they sell fruits from China. They don't know fruits very well. I kind of understand them selling yangmei for $35/lb since they're the only seller, but passion fruit from China for more than a few dollars/lb is ridiculous. I'll ask my wife for their location if you're still interested.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on June 12, 2018, 12:25:34 AM
My friend ate a bunch of fresh Myrica Rubra when he was in China and he saw this thread and said the fruit didn’t look too fresh so I’ll pass. He mentioned that the Fruit get soft very fast at room temp. If this place also sells No Mai Tsze Lychees, I’ll definitely be interested!

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: EvilFruit on June 12, 2018, 09:43:52 AM
It's pretty pricey since this is the only place that has it. They used to have a business shipping things to China. Now they sell fruits from China. They don't know fruits very well. I kind of understand them selling yangmei for $35/lb since they're the only seller, but passion fruit from China for more than a few dollars/lb is ridiculous. I'll ask my wife for their location if you're still interested.

 :-X

wow, it is very expensive in the USA.

The taste is quite unique for Myrica rubra . It has a very strong Kiwi flavor with a hint of water melon.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: EvilFruit on June 12, 2018, 09:50:43 AM
I have around 50 seeds of Dong Kui. The first 25 seeds will be treated with GA3 and placed inside a ziplock bag. The second batch will get cold scarification and then treated with GA3.

I hope these seeds are still viable and not completely irradiated/dead.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on June 12, 2018, 11:19:26 AM
My friend ate a bunch of fresh Myrica Rubra when he was in China and he saw this thread and said the fruit didn’t look too fresh so I’ll pass. He mentioned that the Fruit get soft very fast at room temp. If this place also sells No Mai Tsze Lychees, I’ll definitely be interested!

Simon

Yeah, people in China don't want it once it gets a little puffy on the skin. They pack them in plastic cells in styrofoam and ship them express over there. They last about a week. On the other hand, they buy crappy avocados from us at high prices.

The only interesting thing this place sells is yangmei. The owner is from around Shanghai so she probably doesn't know lychee very well. The Fei zi siu I got last week from a supermarket was pretty bad. They were decent in previous years.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: beicadad on June 13, 2018, 12:11:09 AM
I am Simon’s friend. I grew up in a region where Dongkui Yangmei is abundant. I don’t think it will last a week. At room temperature you can tell difference after only 1/2 day. If you keep them refrigerated they will last a few days but not a week. Even then after a couple of days they are just not as good.

People can really be turned off by bad cultivars, or fruits that are not absolutely fresh. But if you have fresh, right off the tree and a good variety, dang! Some pics of dongkui and trees below. Interesting that now they are putting up tents on trees
(https://s33.postimg.cc/kit30we23/0_C72_ED0_C-0_F19-4_A90-_B0_AF-96397_C6_A81_B4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kit30we23/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/i1hbtmeq3/1311_DD07-3219-4976-_A2_DB-_FD8_D89630_F67.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/i1hbtmeq3/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/tqlbhlsu3/269_FAA9_F-_A086-461_A-9071-_B72_E5_BCBCEEA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tqlbhlsu3/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/dfl7lao23/47140_CBE-_E40_F-4_DBF-96_BA-_D4_A94003_D16_F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/dfl7lao23/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/6cdc5oqcb/7_D5_C7606-69_CD-4_F28-9_CAD-_D56581_A8_A185.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6cdc5oqcb/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/eumsa01zv/ECBFA808-82_B3-440_F-_A39_A-9_D9064726_BFB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/eumsa01zv/)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on June 13, 2018, 12:41:39 AM
Thanks for posting the information. Are the tents for worms, maybe fruit flies?

I've seen videos of u-pick places in China. Fruit picking tours are more popular these days I think. Correct me if I'm outdated. I've been here for 20+ years and really am not that well connected to what happens there anymore.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: beicadad on June 13, 2018, 01:06:21 AM
Thanks for posting the information. Are the tents for worms, maybe fruit flies?

I've seen videos of u-pick places in China. Fruit picking tours are more popular these days I think. Correct me if I'm outdated. I've been here for 20+ years and really am not that well connected to what happens there anymore.

I think the tents (just my guesses)
- more heat so fruits ripen up earlier and this enjoy better price
- rain control. Yangmei ripens during the rain season so constant rain will affect taste and fruit quality
- insect control

Yeah u-picks are definitely more popular but I haven’t seen any Yangmei u-picks, though it’s possible
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Tropheus76 on June 13, 2018, 10:31:19 AM
With the demand we have here, it boggles the mind that none of the people with the few successful germinations have tried air layering and selling seedlings. I would love to have a few to grow in Central Fl.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on June 13, 2018, 10:52:20 AM
With the demand we have here, it boggles the mind that none of the people with the few successful germinations have tried air layering and selling seedlings. I would love to have a few to grow in Central Fl.
I thought I posted my airlayering results years ago. In short, 3 consecutive years of putting several airlayers at different times failed.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on June 13, 2018, 06:47:44 PM
Here’s some info that most of you already know:
http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/gardening/that-myrica-rubra-stuff-from-few-years-back-t5788-40.html (http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/gardening/that-myrica-rubra-stuff-from-few-years-back-t5788-40.html)

At least someone was successful growing and fruiting it.

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on June 13, 2018, 07:20:30 PM
This year I let one rootstock root into the ground through the pot while upping the other 2 to 5gal before grafting. Interestingly, the one in the ground did not take any grafts. It did make a really strong sucker that pushed the main trunk almost flat to the soil line. The grafts were already failing before the sucker took over. I guess I should graft onto the sucker and see how that does. The other rootstocks took 1 or 2 out of about 5 grafts. I hope the heat doesn't kill the grafts. Some grafts that pushed out earlier wilted. Yangmei grafts will push early and then die. The ones that are slower tend to have better chances of healing.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: marklee on June 13, 2018, 07:32:41 PM
This year I let one rootstock root into the ground through the pot while upping the other 2 to 5gal before grafting. Interestingly, the one in the ground did not take any grafts. It did make a really strong sucker that pushed the main trunk almost flat to the soil line. The grafts were already failing before the sucker took over. I guess I should graft onto the sucker and see how that does. The other rootstocks took 1 or 2 out of about 5 grafts. I hope the heat doesn't kill the grafts. Some grafts that pushed out earlier wilted. Yangmei grafts will push early and then die. The ones that are slower tend to have better chances of healing.

Fang,

Of the 3 pieces that I got from you via Toan, I grafted onto Californica they did good for a bit, but eventually all failed. I think next time try the M. cerifera as rootstock.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on June 14, 2018, 12:17:33 PM
Mine all died too on M. cerifera. I think it just heals very slowly. The ones that take longer to push have better chances at survival. Maybe the grafts should be covered in foil to prevent them from pushing too soon.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on June 14, 2018, 12:32:46 PM
Are you guys all performing Cleft or veneer grafts or have you innarched them before? I read somewhere that someone was successful innarching them.

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on June 14, 2018, 04:21:35 PM
You mean inarch with yangmei or native rootstock? I once approach grafted a native rootstock and the rootstock gave up its roots, thinking it can just take nutrients from the mother tree. It grew pretty well until I cut below the yangmei side of the graft.

I did cleft, whip and tongue, approach, side. I guess side graft is more successful for me. It's still not a good percentage though.

I keep saying it's hard to propagate, but that could be just me, or my rootstocks, or my one mother plant.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on June 24, 2018, 12:16:47 AM
Here’s a good read, it’s probably posted somewhere already but buried.
https://watermark.silverchair.com/28-9-1431.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAbMwggGvBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggGgMIIBnAIBADCCAZUGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQM_3hnMU9ks3m3m9UyAgEQgIIBZrfNz4KlTbQSyCxD78wqf-WukLRVUL0RD_qmgwXJL3eiNcAWEI2O3kF_wP3DSlz_kZI_9EPGrrSxepg6U24fVp8M3lAOIdY65B_RhMoK3o-II9Tm5zl2Yf3uDeJyvay7RGZjVeIO1Jr71R7-Xf-c365v0vjSAjmJ8-PHgp7aB9H54J_OAMyUzFUBn8vXArwU7Ai_NHW-bKUkp0h3ENHkxE_XqMtTNQeeQN7_edNwVKEhWnMMP81lB6MxmhxfU9ngdQc6Gp50qBxp1TOz6Gnn1p3v87kks3KT533InzQ1Yis8R_7p13XRHSV5yUENFkjyFYZaJEd_-mJFha1_IkvO6IR_msIjegIslDaFEViKpjFsMoEl7m6_p4bRuowEZ7-SefUiWBqT7vC-D4t82dPyMsDBy3Ce8zDDszvwOvbL_IZ877yUezovy-ry8EaSjN3Ki5P2N09KHeERLt9EOQR9XHiwv842iRk

Looks like we should be able to germinate the seeds pretty easily if we had access to a lab with the PGRs. I don’t so I’ll probably end up growing some outdoors for a year and then heat and cold stratify the other half. Looks like I should remove the seed cover.

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: greenman62 on June 24, 2018, 02:44:44 PM
Here’s a good read, it’s probably posted somewhere already but buried.

Looks like we should be able to germinate the seeds pretty easily if we had access to a lab with the PGRs. I don’t so I’ll probably end up growing some outdoors for a year and then heat and cold stratify the other half. Looks like I should remove the seed cover.

Simon

link didnt work
but pretty sure this is it
-this link should be OK

Roles of gibberellins and abscisic acid in dormancy and germination of
red bayberry (Myrica rubra) seeds
https://academic.oup.com/treephys/article-pdf/28/9/1431/4593176/28-9-1431.pdf
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on June 24, 2018, 04:36:02 PM
That’s it greenman62, thanks!

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on June 25, 2018, 01:11:09 PM
It's really hard to crack the shell without breaking the seed inside. The shell is like 2mm thick and the seed is right up against it with no wiggle room.

I tried GA3 and the seeds started growing a taproot and then melted away. I might just plant some without any treatment and wait.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: camerony on July 11, 2018, 09:41:08 AM
Has anyone seen this site ?

http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm (http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm)

they say they ship to the USA.
i am sending them an email to get pricing.
it may be cheaper to get a group order going ?
i really want 1 or 2 (they have different varieties)
"black-peak" looks interesting...

Please keep us posted when they reply.

unless its very expensive i will probably order.

I emailed them as well, and they quoted me 83 USD per tree for 10 trees.  The plants sizes are 50-70 cm height and 0.6-0.7cm diameter.

I've also bought seeds from Sheffields from both lots (2012, 2013) and crack open the endocarp using a vise.  I was probably 80% successful at extracting the seed without damaging it.   Also about 20% of the seeds were not viable, the seed was dried and black.  The seeds were soaked in 800 ppm GA3 for 24 hours and now being cold stratified. 
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on March 18, 2019, 12:22:24 AM
Anyone have luck germinating seeds?

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on March 18, 2019, 08:03:17 PM
I just got home and dug down a little and confirmed I got my first seed to sprout. Some weeds were growing in this pot so I wasn’t positive yesterday if it was really Yangmei but I followed the plant down to the cotyledon and I found the hard shell.

There’s still a chance it could die as others have experienced but I’m hoping for the best. I’m just hoping more will sprout so that I might get lucky with a male and female. Then I just have to hope I get lucky with decent tasting fruit if everything else goes well.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QKT9My2S/42-B1-F97-B-209-B-4-D4-E-9-E55-9793-F5-E29659.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QKT9My2S)
Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: CAdreamer on March 18, 2019, 10:39:20 PM
i also have 1 seedling that germinated. 
(https://i.postimg.cc/sBZ4sy52/IMG-0755.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sBZ4sy52)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on March 19, 2019, 03:22:18 AM
how many seeds did you guys plant to get some germination? What source sells viable seeds? Did you end up doing any cracking or GA3 treatment or just planted and waited?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on March 19, 2019, 07:19:30 PM
I got seeds from a friend. I cold stratified in fridge for a month and then planted the seeds in a pot outdoors and just ignored it.

A different batch of seeds that were treated with GA and placed on a heat Matt did not sprout. I cracked open a few seeds and it was mushy inside.

For this pot, I planted 4 seeds and only one came up so far.

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: CAdreamer on March 19, 2019, 11:29:21 PM
I got my seed from fresh fruit.   I put it on a heat mat for a little while but then put it outside in the cold for the winter when I need room for more tropical plants on the heat mat.    It took 8 months.   
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on March 20, 2019, 01:38:02 AM
Thanks. I did the cracking and GA3 before and it worked okay one time and failed 2 other times after that. I threw some into a pot a month ago and I'll throw some more into pots since my seeds are 2 years old now. The inhibiting hormones are supposed to weather away, but the seeds were in the fridge so maybe that didn't happen. Well, if anyone grows a male tree, let me know. My old tree is producing all female flowers now and I'm planning to put a M. cerifera male next to it for pollen hoping it will work.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on March 20, 2019, 08:19:56 AM
Hey Fang, I’ll be happy to swap scions with you if I get a male tree.

Hopefully the nursery in the video will start selling grafted plants in the coming years.

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on March 22, 2019, 02:58:54 AM
Thanks Simon. I have a male graft. It's just not big enough to flower yet.

What video? I didn't find anything about it in the last few pages.

The people I know that have grafted plants are switching to growing and marketing the fruit first, to generate a wider interest in the trees. Expanding the growing acreage will also mean more propagation material available to make grafted trees. I think it makes good sense to do it in this order. If they start selling trees first, they run out of scions and they have no replacement when customers complain about dead trees. The trees are not easy to grow or graft and the rootstock species are prone to spontaneous dieback. The fruit growing experience will help them flush out all the potential problems. So grafted trees from them could be a few more years out.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on March 22, 2019, 10:19:44 AM
Here’s the video Fang:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCo1TIXo-tE

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on March 22, 2019, 10:46:10 AM
Here’s the video Fang:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCo1TIXo-tE

Simon

Thanks Simon! That's awesome. Several named varieties and descriptions.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on March 22, 2019, 02:53:10 PM
Thanks Simon. Yeah, he's the most successful grower of this fruit.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on March 23, 2019, 05:07:25 AM
Anyone have luck germinating seeds?

Simon

After several failed attempts to germinate seeds i finally got a good batch. The ones that sprouted really well were fresh seeds sent to me by Mike T on this forum. So it seems the main factor, as usual, is getting really fresh seeds. The plants are all above 4 feet tall, but still in pots. Should go into the ground soon. I don't know if they will even fruit in our climate, but will give it a shot.
PS the plants are delicate and don't like being transplanted. I potted some up and lost some from transplant shock, although i took steps to avoid any shock.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Alejandro45 on March 23, 2019, 09:39:57 AM
Oscar what steps did you take to prevent shock?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on March 23, 2019, 05:22:55 PM
Oscar what steps did you take to prevent shock?
Extra shade and moisture right after transplanting, and keeping a closer eye on them.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: JoeP450 on March 24, 2019, 02:58:53 PM
Here is some more info that might be helpful https://www.agrifutures.com.au/wp-content/uploads/publications/10-200.pdf (https://www.agrifutures.com.au/wp-content/uploads/publications/10-200.pdf)

Ordered two packets from Sheffield’s I’ll give this a shot, I’ve had the fruit before at a sushi restaurant as a garnish on the plate and it was pretty good.


Can someone put together a step wise summary of how to germinate?


Thanks,

-joep450
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on April 02, 2019, 12:14:45 PM
I found a second sprout yesterday
(https://i.postimg.cc/nMR8SK9C/3372-C96-F-3423-4905-BA62-1-BB39-C54-F1-A1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nMR8SK9C)
Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: joehewitt on April 07, 2019, 07:50:02 PM
I'm so excited about this fruit. I got to taste some California-grown Yangmei a couple years ago and loved it immensely.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Alejandro45 on April 07, 2019, 10:10:14 PM
Any place we can order a Cali grown fruit?! I have paid as much as $24 a lb for some imported mangosteens.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on April 08, 2019, 12:50:50 AM
Any place we can order a Cali grown fruit?! I have paid as much as $24 a lb for some imported mangosteens.
I remember there were imported yangmei fruit sold last year, pickup in Monterey Park. Maybe I posted about it before? If so, that price is accurate. I thin the imported fruits were over $30/lb and only available during the weeks of harvest season in China.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Alejandro45 on April 08, 2019, 06:55:02 PM
Ouch! I would bite the bullet to just taste them though.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: jason (palo alto) on April 11, 2019, 12:20:05 AM
Any place we can order a Cali grown fruit?! I have paid as much as $24 a lb for some imported mangosteens.

We'll likely have a limited quantity of California grown fruit this year for sale in select Bay area locations. Visit http://calmei-yangmei.com (http://calmei-yangmei.com) to stay updated when we announce, probably in May or June.  8)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: spaugh on April 11, 2019, 01:39:11 AM
Any place we can order a Cali grown fruit?! I have paid as much as $24 a lb for some imported mangosteens.

We'll likely have a limited quantity of California grown fruit this year for sale in select Bay area locations. Visit http://calmei-yangmei.com (http://calmei-yangmei.com) to stay updated when we announce, probably in May or June.  8)

What part of CA is it grown in?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Rainbow on April 11, 2019, 01:59:29 AM
I would like some, thanks
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: ManVFruit on April 11, 2019, 02:19:16 AM
I found a second sprout yesterday
(https://i.postimg.cc/nMR8SK9C/3372-C96-F-3423-4905-BA62-1-BB39-C54-F1-A1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nMR8SK9C)
Simon

Sound like you got good batch of seeds mine are still in pots for over 6 months no signs yet, who is your source for those seeds?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on April 11, 2019, 03:29:43 AM
Any place we can order a Cali grown fruit?! I have paid as much as $24 a lb for some imported mangosteens.

We'll likely have a limited quantity of California grown fruit this year for sale in select Bay area locations. Visit http://calmei-yangmei.com (http://calmei-yangmei.com) to stay updated when we announce, probably in May or June.  8)
From the website link given above:
It began in 2011 in a suburban backyard in Fremont, California, where Yunfei Chen, a scientist by trade, germinated his first yangmei seed. Within a few years, and after much trial and error, Yunfei succeeded in producing yangmei fruit of the highest quality. In an effort to share this delicious and nutritious fruit with the wider public, Yunfei and Charlie formed Calmei, Inc.

What part of CA is it grown in?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Alejandro45 on April 11, 2019, 07:10:45 AM
 ;D finally there is progress!!!

I have to wonder, how do these trees germinate and grow without all this special attention in the wild? How does the seed get dispersed? Is there a special mammal that has to swallow it? So many questions about its ecology!
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on April 11, 2019, 04:24:25 PM
Alright! Fresh California-grown fruit!

As far as I know, there's nothing too special about germination. Seeds just land on the ground where they're stratified/weathered for the winter or longer which reduces the amount of germination-inhibiting hormone in the shell and seed coat and some get worked into the dirt or buried by leave litter so they germinate all at different times.

It's not endangered or anything. A friend on FB posted photos of huge yangmei trees lining the streets of Tokyo. I guess they grow well there.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on April 11, 2019, 05:59:42 PM
Alright! Fresh California-grown fruit!

As far as I know, there's nothing too special about germination. Seeds just land on the ground where they're stratified/weathered for the winter or longer which reduces the amount of germination-inhibiting hormone in the shell and seed coat and some get worked into the dirt or buried by leave litter so they germinate all at different times.

It's not endangered or anything. A friend on FB posted photos of huge yangmei trees lining the streets of Tokyo. I guess they grow well there.
What is huge? How big do they get?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on April 16, 2019, 01:18:28 PM
Alright! Fresh California-grown fruit!

As far as I know, there's nothing too special about germination. Seeds just land on the ground where they're stratified/weathered for the winter or longer which reduces the amount of germination-inhibiting hormone in the shell and seed coat and some get worked into the dirt or buried by leave litter so they germinate all at different times.

It's not endangered or anything. A friend on FB posted photos of huge yangmei trees lining the streets of Tokyo. I guess they grow well there.
What is huge? How big do they get?

They all seem to be males.

There's one on Uchinada beach, in the sand by the road side with maybe wind and salt burn on the leaves. That one's about 8ft, with male flowers.

There are huge trees at a park in Yokohama.
(https://i.postimg.cc/m1fb5gj7/55590230-10157195744899198-4519921151635357696-o.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/m1fb5gj7)

There are some near the Hiroshima A Bomb site, maybe 2 stories tall. There's a photo of one 3-4 stories tall next to an apartment building that I can't tell if it's yangmei.

There are street trees in Tokyo, pruned to narrow canopies.(https://i.postimg.cc/gXRwJ5Bq/53726466-10157171177249198-1582152332781551616-o.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXRwJ5Bq)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: atilla on April 16, 2019, 01:22:28 PM
Oscar what steps did you take to prevent shock?
fruits regularly in jamaica less than 200 meters elevation
atilla
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fruitlovers on May 02, 2019, 06:17:28 PM
Oscar what steps did you take to prevent shock?
fruits regularly in jamaica less than 200 meters elevation
atilla
Oh great! Thanks, that gives me a lot more hope that they will fruit here. I am at exactly 200 meters also.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on May 03, 2019, 10:13:47 PM
My two seedlings got eaten by this black Caterpillar. Sucks, the caterpillar ate one seedling so I moved it and then more caterpillars showed up.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mn9pPspH/05-EEBE51-091-E-40-D2-B90-D-4474-C15-B8-FE2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mn9pPspH)
Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: JoeP450 on May 03, 2019, 10:41:00 PM
I’m really bummed to see this news, need to take those caterpillars down to the lake with a fishing pole!


-Joep450
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: kernol on June 15, 2019, 03:36:25 AM
Hey, I could need some help with my Myrica rubra seedling.
 I've already lost two seedlings and I cant seem to keep em alive. Older leaves are always starting to dry out from the tips until it would cover the entire plant and slowly killing the seedling.
Any ideas how to prevent that from happening? Do I need some special kind of fertilizer even at this young growing stages?
The pic is of my latest seedling.


(https://i.imgur.com/arTKB4X.jpg?3)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: atilla on June 19, 2019, 11:58:01 AM
very sensitive to lime and chlorine
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: FV Fruit Freak on June 30, 2019, 05:53:11 PM
My two seedlings got eaten by this black Caterpillar. Sucks, the caterpillar ate one seedling so I moved it and then more caterpillars showed up.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mn9pPspH/05-EEBE51-091-E-40-D2-B90-D-4474-C15-B8-FE2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mn9pPspH)
Simon

Hi Simon, what technique did you use to germinate? I just got some seeds. Thanks.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on June 30, 2019, 06:16:30 PM
I cold stratified the seeds for about a month and directly planted them in small pots with potting mix. I hear they don’t transplant well so next time, I will cold stratify and directly plant them into the ground where I want the tree to grow in it’s permanent location.

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: pvaldes on June 30, 2019, 07:56:22 PM
Hey, I could need some help with my Myrica rubra seedling.
 I've already lost two seedlings and I cant seem to keep em alive. The pic is of my latest seedling.
(https://i.imgur.com/arTKB4X.jpg?3)

Hmmmm, Are you sure that this is a Myrica? the leaves are much more toothed and very different....
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: FV Fruit Freak on June 30, 2019, 08:10:01 PM
I cold stratified the seeds for about a month and directly planted them in small pots with potting mix. I hear they don’t transplant well so next time, I will cold stratify and directly plant them into the ground where I want the tree to grow in it’s permanent location.

Simon

Thank you sir! PM me your address if you’d like me to send some seeds your way. They actually sent me more than I need. Cheers.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Ashok on July 01, 2019, 08:51:25 PM
Hey Tropical Fruit Forum --

I've heard Yunfei Chen (one of the principals of the CalMei venture) speak on M. rubra twice. Most recently, he spoke before our local CRFG chapter in March.

Several points:

Mr. Chen said that M. rubra/yangmei appears to be healthier and more drought-tolerant when grafted on M. californica roots. (This is under California conditions, obviously.) He and his partners are propagating elite Chinese cultivars in association with Suncrest Nursery in Watsonville. However, as alluded-to earlier in this thread, the plants are intended for commercial orchardists and will not be available to home growers until a few more years have passed.

Suncrest Nursery is propagating yangmei on M. californica roots. So, for those in California, forget about trying to germinate M. rubra seeds. Just get M. californica plants from a native plant nursery and wait until scionwood becomes available through the usual hobbyist networks. (This still might take a while, but that would leave time for rootstocks to become well-established and healthy.)

As to where the (small initial) CalMei crop is being grown (or was grown, the season is probably done now), Mr. Chen said the fruit was being produced in association with two Bay Area-region growers. Since he explicitly mentioned the Suncrest Nursery connection, I suspect the growers are in the Monterey Bay Area, but I could be mistaken. (I got the vague impression that the plants might be happier on the California coast than in the Central Valley ... for example, he grows his own home-garden plants under shadecloth in Fremont, and Fremont has a relatively cool/mild climate, certainly compared to valley locations.)

Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: FV Fruit Freak on July 02, 2019, 01:54:14 AM
I wonder how these New Zealand yangmei trials are going...

https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/the-orchardist/20150201/282325383397179 (https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/the-orchardist/20150201/282325383397179)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: camerony on July 19, 2019, 01:27:25 AM
New video from CRFG on Calmei’s progress on the commercialization of the fruit.  Interesting tidbits on the cultivation of the plant.  Unfortunately they aren’t selling any plants. 
https://youtu.be/QyqQagZM_6Y
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Das Bhut on July 19, 2019, 08:09:12 AM
Here's some photos of the best of my small collection.

I protect the one in the ground with a wire cage filled with dry leaves and then wrapped in plastic sheeting.

The newly purchased tree shows its label but all I can read is Yamamomo without any cultivar or variety name.
There was an addition ribbon tag put on by the friend that brought it to me with the hand written name 'Zulko'

I grew up in Japan and that is not a Japanese word.
(http://s17.postimage.org/a45fw2apn/myricarubra1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/a45fw2apn/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/mv6agpx99/myricarubra2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mv6agpx99/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/r84tz55zx/myricarubra3.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/r84tz55zx/)

ah so it's called mountain peach in Japanese, good to know
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Rex Begonias on July 19, 2019, 09:42:29 AM
Could these potentially be grafted onto Morella cerifera - Wax myrtle for FL growers?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: camerony on July 30, 2019, 12:21:34 PM
I've located a wholesaler in China that will sell 1-2 year seedlings for $1.99/pc but the minimum order is 500 and shipping is $500.  So, the total cost would be around $1500.00 with a phytosanitary certificate.  Obviously, I don't have a need for 500 plants nor do I want to spent that kind of cash.  But if anyone else does https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-quality-Myrica-Rubra-Waxberry-Tree_60585576333.html (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-quality-Myrica-Rubra-Waxberry-Tree_60585576333.html)

The contact Jun Li responds to email in english.

Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: camerony on July 30, 2019, 12:46:38 PM
Found a listing on Ebay for a live plant Myrica rubra - Red Bayberry - Live Plant https://ebay.us/sSd70U

Looks like someone in Florida.  I'd bid but I'm in California,
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: FV Fruit Freak on August 05, 2019, 12:50:52 AM
Found a listing on Ebay for a live plant Myrica rubra - Red Bayberry - Live Plant https://ebay.us/sSd70U

Looks like someone in Florida.  I'd bid but I'm in California,

Fruit trees can be shipped to Cali from Florida, FYI. You could have bid on that myrica rubra.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: azorean on August 05, 2019, 04:16:08 PM
I wonder if anyone has already tried to graft M. rubra onto M. faya - this is a native species very abundant here in the Azores (zone 10b). I would give it a try here, just need to acquire scions somewhere (and make them get into the EU, maybe the trickiest part of the equation).

T
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: camerony on August 27, 2019, 02:17:49 PM
Found a listing on Ebay for a live plant Myrica rubra - Red Bayberry - Live Plant https://ebay.us/sSd70U

Looks like someone in Florida.  I'd bid but I'm in California,

Fruit trees can be shipped to Cali from Florida, FYI. You could have bid on that myrica rubra.

Good to know, well I wouldn't have paid $175 anyhow.  Wonder if it's someone here that won the auction.
Another plant went for $127.50
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on August 28, 2019, 01:06:15 PM
Wow, that seedling went for $270. Some of you guys are rich for starting these from seed!
Title: Myrica rubra
Post by: CarolinaZone on April 19, 2020, 08:04:22 PM
Hi,
If anyone knows a source fore these I would love to buy some. If someone arranges a group buy I will be willing to purchase some too.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: 850FL on April 19, 2020, 10:21:17 PM
270$.. wow just WOW. LOL. Go to the Walmart website and order some For 10 a pop. That’s where I bought mine at least (last year). They come in lil dinky 1/10 gallon pots though.. I think labeled as ‘bonsai’ but not really. Bought 2 and 1 died, the other is doing just fine under a mulberry tree. Also bought seeds from China but they were old dead bs that never sprouted
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Tropheus76 on April 20, 2020, 09:31:34 AM
Many of us have been hunting these bush/trees for years, if Walmart had true specimens of this online someone would have posted it awhile ago. There are none currently listed on the website to even check and see if its the real thing or. Aside from rare fruit nurseries here and there that sell them for stupidly high prices, no seedlings have made it to the States for commercial sale. I think there have been a few individuals who have bulk ordered seeds and gotten one or two to actually sprout but you rarely hear from them again on the subject since they literally are growing a gold mine.

Never understood why we don't  have these prolific trees here like any other fruiting tree. We can find durian and they are nasty as hell with a super limited range. Hell, I can jump on ebay and find rambutan and they don't even grow them outdoors in FL. But something like the M. Rubra that should have no issues pretty much anywhere in FL, isn't available.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: 850FL on April 20, 2020, 10:16:38 AM
You know what, my bad, I had bought arbutus unedo seedlings not Murcia rubra.. My apologies, similar though..
And yes the arbutus are out of stock anyway..
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Mandarin on July 08, 2020, 06:40:15 PM
I had so much fun reading through all 10 pages of this thread. I am wondering anyone's seedling or imported tree is fruiting?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Mandarin on July 08, 2020, 06:43:12 PM
Here are pair of trees. They've been DNA tested.  ;D


(https://i.postimg.cc/JsdPmfZ9/Screen-Shot-2020-07-08-at-3-42-21-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/JsdPmfZ9)

Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: zzl630 on July 29, 2020, 04:00:40 PM
Here are pair of trees. They've been DNA tested.  ;D


(https://i.postimg.cc/JsdPmfZ9/Screen-Shot-2020-07-08-at-3-42-21-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/JsdPmfZ9)

How did you get the test?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on March 01, 2021, 07:36:01 PM
Looks like my yangmei is finally flowering and it’s a female!

This is a BiQi seedling gifted to me by another forum member (thanks Richard!)


(https://i.postimg.cc/mcZGLF9V/316-ED9-EF-28-A5-4048-B362-F7224-F48-D11-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcZGLF9V)

(https://i.postimg.cc/p90MpXYv/97-DFC1-D9-4174-40-D8-B459-F6-DE98193-CDB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p90MpXYv)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: FV Fruit Freak on March 02, 2021, 10:13:02 PM
Yeaaaaahhhhhh buddddy!!! Congrats Shane!! Great job. Very, very cool. Male tree needed to pollinate right? Maybe start looking for a flowering male M. Californica or M. Caroliniensis.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on March 03, 2021, 12:22:18 PM
Yeaaaaahhhhhh buddddy!!! Congrats Shane!! Great job. Very, very cool. Male tree needed to pollinate right? Maybe start looking for a flowering male M. Californica or M. Caroliniensis.

Thanks :) I've been telling my family and friends but their eyes glaze over.

Yes, I guess is should find a male. I know a nursery that has M. Californica. Will check them out.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: beicadad on March 03, 2021, 11:48:04 PM
Yeaaaaahhhhhh buddddy!!! Congrats Shane!! Great job. Very, very cool. Male tree needed to pollinate right? Maybe start looking for a flowering male M. Californica or M. Caroliniensis.

Thanks :) I've been telling my family and friends but their eyes glaze over.

Yes, I guess is should find a male. I know a nursery that has M. Californica. Will check them out.

Hi Shane, super nice! I have a spare M. Californica if you need it. it's in a 5G pot that you can pick up for free (SD).
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on March 04, 2021, 12:00:54 AM
Thanks!  Is it a flowering male?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: beicadad on March 04, 2021, 12:32:59 AM
Thanks!  Is it a flowering male?

No it's still small (2 ft tall) and there is no flower yet. are you sure that it can pollinate Yangmei?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: shaneatwell on March 05, 2021, 11:56:24 AM
I don't know. I'd be surprised if it could.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: simon_grow on April 28, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
Looks like my yangmei is finally flowering and it’s a female!

This is a BiQi seedling gifted to me by another forum member (thanks Richard!)


(https://i.postimg.cc/mcZGLF9V/316-ED9-EF-28-A5-4048-B362-F7224-F48-D11-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcZGLF9V)

(https://i.postimg.cc/p90MpXYv/97-DFC1-D9-4174-40-D8-B459-F6-DE98193-CDB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p90MpXYv)

Congratulations Shane,

Since it’s a seedling, there’s a chance it could also produce male flowers since the real Biqi is supposed to produce both flowers if I recall correctly. Please keep us updated!

Simon
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fyliu on May 02, 2021, 03:33:47 PM
Exciting to see seedlings starting to produce. Pretty soon we’ll be able to trade these.

DongKui is the one that’s supposed to also produce male flowers, but I never see any on mine.
I’ve seen male cerifera and californica male fruits though.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: RevivalR00ts on March 11, 2022, 05:00:55 PM
Looks like my yangmei is finally flowering and it’s a female!

This is a BiQi seedling gifted to me by another forum member (thanks Richard!)


(https://i.postimg.cc/mcZGLF9V/316-ED9-EF-28-A5-4048-B362-F7224-F48-D11-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcZGLF9V)

(https://i.postimg.cc/p90MpXYv/97-DFC1-D9-4174-40-D8-B459-F6-DE98193-CDB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p90MpXYv)

Wow! very nice, how is this doing? any sign of both sexes? How old is it? It looks like it is in the ground, yes?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Seeds of Malta on February 10, 2023, 08:02:18 AM
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Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: Reedo on February 10, 2023, 09:44:22 PM
Looks like my yangmei is finally flowering and it’s a female!

This is a BiQi seedling gifted to me by another forum member (thanks Richard!)


(https://i.postimg.cc/mcZGLF9V/316-ED9-EF-28-A5-4048-B362-F7224-F48-D11-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcZGLF9V)

(https://i.postimg.cc/p90MpXYv/97-DFC1-D9-4174-40-D8-B459-F6-DE98193-CDB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p90MpXYv)

Congratulations on the flowers! At which age did your plant start flowering?
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: fliptop on February 13, 2023, 07:28:35 PM
Just got this seed packet from trade winds. They recommend cold stratification by first placing in the fridge for 8-12 weeks, then toss in the garbage 'cause it ain't gonna work. Just kitten 😹 they say to then sow and if nothing happens after several weeks, toss 'em back in the fridge, pour a Scotch on the Rocks, and start over again. Sounds reasonable?
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/ct0s91xt/IMG-20230213-173819373-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ct0s91xt)
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: K-Rimes on February 13, 2023, 08:49:35 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/tsVhjKLN/E90-C295-F-790-E-4191-9-EC5-F97-B02-A711-D7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsVhjKLN)

My calmei are coming up pretty nicely. Lost probably 5-10 sprouts to a rat but luckily had more to still pop. I didn’t do anything special just put seeds into soil. Didn’t even clean them honestly.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: nattyfroootz on February 13, 2023, 11:19:32 PM
I've got some seeds coming up in my usual style of sprouting subtropicals. Sealed tupperware on heatmat with moist coco coir.  Surprised I didn't need any cold stratification, but only a couple germinants so far.
Title: Re: Myrica rubra
Post by: K-Rimes on February 14, 2023, 01:23:32 PM
I've got some seeds coming up in my usual style of sprouting subtropicals. Sealed tupperware on heatmat with moist coco coir.  Surprised I didn't need any cold stratification, but only a couple germinants so far.

I didn't see a sign of life at all from July-ish or whenever you sent me the fruit till around January. The roots are super stout if you pull one up.