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After three years from seeds, here are the results grown in pot culture( i stole adam assafron pot culture idea. ;D














At this time I like to apologize to those forum members through the years for making fun of you guys for growing sniper hedges Surinam Cherry.. I have finally taste a Suriname cherry black star so sweet & tasty remind me of an Odessa wine.  A friend in Hawaii gave me some seeds & told me its the best.  I put some in airpot & regular pot & growth were even with no advantage noted for using airpot on surinam cherry. & first flower in January, today after taking a photo for Omar of Malay apple, I caught wind of a black fruit in a sea of green.  If my next one taste as good as the first one, I am going to Samurai all my ixora hedges in front of house & replaced it with this absolute wonderful fruit without an HOA landscape permit bullshit; this fruit taste that good, I felt like I have found a new religion, I am now converted to champion this maligned free range often found in office complex landscapes & escape plants where I go fishing for snakeheads. :-X

Dear David S. if you reading this post, I apologize for roundup-ing your red surinam hedges five years ago, not the HOA landscaper that got you upset. They were awful bad & you did agree with me its resinous turpentine were attracting nothing buts ants & idiots. Give me a call Monday so you can stop over & sample the black surinam cherries, I have five potted black star surinam plants ready to replace the dead one I covertly kill on your confused yard, by now the roundup should be gone after five years.  I am deeply sorry I hate all the bad cultivars you get for free at the Palm Beach RFC that no one want to take home & I resorted to plant terrorism to improve the fruitiness of our gated neighboorhood.  :-\

 I am sorry; lets reset our friendship and end this cold war.  By the way that giant 40 feet  podocarpus macrophyllus is not a real fruit tree, you want me to help you chainsaw it. My Husquavarna Rancher 24 inch blade is itching for a singing audition?  :)
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2014, 05:40:25 PM »
thanks for sharing!

LOL...u didn't steal my idea....it wasn't mine to begin with.

glad to hear you have a tasty one.

So far the best one I've tasted is the Zill Black.....reminds me of a welchs grape juice...(has the tiniest almost undetectable taste of resin....some will say they taste it, some won't)

the black beauty has been a good fruit, but somewhat bland, and slightly resinous...Maybe this is because I've only had off season fruits? and i always seem to pick them a day too early...

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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2014, 09:03:46 PM »
What do you think about the origin of this?
Perhaps Hawaiian friends pollinated Pitanga flowers with pollen of Grumichama (E. brasiliensis) or Cambiu (E. candolleana)?
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2014, 11:22:39 AM »
Is there a source for Zill Black, or will I need to graft it?
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2014, 12:12:04 PM »
Is there a source for Zill Black, or will I need to graft it?

Careful...there are some people selling zill black who have a version that has drifted from the original...its just not as good as the real mccoy.
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2014, 01:24:28 PM »
Is there a source for Zill Black, or will I need to graft it?

Zill HPP
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2014, 03:44:04 PM »
Is there a source for Zill Black, or will I need to graft it?

Zill HPP

they don't have grafted plants...I just asked for some a week ago.

also not sure if they are propagating the original one.
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2014, 05:28:19 PM »
Hmmm, thought they did.  I believe Excalibur has some.  Just actually ate a bunch off of some very large ones the other day.  I believe they had some 3 gallon.

Is there a source for Zill Black, or will I need to graft it?

Zill HPP

they don't have grafted plants...I just asked for some a week ago.

also not sure if they are propagating the original one.
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2014, 06:05:32 PM »
Hmmm, thought they did.  I believe Excalibur has some.  Just actually ate a bunch off of some very large ones the other day.  I believe they had some 3 gallon.

Is there a source for Zill Black, or will I need to graft it?

Zill HPP

they don't have grafted plants...I just asked for some a week ago.

also not sure if they are propagating the original one.

they got em grafted? if so how much?
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2014, 07:16:54 PM »
Is there a source for Zill Black, or will I need to graft it?

Zill HPP

they don't have grafted plants...I just asked for some a week ago.

also not sure if they are propagating the original one.

Adam, All credits for my new addiction for black surinam fall on you, your unabashed advocation & tireless philandering for them convince this snooty Sith-breeder/collector to go on a breeding quest.  Adam do you have the original Zill's black surinam cherry tree? The folks that is selling  Zill's pretender trees, are these the original seedling of Zill black surinam cherry or something else. Is Zill fruit the size of a dime, a nickel or a quarter size?  Must be disease vigor issues or something Zill's choose not to make it available to the public.

 Never the less the delicious no resin black star surinam seedling fruit was Un American small, so I plan on this year to seek out for larger black fruit variety to breed; I am looking for superior Black or Red to cross it to a kissing cousin pitangatuba  Eugenia neonitida who has a larger but tart fruit. Oscar's pitangatuba is just starting to sprout, so give me some time to hunt for a larger strain of surinam to cross with Oscar's pitangatuba three years from now; hopefully we will produce a new hybrid call Adamgatuba in honor of you championing this fruit when other treated it as a plaque of landscape, including this Sith at one point.

Excalibur I believe are the black beauty variety Adam, sweet bland, my hawaiian small black taste better with no resin like a fine Odessa wine than Richard's.  But if Excalibur is hiding it in their VIP section, I will dispatch my Shinobi this weekend BSbullie for their capture, thank for the intelligent you guys!!! ;)
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2014, 07:28:09 PM »
Coconut,

I'm glad to have inspired you!

Yes I have the original Zill Black...I got scions from a friend who told me the story about how the original one is harder to find nowadays.

Unfortunately my trees are too small to take scions from (I have a pair in 3 gal pots), but I will be sure to post on the "for sale"section of the forum, if I'm able to get more scions from the mother tree.

The fruits were medium sized, not large or small.

As for a hybrid between E. uniflora and E. neonitida...i don't think that's possible...or they would have hybridized a long time ago in Brazil...I think the Pitangatuba is more closely related to the Uvalha than a surniam cherry...but this is just my opinion...I could be wrong about all of this....and it would be great to one day see the Adamgatuba...especially if it could be hybridized the old fashioned way, without having to create it in a lab.

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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2014, 08:52:12 PM »
Adam - i confirmed they are Zill Black and they are grafted.  Prices are standard grated plant pricing.
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2014, 08:55:55 PM »
Congrats Coconut! I will have to get this variety too, I have a very nice one, look:

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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2014, 10:06:33 PM »
I am glad you find its mysterious flavor intoxicating!!
Lets search for a larger fruit size in its native homeland & see if we can not improve upon it. ;D
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2014, 11:57:22 PM »
Coconut: I have several seedlings, some of them are from black fruits, for instance, from this ones:




...seem to be bigger than ones from the planted in grownd that I tried.

more: http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/pitanga_negra_preta_black_IMG_3245.jpg

http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/pitangas_negra_roja_IMG_3147.jpg
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2014, 01:09:46 AM »
Congratulations Coconut!! Another one for my ever extending list.    :D
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2014, 09:44:29 AM »
Confused.. is the concensus that the seeds don't come true or what?  A kind member mailed me seeds of Zill's black a while back, and wondering whether I'll need to graft them? 

Coconut, your Surinam cherry looks yummy, but where's the pic of the Macapuno? lol
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2014, 10:52:59 AM »
Adam - i confirmed they are Zill Black and they are grafted.  Prices are standard grated plant pricing.
Don't sell retail :( Didn't bother asking if they ship to CA.

Anyone in California have it?
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2014, 01:38:27 PM »
Confused.. is the concensus that the seeds don't come true or what?  A kind member mailed me seeds of Zill's black a while back, and wondering whether I'll need to graft them? 


Yes, there could be some variations, but it's better to grow a seed from a good fruit.

A black e. uniflora seed has a 80% chance of producing a black fruit, the other 20% will be orange or red.

So perhaps it is best to plant 3 or 4, then surely at least one should be black, and normaly 3 of 4 would be black.
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2014, 03:40:56 PM »
I will see if my black seedlings will be all black or a red fruit strain snuck into the bloodline.  So that MontosoGarden have the large 'lorver' large than a quarter, wonder how this giant red variety taste??

.http://www.montosogardens.com/eugenia_uniflora_giant_pitanga.htm
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2014, 11:41:37 AM »


It looks great!
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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2014, 12:09:01 PM »


It looks great!
It's sooo beautifull!!!  :P :P :P

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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2014, 01:13:56 PM »
Adam - i confirmed they are Zill Black and they are grafted.  Prices are standard grated plant pricing.
Don't sell retail :( Didn't bother asking if they ship to CA.

Anyone in California have it?
I have a grafted "black star". It tastes great. Plus I have a bunch of other seedlings that are getting close to fruit.

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Re: Eugenia uniflora surinam cherry blackstar fruited first time Boca
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2014, 04:02:11 PM »
Look great Marklee your grafted black star fruit; look like my black star seedlings, good to know they come true to the parent & taste is great.  I am going to get a grafted Zill & see if the fruit are any better than my black star seedling.
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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2014, 07:06:57 PM »
huertasbananas: thanks for the information.