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I'd keep the ideas of succession and mimicking a natural ecosystem that a food forest has but I would use straight rows, north to south if possible, to maximise sunlight. Think about access and future machinery between rows. You probably will not want an understory directly underneath the macadamia as it would make harvesting difficult. Quick fruiting crops like Papaya, Pineapple, Bananas could be planted between trees until they fill out. You could look up Syntropic farming, It's a form of ecological agroforestry from brazil. Goodluck with your project.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Terra preta or what i do with branches
« on: August 25, 2019, 05:54:33 PM »
I've been making charcoal in pits here with bamboo too. This is old culms that have died in place from this property being abandoned for last 40 years.

The bamboo burns so well. I think it may make charcoal easier than other materials?


Last year I removed several clumps of timber bamboo, loaded it on a trailer and offered it to give away but got no takers. Eventually it dried well and I dug a trench wider at the top than the bottom with my tractor front-end loader and as long as the longest pieces.
I started some on fire at the bottom and then began piling the bamboo on as fast as possible. It did expode frequently but within an hour it had all turned to coals and I quenched it with a large fire hose. The next day I removed then crushed the charcoal by driving over it on a concrete slab until it was fine grains or powder. The result was 300 gallons of fine biochar, enough for about 100 trees.
I did soak the char in fish emulsion with micronutrients then added it to a large compost pile for a month.

The key to making charcoal in an open pit is to get the fuel hot enough to create combustible vapors but keep the fire up above the pit which limits oxygen near the bottom of the pit. Without oxygen the fuel down low is less liable to burn into ashes.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: August 25, 2019, 05:24:39 AM »
I should have been more clear. I have a cutting of a root sucker with leaves and roots coming off a mature plant. I'm pretty sure that is what it is unless it was a buried low branch. Either way it has roots and leaves. It is only a few days old. I read that cuttings do not wilt for a long time and sometimes flush growth without growing roots so I guess I will be waiting a while to find out if it worked.

I have a large Sabara Jaboticaba plant apparently grown from a cutting, but I didn't do it myself so I cant say 100%. However I have talked to FlyingFoxFruits a lot and I was told Jaboticabas can be rooted from cuttings but that they are difficult and even he has had trouble.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: August 24, 2019, 04:07:32 AM »
Has anyone grown sabara from root cutting? I have a fresh cutting from a mature tree. What is the expected time for a grafted sabara to fruit?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: August 23, 2019, 09:01:27 AM »
"A team of University of Florida biologists found, for example, that it was almost impossible to establish the Brazilian pepper in an undisturbed forest."

Humans have damaged the landscape so much.


Come drive around south Florida where Brazilian pepper and paper bark trees are crowding out almost EVERYTHING!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold hardy australian plants
« on: August 23, 2019, 08:38:05 AM »
Look up where there is snow and a national park then check for list of flora. Here is an example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Buffalo_National_Park#Vegetation. You will unlikely find a list of zone or cold hardiness and will have to further research the climate of the location.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: August 22, 2019, 09:07:29 AM »

There may be more about the interactions of Moringa, bacteria and fungi that we have yet to discover.  In any case, leaf litter from the tree will decay and the proteins will revert to nitrogen in the soil.

Interesting stuff. I just thought you were thinking Moringa was a legume with nitrogen nodulation. I'ts true any organic matter's nitrogen will feed the soil. Tithonia diversifolia is another fast growing fast rotting plant that makes great fertiliser.

I would like to set up some small ibc ponds just for growing duckweed.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: August 20, 2019, 07:59:21 AM »
Covering an area of grass with silage tarp or ex billboard vinyl material can work very well. You can also put all kinds of compost and inputs to prepare the soil at the same time. For some grasses it can be a long wait for them to properly rot down. Once the grass is dead and the tarp is removed a thick layer of mulch can replace the tarp.

Another method for less persistent grasses is to lay a thick layer of cardboard then put a growing medium like compost and soil over the top, put desired plants in then heavily mulch. 

I agree we shouldn't be dogmatic about the use of any chemicals. Context is key and the constant tillage and constant application of herbicides, fungicides and pesticides are the real issue. I have no doubt that nature goes straight back to doing what it does after an application of glyphosate.



Bottom line is that if we want to promote better ways of farming we need to understand exactly what we are talking about and not oversell. I know of more than one person in my area who tried to plant fruit trees without removing the torpedo grass first. It is growing right up to the tree trunk & they are steadily mowing and got far poorer results than I did by removing the grass and starting fresh. I can show very good nodulation on many of the legumes I have planted even though I used about 4 applications of glyphosate, some slow release fertilizers and micronutrients. This should be my last year using the chemical fertilizer. I am setting up a large scale vermicomposting system fed by homegrown biomass, and will be continuing to make fish emulsion for other minerals not available in my soil.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: August 19, 2019, 01:14:04 AM »
Casuarina (Australian pine) and other members of Casuarinaceae are known to fix nitrogen although i'm not sure how well the coppice and some are thought to have allelopathic effects although i'm not sure how to true that is. Some species do make good wood also.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: August 19, 2019, 01:06:52 AM »
Mokeyfish Moringa does not fix nitrogen

One useful tree not yet mentioned is Moringa, supplying not just nitrogen but food for humans too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: August 18, 2019, 03:46:08 AM »
A lot of people here are actually crazy religious about native only plants. They will poison anything that is not native to a region. The brazillian pepper tree is a pioneer species. It's berries are liked by birds and mammals. It creates thickets in disturbed sites. The birds come in a eat the berries, they spread the seed of other trees. Some of those seeds will be overstory species that could live for hundreds of years, they eventually grow and overtake the brazilian pepper trees that only live for a short time.

I also don't like thickets of a single species but I think people are a little crazy about preserving how things used to be when nature is changing and adapting all the time. I think most introduced plants have a positive impact on the natural system long term but I won't deny some have a negative impact. The African Tulip tree that grows everywhere around here has flowers that poison the native bees.


I will have to check that out,  a lot of people preach about "The New Wild.  " There are a lot of people that get weird almost religious when they start talking about how invasives are like some misunderstood salvation.   I will also say,  on the other side,  there are a lot of minimally impactful invasives that people yell about which just arent in the same league as some of the ones you named like Brazilian Pepper and Melaleuca.

Personally,  I would rather see a native hardwood hammock with all the diversity of native plants and animals than a forest of Brazilian pepper.   Sure,  bees will make use of Brazilian pepper,  but if you think those support a biodiverse ecosystem,  well,  thats just plain silly.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: August 17, 2019, 06:44:04 AM »
Pokeweed and SeaWalnut have you tried googling temperate nitrogen fixers? This list is top result http://tcpermaculture.blogspot.com/2011/05/plants-nitrogen-fixers.html although a walk into your local wilderness identifying trees should introduce you to some that will grow with no attention in your area. Alder, Locust and Russian Olive seem to be popular choices for temperate climates.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: August 17, 2019, 05:41:09 AM »
I find invasive species a bit nonsensical. Pioneer species generally start the succession towards a forest on damaged or bare land. Eventually they make way for longer living taller growing climax species. Biodiversity is improved with all the different species that have made there way around the world in recent times and they are greatly trying to fix all the damage humans are doing.

So many nitrogen fixers are serious invasives



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: August 16, 2019, 06:46:25 PM »
Nitrogen fixers make great nurse trees, longer term mulch trees, ground covers and some of the most beautiful flowers. Something to keep in mind is that not all leguminous plants have the ability to fix nitrogen although it seems most do. Also sometimes the right microbes are not present in the soil to create the exchange with the plant.

I'm using Pinto Peanut, Pigeon Pea, Leucaena, Sesbania, Senna, Inga and Acacia. Looking to add Gliricidia and Flemingia.

Some showy flower species Jade Vine (Strongylodon macrobotrys) , Saraca cauliflora, Cassia javanica, Pride of Burma (Amherstia nobilis)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Loquat in tropics
« on: August 07, 2019, 07:07:09 AM »
Will Loquat do ok in tropics? Will the fruit be of lesser quality? What are there factors of chill, humidity, water or heat that will effect the chances of fruiting this subtropical? Trying to read up on it but not getting anything clear so thought I would ask here

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First safou harvest
« on: August 06, 2019, 05:51:29 AM »
Just checked my email and the seller says that they have a single safou that bears well. I know they live rural and I doubt there would be another one anywhere close to them. Can you tell which of your trees are male and female Peter?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First safou harvest
« on: August 06, 2019, 05:38:41 AM »
They are from the same family would be interesting to compare they both have similar taste descriptions

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Flower is beautiful on this tree. Will be very hard for you to clean and ship those tiny seeds.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifI9Lvtg7cY

Another look at this fruit probably from the same source

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First safou harvest
« on: August 05, 2019, 06:00:22 PM »
Hi Peter

Is the taste similar to Dabai?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First safou harvest
« on: August 03, 2019, 12:26:59 AM »
When I asked today the seller told me I only needed one but there was also only one there.. I'm planning to get some more regardless. But I will enquire about it because I think the seller was thinking of a tree that produced by itself.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First safou harvest
« on: August 02, 2019, 11:23:06 PM »
What are you thoughts on if they are dioecious? I just bought a single sapling today and I think i'm going to have to find it some friends.

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Plant them in those boxes and then start working on removing all that concrete and fixing the soil

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A Fascination with Fatty Fruits
« on: March 10, 2019, 06:36:13 PM »
Grias Peruviana (Sachamangua) is related to Gustavia and Brazil nuts.

"The mesocarp of the large single-seeded fruit is eaten raw. Soaking it in water softens the mesocarp to an agreeable texture. It is sold as a snack on the streets of Iquitos. The fruit can also be roasted, which softens the mesocarp into a butter-like texture."

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