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Citrus => Citrus General Discussion => Topic started by: johnvpr on August 03, 2020, 11:45:02 AM
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Hello, All,
I am wondering which are your favorite and most Delicious and tastier Citrus.
John
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If I'm correct, one's a lemon, and the other is a blood orange.
I wouldn't directly compare the two as I don't interchange them for usage.
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Sorry I was not clear :)
which are your favorite and most Delicious and tastier Citrus.
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Mandarins - satsumas, gold series and numerous others.
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Kishu....by all means.
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Xie Shan
Cara Cara
Dekopon
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Miyagawa Satsuma
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Xie Shan
Cara Cara
Hello Millet how are you? I thought it was dekopon... ;)
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Xie Shan over dekopon?
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Definatly Meiwa kumquat and New Zealand lemonade. They are the only 2 that produced fruit. I am waiting for the others to fruit. We will see after that which is my f[avorite citrus.
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I'm growing all my favorites :)
Moro
Cara Cara
Xie Shan
Dekopon
Miyagawa
Okitsu Wase
Lee x Nova
Owari
Kishu
Honey
Page
Tango
Pixie
Gold Nugget
Tahoe Gold
Shasta Gold
Yosemite Gold
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Containerman I see you are growing the complete Gold series. In general do all of them taste about the same or does one stand out.
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Containerman I see you are growing the complete Gold series. In general do all of them taste about the same or does one stand out.
This year will be my first season with fruit from my Yosemite and Shasta. The Tahoe is a nice blend of sweet and slight tart flavor. The Gold Nugget is sweeter than the tahoe.
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I have the Tahoe, Nugget, and the Shasta. I need the Yosemite to fill out the series.
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Millet do you taste a significant difference between Tahoe, Shasta, and Golden Nuggets?
I will likely settle on only one or two mandarins. Right now I already have Xie Shan, Tango and Sumo/Shiranui/Deokopan in-ground in my greenhouse, so one of them will have to go at some point, and I'm certainly willing to replace any with a better variety. I have kishu, owari, shasta gold, page growing in containers as possible candidates. Waiting to try more fruit before I decide.
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For me the number one is Kinnow, super taste and ripe fruit keeps quality on tree for a long time.
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I agree with many growers that Kishu is a good tasting citrus. However. the fruit is so small that one has to eat 3 at a time. I tossed my Kishu out and replaced it with Gold Nugget.
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You made a mistake there Millet. I have grown all the gold varieties & they are OK at best.
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Agree with Millet, Kishu is too small that i usually give it away for kids.
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Since I have 4 grandchildren that live near me I'm keeping my Kishu since they love them. :)
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contai nerman, small kids really love Kishu.
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I like the following
Murcott
Nova (Clemenvilla)
Gold Nugget
Orri
Kishu mini
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OMG!
so many! :D, I am wondering how can I taste them all :). I maybe can order the fruit online?
John
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Owari Satsuma
Kevin Jones
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Owari is very good. First mandarin I've grown and so far still my favorite of the ones I've grown myself. I like the tartness.
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Ponkan, nice firm flesh & super sweet with a zipper skin.
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Ponkan, nice firm flesh & super sweet with a zipper skin.
A question about Ponkan: generally, are there good amount seeds in the fruits?
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No, not many at all
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I have an in ground Ponkan tree. It is heavily alternate bearing, This year it is in its off year, with zero fruit. During the on year it is a heavy producer. Seed per fruit normally between 4 to 8.
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I'm in Orange County, and i have a large grafted Ponkan. It has many fruits (probably more than any of my others) every year and 90% of the fruits have no seeds. Taste is very good. I have about 50 fruits (still green, size of golfballs) on the branches now. This is an 8yr old branch.
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I added a poll, feel free to add your vote there :)
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About the poll list, some of these are not that common in Australia, more so the mandarins
so I cant comment on a lot.
My list of types, not in order of preference is
Imperial mandarin, the classic Australian type sweet but tart /sharp
Navel orange, hard to walk past fresh juice
Dekopon, its great, mild, but so are others
Batangas mandarin, great honey flavor
Arnold Blood, a Moro seedling, fruit variable from mid blood to dark blood on the same tree
Sudachi
Wekiwa tangelo, perfect combo of sweet grapefruit flavor
Cara Cara orange, perfection ???
Sanbokan, I think it outdoes NZ lemonade
Key or West Indian Lime
The list is sort of based on if you take Orange and Mandarin as the classic Citrus eating types,
then where would you go next for something great but rather different .
Basically, these ones really impressed.
Just a quick list, many others could be added
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SC400, are you sure your tree is a Ponkan. It would be most rare to eat a Ponkan that is seedless. In my case, I have never found a seedless Ponkan. However, I would rate Ponkan as a good tasting fruit. It is worth growing the tree.
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Ponkan was the mostly slightly less than Dekopon in Japan. Now they have two or three new ones better than Dekopon, which are not in CCPP bud list.
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Millet,
I'm pretty sure it is a Ponkan since I still have my tag on the branch (VI-311). This was one of my first budwood purchase from the UCR CCPP budwood program. My fruits taste and looks like the photo in the variety data sheet, and the branches grow vertical as it is described.
I will need to take some photos of my fruits when it ripens and cut 10 fruits to check the number of seeds in them. I remember this grafted branch (now over 10ft tall) had fruits that was ok in taste the first 3-4 yrs, but after that the taste has been very good/excellent and it has consistent production yearly.
(https://i.postimg.cc/y3Bb3MXn/VI-311.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/y3Bb3MXn)
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SC400 you say your tree is a consistent producer every year. Then that brings up another point. Ponkan is a alternate producing tree.. This is an off year for my in ground Ponkan, and it does not have a single fruit on the entire tree.
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Alternate producing does not mean you will not get any fruit on off years, it just means the production will be lower. Mine produces fruit every year. Off years I see less production, but still produces enough for me.
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Alternate producing does not mean you will not get any fruit on off years, it just means the production will be lower. Mine produces fruit every year. Off years I see less production, but still produces enough for me.
If I only had a few mandarins then alternate bearing would be an issue. But since I have 16 varieties of mandarins I'm not worried about a variety that tastes great but only bears heavily every other year.
:)
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Laaz I realize what you write about alternate bearing. I'm just saying my Ponkan tree does not have a single fruit this off year. The tree itself is a nice looking healthy tree, just without fruit. Next year the tree will be full, or even over full. I will adjust the fruit load then.
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Got hooked on Owari Satsuma when a school roommate returned with a case after visiting their home/farm in Visalia back in the 80s. Seems harder to find now with all the other types being sold. I think everyone in my family, along with wife's side, has at least one tree. The ones from the valley seem to taste better.
Owari is very good. First mandarin I've grown and so far still my favorite of the ones I've grown myself. I like the tartness.
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I was wondering where to order these Citrus Trees in the US?
Thank you!
John
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I like the Okitsu Wase better than the Owari satsuma.
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JohnVPR start here.... https://www.fourwindsgrowers.com/ (https://www.fourwindsgrowers.com/)
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Millet,
I also have a grafted dekopon branch (from 2017) which fruits every year. It is not that large yet, only a 2-3ft long branches but it gets about a dozen fruits for the last 2 years. The new dekopon scions I grafted in 2019 also have full size fruits as well.
I like the dekopon/sumo the best of all the mandarins. My fruits ripens in Dec-Jan here in Calif.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PC51XLZ9/My-Sumo-8-29-20-grafted-2017-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PC51XLZ9)
(https://i.postimg.cc/FYC379VR/My-Sumo-8-29-20-grafted-2017-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYC379VR)
(https://i.postimg.cc/d77dCz59/My-Sumo-8-29-20-grafted-2019.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/d77dCz59)
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Millet,
I also have a grafted dekopon branch (from 2017) which fruits every year. It is not that large yet, only a 2-3ft long branches but it gets about a dozen fruits for the last 2 years. The new dekopon scions I grafted in 2019 also have full size fruits as well.
I like the dekopon/sumo the best of all the mandarins. My fruits ripens in Dec-Jan here in Calif.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PC51XLZ9/My-Sumo-8-29-20-grafted-2017-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PC51XLZ9)
(https://i.postimg.cc/FYC379VR/My-Sumo-8-29-20-grafted-2017-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYC379VR)
(https://i.postimg.cc/d77dCz59/My-Sumo-8-29-20-grafted-2019.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/d77dCz59)
Good to know as my tree has 3 fruit on it this year and I'm north of you in the Central Valley.
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I bought a couple of Murcott tangerine and tasted them. The thin skin can be peeled. It tastes reasonable sweet with no seeds. However, for the taste and flavor, I would much prefer Satsuma and Sumo.
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I was wondering where to order these Citrus Trees in the US?
Thank you!
John
John I'm in the Central Valley and can find them at places like Costco in spring, Home Depot and Lowes. The Bay Area has some good nurseries where you should be able to find some nice varieties of citrus. I would call some near you and see what they have in their inventory.
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Millet, here's a follow up on my Ponkan. They are all turning orange now so I thought about checking 10 fruits to see how many seeds each fruit has.
First let me say my Ponkan still seems to get many fruits every year, so not alternate bearing on my tree (see attached photo of the fruits on the tree now).
Second, you were correct about my statement of "no seeds", it does have some seeds. The average seeds I counted from the 10 fruits were 6. I only ate one fruit that did not have any seeds so far.
Since I had so many fruits cut at one time, I juiced them and now have some ponkan juice to drink. It is very good and definitely better than orange juice to me.
Here's the photos from today.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0rzHtQb5/Ponkan-p1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rzHtQb5)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4YgLNQwn/Ponkan-p2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YgLNQwn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MXg3gSQ7/Ponkan-p3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MXg3gSQ7)
(https://i.postimg.cc/mtMps5Y0/Ponkan-p4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mtMps5Y0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/v18058Js/Ponkan-p5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v18058Js)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ph4kNfpW/Ponkan-p6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ph4kNfpW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/5XSPHQkg/Ponkan-p7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5XSPHQkg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/qhzQZbBD/Ponkan-p8-tree.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qhzQZbBD)
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sc4001992
I often read that some citrus, like clementine, can produce seedless fruits when cross pollination with other varieties is avoided. Would this happen to Ponkan?
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Today, I tried my clementine fruit. It is much sweeter than Owari, with a rich flavor but not spicy or tangy. I personally prefer clementine more than Owari but the clementine is hard to manage.
1, It often is alternative, some year just no flower, or flowers with no fruit.
2, If it gets cross pollinated, it produces fruits with odd flavors with different shape, skin, and a lot of seeds. One year, the seeds look just like those in pomelo. Now, I use net in spring time to prevent bees to cross pollination.
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SC4001992. your Ponkan mandarins are indeed seedless fruits. You wrote that your Ponkan mandarins each had about 6 seeds. By USDA regulations any citrus that contains 6 seeds or less can be legally marketed as a seedless fruit.
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So at Thanksgiving we did a taste testing with 4 varieties and the hands down winner was the Okitsu followed by the Owari then kishu and last was the miyagawa. This was the first season for both the okitsu and miyagawa fruiting. So thats a great sign for the Okitsu as it was the clear winner for everyone who tried it which was 12 people.
New Years I will be tasting an early picked Dekopon, Early picked Tango, Tahoe Gold, Cara Cara and Honey,
Then in Spring it will be all the golds- tahoe, shasta and nugget (no fruit this year on yosemite - will fruit this spring) and tango.
Next season I will be adding to the taste testing Yosemite, Moro, Xie Shan, Lee x Nova,
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Millet, ok thanks for that info.
Containerman, good to know that Okitsu wase is one of the better tasting ones in your taste taste. I will need to get a some Okitsu wase scions again and try it on my tree, maybe I got rid of my grafts too soon.
Looks like we have similar mandarin varieties, will be interesting to see how your taste test goes in spring. My Cara Cara oranges are ripe (see photo) so I have been eating them and they are good. Dekopon is already yellow/orange but I will wait until first week of Feb to pick most of them (sweetest time here). I did not care for the Tahoe (average taste) so got rid of my tree, but the Gold Nugget is good but make sure to let it get fully ripe.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QVzHygnt/Cara-Cara2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QVzHygnt)
(https://i.postimg.cc/bs2scGKR/Cara-Cara3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bs2scGKR)
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OMG!
so many! :D, I am wondering how can I taste them all :). I maybe can order the fruit online?
John
You can! Check out https://www.halegroves.com/ (https://www.halegroves.com/) or https://www.pittmandavis.com/. (https://www.pittmandavis.com/.) You can also buy your own citrus tree here https://www.citrus.com/ (https://www.citrus.com/)!
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Satsuma (from an old mature tree), Kishu, Minneola tangelo, Shasta Gold, Page, in that order.
Kishu tastes very similar to Satsuma, and I would say Kishu is a close second, almost tying with Satsuma for first place. Satsuma can be very variable in fruit quality and flavor however. You need to get a very fresh picked fruit from an old tree to really be able to appreciate how good the flavor of Satsuma can be. I find all the different varieties of Satsuma to taste very similar. A Satsuma fruit that is not such good quality can taste not as good as all the varieties listed.
Shasta Gold and Page each have a very different type of flavor from Satsuma. Page has a flavor more reminiscent of Minnealo tangelo but more orange and pine needle fragrance.
This list does not include grapefruits and lemons. Valencia oranges can also be very good, but it is hard to rank them and compare them to the other varieties here, since they all have different flavors.
I have also had the opportunity to taste Lee x Nova, and it is very good, better than most other mandarin varieties, but still at least in my personal opinion not quite as good as the varieties here that are listed. But this could be very much a matter of individual preference. (It has, what I would call, a "standard type of mandarin flavor", which is not the same as Satsuma or these other varieties I have listed)
I've tasted both Lee and Nova, and can tell you Lee x Nova is an improvement over its parents.
I have tasted Dekopon, and they are good to snack on, very sweet, but I personally find their flavor to be too "rich", and strangely it doesn't feel like it digests as well for me. I perceive a very subtle mango flavor in Dekopon as well. This is probably very much a matter of individual personal preference.
Probably much better than most mandarin varieties, but I personally would not put it on my favorite list. The flavor is somewhere between a standard mandarin and an orange.
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My favorite varieties of oranges: Tarocco (TDV, Ippolito, Rosso). They have a soft, tender flesh and low acidity.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XZJHY452/IMG-20210224-174635.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XZJHY452)
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So at Thanksgiving we did a taste testing with 4 varieties and the hands down winner was the Okitsu followed by the Owari then kishu and last was the miyagawa. This was the first season for both the okitsu and miyagawa fruiting. So thats a great sign for the Okitsu as it was the clear winner for everyone who tried it which was 12 people.
New Years I will be tasting an early picked Dekopon, Early picked Tango, Tahoe Gold, Cara Cara and Honey,
Then in Spring it will be all the golds- tahoe, shasta and nugget (no fruit this year on yosemite - will fruit this spring) and tango.
Next season I will be adding to the taste testing Yosemite, Moro, Xie Shan, Lee x Nova,
How were your taste testing Yosemite, Moro, Xie Shan, Lee x Nova?
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So at Thanksgiving we did a taste testing with 4 varieties and the hands down winner was the Okitsu followed by the Owari then kishu and last was the miyagawa. This was the first season for both the okitsu and miyagawa fruiting. So thats a great sign for the Okitsu as it was the clear winner for everyone who tried it which was 12 people.
New Years I will be tasting an early picked Dekopon, Early picked Tango, Tahoe Gold, Cara Cara and Honey,
Then in Spring it will be all the golds- tahoe, shasta and nugget (no fruit this year on yosemite - will fruit this spring) and tango.
Next season I will be adding to the taste testing Yosemite, Moro, Xie Shan, Lee x Nova,
How were your taste testing Yosemite, Moro, Xie Shan, Lee x Nova?
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So at Thanksgiving we did a taste testing with 4 varieties and the hands down winner was the Okitsu followed by the Owari then kishu and last was the miyagawa. This was the first season for both the okitsu and miyagawa fruiting. So thats a great sign for the Okitsu as it was the clear winner for everyone who tried it which was 12 people.
New Years I will be tasting an early picked Dekopon, Early picked Tango, Tahoe Gold, Cara Cara and Honey,
Then in Spring it will be all the golds- tahoe, shasta and nugget (no fruit this year on yosemite - will fruit this spring) and tango.
Next season I will be adding to the taste testing Yosemite, Moro, Xie Shan, Lee x Nova,
How were your taste testing Yosemite, Moro, Xie Shan, Lee x Nova?
I tried the tango and gold nuggets this week and they still need more time still to acidic for my tastes. The Tahoe and Shasta were very good and I think the shasta's will be better next month along with the tango and GN's. Still waiting until March to try my dekopon.