ID Jungle Artocarpus from Penang, Malaysia

[durianwriter]

A friend found a few artocarpus and one mystery fruit while camping on Turtle Beach in north Penang. One I believe was artocarpus lanceifolius but I don't know the other. It is like a very tiny marang with a strong odor.

This other one is like something I had in Borneo, but could never find the name for it. It is like a tampoi on the outside but it is arranged in segments stacked haphazardly on top off each other.

We're going to go look for more tomorrow, so I'll get the pics of the leaves.

These are her pics, uploaded with her permission and curiosity.

[fruitlovers]

Doubt your first photo is lanceifolius. Probably chempadek. Second photo hard to ID without seeing exterior. Third don't know.

[Radoslav]

Interior of fruit on third picture resembles interior of Willughbeia
angustifolia

[raymondetc]

1st & 2nd pic is what we call Tarap in Sabah, Borneo.

[Mike T]

I don't think it is a marang or even a species from Borneo.Maybe a variety of A.reticulatus.

[Soren]

Interior of fruit on third picture resembles interior of Willughbeia
angustifolia

I agree - its likely Willughbeia sp.

[Mike T]

Yes for the 3rd and I meant to say Willughbeia also.

[durianwriter]

The top photo definitely wasn't a cempedak, as it was arranged like a marang and had an exterior like a marang. It was sweet, not sour.

I've seen something like this in Cambodia, but it was very sour and a bit smaller.

Cool ID on the Willughbeia, we ate the white version of it in Borneo but had no idea what it was. Thanks!

[Soren]

The top photo definitely wasn't a cempedak, as it was arranged like a marang and had an exterior like a marang. It was sweet, not sour.

I've seen something like this in Cambodia, but it was very sour and a bit smaller.

Cool ID on the Willughbeia, we ate the white version of it in Borneo but had no idea what it was. Thanks!

Like the Saba spp. here in Africa - a clear potential to the next commercial fruit on the international markets.

[fruitlovers]

The top photo definitely wasn't a cempedak, as it was arranged like a marang and had an exterior like a marang. It was sweet, not sour.

I've seen something like this in Cambodia, but it was very sour and a bit smaller.

Cool ID on the Willughbeia, we ate the white version of it in Borneo but had no idea what it was. Thanks!

The exterior of first photo is definitely not like a marang.

[durianwriter]

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It's more like a marang than a cempedak. All the hairs are just packed in very very tightly. I'll take more pictures today when we go back to the tree.

[fruitlovers]

Lindsay, here is what exterior of marang really looks like:

[Mike T]

I'm rooting for utu but it isn't native to Malaysia.

[durianwriter]

Okay guys, here are my pictures of the three artocarpus trees we visited today.




Art 1: This one seems most marang-like to me, the flesh actually turns much darker orange when ripe but there weren't any good ones



Art 2: seems like something cempedak, but taste is more intense and sweet-sour


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Just to compare Art 1 and Art 2



Art 3: This one tastes of either a terap or one of the terap relatives I ate in Borneo - the one with the curly hair and sticky exterior. The name escapes me at the moment, probably because it is 1 AM. These fruits are actually pretty tiny, just slightly larger than my palm.


So what are these mystery artocarpus?

[Mike T]

Mmm.....maybe monkey jack,keledang (wild types) and 3 is a WTF.3 looks like an utu but can't be so the spawn of a marang/keledang union or a rarity I don't know about.

[durianwriter]

Monkey jack is the same thing as badhal/lacucha, right?  It is quite definitely not Lacucha.

[fruitlovers]

Monkey jack is the same thing as badhal/lacucha, right?  It is quite definitely not Lacucha.

Monkey jack = Artocarpus rigidus
Lakoocha = Artocarpus lakoocha

[ben mango]

Awesome.  What was your favorite ? Also would you have to eat several keledangs to get full or are they filling like marang??

[durianwriter]

Monkey jack is the same thing as badhal/lacucha, right?  It is quite definitely not Lacucha.

Monkey jack = Artocarpus rigidus
Lakoocha = Artocarpus lakoocha

Art 2 definitely looked like pics I'm seeing on google of Artocarpus rigidus. Good eye!

Btw, wikipedia thinks lacucha is known as Monkey Jack  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artocarpus_lacucha

Today I went to the botanic garden where we found Artocarpus elasticus. But they didn't know what the other two Arts were

[bangkok]

Monkey jack is the same thing as badhal/lacucha, right?  It is quite definitely not Lacucha.

Monkey jack = Artocarpus rigidus
Lakoocha = Artocarpus lakoocha

Art 2 definitely looked like pics I'm seeing on google of Artocarpus rigidus. Good eye!

Btw, wikipedia thinks lacucha is known as Monkey Jack  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artocarpus_lacucha

Today I went to the botanic garden where we found Artocarpus elasticus. But they didn't know what the other two Arts were

You are so lucky that you can taste them all. Which one do you like the most?

[fruitlovers]

Monkey jack is the same thing as badhal/lacucha, right?  It is quite definitely not Lacucha.

Monkey jack = Artocarpus rigidus
Lakoocha = Artocarpus lakoocha

Art 2 definitely looked like pics I'm seeing on google of Artocarpus rigidus. Good eye!

Btw, wikipedia thinks lacucha is known as Monkey Jack  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artocarpus_lacucha

Today I went to the botanic garden where we found Artocarpus elasticus. But they didn't know what the other two Arts were

Common names are very confusing. That is why i try to include latin name in paranthesis, and Mike T , and others should try to do the same. Yes sometimes lakoocha is called monkey jack. But usually the name monkey jack refers to A. rigidus, which i'm sure that is what Mike was referring to.  Artocarpus lakoocha is called lakoocha in India where it is native.

[FloridaGreenMan]

Lindsay
This is one of the Marangs that you and I ate in Puerto Rico



FGM

[durianwriter]

Monkey jack is the same thing as badhal/lacucha, right?  It is quite definitely not Lacucha.

Monkey jack = Artocarpus rigidus
Lakoocha = Artocarpus lakoocha

Art 2 definitely looked like pics I'm seeing on google of Artocarpus rigidus. Good eye!

Btw, wikipedia thinks lacucha is known as Monkey Jack  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artocarpus_lacucha

Today I went to the botanic garden where we found Artocarpus elasticus. But they didn't know what the other two Arts were

You are so lucky that you can taste them all. Which one do you like the most?

A. rigidus was very good, but Art 1 was not entirely ripe. We saw pieces of other ones smashed on the ground and the flesh was bright orange, similar to the A. rigidus, so I think it would have tasted much better if we got a ripe one.

Do you think Art 3 is a terap or a cempedak relative? I think terap, just because of the way it tastes. They had some at the botanic garden, but the woman giving us a tour thought they were A. elasticus and a quick google search reveals them to be something different, although we did find A. elasticus in the botanic garden as well.

I did save all the seeds, I'm trying to get to all your messages about that now. Just for future reference, it's a lot easier for me to keep track of and answer questions about seeds in my email: durianyear at gmail.com. Thanks!

[fruitlovers]

Monkey jack is the same thing as badhal/lacucha, right?  It is quite definitely not Lacucha.

Monkey jack = Artocarpus rigidus
Lakoocha = Artocarpus lakoocha

Art 2 definitely looked like pics I'm seeing on google of Artocarpus rigidus. Good eye!

Btw, wikipedia thinks lacucha is known as Monkey Jack  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artocarpus_lacucha

Today I went to the botanic garden where we found Artocarpus elasticus. But they didn't know what the other two Arts were

You are so lucky that you can taste them all. Which one do you like the most?

A. rigidus was very good, but Art 1 was not entirely ripe. We saw pieces of other ones smashed on the ground and the flesh was bright orange, similar to the A. rigidus, so I think it would have tasted much better if we got a ripe one.

Do you think Art 3 is a terap or a cempedak relative? I think terap, just because of the way it tastes. They had some at the botanic garden, but the woman giving us a tour thought they were A. elasticus and a quick google search reveals them to be something different, although we did find A. elasticus in the botanic garden as well.

I did save all the seeds, I'm trying to get to all your messages about that now. Just for future reference, it's a lot easier for me to keep track of and answer questions about seeds in my email: durianyear at gmail.com. Thanks!

You might want to remove your email from this message because spiders will pick it up and you'll start getting a ton of spam. Better if you write durianyear at gmail.com.

[durianwriter]

Thanks for looking out for me, Oscar