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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How much do you like this forum?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:51:11 PM »
Steven:

Thanks for the mango song video.  The choreography is a bit dodgy but the complex wording makes the whole song a real work of art.

My favorite mango song: http://mp3lemon.org/song/668066/005%20-%2009%20Drop%20Baby%20Drop

Last Mango in Paris, ... Jimmy Buffet
 
Not a song about mangos, just a great song...




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Asian grey weevil
« on: November 27, 2012, 08:21:25 PM »
Has anyone tried Spinosad?  I just sprayed my new sweetheart lychee. No idea if it will work or not. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papayas
« on: November 27, 2012, 05:56:07 AM »
Papaya fruiting that close to the ground always look tres cool, but if you have rats, possums, squirrels, mice, raccoons, opossum, playful dogs, chickens, ducks, guinea fowl, bush turkey, two left feet etc, you are not going to get a chance to harvest them.

I was hoping to try growing one of the tainung varieties, a red lady and another from Taidong, but I recently put in about 6 from good fruit Mike sent seeds of and I'm running out of space! After years of avoiding papaya because they are a putrid tasting weed around here, I have fallen back in love with the good types.  ;D

BMc, you left box turtles off of your list of papaya thieves....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vote for your favourite Tropical fruit!
« on: November 24, 2012, 05:43:14 PM »
Mango, Lychee, Avocado! 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / I now see winter in a new light.
« on: November 24, 2012, 05:40:11 PM »
Wandering through the yard, I now have a greater affinity for the transition from hot and humid Florida to the dry and crisp cold/cool fronts that come with a Florida winter.   As a rookie fruit tree grower, this year I have planted about two dozen trees since this past summer.  As a result, I am just beginning to see the "flowers" of my labor. 
 
My Brahm Kai Meu mango, Dot mango, and Wurtz avocado are pushing out bloom.  Pretty cool. 

Perhaps it's a blessing, perhaps it's curse, but I'll let the BKM and the Wurtz take their chances.   Ms. Dorothy, on the other hand,  will likely have to wait until next year.  I think she needs another year of growth before throwing down some fruit. 

I like this hobby, but the waiting is a bitch! 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone tasted an Oro Negro avocado?
« on: November 12, 2012, 09:24:29 PM »
Roger that, I'm out of mulch, but I'll get some this week. I've mulched all of my trees for that purpose and to help retain some H2O. It's crazy, the mulch will stay moist but the sand is is still bone dry at 2" below the surface. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Two trees, one hole?
« on: November 12, 2012, 08:56:37 PM »
I was only wanting to double up 2 compact trees in a limited space location. All the rest are solo, about 15 trees so far.

My Neelam is the only tree I haven't planted.  I want to put it in a specific discrete spot that is really only suitable for a compact tree. But I think I can squeeze it and an Angie into that spot now that I know I can plant them in close proximity to on another.   I'm looking at about 10' from trunk to trunk. 

Thanks again for the insight. Put me on the short list for a BAT and an Angie.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Two trees, one hole?
« on: November 12, 2012, 07:53:16 PM »
After dropping in my Oro Negro, I walked off two more plots for an Edward (definitely) and most likely a new year BATling.  I won't 2 in 1 them, but I will consider doing it to my Neelam and TBD.  I have a small patch of land behind an island in the front that is well hidden from the street.

I know a cogshall is a beautiful colored fruit, but how does an Angie's fruit compare colorwise and flavor?   Are there any other quality dwarfs that I should consider to double up with the Neelam?  I currently have 2 Pickerings, a Beverly, and an Ice Cream. 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone tasted an Oro Negro avocado?
« on: November 12, 2012, 05:47:44 PM »
Just dropped an Oro Negro in the backyard today.  Good shot of how little organic matter there is in my sand dune. Most of the black matter is from the porting soil.

The worst part about this hobby is the waiting........




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Photo Contest
« on: November 12, 2012, 07:38:55 AM »
Tortoise vs. Papaya


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Two trees, one hole?
« on: November 11, 2012, 11:44:32 PM »
When planting mango seeds directly in their permanent location, I plant two or three seeds at each site.  Later, I pull out all but the most vigorous one.

With papaya, I sometimes leave two plants at each site until I can tell if one is male.  If neither shows the male flowers (they mature before the females), I cull out the weaker one.


As far as leaving two trees permanently in one hole, I am doing that with a jackfruit and a malay apple.  The jackfruit below are only 3 cm (1") apart so I assume they will approach-graft each other naturally within a few years.



John

Thanks for the pics John.  I'm hoping that the youngsters will approach-graft each other and work together rather than in competition.  I'm hoping to get more variety with less space.   I currently have 15 fruit trees, 20+ palms, and no idea how many ornamentals worked into about 1/3 acre (100' x 140').

That being said, do I need to manipulate the rootballs to get the trunks closer together on a 2 in 1 planting or can I just tie the trunks together?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Two trees, one hole?
« on: November 11, 2012, 11:25:40 PM »
LZ and Southern Blush (and even Spirit of 76 somewhat) are vigorous but ultimately not as vigorous as VP.  Edward, not really that vigorous in comparison.

From the tree that I have seen planted in the ground and the growth habit of the trees in the pots, I would say Coc is NOT vigorous.

From the looks of the BAT mother tree I would say no...ironically the tree that appears to be BAT's parent does seem vigorous but its growth habit, size of fruit and quality of fruit are all completely different than BAT.

Even with pruning the VP, the problem I see is that it has the ability to get massive compared to others, not just in height but in trunk girth.

I would say if you are going to double up, SB, Spirit of 76 and LZ should work well together.  Coc, BAT and Edward should work well together.

OK. I am good w leaving the VP to occupy the entire west side of the house. I've been working the new growth horizontally in an attempt to initiate spreading growth habit. I'll post pics on a separate thread.

Rob, based on your assessment, I think I can make some room for an Edward / Coc or BAT combo. Does Excalibur have any release dates for a BAT 3 gal?  When do the Coc and BAT ripen?

On a smaller scale what would be compatible with a Neelam?  I'm interested in an Angie, Cogshall, Mallika,... something compact. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Two trees, one hole?
« on: November 10, 2012, 08:35:12 PM »
Doubling up can be a good idea when you're short on space. Instead of buying two trees, you could always multi graft onto the same tree. Sleepdoc has a few trees that are multi grafted and they produce a few different types of mangos on the same tree. That may be a better alternative to two trees one hole.

I don't think Edward or LZ will be as vigorous as the VP but you could always prune the VP to keep it as small as the LZ.

Harry's neighbor has a ton of two in one trees, many being two different species in the same hole and they are all doing okay it seems.

How about Spirit of 76 or Southern Blush?

Definitely short on space,  but I guess I could make sure the less vigorous tree could have southern exposure too.   

Sleepdoc, what kind of milit-grafted mangos do you have available? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Two trees, one hole?
« on: November 10, 2012, 08:01:52 PM »
Hey Rob (bsbullie) how about the BAT, is that tree vigorous enough to keep up w VP?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Two trees, one hole?
« on: November 10, 2012, 07:30:50 PM »
I've also heard the Coc is vigorous and tastes good too.  ::)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Two trees, one hole?
« on: November 10, 2012, 07:18:35 PM »
I'm considering planting two trees in one hole. I have a Valencia Pride than will go in the ground soon, but I am considering doubling up.  Are there other vigorous trees that would make a good roommate for the VP?  Will each tree continue to bare its own fruit?

I'm hoping Edward or Lemon Zest are vigorous enough to keep up with the VP. Still looking for other ideas.

Also, I don't think I've ever seen a two in one "tree," anybody have a pic of a mature pair?

I'm also considering doubling up a Neelam with another small stature tree.  Suggestions please.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Miracle Berry Problem
« on: November 05, 2012, 08:12:32 AM »
I'm also noticing a patchy red tint starting to develop on my MF.  I haven't done anything other than water it. No clue. 

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I have about a dozen avos and mangos that I planted this past summer/fall. I want them to concentrate on vegetative growth for at least another year.  What are the pros and cons of feeding the youngsters over the cooler Florida winter months? 

I have been using Excalibur's 8-3-9 w micros thus far.  I have super fast drainig sand w minimal organic top soil.  Based on a recent thread, I'm not tipping again until spring.

My temps stay fairly warm due to my close proximity to the coast. 

If feeding is appropriate, how often?  I've heard the Excalibur folks feed monthly. 

What is the opinion on foliar feeding?

Thanks in advance.
Where exactly are you located?  Just curious as to what your winter temps are in comparison to someone further south and inland. 

Depending on your climate, or micro climate, if you are not trying to allow them to fruit, I would not let them go too dry and I would also keep up an abbreviated fertilization program.  By doing so will allow the trees to be stronger coming out of any type of "winter dormancy".

 
Hobe Sound, adjacent to Johnathan Dickenson State Park. Very sandy hills.

As far as temps go, if you recall winter 09/10, one of Florida's coldest winters on record, there was frost in my neighborhood twice.  The Atlantic, Lake Okeechobee, and the Loxahatchee river keep my temps higher than other locations on the treasure coast.

After consulting w you, Linda, and Richard this past weekend, I'm going to incorporate a light fert program over the cooler months.  I now have a better understanding of how the Excalibur fert works. 

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I have sprayed some soap when I found some what looked like spiraling whiteflys. Otherwise, my copper has a sticker that is soapy.

No weed n feed from me, but maybe the landscaping crew.  I'll check into them.  I saw my neighbor spraying his weeds about 2 weeks ago. 

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Thanks for the input. Based on your recommendations and the U of Florida EDIS website, I will probably continue to feed the Avos throughout the winter.  As far as the mangos, I may just give them some micro nutrients in a foliar spray. But before I do anything to my mangos I have figure out what's causing this leaf scorch/burn.  (see my post under the mango pest and disease thread). 

I'm definitely going to get my soil and well water analyzed. Thanks Carlos!
 
If anyone is interested, I found the EDIS site to be very helpful and a newbie. 
 http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hs322
 http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/topics/agriculture/index.html
 

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My Valencia Pride, Rosigold, Mahachanok, and Lancetilla are all suffering from some sort of leaf tip "burn" (for lack of an accurate term).  All of the burn is on the second flush or older. 

All were purchased this past summer as 3 gal trees. They were planted in late August / early September.  I have low organic matter, sandy soil that drains well. Soil ph ranges from 6.5 to about 8. Since the summer rains have subsided, I water only when the soil is fairly dry. Well water has a ph of about 6.  I've fertilized once so far with excalibur's 8-3-9 w micros. I have also foliar sprayed once with Southern Ag citrus nutritional spray (no NPK). 

Is the last pic whitefly evidence?

I have a Dot, 2 Pickerings, Beverly, Ice Cream, and a BKM that don't show any symptoms yet. My avocados and carambola are happy and flushing nonstop.

Any suggestions?  Thanks.


Mahachanok

Rosigold

Rosigold

Lancetilla

Lancetilla


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sri Kembangen blooms!!!!
« on: October 29, 2012, 07:28:22 AM »
My Bell did the same thing.  As time progressed it flowered all the way up to the very tip. 

Very cool tree! 

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I have about a dozen avos and mangos that I planted this past summer/fall. I want them to concentrate on vegetative growth for at least another year.  What are the pros and cons of feeding the youngsters over the cooler Florida winter months? 

I have been using Excalibur's 8-3-9 w micros thus far.  I have super fast drainig sand w minimal organic top soil.  Based on a recent thread, I'm not tipping again until spring.

My temps stay fairly warm due to my close proximity to the coast. 

If feeding is appropriate, how often?  I've heard the Excalibur folks feed monthly. 

What is the opinion on foliar feeding?

Thanks in advance.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Leaf?
« on: October 26, 2012, 06:58:16 PM »
OK very interesting. I'll look around for a croton.

The wind has been screaming out of the north and all the plants in close proximity to the north are all mangos. I thought the shape and vein structure was odd but figured that it was a mango based on all the mangos between my neighbor and I. Glad to hear that its not some nasty mango disease that I was clueless about.

I'm clueless enough as is.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango Leaf?
« on: October 26, 2012, 05:44:02 PM »
I found this leaf in the yard. I'm pretty sure it is a mango leaf that was torn off by the wind (hurricane Sandy). Any ideas as to the cause of the coloration? 

My neighbor and I have about 30 mango trees between the two of us.  None of my trees have leaves with this funky color.


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