Grafting onto cherimoya (A. cherimola), the ultimate annona rootstock?

[JF]

Very nice Ethan. I need a lisa. 

you are on the list David...Lisa are almost ready.

[Ethan]

Thank you DNT.

Wow JF, those look mighty tasty!

[Tim]

15?  Did you kill the rest?

I have over 15 seedlings to play around with next year. 

[Ethan]

Here are a couple more for you guys, I dont think these will surprise you though.

Cherilata (A. cherimola x A. reticulata)



and sugar apple (A. squamosa)



Hopefully this year I'll be able to graft up a bunch of different annona sp. and relatives onto cherimoya root stock so stay tuned.

[FloridaGreenMan]

Ethan
You are kicking annonaceous butt in California! Best of luck with those grafts!
FGM

[Ethan]

Thank you sir!  I have hopes of grafting up a scion from a seedling "Amazon Giant"  of mine this summer, hopefully it'll work.

[JF]

Here are a couple more for you guys, I dont think these will surprise you though.

Cherilata (A. cherimola x A. reticulata)



and sugar apple (A. squamosa)



Hopefully this year I'll be able to graft up a bunch of different annona sp. and relatives onto cherimoya root stock so stay tuned.

Ethan, great job! I have a question for you, I grafted a few reticulatas on cherimoya rootstock a month ago, do they take a long time to push?? The buds have been swollen's for 3 weeks but they haven't pushed again.

[Ethan]

JF, I wonder if the root stock tried to shed it's "leaves" and is slowly starting to push again.  So long as there is no condensation inside your parafilm/buddy tape and it is not shriveled, you should still have a chance.

[cuban007]

J, the reticulata scions you gave me, are already pushing. FYI.

[kh0110]

J, the reticulata scions you gave me, are already pushing. FYI.

This could mean one thing for JF's grafts, temperature. I'm not far from JF and I also have a number of grafts onto cherimoya rootstocks that have been kind of dormant for 3-4 weeks now.

[fruitlovers]

Thanks for posting this great information Ethan. BTW JF and Ethan, i don't think rollinia can be grafted onto annona. For me this is partial proof it is really a different genus. If anyone succeeds in grafting them together please let me know.

[Guanabanus]

Remember that the new word "Cherilata" is intended for hybrids produced by cross-pollination:  a cherimoya flower receiving pollen from an Annona reticulata, producing seeds which produce plants that are then called "Cherilata."

This word does not apply to an Annona reticulata grafted onto an Annona cherimola.

[JF]

Remember that the new word "Cherilata" is intended for hybrids produced by cross-pollination:  a cherimoya flower receiving pollen from an Annona reticulata, producing seeds which produce plants that are then called "Cherilata."

This word does not apply to an Annona reticulata grafted onto an Annona cherimola.

Thanks Guanabanus very interesting. So what would happen if I pollinate a cherimoya flower with Ilama pollen and they set fruits? Would the seeds of these fruits produce plants that would be call cherilama?

[marklee]

Remember that the new word "Cherilata" is intended for hybrids produced by cross-pollination:  a cherimoya flower receiving pollen from an Annona reticulata, producing seeds which produce plants that are then called "Cherilata."

This word does not apply to an Annona reticulata grafted onto an Annona cherimola.

Thanks Guanabanus very interesting. So what would happen if I pollinate a cherimoya flower with Ilama pollen and they set fruits? Would the seeds of these fruits produce plants that would be call cherilama?

There is a guy down here in San Diego that supposedly mixed an atemoya with a cherimoya, I haven't tasted the fruit and he said he isn't selling any trees last time I checked. I don't know if he isolated the trees from other pollen or from self pollenization.

[Ethan]

The cherilata scion wood came from a gent who is sure it is cherimola x reticulata, possibly Zill's 75-9?  It is grafted onto a Dr. White cherimola seedling.

What would you call a squamosa x cherimola x reticulata?  I have one on my radar but have yet to collect it.

Interesting Mark, I know Phet Pakchong and Nuathong are (squamosa x cherimola) x squamosa.  I wonder if those would still be called atemoya or if they are even something else?

Oscar, hopefully JF and I can make a breakthrough with rollinia grafting, who knows?    I also plan to try Uvaria.

[JF]

The cherilata scion wood came from a gent who is sure it is cherimola x reticulata, possibly Zill's 75-9?  It is grafted onto a Dr. White cherimola seedling.

What would you call a squamosa x cherimola x reticulata?  I have one on my radar but have yet to collect it.

Interesting Mark, I know Phet Pakchong and Nuathong are (squamosa x cherimola) x squamosa.  I wonder if those would still be called atemoya or if they are even something else?

Oscar, hopefully JF and I can make a breakthrough with rollinia grafting, who knows?    I also plan to try Uvaria.

I need to get my hands on a fruiting rollina scion before I attemp the graft. Last night I collected pollen from 3 flowers from my Ilama and a cherimoya flower. I cross pollinated cherimoya and ilama flowers. We'll see if any fruits set to create the cherilama and ilamoya.

[Jack, Nipomo]

Wow Ethan...and grafted on the cold hardy Costa Rican cherimoya........

[Guanabanus]

Very good, Ethan, you are correct about the usage of "cherilata." 

Squamosa X Cherimola X Reticulata  =  Atemoya X Reticulata  =  "Temoylata."

And, yes, Cherimola  X  Ilama  is "Cherilama", which is more euphonious than any hybrid word based on the binomial, Annona diversifolia.

More complex crosses than the above examples may simply be called "Annona Hybrids."

If someone still has the 75--9, I am glad to hear of it, as that was one of my favorite "offspring."

[Jackfruitwhisperer69]

Ethan ma man You sure are cracking the whip with the Annona family Your experiments are priceless and awesome for someone who's try'n to graft different members onto cherimola feet...we get to know what works, which is awesome You won't find this online, that's for sure!!! Thanks so much for sharing...hope to share some of mine soon

Cherimoya is such a freak'n top notch fruit and is so generous by letting us use their roots for others of the same genus...I take my hat off  

Har,
Thanks so much for the extra info...I was really curious what one would call some of these hybrids

[Ethan]

No Jack none of the current pictures are using "Nipomo" rootstock.  Those rootstocks are for the cocktail annona trees. 

Thank you again Har for the information.  Let me grow out the cherilata and if you'd like a scion in the future, I'd be more than happy to share with you. 

Thank you again Steven, hopefully I can keep the streak alive with some of the other annonas.

[davidgarcia899]

That Cherilata of yours is making me jealous!

[Ethan]

The scions came from FL. David, the tree might have even come from a plant sale?  Forgive me for not revealing the source but I'd like the gent to speak to me again.

[davidgarcia899]

Ya I am aware that all the cool annona hybrids are here, but I havent come across any myself yet. 

[Bless868]

Can anyone help a lone annona lover in the land of forgoten fruit, our annona diversity is amsquamosa, reticulata muricata r.mucosa deliscosa. No hybrids of any and no cherimoya ever, can offer local species.

[Californiatropicals]

Ethan!

Great job once again. Just a curiosity. How are all these grafts holding up to being grafted to cherimoya rootstock?? I have an A reticulata  grown from seed that is 6 feet tall now and I'd like to graft it to a cherimoya rootstock to see if it gives any extra cold hardiness. Also am interested in grafting one of your sugar apples to cherimoya and possibly some rollinia seedlings as well!

Thanks for your work and experimentation!

Dan