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Mark - thatís the same idea as a broadfork, yeah?
Did you do that prior to digging holes and planting I guess? How far out from planting site did you go with it?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tagging trees
« on: February 17, 2018, 12:31:13 PM »
 Good discussion. I need permanent labels for grafts that Iím doing in the woods. Hundreds of trees out there,  so a map is not feasible. I had heard of the soda can idea, but I just bought some of the aluminum tags from Amazon. Thanks for the link!

From what Iíve read, the current recommendation is not to amend the backfill when planting perennials because of this pot effect where drainage is an issue but also it creates a differential between the enriched backfill and the native soil, where the roots do not venture out into the native soil.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: YIKES! Fig damage - what's up?
« on: February 15, 2018, 03:15:51 PM »
Thanks, Polux!
What do you think will happen to this branch?
Should I be worried about disease with this injury?
I like to worry about things and ask questions ;D
But since itís a fig, I assume itís basically not a problem.
Though I would want to know if I need to sacrifice this shoot.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / YIKES! Fig damage - what's up?
« on: February 15, 2018, 02:09:57 PM »
I have a Celeste fig that was in about a 1 gallon pot when I planted last April.
I read about covering figs in the winter to prevent dieback, so I basically completely buried it in leaves.

It has reached 72F here today, so I went to remove all the leaves to prevent "overheating" per recommendations from the nursery.

I found on the main trunk some splitting of the bark:

Is this cold damage or freeze/thaw damage? Or "overheating" damage?

What are the consequences of this damage?

Thanks for the help!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Treating with root stimulant
« on: February 09, 2018, 07:20:56 PM »
Is there any value (or negative effect) to watering newly transplanted seedlings with rooting stimulants/hormones such as DynaGro KLN?

Oh no! Bummer. I didnít realize that about MicroKote

Jose, how much finished product are you wanting to make?

Enough to paint about 50 pots, 1.5 galons each.

Ok got it.....there are lots of posts here about root pruning paint so you've probably already read about MicroKote...You can check their website but from my experience with it, a little goes a pretty long way. May be easier than trying to make your own since you don't need a ton of it.

Jose, how much finished product are you wanting to make?

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Moving to a warmer country?
« on: February 07, 2018, 12:30:04 PM »
Count on Karen for thorough and detailed info, every time  ;D

Until you get to move, you can look for tasty things that might survive in your climate.

That's kind of what I did. I gave up on trying to zone-shift and found temperate relatives to tropical fruits I love: pawpaw (as I mentioned) but also Passiflora incarnata. For me these aren't just temperate, they grow wild here.

They both produce excellent fruits and are way less hassle than zone pushing tropicals.

Based on the maps above, these 2 would totally make it in Denmark.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Moving to a warmer country?
« on: February 07, 2018, 09:40:54 AM »
Welcome, Jeppe!

Are you looking at European destinations only or are you considering other continents?

Also, mangoes, cantaloupes and oranges have different climate ranges. For example, Cantaloupe grows great here where I am (Tennessee, USA) but mangoes and oranges would not (outdoors).

If you want mangoes you will have to be some place pretty warm. In the USA that would mean mid to southern Florida, parts of California (I believe) south Texas perhaps......I'm not a mango expert. But it would have to be somewhere without frost or at least very rare frost.

I love your enthusiasm and would like to hear more from you!

P.S. I would not be living up to my name if I didn't suggest you try growing Asimina triloba (north american pawpaw). It's a cold-hardy fruit with a definite tropical flavor and texture!!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora ID
« on: February 05, 2018, 09:37:40 PM »
foetida leaves apparently are lobed, though not as deeply as incarnata. So from the picture provided it would rule that out.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya from High Andes
« on: February 05, 2018, 08:56:24 PM »
Thanks Karen! Shouldíve known KSU would be behind those data.

Iím with you on the dangers of annona consumption (or should I say, effective lack thereof for most people)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora ID
« on: February 05, 2018, 05:29:32 PM »
I'm mostly familiar with incarnata but that doesn't look like any Passiflora vine I've seen. I would be looking for the 3-lobed, trident-shaped leaves. Maybe other species do not have that type of leaf.

Is it twirling itself up that tree or does it have tendrils? Not 100% sure but i'd suspect all Passiflora have tendrils - they don't climb on their own.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya from High Andes
« on: February 05, 2018, 05:25:20 PM »
Maybe Googer is wanting to do some grafting with Asimina triloba  ;D
I know he's into pawpaw.

Karen - where did you get your info on annonacin content of specific pawpaw cultivars? I have not come across anything that purported to list that. Interesting info. It's probably highly variable based on growing conditions.

John, I need to remember to try mailing you a pawpaw this season. :)

- Anthony

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: February 04, 2018, 02:08:00 PM »
Thanks, Har! Makes sense.

Also for the record, here is what my seeds mostly look like after a few months of stratification:

I've had a couple of pros tell me they've never seen the likes of it! hahahha Doesn't make me feel too good.
For this year obviously there's nothing i can do but hope for the best.
But I would like to solve the issue for future years. Still my best hypothesis is not-moist-enough peat moss in the baggies.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Really Stupid Question....
« on: February 04, 2018, 09:39:22 AM »
Thanks, guys. After more thinking and research (and your input) Iím definitely going to disturb the roots as little as possible.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: February 03, 2018, 04:08:55 PM »
Sorry to hear about the issues you had. Thatís quite a lot of adversity to endure! But sounds like you are bouncing back quite admirably.
I can relate somewhat- I think I posted here somewhere that last year my germination was awful too. I lost so many seeds that were really important to me.
I like what you did with your lone survivor. Not surprising to me that he survived the fridge. Thatís what nurseries do. If you were able to give it 16 hours of light daily, it mayíve woken up sooner.

My current dilemma is with my stratified seeds. The ďbusiness endĒ of the seeds where the root emerges (where the seed sac was attached) has darkened and to varying degrees ďdecayedĒ or receded. This happened last year too. In previous years I canít say I noticed one way or the other, but it caught my eye last year. I had the aforementioned bad germination so thought it may be related (though I had other major issues last year too).
After thinking and experimenting a bit, I am nearly convinced the issue is partial or early stage desiccation.
I have the seeds in moist peat moss in ziplocks, but maybe itís not moist enough. I was worried about rotting the seeds with *wet* peat but maybe I went too far. ...

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Do poeple in the west eat gingko nuts?
« on: January 21, 2018, 01:12:57 PM »
We have Ginko trees here in my area, but I for one have never heard of anyone eating them and have never done so myself.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fermenting tropical fruits into alcohol
« on: January 20, 2018, 10:54:13 AM »
I bake all my own bread and use wild cultures so maybe that would help! Hehehe
But no, good info on the yeast. Thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fermenting tropical fruits into alcohol
« on: January 19, 2018, 06:15:33 PM »
Definitely ferments on its own if you don't boil it. Sandor Katz's Wild Fermentation and The Art of Fermentation are treasure troves of info about this.

Love me some Sandor Katz! Though I found Art of Fermentation somewhat obtuse.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fermenting tropical fruits into alcohol
« on: January 19, 2018, 05:04:13 PM »
Mead is stupidly easy to make at its base level. Spring water, honey, boil them together while stirring. Sift out the impurities if you want(some people say not to) after boiling add the ingredients or during depending, after it cools down considerably add yeast. Let it age. I would never let a mead age for less than a year and mine are usually for two or more. Chocolate meads need a good couple years. Polish great meads literally require minimum of 3 years. Reminds me I need to start an elderberry one before I deploy so the active phase is done with.

Honey obviously affects sweetness. The more honey, the sweeter it is. Polish great meads are half water to half honey all the way up to  1/4 water and 3/4 honey in the initial ferment.

Do you have to add yeast? I thought it would ferment on its own. Perhaps not if you boil it (though you boil Taro before making Poi and it still ferments).

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: January 17, 2018, 12:11:44 PM »
Very interesting, Luis! So cool to see her so excited about pawpaws. Based on her other videos, sheís quite into growing exotics!
One of her most recent videos shows her trees looking gorgeous- I hope I can match that someday.
Also interesting that she apparently successfully transplanted from the wild. Though I believe other forum members have reported success with this.
Iíve been to pawpaw orchards but her trees look so big that It almost makes me concerned about my planned spacing of 6 feet

But man, pawpaws are just gorgeous trees!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: hard freeze /arctic blast for New Orleans
« on: January 16, 2018, 06:13:58 PM »
i feel for you - good luck.

As you can imagine, i'm excited to hear you bought some pawpaws :) (what cultivars, by the way?)

As for me - I still stress about our cold weather (4 degrees tonight, was 4 deg on New Year's Day too) even though I have all native plants! I guess I shouldn't - I'm working on it. :)
My muscadines I guess are the only thing I worry about but figure that's silly at this time of year - it it was 4 Deg in March, I might really need to worry :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sulpher application
« on: January 10, 2018, 09:44:52 PM »
Well said - thanks!

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