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Recipes / Re: Kombucha Recipe?
« on: September 22, 2017, 04:05:00 PM »
I brew kombucha at home.
All of the above info is helpful in getting a culture going.

As for "recipes" - the fun comes in when you bottle the kombucha or otherwise perform a secondary fermentation.
I bottle mine in 16oz servings in "EZ-Cap" brand flip-top style bottles. Works great to carbonate the kombucha. So when I bottle it, I add flavoring agents.
My favorite is dicing-up crystallized ginger, about a tablespoon per bottle. Fresh watermelon juice makes a surprisingly flavorful result. Passionfruit (or maypop, in my case) also works well and really comes thru in the finished product. Some fruits don't work well for me, like soursop.
Pineapple is also good. Grapes, blueberries...oh, and pomegranate is excellent (fresh).

Blending any of these fruits with ginger, etc is cool, or with herbs. the sky's the limit - I have not done much tinkering beyond what I mentioned above because it is more time-consuming.

Be cautious with fresh fruit because the fermentation can go nuts and really pressurize the bottles - be careful opening!


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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Really Stupid Question....
« on: September 22, 2017, 03:33:00 PM »
Ok, though I have been on this forum for a while and have some knowledge about plants and such, there are some glaring holes in my experience/wisdom because I have only been growing things for 3 years.

So here is my super-dumb beginner's question:

Say you have some potted trees in a soil-less potting mix (bark/peat mix). When you go to plant those trees in the ground, do you:
  • gently remove the mix from around the roots so the plant is immersed in the native soil; or
  • leave the potting mix intact and just fill around it with native soil

Basically option 1 is bare-rooting the plant. Based on things I've read, i can see benefits to both options. Option 1 would presumably eliminate issues of soil differential in the root zone, water retention/drainage differential with native soil, etc. However, it could possibly damage the root system (though a soil-less mix basically would fall off the roots on its own).

Looking for advice from folks who've done this - as you can see, I have never done it!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: September 21, 2017, 03:44:33 PM »
Correction of my previous comment.  I am unable to send the PICTURES I have taken of the 3 pawpaw plants loaded with fruits and the harvested fruits. Triphal

Another forum member sent me some of the pictures (thanks!) Here are the links:
https://postimg.org/image/h32jg46qd/
https://postimg.org/image/74hktmxat/

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: First and second year pawpaws
« on: September 20, 2017, 12:44:58 PM »
Not a ton of leaf growth on the three year old pawpaw, but some trunck growth....and decent growth on second year pawpaws






Cool! You may see improvement if you clear the area, maybe 3 feet diameter, around the trees, then add some organic matter and mulch. Hard to tell but looks like a lot of competition from weeds etc around the trees.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: September 19, 2017, 05:15:55 PM »
I live on top of a mountain and my trees are on well drained black sandy soil on gentle slope growing under tall black walnut tree but get a good bit of full sun every day. I put rock berms around each tree and mulching when planted about 6 years ago. I had ordered 4 trees from Raintree Nursery with one I know is My Rebecca's Gold and I think one was "Prolific ", and the other two were just seedlings. I have planted a few more that I grew from wild local seed. They all seem to produce well, wether I hand pollinate or not. Each year I'll have one or two trees that seem to alternate bear which I think is due to varied flower maturation timing with male/female phases. Rebecca's Gold is softer  and yellower than my other greener and firmer fruited varieties, but I like its flavor and pudding-like texture more. Either way, I have to go check all fruits on all trees daily or I'll find some nice big fruits half mashed on ground from falling off trees. I'm currently making jam out of all paw paws I gather since I can't eat them fast enough before they go bad. The Prolific paw paw doesn't seem to be much different from other seedlings. All the trees look the same. Now that my trees are well established, I don't have to irrigate much unless we have bad drought.

Sounds good!
Quick question - did you plant your trees in the fall or spring of the year?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tree for shallow soil?
« on: September 13, 2017, 03:26:02 PM »
Asimina triloba reportedly is one that is dependent on taproot.
However, some nurseries (e.g. Forest Keeling) growing them successfully in root-pruning pots with tiny taproot.

Seems like it wouldn't be a great candidate for your situation, but perhaps it would work.
One thing I've learned with plants is that there are very few absolutes.

As mentioned before, A. triloba does require chilling hours in the 32-40F range - it is definitely a temperate tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Category 4 Hurricane Irma
« on: September 13, 2017, 03:21:43 PM »
Still no power here. One tree at the end of the block is being held up by the power line. My street is the only one in the neighborhood without power. Power company basically said it is only affecting 14 homes so fuck off. We are at the end of the list to get fixed.

That's crazy. Hope they get their butts in gear ASAP.

-Anthony

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Amazing Durian Year
« on: September 08, 2017, 07:09:26 PM »
Amazing - thanks for sharing. That's one tailgate party I'd die to attend!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: September 07, 2017, 09:10:36 AM »
I'm going to be adding a few named varieties to my mini-orchard.
I have ordered Lehman's Chiffon (offered only by Hidden Springs Nursery, I believe), KSU-Atwood, and KSU-Benson.
I'll probably also get Maria's Joy, and either Tropical Treat or Overleese or Shenandoah or.....I dunno :)

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: September 05, 2017, 06:08:29 PM »
I have several trees, some from wild, but my favorite is Rebecca's Gold, which is large yellow fruit and matures earlier than my other trees' Fruits. I used to hand pollinate but didn't the past two seasons and still get more pawpaws than I can deal with for fresh eating or making preserves before having to give them away before they go bad. Out of all my fruit trees, paw paw is the easiest to care for; bug, disease, pest free fruit trees.

Which other named varieties do you have (or have you tasted many times) that you are comparing to Rebecca's Gold?
Just curious which other cultivars it's "beating out" on your rating scale of best taste.

Also - how is the texture of your Rebecca's Gold? I can't be certain because I don't have it with me, but I thought I read that Rebecca's Gold got very soft and quickly at that. I prefer mango-firm texture in pawpaws if possible.

Thanks!

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Awesome!

How sweet are they compared to ....well, whatever you want to compare it to? LOL

Also, how big is your tree?

I have considered planting one but having a hard time deciding between it and mulberry. I have a lot of other things with seasons that overlap Che, so mulberry is appealing since it's a spring fruit.


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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Stone Mulch in Temperate Climate?
« on: August 24, 2017, 06:34:03 PM »
The idea is based on the air well and isn't universally accepted.
It is a similar process to dew formation and depends to some extent on local conditions. Try a small pile and see if they gather moisture. Apart from that, stone prevents water evaporation from the soil surface by reducing exposed soil area and reducing surface air movement. Gravel works as a mulch and is easy to keep clear of debris with a rake or blower.


thanks for the link! I see in that article it mentions that the stone mulch idea possibly does not actually result in dew condensation but, as you stated, simply prevents water loss from the soil around.
I get plenty of rainfall in my area (on average) to probably worry about this. Just thick organic mulch is probably sufficient.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: August 24, 2017, 12:15:11 PM »
First fruit from local woods on 8/20.
Cut into one last night...........it was awful! LOL
Bitter and gamey....texture on the watery side. Spat it out and threw the rest away.
This was a good sized fruit and decent fleshiness, so it was disappointing.

Maybe others will be better - there are still several fruits on the trees.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: August 23, 2017, 04:09:27 PM »
Just got two more trees: Susquehanna and Shenandoah! Collection is growing fast!  ;D

Susquehanna tastes awesome. Have not tried Shenandoah yet.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Ohio Pawpaw Festival
« on: August 23, 2017, 04:07:12 PM »

If we both end up going for sure, we'll have to get in touch so we can meet up there! I've always wanted to meet members from the forum!:)

Yep! I'd say it's 95% that my wife and I will be there, so we should stay in touch!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Ohio Pawpaw Festival
« on: August 19, 2017, 10:39:17 AM »
I am interested. I visited their website a couple of months ago after buying a couple of plants at a local nursery in Cincinnati. I really liked the art they featured on their page featuring a raccoon and a paw paw. I have never tried the fruits before. Even though I have seen the trees at local parks. (They were not in season yet.)  I do have 2 saplings that I am growing and am totally interested to try different varieties when the opportunity comes. :) I just need to find someone to drive up there with me as I don't exactly enjoy driving..
Cool! Yeah, I was wondering if you were thinking of going since you're in the "vicinity"
I love the hippy-inspired artwork they do every year too. That raccoon is adorable!
There should be some amazing pawpaws to eat there.
I have booked a hotel but things around here have gotten a little wacky for me lately - I hope I don't have to cancel my plans.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you Germinate old Passiflora seeds?
« on: August 18, 2017, 04:08:38 PM »
Passiflora incarnata greatly benefits from cold stratification. I've had near 100% germination in less than 7 days after stratifying seeds.
However, this is not a tropical member of the species. I'm assuming the seeds you ordered were of a tropical genus.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: August 16, 2017, 05:20:38 PM »
Congratulations, they look like quality fruit.

I'm hoping to finally get a first taste of Pawpaw this year. I'll be going to a local Pawpaw festival in the east of the Netherlands in mid October. Still two months away, but I'll post pics when I get there.
thanks! Sounds exciting for you. Hope you have a great time. I'm planning on attending a festival too next month. Looking forward to it.

Nice find Triloba Tracker! You got your hands on some good sized fruit! I've been collecting fruit from my trees this past week too. I need to forage around in the nearby woods to get my hands on some more fruit. Pawpaws are great eating!
Thank you! yes, very pleased with my find. going back Friday and hope to snag some more.
Which varieties are you eating from your trees so far? Has the Atwood come in?

I have never enjoyed pawpaws as much as these. I think before I was picking too soon and also eating too soon. I really prefer them just on the verge of "over ripe" when the caramel flavors start to develop.
Of course these trees are not exactly "wild"....sort of semi-wild. True woods pawpaws not coming in yet but excited to compare.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Puerto Rico 2017
« on: August 16, 2017, 11:54:32 AM »
Sounds like another great year. Glad y'all made it out of those monsoons alive!
Great looking bunch, fun to see the new faces.
Sending good vibes to all of you.

Anthony

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: August 15, 2017, 04:12:37 PM »
WOW! Congratulations my friend. I never eat any paw paw but i will try to buy some from north EU countries. By the way if there are any friend from EU that can send some paw paws to me i'm interested to buy some fruit.  :P

Thanks! I've enjoyed several of the fruits already just on their own. One group of fruit has a really firm texture like avocado or mango, which is a trait of high-quality cultivars. I'm sure this tree is a seedling of a named variety based on where it came from.

And I'm also in the process of making the year's first pawpaw ice cream.

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I have used round tomato cages. Just wrap the fabric around and attach with zip ties. Leave the top open.
Yep, thanks - I've considered that. Not sure the biggest diameter available in those but was wanting something big enough to be sure the tree wouldn't whack against it in the wind.
Also not sure how much those cost, though this time of year if anyone has them, they may be on clearance....


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thanks, folks!
Mr. Clean - yeah, i like your design in regards to being able to remove the frame easily if desired.

Now I have to decide whether I want to go to the expense of these setups.

Seems there may be easier/cheaper ways but they may not be as functional or windproof.

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I use this shade cloth (here in Europe is cheaper than the prices I see in amazon): https://www.amazon.com/iDeal-Fabrics-Outdoor-Shade-Cloth/dp/B01ETPYC78/ref=sr_1_9?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1502732858&sr=1-9&keywords=green+shade+cloth

It's easy to set using 2/4 wires and sticks or the surrounding fences, walls and trees to hold the wires, making a quadrangular structure to tie or sew the cloth. It has to be well secured to withstand the winds.

Thanks! I have a source for shade cloth but was more concerned about best/easiest/cheapest/fastest way to build it around the trees....

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I hope to be planting about 20 seedling trees in the spring and I want to be prepared to provide shade via some kind of cloth or fabric for each individual tree.
Anyone have any advice on a reliable, inexpensive way to do this?

I have a few ideas:
1) circle of 4ft-high chicken wire, anchored with stakes, wrapped in cloth
2) "teepee" structure with three poles at angles, joined at top, driven partially in the ground and wrapped with cloth
3) more of a semi-circle of a screen on the east, west, and south side with 3 spaced stakes driven vertically and cloth stretched across

I guess a box made out of cheap furring strips is a possibility but would be more laborious to make 20 of those suckers!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: August 14, 2017, 11:54:13 AM »
The first fruits of 2017 are in!

Big haul of fruits from some trees in an urban city park in my area.

One tree is big and quite old, of unknown origin.
There are several other trees that were planted a couple years ago that are random seedlings. One of these trees in particular had some really big fruits.
The 2 biggest I got were 255 and 223 grams.
Unfortunately, most of the really big ones were not ready when I was there on 8/12.

So far the quality is pretty good!











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