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Hi, the season is open! I will have several more species in the next months (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=22466.50), but these pitanga varieties are very tasty so I am selling the seeds now.


* red eugenia uniflora, pitanga, no resinous taste at all, taste similar to tangerines, very productive
10  seeds USD 9
25  seeds USD 15
50  seeds USD 25
100 seeds USD 45




* black eugenia uniflora, pitanga negra, no resinous taste at all, acid and sweet similar to a grape
10  seeds USD 20
25  seeds USD 40




Shipping costs:
16 USD 30 days
20 USD 15 days

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Deformed New Leaves on Young Jabuticaba
« on: November 10, 2017, 07:57:55 AM »
Yes, it looks like some of my supposed sabaras or coronatas. Leaves are not red because is is not so much cold in your area!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Deformed New Leaves on Young Jabuticaba
« on: November 09, 2017, 11:20:02 AM »
Hi JonM, is that species myrciaria coronata or another thing?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first taste of Dr. White cherimoya
« on: November 09, 2017, 06:49:41 AM »
It sounds fantastic!

I have many chirimoyas but they are all seedlings from a good variety

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is a leafless jaboticaba always dead?
« on: November 07, 2017, 11:14:20 AM »
Misting and shade... jaboticabas are very hardy species, it can take several years to kill them ! :D

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so beautiful! thanks for the taste report about jaboticabas! :-D I tasted red hybrid and 2 varieties of m. coronata and liked them all, it is probably my favourite species.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brix readings for some fruits this season
« on: November 03, 2017, 05:48:21 PM »
Just for fun, with our portable refractometer we have taken some comparative brix readings with some of this seasons fruits from our farm.  These are just a few of the fruits and specifically those that are not only sweet but have a tangy aspect to their flavor balance.
G. prainiana 16
Rambutan.  19
Mangosteen. 22
Longan.        22
Pulusan.        28
What do you think, I will add some more as they become available.
Peter

I never knew a fruit more than 20º Brix, here, many of them gave me those numbers: strawberry guava, guaviyú, pitanga and so on, but never 28º B!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ALMOND
« on: October 30, 2017, 10:05:13 AM »
prunus dulcis is not tropical at all, I have 2 trees and they are very good species

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Yes, Alexandre, I believe it is not grandifolia or coronata, it should be a variety of p. jaboticaba, very thanks

The seller says it is from Misiones... it couid be possible. She said she knows 2 types from Misiones: one bears small fruits and this other one bears big fruits!

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Good news, Helton says that the only species he knows that has this little spine is "olho de boi" or jaboticabatuba.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tasting more jaboticabas (video)
« on: October 27, 2017, 09:45:27 AM »
Just 9 days after, the seeds sprouted and there are small trunks in the soil, amazing, very fast.

It seems it was just grass sprouting :-S :)

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Hi, I dont know if call them spine or thorn (they dont hurt you), but I dont have another jaboticaba species that has this little spine-like at the tip of the leaves. Similar to guaviyú too, but softer.

It looks like grimal or sabará or coronata, but I dont know what is it in fact... the seller (from Misiones) of these seedlings told me that it bears big fruits, that is the only data I have!














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Tropical Fruit Discussion / first psidium guyanense flowers!
« on: October 25, 2017, 12:46:45 PM »
The smell is similar to psidium cattleianum but I like it more (now that I have both, this smells sweeter), the flower is bigger (as the leaves and fruits!)



I call it arazá blanco, or white arazá, but I dont know if there is a popular name for it...

The last year we got just one fruit and I didnt noticed the flowers, now I know how nice they are :D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba and Mycorrhizal Association
« on: October 24, 2017, 03:13:42 PM »
Thank you for the link. Have you grown Jaboticaba?? I might use some advice for the climate around my place! https://www.accuweather.com/en/id/serpong/202292/weather-forecast/202292
Btw, I'm interested in red Jaboticaba (they call it Vermelha if I'm not wrong, the fast bearing 3 years fruiting type). If you happen to know, will they thrive in my climate?

They should do it... (jaboticabas grow anywhere in the tropics) , many forum members grow jaboticabas... I grow red, blue, yellow and many others as for instance sabará, paulista, trunciflora, coronata...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba and Mycorrhizal Association
« on: October 23, 2017, 06:26:08 PM »
No, I dont know, but brazilians should studied it ...

the only thing I found is this https://www.pepesplants.com/jaboticaba.html

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Jazza: it looks very much like my supposed coronata! leaf venation, new growth, leaf shape and colour






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Yes, it looks very rare to me (I dont have that one) and they are not like my supposed coronatas... they look more like m. aureana or phitrantha as Adam wrote...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: feijoa
« on: October 19, 2017, 11:36:35 AM »
Is feijoa is tropical am totally confused about that plz anyone help me?

I would say no: it is subtropical and it can resist -12º C or so. Some tropical growers reported it doesnt produce fruits in tropical climates.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tasting more jaboticabas (video)
« on: October 19, 2017, 07:28:11 AM »
Just 9 days after, the seeds sprouted and there are small trunks in the soil, amazing, very fast.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: October 17, 2017, 08:41:49 AM »
COULD THEY BE SO SLOW!??



one month later and the supposed flower buds are just like that!

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Yes. a friend will travel to Brasil this summer and will bring it to me! Do you know how many jaboticaba species does it list?

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Well, you are right, they dont look just at the leaf venation, the method seems to be the "Foliar architecture" one, and they dont talk about flowers, fruits, etc., that's why it seemed interesting to me, I will keep trying, this is a hard subject for me!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia pollination
« on: October 16, 2017, 01:42:58 PM »
Very thanks! do you know if rollinia emarginata and/or sylvatica need to do hand pollination too? Last year they had a lot of flowers but no fruit set!

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Yes, but... look at this study:

"Summary: Foliar architecture of native species of Myrtaceae from Argentina I: Groups "Myrcia","Myrceugenia" and "Plinia". Nineteen species of native flora were studied to find patterns of leaf architecture to differentiate the Argentinean species of the groups (informal subtribal) "Plinia", "Myrcia" and "Myrceugenia" (sensu Lucas et al. 2007), (Tribe Myrteae, Family Myrtaceae). The leaves studied in this work are characterized by being simple, with apex and base variable, membranaceous to coriaceous in texture, and with entire margin. Its venation pattern is characterized by having the first vein category pinnate, simple, and straight, without agrophic veins; venation of secondary category with always brochidodromous-camptodromous veins, with one paramarginal vein, and may have two, one, or none intramarginal vein; the third and fourth vein category are random reticulate or branched, the areolae vary from undeveloped to fully developed and venules branching one, two, or more times.

Key words: Leaf Architecture; Myrtaceae; "Group Myrcia"; "Group Plinia"; "Group Myrceugenia"; Argentina."


sorry, the main text is in spanish...

http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1851-23722011000100004


For instance, for plinia rivularis they wrote:

"Descripción: Hojas simples, pecioladas, de 4.0-4.9 cm de largo y 1.5-2.1 cm de ancho, con lámina coriácea, simétricas, micrófilas, ovadas a elípticas; con base aguda cuneada y, ápice agudo acuminado, rostrado. Margen entero. Pecíolo normal y marginal, 5-6 de mm de largo y 1 mm de ancho. Venación de primera categoría pinnada, simple y recta; sin venas agróficas. 29- 35 pares de venas secundarias, camptódromas, broquidódromas, con vena paramarginal formada por venas de segunda categoría y, con una vena intramarginal formada por los ojales de venas de tercera categoría. Las venas de segunda categoría emergen irregularmente en ángulo agudo (70º en la base, 55º-70º en el centro y 90º en el ápice); curvadas y separadas de manera no uniforme. Áreas intercostales bien desarrolladas con ninguna, 1, 2 o 3 venas intersecundarias simples (raramente compuestas). Venación de tercera categoría reticulada al azar, de curso recto o sinuoso, las venas emergen variablemente en ángulo recto u obtuso. Venación de cuarta y quinta categoría reticulada al azar. Aréolas bien desarrolladas, con 4-5 lados y orientadas al azar. Vénulas ramificadas una o más veces. Venación de mayor orden: séptimo u octavo. Venación última marginal ojalada completa."

auto translation:

"Description: Simple leaves, petiolate, 4.0-4.9 cm long and 1.5-2.1 cm wide, with coriaceous lamina, symmetrical, microphilic, ovate to ellipticals; with acute cuneate base and, apex acute acuminate, rostrado. Full margin. Normal and marginal petiole, 5-6 mm long and 1 mm wide. First category pinnate, simple and straight; without agronomic veins. 29- 35 pairs of secondary veins, camptódromas, broquidódromas, with paramarginal vein formed by veins of second category and, with an intramarginal vein formed by the veins of third category veins. The second category veins emerge irregularly at an acute angle (70º at the base, 55º-70º at the center and 90º at the apex); curved and unevenly spaced. Well developed intercostal areas with none, 1, 2 or 3 simple intersecundary (rarely compound) veins. Venation of third category randomly cross-linked, straight or sinuous, the veins emerge variably at right or obtuse angle. Venation of fourth and fifth category reticulated at random. Well-developed, 4-5-sided, randomly oriented arbors. Branched veins one or more times. Venation of greater order: seventh or eighth. Venation last marginal full eye."

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yes it does look like Grimal.

your collection is growing quickly, your doing great work, congratulations!
Thanks, I was lerning from you and other forum members, you are doing a great job too. And I really love fruits and jaboticabas the most, so I just cant stop! It cant be grimal because in Argentina we just dont have it... but it looks like that.

it is SOOOOOO difficult to ID jaboticabas, many of them are similar to sabara but for instance Helton says some of them are coronata... and other people say they are cauliflora, and so on... I really would like to ID them by the leaf venation: it should be possible for many especies, and many of them are really different, for instance p. rivularis, m. vexator, are really different from m. jaboticaba, m. trunciflora, m. caufliflora... etc

Maybe we just have a lot of HYBRID trees and they are playing tricks with us!

If we could ID if by just smelling the leaves, as for instance with e. uniflora!

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