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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Rust on Myrtaceae in Hawaii
« on: May 24, 2018, 04:35:03 PM »
I've been wanting to post this for a little while but I have been waiting since I think Oscar would be the main respondent and I know he has had a stressful period with the volcano activity.

I have seen a pretty wide range of response of various species in the Myrtaceae alliance to our rusts here in Hawaii.  Many (so far) seem unaffected but a couple are really struggling.  Cedar bay cherry (Eugenia reinwardtiana) seems to be one that is having a tough time.  I have one tree of onionwood (Syzygium alliiligneum) that is growing like a trooper while its neighbor is now pretty severely stricken (greatly slowed).  So far, it has been a while and I am not seeing this second tree affected so perhaps this particular tree has some natural resistance.

I live in an area where there is a solid reservoir for this rust.  There are tons of rose apple (someone originally told me that they were mountain apple but I now hear that they are probably rose apple) in the palis that are severely affected (they "kind of" grow, slowly and weakly, but I have never seen fruit on any).  Unfortunately, it is all around in the area so there is no way to eradicate them.  I'm sure that there are others in HI in the same boat as me.

Can we start a list of Myrtaceae that are wise to avoid in Hawaii for rust susceptibility? 



John


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Bad experience with FHC
« on: May 24, 2018, 02:57:46 PM »
I have ordered from ForestHouse several times but it has probably been over a year since my last order.  I have found germination to be "uneven" -- sometimes very good, sometimes none.  However, to be fair, I have found this with many vendors on this forum.  I have also received bonus seeds from them at times, sometimes as many or more than I ordered as in your case.  Sometimes I had gotten very high germination on these with the bonus lots, sometimes zero, so I don't think the fact you got bonus seeds automatically constitutes "a rat". 

Were these seeds shipped over the winter?  If so, I suspect that they connected by way of Europe.  If mishandled during shipment (left on the tarmac between flights in freezing weather), you could both be right.  Perhaps he shipped viable seeds and you received unviable seeds due to mishandling in route.

I assume you were dealing with Wirsiy.  In the past, I have found him to be a reasonable guy.  In cases where there was no germination, he would often replace seeds in subsequent orders.  Don't take this to be that I am defending him or calling you a liar.  Sometimes people change, sometimes there are misunderstandings.  I would be interested in hearing the recent experiences of others to see if they are still a good source for African seeds.  I hope that they are since there are virtually no other sources at present for these central African forest species.

John

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John, FYI in the beginning when small seed lot permit use started nobody at APHIS confiscated seeds just because they were starting to germinate, they would have to have roots in order to be considered plants and to be confiscated. I don't know why they changed it, but it makes life difficult for us dealing with fast sprouting tropical fruit seeds. Maybe?... just maybe if enough of us got together and complained to APHIS about this they would consider changing back to how they dealt with this issue before?

There seems to be huge variation on how seeds are handled.  I am sure it varies by inspector but I suspect that different stations vary in their interpretations as well.  Since HNL seems to want to destroy everything, I have been trying to send to the nearest APHIS station to where I expect the package to make landfall in the US (since a few days difference in delivery time might make a difference in a seed getting destroyed or not) .  Some stations seem much more reasonable.  I have had good experiences with the LA station (and one or two others).  They passed some durio seeds even though many seeds had large sprouts.  The same vendor sent another shipment of durio seeds without the green & yellow label (for some reason), it ended up in HNL and they had fun destroying seeds again. 

I think your idea of taking it up with APHIS has merit.  However, I think it is better than even odds that whoever starts the discussion would be a marked man and they would find problems with all your shipments.  Maybe an on line petition to the Secy of Ag?  I think we could probably find a person or two here that might join in.

John

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They certainly have a different kind of appearance to them.  Any reports on flavor?  Flesh color?  Texture? (soft or chewy)

Thanks,
John

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Ariel,

If you are talking to a rational individual and they are receptive to adopting something like the US small lots of seed program, there is at least one modification that comes to mind that you may want to suggest.

In the US system, if a seed has started to germinate, it is no longer a seed but a plant and is a violation of the permit.  In good inspection stations, they only remove the seeds that have started to germinate.  Others seem to destroy the entire pack containing the germinating seeds and I suspect that I have had an entire shipment destroyed once or twice because some seeds had started to germinate.

You should ask them to build in some reasonable exceptions to this (and, if possible, only destroy the germinating seeds).  If the seed has only just started to sprout or has a very short sprout, it is reasonable to assume this has started in transit and should just pass through.  If there is a 40-50 mm seedling, it was probably already starting to germinate before being sent and that sounds like "fair game" for being destroyed.

John

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The griffithii still alive?   Eating it side by side could tell slight differences if I recall correctly.   But couldn't. Tell differences from you only had one by itself...  My palette isn't that great

Yup, despite some idiot decapitating it with a kama by accident (guilty) when the weeds started to get a bit overgrown.  So, now it is working on a nice bushy growth habit...  I've got it in a low, wet spot (I heard that they can take wet areas) & it seems happy there.

John

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Thanks, Steph, you'll have to give us a report when you get rampangi fruiting.  I recall kuini being decent sized fruit so these rampangi must be pretty good sized.

Have you fruited this "griffithii' from Frankie's?  Reports?  I got seeds by way of Lance on Oahu & I think I passed one on to someone, Micah I think.

Yeah, my kuini are seedlings.  Surprisingly, not from Micah -- I somehow lost the seedling(s?) from him (don't recall what happened to them).  I got these from a grower in FL.  I was looking for lalijiwa and he had these seeds as well.  I've had them for a while but it sounds like I probably still have a few years before I can expect fruit.

The red color on the new growth of the kuini (like the rampangi) is very striking and it holds until the leaves are quite large.  It does make these really showy. 

John

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Hey Steph, haven't "talked" in a while, I hope you are doing well.  Thanks for the info on the graft compatlbility.  I tried some kuini from Micah & I agree that they are very tasty.  My young trees are growing very strongly but have not yet flowered.

I'm with Micah, give us a taste report on rampangi!  Is there more fiber?  More of that turpentiney flavor? (than kuini)

Aloha,
John

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I just wanted to doublecheck, I think I had read here that mango & kuini are graft compatible, correct? 

Thanks!
John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf durian tree
« on: May 16, 2018, 10:15:10 PM »
Hopefully Mike T will chime in again on this one.  I recall Mike's buddy Peter Saleras in Aus showed durian fruiting on his special trellis system and as I recall they were relatively small trees.  I don't know if they were 10' in the pics but probably not much bigger -- Mike would be the one for more details.  But as Peter (from Costa Rica)  & others have pointed out, most want to be big trees so it will take some work to maintain them that small.

John

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Thanks for posting that link, Mike.  I think I had seen that article before but didn't realize it was Russell's Sweet that they were talking about.

Looking forward to that Garcinia showdown ...

John

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Takes me 40 minutes to drive to Pahoa instead of usual 20. Now i have to go scenic coastal road. I don't mind except it eats up a lot more gas and time.
There is no alternate route in Pohilki being cut.  I thought I read something about Pohoiki Rd being cut -- I think I have the right name, it is the one that dumps you out right by Isaac Hale Beach.  That is a small road but at least it would prevent having to make the big loop around.

What is happening is that they want to pave alternate road through Red road (137) in Waa Waa into HPP subdivision. But that will take months i guess. The roundabout is in zero danger John, Pahoa is in zero danger.   I realize that there is nothing threatening Pahoa at this point.  I had not heard anything abou the other road being threatened  yet but I had heard somewhere that this was more or less following the east rift.  If so & if it continues on that course, it seems it would eventually endanger the roundabout road (Rt 137).The 61g flow that went into Pahoa in 2014 is now totally dead. The vent that supplied that flow fro Puu O'o vent does not exist any more. Floor of Puu O'o collapsed after the big 6.9 quake.
The steaming cracks above Hwy 130 (on Alaili Dr.) are not directly above me. If lava started flowing there it would go across Hwy. 130 around the 14 mile marker. That would close that highway, but that highway is closed to traffic already because of cracks and gas. Bigger problem if highway 130 gets flowed on is that it would cut electrical power to our area. But we have solar and a back up generator. If power gets cut i would probably lose internet connection. So you may not hear from me for quite a while if that happens.
My biggest worry is that Leilani flow will start up again. Right now Pele is taking a "lunch break" and flow on all fissures is totally dead. If the lava starts flowing in big quantity again there in Leilani the flow would go towards Pohiki coastal road and cut off only existing way out, road 137, known here as Red Road. Seems like Pele is not finished because there was a huge intrusion of lava from lava lake in Halemaumau. The floor of the lake sank there 700 feet. All that lava went somewhere obviously. But where is not clear. I can't believe they can't map it using satellite imagery or infrared? I guess it might be down to deep for the instruments to sense it? Either that or they just don't want to panic us? I don't know. The best scenario would be if it popped up from bottom of ocean, which is possible because lots of quakes under the ocean.
On totally different topic:
Been noticing some interesting damage to fruit tree leaves from sulphur dioxide gases. A few trees have leaves browning. Worst hit was my tropical walnut (Juglans neotropica). All the leaves are fried. But that tree is deciduous, so i think it will be ok. Santol also dropping browned leaves. Most other fruit trees are ok with little or zero sign of damage. Some ornamentals damaged, like hibiscus and angel's trumpet. Ferns very hard hit, crisped. Right now it is raining and that helps a lot as sulphur dioxide is water soluble. If trade winds pick up that would also help a lot to disperse gases. Fortunately have not had to use respirator at all so far.  I hope Pele has had her say and will now keep quiet for a while.  I hope that most of your collection has no lasting damage.

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Oops, Bush2Beach beat me to it ...
Read this morning that there are new vents that opened up very close to Highway 130, which is really bad news -- that's the main highway going through that area and has the potential to really cut off those communities like Oscar said.

I think, at present, it will not cut off anyone but the alternate route (Rt 132 to 137) is smaller and circuitous and will be a real pain in the rump for anyone living down that way.  (It is my understanding that an alternate short cut, Pohoiki Rd., has already been cut.)  However, in another month, that roundabout route may also cease to exist.  Let's hope that Pele gets it out of her system soon & things calm down again.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can durian grow in Hawaii Acres?
« on: May 05, 2018, 09:06:54 PM »
David Frenz at Birds n' Buds claimed to have Musang King  (I picked one up from him).

John

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I don't know for sure but I suspect Oscar may be traveling -- his site is closed at present.  Even if it is not right in his neighborhood, the SO2 can really do a number on plants -- hopefully his will be ok.  There are at least 2 or 3 collections of rare palms in the Leilani subdivision and I suspect this eruption might be quite a blow to palm enthusiasts.

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According to the news this am, we are now up to 8 fissures in Leilani.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 4gal Backpack Sprayer for $52
« on: May 04, 2018, 03:25:13 PM »
I am not sure about the ones I have (I tend to try to shake it up periodically but probably look ridiculous in the process).  The one Sayyid referenced on Amazon says it has agitators (I assume that they are actuated when you pump).

John

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Ok, well that is new since I checked earlier this am.  Looks like the social media is quicker on this than news outlets.


here they say two houses burning...

BREAKING  LeilaniEstatesEruption: First look at the two homes that caught fire after a third eruption broke out at Kaupili Street and Leilani Avenue in the #LeilaniEstates evacuation zone.

https://www.facebook.com/milekalincoln.hnn/videos/1770528166339403/?t=0

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Hopefully Oscar is ok.  It sounds like there have been no casualties or homes lost so far.  Pahoa town has not been evacuated, in fact, people are being evacuated to Pahoa.  I think sometimes "Pahoa" is used generically to refer to the region and can be misleading.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 4gal Backpack Sprayer for $52
« on: May 04, 2018, 02:55:34 PM »
I think you need to look at your specific situation as to whether or not a sprayer of this size makes sense for you.  My situation is the opposite of palmcity's -- I use the backpack sprayer fairly often (too often as far as I am concerned) and the small sprayers are used much less frequently.  I use it for herbicide.  Here the weeds grow quickly and are very aggressive.  Weeds like hilo grass and some of the others will even grow up trees and envelope them.  I've got a good sized piece of land so there is a lot of spraying.

Before going to the backpack sprayer, I tried larger conventional sprayers (I think it was a 2 1/2 or 3 gallon) since there was too much time spent refilling the small ones (and walking back & forth to fill it, if you have a good sized place).  That big sprayer caused a lot of aches and pains to my shoulder, trying to lug all that weight around being held by one hand (most of these small sprayers do not have straps of any kind).

You do really need to stop and think if you need a sprayer this big.  It is heavy, however if it is designed well, the weight is distributed well by the harness & it is not too bad.  It can be difficult to strap on -- I have found using a pickup gate to support it while you slip it on your back makes it pretty easy.

And yeah, you can buy 4 (or maybe even a half dozen or more) cheap gallon sprayers for the same money.  However, most of those are not well made.  Many of the backpack sprayers are well designed in terms of filters to prevent clogs and the well designed ones can be quick to clean.  I have seen the small sprayers to be much worse in this regard.  One down side to these backpacks is if you have to abruptly stop spraying before finishing (as happens here when rain can move in fairly quickly).  A tank of herbicide that sits will often precipitate into suspended globs that will clog filters quickly.

So you need to think about what is right for you.  Backpacks are not for everyone but they are great tools for those who need them.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 4gal Backpack Sprayer for $52
« on: May 02, 2018, 07:14:56 PM »
Thanks for posting this, Sayyid.  Prices for these keep creeping up here, it will be good to get it as a spare.

John

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I don't recall hearing of any truly dwarf varieties -- I think they will all get fairly large.  Dr. Ragone at the Breadfruit Institute has advocated training the trees with pruning to keep the size more reasonable.  I just took a quick look at their site but I do not see any recommendations about this -- but Dr. Ragone does address this in her presentations.  (Maybe you can find one on Youtube.)  Their site is here:
https://ntbg.org/breadfruit/institute

Lots of good info on clones there.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peaches growing in Hawaii?
« on: April 18, 2018, 04:12:13 PM »
Hopefully Oscar will chime in.  I recall he had some type of peach, I think 'Red Ceylon', that was pretty good quality (but small) & would bear reliably here.  I have not seen it or its seed offered anywhere.  I will be interested to see if anyone is reporting success with any other cultivars.

I don't know that the "chill hours" thing is a reliable indicator.  There is a blackberry (Natchez, if I recall correctly) that is supposed to require about 300 hrs and people are fruiting it reliably here close to sea level -- where there are zero hours of chill time according to the definition.  That's no guarantee that something will fruit that is supposed to require more but it might be worth a try.  It also makes me wonder how long lived a plant will be if it doesn't get that dormancy it is looking for ...

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha seeds source in US/Hawaii?
« on: April 17, 2018, 01:53:11 PM »
My trees are still small but mine were sourced from a couple of our friends "downunder" from fruit commercially available there.  Not sure if their source was significantly different from those already here in HI.  We'll see when they eventually start to bear.

Getting some more diversity as you suggest Lance is probably not a bad idea.  I think a lot of fruits get branded as "good" or "bad" based upon one particular strain that happened to be imported by someone.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kandi fruit tree?
« on: April 13, 2018, 06:00:54 PM »
"kandis" is a name I have heard applied to more than one Garcinia species from the Malaysia/Indonesia region.  If you do a search for garcinia  kandis, you may be able to figure out what you have, or at least narrow it down.  Unfortunately, most of these Asian Garcinias are dioecious.

John

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