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I bake all my own bread and use wild cultures so maybe that would help! Hehehe
But no, good info on the yeast. Thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fermenting tropical fruits into alcohol
« on: January 19, 2018, 06:15:33 PM »
Definitely ferments on its own if you don't boil it. Sandor Katz's Wild Fermentation and The Art of Fermentation are treasure troves of info about this.

Love me some Sandor Katz! Though I found Art of Fermentation somewhat obtuse.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fermenting tropical fruits into alcohol
« on: January 19, 2018, 05:04:13 PM »
Mead is stupidly easy to make at its base level. Spring water, honey, boil them together while stirring. Sift out the impurities if you want(some people say not to) after boiling add the ingredients or during depending, after it cools down considerably add yeast. Let it age. I would never let a mead age for less than a year and mine are usually for two or more. Chocolate meads need a good couple years. Polish great meads literally require minimum of 3 years. Reminds me I need to start an elderberry one before I deploy so the active phase is done with.

Honey obviously affects sweetness. The more honey, the sweeter it is. Polish great meads are half water to half honey all the way up to  1/4 water and 3/4 honey in the initial ferment.

Do you have to add yeast? I thought it would ferment on its own. Perhaps not if you boil it (though you boil Taro before making Poi and it still ferments).

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: January 17, 2018, 12:11:44 PM »
Very interesting, Luis! So cool to see her so excited about pawpaws. Based on her other videos, she’s quite into growing exotics!
One of her most recent videos shows her trees looking gorgeous- I hope I can match that someday.
Also interesting that she apparently successfully transplanted from the wild. Though I believe other forum members have reported success with this.
I’ve been to pawpaw orchards but her trees look so big that It almost makes me concerned about my planned spacing of 6 feet

But man, pawpaws are just gorgeous trees!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: hard freeze /arctic blast for New Orleans
« on: January 16, 2018, 06:13:58 PM »
i feel for you - good luck.

As you can imagine, i'm excited to hear you bought some pawpaws :) (what cultivars, by the way?)

As for me - I still stress about our cold weather (4 degrees tonight, was 4 deg on New Year's Day too) even though I have all native plants! I guess I shouldn't - I'm working on it. :)
My muscadines I guess are the only thing I worry about but figure that's silly at this time of year - it it was 4 Deg in March, I might really need to worry :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sulpher application
« on: January 10, 2018, 09:44:52 PM »
Well said - thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sulpher application
« on: January 10, 2018, 06:40:38 PM »
Jeff do you follow the high brix "system?"

I signed up for their 30 day email thing to see what they have to say.

After reading some of their stuff and comparing to other things i've read, as a mostly beginner gardener, I come away rather confused and depressed. It seems everyone has a system, from Carl Whitcomb to Linda Chalker-Scott (not a system in her case, more of an approach) to permaculture gurus (and I mean "guru" as in having followers). They contradict each other in many cases on certain points. Of course, some things seem to be mostly settled (e.g. don't amend native soil when planting perennials/trees) but other things are raging debates. Then you have folks like High Brix who are selling a product/service along with their version of The Truth. Makes it hard to discern fact from fiction.

Rather discouraging! I will say even prior to my little meltdown here, I decided there are very few absolutes in gardening. More than one way to skin a cat.

Perhaps my takeaway from this freak-out is that less is more, slow and steady wins the race, and don't do anything unless you have specific need...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sulpher application
« on: January 10, 2018, 01:51:01 PM »
Verrrrry interesting on the potassium. My soil is deficient in K and there aren't a lot of affordable organic sources (greensand is most commonly cited but is expensive).

I need to get crackin' on some compostin'.  (Though i need to look up my calcium test results first)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sulpher application
« on: January 09, 2018, 07:16:50 PM »
Great info, Jeff
I had wondered how long sulfur’s effects would last. Unfortunately I guess I had a fairytale idea that it would be permanent. Do you have “free calcium” in the underlying soil?

I’m a bit puzzled that you say you have to add specific inputs even though you have effectively been “sheet mulching” for all this time. What I’ve read (limited, for sure) I thought your type of composting in place was the gold standard for permaculture and required no other inputs (outside of perhaps a major deficiency in the underlying soil).

Or is it that your mulch was one-dimensional, so to speak?

Just trying to get some learnin’ :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sulpher application
« on: January 09, 2018, 05:24:35 PM »
Saltycayman - that's encouraging to hear.

I have soil nearing 8.0 pH myself (sitting on the side of a limestone mountain, essentially).
I read that essentially the only way to lower pH in a meaningful/permanent way was via elemental sulfur. My local farmer's co-op sells 90% elemental sulfur granules in a 50lb bag for I think $20. A good deal in my book.

BTW What are casuarina needles?

I can't recall exactly what website I used, but if you Google something like "sulfur application rates" you should find a few resources that show tables with the pounds per square foot required to lower pH by X amount.

You should have your soil tested first, to see how much you actually need to bring it down.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Shanxi Li vs Li jujube
« on: January 08, 2018, 02:27:13 PM »
They harvest them way early and let them sit there and lose moisture until they're spongy.

I have only had jujube from international markets, and they've been pretty awful, like you describe above.

So, as much as possible in words, can someone describe what a fresh/good jujube tastes and feels like?

Its striking pastel colours stand out from the traditionally green-skinned fruit.

"Generally custard apples are not a very attractive fruit, and I guess a lot of Australians don't know what to do with it," Ms Martin said.

Shoot fire, I think Custard Apples are quite attractive!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: January 04, 2018, 09:14:30 PM »
That's awesome, Solko! Thanks for sharing this.
I love your excitement for the pawpaw. Reminds me of how excited i was to finally taste one after hunting them in the wild. Man, I even remember how exciting it was to even locate my first tree, let alone eat the fruit (which came a bit later).
There was a gentleman from the Netherlands at the 4th Pawpaw Conference in 2016. But it was not this fellow. For a second I thought I would be able to say I'd met this man :)
Very exciting.
I think you have several years of a headstart on trees will finally be planted in April 2018, if God allows...
So I have a long wait ahead of me for fruit :)

And this is why i have no desire to have a greenhouse :)

Couple people I know are wanting to get into greenhouses, and I'm saying to them "WHY?!?!"  :o

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Root heating?
« on: December 29, 2017, 02:11:35 PM »
My understanding lines up with what you've outlined as well.

I have not tried that, but it seems that logically it might work.

Your post is very coincidental though, as I am overwintering some Asimina triloba potted seedlings in my home crawlspace. Temps dipping to 8 degrees F Monday night. So far the microclimate down there has been above freezing but the coldest we've had so far is about 17. Not sure if 8 will drop things below freezing. So, I too am thinking of ways to heat the root zone. (of course, not long term as you're describing). Anyway, just a coincidence.

Good luck! Will be interested to see what others have to say.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: December 21, 2017, 01:45:38 PM »
I'm addicted to collecting more cultivars....if I had the space, I would be bent on getting every available cultivar, I bet!

I just ordered 2 more:
KSU 4-1

Ordered from Nolin River Nursery in Kentucky.

I'm extremely excited about KSU 4-1. This was by far the best pawpaw i tasted at the International Pawpaw Conference in 2016. Distinct pineapple notes on top of rich caramellyness. Wonderful texture to boot.
This is not without some risk, though - a commercial grower in Ohio that I know is trialing several 4-1 trees. He was ready to chop them down this year after every one of the fruit split. So.......????

Not sure why the cultivar has not been named. A bit of mystery around its availability and lack of formal name.

Susquehanna was the second best fruit I tasted at the conference and one actually won the best pawpaw contest there. (if I remember correctly). Can't go wrong with it (though many say it's susceptible to phyllosticta).

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Tree Blueberry?
« on: December 18, 2017, 10:45:42 AM »
Had my first Juneberries earlier this year, off a couple of trees in a bank's parking lot. I was very surprised at how good they were.
Agree they look very similar to blueberries.
May plant some of my own someday.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto cold hardy Annonas
« on: December 12, 2017, 12:09:11 PM »
If you want to get really cold hardy with Annonaceae, try using Asimina triloba rootstock  ::)

I don't believe anyone has successfully grafted cherimola, squamosa, reticulata, etc onto pawpaw. I could be wrong.

That’s cool! I don’t think I’ve heard of that one. I had a Violette de Bordeaux in a pot until last winter when I killed it. :)
It had very nice tasting fruits - berryish kind of like you mentioned about MBVS.
I’ve never tasted Celeste but have heard great things about it. (Just planted last spring).

I should’ve pointed out- any purchased pawpaw of a named cultivar would be ready to plant in full sun.
You would just have to mulch as always and water the first year for sure.

(In my comments above I was partially addressing seedling trees)

Howdy! I live in one of those towns but I won’t say publicly which :)

I actually don’t know which cultivars are “best” in TN, from experience. My orchard will be planted in the spring of 2018.
However, a nursery here says KSU Atwood and Benson do well, along with Mango. They mentioned Overleese has not done great for them.
Not much info to go on. You could contact Hidden Springs Nursery to try to get a longer list of cultivars they’ve had success with. I don’t think any will outright fail - after all, we’re in the native range.

All pawpaws can tolerate full sun if they are at least one year old and, some experts say, 18 inches tall. Most people advise spring planting because the roots go totally dormant in winter and any damage incurred during planting cannot heal and disease can set in.
Trees will need likely lots of water that first year in the ground. If you shade them with shade cloth for a year it would reduce stress and possibly irrigation needs but is not considered by all to be required (some sources say to shade for multiple years). Deep mulching is a must.

I think what you’re doing is great!
I also like figs by the way but only have one tree (Celeste).

I’m happy to help with anything else.

Please post in the tropical board. This is the temperate fruit section.

Looking for pawpaw scions (in late winter 2018)
Particularly interested in the following but open to other cultivars:
Green River Belle
Quaker Delight
Rebecca’s Gold

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: November 20, 2017, 10:13:20 PM »
Thanks, Bush!
Here’s hoping they make it through the winter. I m keeping them in the pots over winter and planting in spring. That had always been my plan but briefly considered planting this fall. Several folks said to plant in fall but more and more authoritative ( if that’s possible) people said spring gives highest degree of success.
Can’t remember if I mentioned that I’m adding 5 grafted trees: Atwood, Benson, Shenandoah, Maria’s Joy, and Lehman’s Chiffon. Probably going to save a spot or two for selected seedlings of Overleese, Jerry’s Big Girl, Al Horn, or Summer Delight which I plan to start in February.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: November 16, 2017, 09:25:56 AM »
Hi everyone

I have just registred today on this forum.

Thanks Luis, I've been reading here many times before especialy in the hardy citrus board.

Back to the topic, according to the link of the asimina farm in Switzerland, I have heard of such farms here, but this paticular one is in south tyrol, which is a german speaking province of northern italy at the austrian border.

I myself have two trees in my garden. A sunflower and a overlese. Maybe 10-12 years old, and we love the fruits too.


Welcome to the forum!! It’s great to have another pawpaw enthusiast here.

I’m curious - how did you first learn about asimina triloba?

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