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Cherimoyas are definitely doable in San Jose - in some areas you might not even need to protect them. I've had Booth, Pierce, and El Bumpo for 2 winters. Booth and Pierce succumbed last year while El Bumpo was unharmed. I didn't protect them in any way. This year I have 15 different varieties planted so I will get more data on which are the best for our climate.

Nice job, could you share what types you are growing?  How large are they?  Pots or ground?

In ground I currently have Bays, Behl, Burton, Ecuador, Spain, El Bumpo, Fino de Jete, Pierce, Booth, M&N, Mark Lee, Honeyheart, Vietnamese. They range from 5' to 8' tall. I also have smaller Dr. White, JA and Santa Rosa in pots.

Cherimoyas are definitely doable in San Jose - in some areas you might not even need to protect them. I've had Booth, Pierce, and El Bumpo for 2 winters. Booth and Pierce succumbed last year while El Bumpo was unharmed. I didn't protect them in any way. This year I have 15 different varieties planted so I will get more data on which are the best for our climate.

Perhaps Cherimoyas were underwhelming in Australia for reasons pertaining to climate? I simply can't comprehend how anyone could rate an Atemoya above a Cherimoya. There seems to be very few places in the world that have the climate to grow Cherimoyas well, while Atemoya is far more adaptable. That's the only explanation I can fathom.

I have to agree with the subject! The first papayas I ate were in Hawaii and I fell immediately in love with them. Each time I return to the islands my mouth is watering for papaya before the plane touches down. After I had gotten used to Hawaiian papayas I tried buying some in the grocery store back in California and was shocked at how nasty and cheesy they are. It's a shame so many people know only of these horrible papayas.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Turmeric !
« on: August 07, 2017, 03:32:20 PM »
Turmeric grows surprisingly well here in mild zone 9b northern California. I sprouted some roots 2 years ago and have kept them outdoors since then. In December they die back to the roots and stay happily dormant until the following summer. Like clockwork each June they sprout back up and get to about waist height by the end the growing season. They are quite resistant to rotting in cold wet soil, unlike ginger which rots easily. While they are dormant I dig them up, harvest a few roots and put the rest back in the ground. I wasn't expecting them to be this easy and reliable!

No seeds allowed out of Brazil period? Is there some kind of permit you have to apply for? Or just bribe the customs officials?

Is there a faster option for shipping seeds from Brazil or Asia to the US than the ridiculously slow post office routes?

I'm getting tired of waiting months, combined with the delay from USDA inspection, which results in a lot of dead seeds, of germinated seeds getting rejected. If there was a way to get them on a plane and in my hands in less than a week, that would result in a very high percentage of successful imports!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bilimbi ....not acid ..
« on: July 09, 2017, 02:49:06 AM »
Interesting! Maybe they're just picked green traditionally and nobody is eating tree ripened bilimbi off the ground.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Annonas for rainy east Hawaii
« on: July 06, 2017, 12:07:16 AM »
I'm looking for Annonas I can grow on the wet side of the Big Island (Hilo at 350'). My property gets about 150" of rain and has clay soil that holds a lot of moisture. Seems that Soursop and Rollinia are easy there, but what about the other species?

Cherimoyas - They say it needs too much chill, but maybe there are some varieties that able to fruit there anyway?

Sugar Apples - They say it's too wet, but what if they are grafted to Pond Apple?

Atemoya - They say this grows well there, but are there any varieties that perform better than others?

Custard Apple - My gut says this will do well but I have no information to back this up.

Ilama, Poshte, Soncoya - I know little about their climate preferences.

Marolo - Has anyone even tried growing these in Hawaii?

I didn't hear him say anything about planting seeds from the survivors and then selecting the slightly refined second generation. I wonder if he actually did that and I just missed it.

Nope. I asked him and he said all of the varieties he was selling were from the first generation of seeds he had started. He said he wanted to start a second generation but had not done so yet.

Tim invested a lot of time and money into this project over the course of many years. I don't think he was a huckster. He made a legitimate effort at selecting cold tolerant mangos. However, he is a bit of a salesman and he had his pitch refined. I heard the exact story when I met him, when he called me to tell me the plants were ready, and in interviews online. His story always started with "Mangos don't grow in California... except mine!" Obviously untrue, as the many SoCal mango growers in this forum will tell you. Ok, so a mature Antonio survived 25F on one occasion. That's a good clue to begin trials with - but it wasn't enough data to justify selling thousands of trees to people in cold climates.

Well, he's been acting like he's out business for a long time now. Last year I heard from someone who visited him that he was no longer selling direct to customers, only in bulk to farmers. Perhaps that's what "out of business" means. When I met him he had a twinkle in his eye and spoke with excitement of other fruits he was breeding, and said his children planned to take over his projects.

Sounds cool, is your living fence effective against pigs?

My head is spinning and I don't know how to get started. I just purchased land in Hawaii for the purpose of growing a fruit tree collection. Not a farm (no plans for market), just a place to indulge my addiction to collecting tropical fruits from around the world.

It's 42 acres in Hilo at 350 feet elevation with deep soil - old sugarcane land that is now cow pasture. Some flat and some east facing slope. Around 150" of rain per year.

How would you design a property like this? It's unreasonable to plan the whole 42 acres at once, but I don't want it to evolve to become messy and inefficient over time. The plants will trickle in slowly over many years and I want a good strategy for keeping them organized and maintainable in the long term.

I am leaning towards pig fencing just one or two acres and filling it up randomly as a learning experience. Part of me wants a neat grid with orchard spacing, but part of me wants meandering permaculture. Some land will be reserved for nursery propagation and some for selection and hybridizing.

I could use some ideas from all the experienced collectors in this community. What would you do?

Last year I ordered Muntingia seeds from Fruitlovers. The seeds were so tiny I couldn't distinguish them from the vermiculite they were packed in. I just spread the whole mixture on top of the soil and kept it damp and warm. Germination was pretty fast and even.

I'm so happy you posted this, Oscar. Thank you thank you. I was really bummed that I missed Jim's visit (and your class) so it is a real treat to watch the videos.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba "Sabará-de-Cabinho"
« on: May 25, 2017, 03:08:43 PM »
That's very interesting, Miguel! Would you say the flavor is very similar to the common Sabara?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia calycina 'Nelita'
« on: May 18, 2017, 05:19:07 PM »
Happy birthday, indeed, Nelita!

Does this mean you're going to start chopping little sticks off Nelita and mailing them around the world for grafting?

Do you have any Tangsat cuttings available?

I didn't notice that there were two types of seeds in that Coriacea bag, but I'm glad I took the picture.

Someone suggested the other might be Pond Apple (Annona glabra).

Ray, does Otto live up to the hype? How does it taste compared to other Jabos?

I have good news and bad news about these seeds. The good news is my ordered arrived quickly, the seeds were in good shape and some germinated quickly. The bad news... well, I'll get to that in a moment.

Annona coriacea:

Annona crassiflora:

Duguetia lanceolata:

I grew each of the three species in three separate tubs. The Duguetia and Crassiflora seeds have not yet germinated, but the tub of Coriacea seeds came up very quickly. As the seedlings grew I was surprised to see two very different looking plants in that tub. I asked some friends who have grown Annona coriacea before, and they said neither one of these look like Coriacea. Perhaps they are Annona squamosa, Annona montana, or some other common Annonas.

I don't think Giampaolo is dishonest, but his friend in Brazil is either a scammer or just very sloppy.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wanted: plinia rajada blanca
« on: April 27, 2017, 02:45:46 PM »
I was told that the seeds are extremely short lived, and the ones being offered were not sold because they dried out.

Yes, same thing. Sometimes also called Precoce or Precocious Jaboticaba.

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