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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: September 22, 2017, 07:41:37 AM »
Thanks Cassio and Alexandre , it seems that Marco Lacerda is a living leyend there (i was watching this video yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76-ruS8TAUM), a friend of mine that bought him some seeds told me e-jardim is very expensive... anyway I can import any seeds till I get an import permit.

Plinia Phitrantha var. sapucaia is an amazing ornamental one!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: September 20, 2017, 11:12:08 PM »
Cool Cassio, but I cant find any info on the net about your jaboticaba sapucaia, neither at e-jardim

http://www.e-jardim.com/resultado_busca.asp?Cat=1&pagina=1&palavrachave=&lista=1

what/how would she be?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: September 19, 2017, 11:34:04 PM »
Thanks for your words, Solko, I hope so... the supposed buds are so tiny... just 1mm or so, and growing very very slow... maybe I will see some flowers in 2 or 3 weeks, and maybe fruits in 2 months if all things went ok! ;), if not, it is ok for me, there are a lot of plants doing well and this spring will be amazing. I hope you are doing ok with your project. Go out and find more jaboticabas!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: September 19, 2017, 03:19:49 PM »
I planted one of them jaboticaba not too long ago.  How long do I expect it to bear fruits? My tree was from a 5 gallon size. Thanks!

It depends on species, fertilizer, water... sun...: if your tree is an hibrid red one, it should do it at 3 to 5 years old... if it is paulista or sabará, more than 8 years old... 5 galon should be a mature jaboticaba

how tall is it? maybe 3 feet tall? in that case, it should do it soon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: September 19, 2017, 11:24:30 AM »
Beleza total Cassio, what is that jaboticaba? where did you got it?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Jaboticaba Hydroponic Project
« on: September 18, 2017, 11:35:35 PM »
Cool, can we see the roots under the water?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: September 18, 2017, 06:17:44 PM »
yes... I will get crazy soon: so Adam thinks it is paulista, but Helton thinks it is a wild coronata, but you think it cant be coronata because it is too young 7 or 8 years old to flower? hey, lets meet together and fight!

Maybe it is coronata and I just fertilized it ok

Maybe it is paulista and it is ok...

I dont know

If it is coronata or something else, we will find it with the first fruits

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: September 18, 2017, 02:41:25 PM »
Yeah marcos, looks like you will have flowers. :)
Congrats!!

Thanks Cassio, coming from a brazilian man, it sounds good! crossing fingers for her! and it would be nice it fruits, as I dont know if it is paulista or wild coronata...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: September 18, 2017, 02:38:08 PM »
Hi, I tought that it was myrciaria cauliflora, but now Helton think that it could be plinia coronata, a wild variery... I suspect that there would be a lot of p. coronata varieties, as I have one coronata that is really different to this one.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: September 17, 2017, 09:45:11 PM »
thanks zpusher, it looks like mine:



But its leaves are different, maybe myrciaria coronata. Anyway, flower buds look like my paulista.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: September 17, 2017, 05:43:51 PM »
I found this photo on the net, at the upper/right part of the image I can see brown sprouts very similar to the one I have



Our jaboticaba:




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: September 17, 2017, 05:06:55 PM »
Wow! Congrats! Keep us posted on the progress!!  :D

Ok, but dont sing victory yet...

could them be just new branches?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: September 17, 2017, 10:59:36 AM »
Now I am more sure, the one from the above (not the white one, the brown one) should be a flower bud:








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: September 16, 2017, 06:52:39 PM »
Hi addicts, I am desesperate... it seems that my paulista is starting to flower... what do u think?

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=25432.msg297542#msg297542

I need to know! :S

Now I am more sure, the one from the above (not the white one, the brown one) should be a flower bud:














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Tropical Fruit Discussion / First jaboticaba flower buds??????
« on: September 16, 2017, 12:25:25 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzV_AsyRJpU&feature=youtu.be










This tree is maybe 6 to 8 years old, 2cm thick in the base of the main trunk.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=25386.0

Adam S. identified it as myrciaria cauliflora, jaboticaba paulista...

Do you think It is having its first flower buds right now?

it would be so............... awesome!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa - Acca sellowiana cold hardiness?
« on: September 14, 2017, 10:27:35 PM »
There are reports from France: -12º C is ok, and there is some people saying they can resist -15ºC but I would say no, just -11ºC or -12ºC.

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I agree Xshen... I was thinking: now, dont tell me that jaboticabas grow slowly! this is giving us new sprouts massively!

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Received my seeds yesterday. All planted and ready to grow! Crossing my fingers. Thanks so much!

I  hope so, thanks for reporting.

I am here just to update the seeds list, we will have eugenia uniflora red and black by november.


* Aguaymanto (physalis peruviana) NOW
20 seeds (USD 5)
40 seeds (USD 8 )
60 seeds (USD 11)

* red eugenia uniflora, pitanga roja, November
10  seeds USD 9
25  seeds USD 15
50  seeds USD 25
100 seeds USD 45

* black eugenia uniflora, pitanga negra, November
10  seeds USD 15
25  seeds USD 25
50  seeds USD 45

* Angola guava (psidium guajava) (march 2018)
20 seeds (USD 8  )
40 seeds (USD 15)
80 seeds (USD 28)

* Psidium guyanense (or psidium spp.) (24 march 2018)
5 seeds, 15 USD (stock, 25 seeds)

* Araçá do folha marrom (psidium australe), feb 2018
10 seeds: 16 USD

* Black Eugenia Repanda, Jan 2018
5 seeds (USD 14)
10 seeds (USD 26)
20 seeds (USD 48)
40 seeds (USD 90)

* myrcia selloi, feb 2018
5 seeds (USD 10)
10 seeds (USD 18)
20 seeds (USD 34)

* Anacahuita (blepharocalyx salicifolius) (march 2018)
5 seeds (USD 10)
10 seeds (USD 18)
20 seeds (USD 34)

* Guabiju / Guaviyú (Myrcianthes pungens), Jan 2019
5 seeds, USD 10
10 seeds, USD 18
20 seeds, USD 34
40 seeds, USD 66
80 seeds, USD 120

Araçá-una / black strawberry guava or purple forest guava (psidium eugeniaefolia), feb 2018
10 seeds: 14 USD
20 seeds: 25 USD

Natal Plum (Carissa macrocarpa), feb 2018
10 seeds USD 5
20 seeds USD 9

Red Strawberry guava (psidium cattleianum var sabine), march 2018
20 seeds (USD 4)
40 seeds (USD 7)
80 seeds (USD 12)
160 seeds (USD 22)

Yellow lemon guava (psidium cattleianum var lucidum) (march 2018)
20 seeds (USD 4)
40 seeds (USD 7)
80 seeds (USD 12)
160 seeds (USD 22)


Sete capotes (campomanesia guazumifolia), march 2018
5 seeds (USD 10)
10 seeds (USD 18)
20 seeds (USD 34)
40 seeds (USD 60)

Jiló (solanum gilo), feb 2018
20 seeds (USD 5)
40 seeds (USD 8)
60 seeds (USD 11)

and maybe some new species...

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a better photo






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: is there a taxonomist here?
« on: September 12, 2017, 10:39:04 PM »
Ok José, espero que no se molesten demasiado en que charlemos en español, aunque if someone would like us to chat in english, I could translate it... there are some specific words related to taxonomy that I dont know, but we can use an automated translator to help us.

Sobre las claves dicotómicas de cada género, estuve leyendo algo (http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1851-23722016000400003) sobre myrtaceae argentinas pero aún no lo tengo claro a qué género pertenece la siguiente especie, si a myrciaria o a eugenia, por ejemplo.
 Mi problema, José, es que no tengo ni flores ni frutos de las especies que deseo identificar, por ejemplo esta:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=25383.msg297086#msg297086

que se parece a la myrciaria delicatula, pero pienso que no lo es, dado que en este doc:

http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1851-23722011000100004

se dice que las hojas son de  0.3-0.5 cm de ancho... pero el resto de los rasgos que veo a simple vista coinciden con mis hojas.


 A and B, are myrciaria delicatula:



And this is from my plant:







Mis preguntas para vos: ¿qué venas en las hojas se consideran terciarias, cuarta categoría, etc.? Entiendo cuál es la primera venación, que es la del centro que recorre toda la hoja, y la secundaria también... pero no sé cuáles son las otras...


y qué significa " Aréolas poco desarrolladas, orientadas al azar. "?





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / is there a taxonomist here?
« on: September 12, 2017, 03:43:37 PM »
Hi

I would like to learn taxonomy in terms of leaf architecture in order to identify the species I am finding... so, could anyone teach, help or give examples? I can take good photos of the venaria of Myrtaceae and other families ...

I hope so...

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Beautiful and amazing! I hope she fruits soon!

I sort of gave up on Jaboticaba's - I thought I was in a climate that was too cold and that Jaboticaba's were too sensitive to sunlight and water and soil pH to be worth growing. It turns out that after killing most of them the four survivors I have suddenly picked up and grew literally to three times their size this last year.  I now think that they are delicate in the first two to three years and afterwards they are a beautiful and very rewarding plant.
I only have four left though  ::)


Solko: YOU SHOULD GROW AS MUCH Jaboticabas AS YOU COULD!

For instance, I planted 8 below another trees at my garden and all of them are doing great!, I bought 5 years old jaboticabas to do that. You could find a good source of mature jabos at Europe, bought and plant them, dont just wait for seeds (I will send you any seeds, but you will have to waiste a lot of lifetime waiting), grow mature jaboticabas and be happy ;-)

And you are right: after 2 or 3 years they begin to behave fine and they are very difficult to kill!

At my garden temps can go below 2ºC, but I planted 2 jaboticabas (unknow ID, similar to sabará, 2 feet tall, 5 years old) in the open fields of some friends (near big trees) and they survived to -5º C just fine.

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I simply want to share my amazement at this jaboticaba that produces pure reddish leaves a few days before spring, and has never given me problems at direct sun or water from the city (very easy to grow, unlike any other). Now it must be something like 6 years old and I hope it will fructify soon, although I know it could take 3 or 4 years more ... it measures 70cm in height and the thickness of the trunk is 2cm (a little less than 2 inches)










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Tropical Fruit Discussion / ID: myrciaria delicatula or what?
« on: September 11, 2017, 01:21:48 PM »
In this photo from http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1851-23722011000100004 sou can see A and B, are myrciaria delicatula:



And this is from my plant:











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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID: jaboticaba oblongata or aureana?
« on: September 11, 2017, 12:49:59 PM »
Very thanks grapebush, yes, very different...






my plant is producing new leaves, maybe now we can id it?

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