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Agree with you Mike. Probably it was an error.  Triphal

Just received in India well packed 20 seeds of Yellow Jaboticaba. 10 of them sprouted. Have already planted all 20 of them in an apt. medium tray in a nursery. Hoping others to germinate. Thank you very much.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What Is Eating My Papayas?
« on: November 19, 2017, 10:10:33 AM »
Age old method in India. For rat problem on coconut trees a thin 1' to 1 1/2' long aluminum sheet is wrapped around the trees 6' to 8' above the ground. This can be applied to control squirrel also. Make sure there are no nearby tree branches or building structures for them to jump on those trees.This method can be used for arecanut and papaya trees.

I think some Syzygiums will be termed as 'pests'. Please check out from USDA California offices. Triphal

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: pulasan
« on: October 29, 2017, 07:58:40 PM »
Thanks. Please note that I am late in thanking you. Triphal

California Rare Fruit Growers association (of Southern California) is the BEST place for you to get what you want. A membership may land you in an appropriate (sour type) well rooted plant for a 'song'! Please try to browse their net. Triphal

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: First and second year pawpaws
« on: September 22, 2017, 05:17:28 PM »
Pawpaw trees love easy water access. That's why they have long tap roots and so you find them wild on the banks of the rivers. Since we have our own well water and live about 3 miles interior of the river banks I have been watering pawpaws more often than Kiwi, Chinese jujube, Persimmon and others when we are in 6b zone. Good organic mulch and planting trees very close will help to conserve water for the surface roots and pollination.   Triphal

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PAW PAW
« on: September 20, 2017, 01:10:20 PM »
Thank you 'Mangaba' for helping me to put these two of my yesterday's picks of pawpaws from the planted three home garden trees. I will wait for the weekend to publish more pics with the help of my daughter. Thanks again.  Triphal

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: September 19, 2017, 05:59:49 PM »
Correction of my previous comment.  I am unable to send the PICTURES I have taken of the 3 pawpaw plants loaded with fruits and the harvested fruits. Triphal

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: September 19, 2017, 03:47:54 PM »
I have harvested over five hundred (500) pawpaws so far out of my three (3) trees.  Unfortunately I am unable to send it to other than the email addresses through my PC, Galaxy tablet and iphone! I wish some TFF member would be able to publish them on the TFF. If interested send me a pm. Triphal

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: September 16, 2017, 07:37:46 AM »
Our 3 planted trees already yielded over 200 fruits this year. There are 200 more to ripen and fall. Just picked about 25 fallen fruits in the morning. Please note that I have pruned the tree with fruits in late spring.Fruits are of good quality orange colored and sweet.


Found wild in the woods of the Coastal Karnataka. Food for the wildlife. Photo taken about 2 weeks ago.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: pulasan
« on: September 06, 2017, 08:30:41 AM »
From which part of India? What variety of pulasan grafted? How old is the plant and it's size? What is the price and how many plants  available? Shipping method and cost of shipping to Karnataka? Thanks. A photograph of the plant along with it's container is apt. Thanks.

When did you start selling these seeds?  It takes awhile for many varieties of Garcinia seeds to fruit in in 7 to 10 years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID this plant
« on: August 17, 2017, 06:55:14 PM »
Thanks for the information. I will smell both the purple and greenish yellow flowers of pawpaws next spring.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID this plant
« on: August 17, 2017, 10:19:01 AM »
Pawpaws mostly has purple flowers but have about 15% greenish yellow flowers. When the fruits first sets up most of the non-pollinated flowers crumple dry out and fall. The yellow flowers take longer time to wither and drop. Pawpaw flowers are not sweet smelling but stinky, the reason for repelling bees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID this plant
« on: August 16, 2017, 09:34:25 PM »
 This is not a tropical tree now. ( Eons ago it was a tropical tree in N.American continent related to the custard apple family ) It needs at least  3 weeks of chilling around 35 to 40 degrees. So you should post this in the 'Temperate zone' fruit section and may get more responses. Incidentally over 80% of American  (USA) do not know about this indigenous fruit. As the Pawpaw has long taproot it may not be ideal to grow it as a container plant hence needs to be in the ground.

My 9 yrs. old grafted tree is in zone 6b. It started fruiting 5 yrs. ago. Three years ago after moderate pruning (unnecessary) I found black spots at the cut ends of the branches. Later found black areas in few leaves (like in your photographs) which I initially thought as related to the oozing from the pruning areas. Some or all of those leaves turned yellow and shed. Got worried. Later a colleague of mine told me it's from a caterpillar infestation. But I never chanced to see one there by then! Tree is growing healthy, 20+ feet in height now and skinny branches with full of fruits. Since we planted this tree for wild life we do not harvest. But have tasted in November, 5 years ago. Two inches round, mushy, very sweet and with 0 to 4 seeds.  Probably zone 4 to 9 may be ideal for growing this tree which is it's natural habitat area. This may help.

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Momordica sahyadrica
« on: August 14, 2017, 09:00:51 PM »
Please see my comment on M. dioica.
For years I wanted to use raw unripe Gac fruit M. cochichinensis, as a vegetable. There should be a reason why SE Asians do not use this unripe as a vegetable as it is commonly grown there.

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Momordica dioica
« on: August 14, 2017, 08:50:26 PM »
From 1940s till mid 1950s M.dioica was available from only the harvested ones from the forest and wooded areas during rainy season and not cultivated in the ghats and plains of the Kanara districts. Barely a few sects consumed then. The propagation is through seeds by the wild life / birds and mammals. Once the seeds germinate the strong root system helps to spring back to vines in the each rainy seasons. These wild raw fruits are tastier than the nowadays cultivated ones. What was it called in Kerala before 1960s?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia ID
« on: August 10, 2017, 04:40:00 PM »
What is the size / diameter of the fruit?
Thanks. Triphal.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw Farm sugestions
« on: August 01, 2017, 03:55:39 PM »
Grown wild along side of the river and creeks here. The higher water table should be easy for the tap root (main) to reach. Or else like I do, surface irrigate often.
Pollination will be a big problem. I planted two (2) grafted trees almost 3 feet apart and a seedling nine feet away from them. I put eight feet metal posts and covered with old cotton sheets from direct sun light exposure for nearly four years. They are about 20' tall.
Since bees don't pollinate I have hand pollinated + I have kept whole fish put inside metal nets to rot and thereby attract flies and other insects which help pollination. Fruiting has been heavy this year and I had to prune some branches and bunches of fruits.
Fruits are not marketable as the shelf life is a few days. MOREOVER you have to harvest only ripened fruits it is labor consuming and not economical. Fruit ripening will start in September / October. I may be able to save and send some seeds for you AT NO COST TO YOU if Portugal Agriculture Department allows importation of Foreign seeds.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: July 31, 2017, 08:09:12 PM »
Having keen interest in photography which part of the first photograph of the tree's trunk is the 2nd photograph you posted with a palm behind the bole (trunk)?  In the bare trunk picture with your palm behind it appears to me it is about 6 inches in diameter. For a 3 year old seedling of A. hirsutus it is very hard to believe! Since the value of A. hirsutus wood is in demand and of steep price why don't they go on planting these trees in Kerala than planting rubber trees (Hevea brasiliensis)?
Looking at the bole (trunk) you pictured it appears to me that of a 12 to 15 year old A. hirsutus. Please review my previous posts on this subject. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: July 31, 2017, 06:57:34 PM »
In June 1985 the Livestock Research Station in Tiruvazhamkunnu in Palghat ( now called Palakkad ), Kerala initiated a field experiment planting eight fast growing multi purpose trees including Artocarpus hirsutus. Each of the eight species were planted separately in a lot of 20 m x 20 m and at 2 m x 2 m from each other.
In October 1993 the mean height of the Artocarpus hirsutus were 5.5 m and the age of the trees were 8 years and 6 months.

Is that of Areca palm seedling in the back ground of the second picture? Is it missing in the background of the accompanying first picture? I have planted in zone 13 in Latitude 13 degrees 17 ' 09" N and 74 degrees 44' 40" E in ideal humid, hot tropical monsoon climatic area, two ( not one as I mentioned before ) seedlings of A. hirsutus 6 1/2 years ago. They are about 10 feet tall with a diameter of about 4 inches. At the same time I have planted two A. altilis, one A. camanci and 4 A. heterophylus. Most of them are about 20 feet in height and already fruiting. A. hirsutus seedlings will probably fruit after 15 to 20 years.
One of the two A. hirsutus ( I have to find during my next visit where the other one is ) my brother planted about 45 years ago is about 50 to 55 feet in height and about 12" in diameter. It started fruiting about 15 to 20 years ago. And the yearly temperature there is between 70 F to 90 F with high humidity and ample monsoon rain.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: July 27, 2017, 01:13:16 PM »
Artocarpus hirsutis: Not seen growing in beyond 16 degrees latitude in the Southern coastal and adjoining plateau of tropical India. It will not tolerate less than 60 degrees F. It was a non cultivated tree found wild in the woods and forests. Propagated by the wildlife mainly by bats, monkeys, squirrels and birds. Because of it's high quality wood and demand most of the old trees have disappeared. It is a VERY SLOW growing majestic tree. The unripe fruit is green and is skinned and boiled and preserved in brine for later usage in some kind of curries.
You need a hot and humid tropical and 'woody' environment. In your zone 9a you have to build a huge green house with regulated high temperature and humidity throughout the year..
I have been travelling twice a year to those areas in India for the last 50+ years. It's fruiting season is April to June. About 6 years ago while I was visiting India I carefully dug up a 9" seedling from under one of our big A h tree and transplanted about 200 feet or so from the river bank (salty backwater) in our family estate. It is about 7 to 8 feet tall in last March I saw it. Probably it will take another 15 years or so to fruit unlike it's cousin Jack! I will be a centenarian then! I have recommended few horticulturists in that region  to make available some grafted trees. Will find out soon during my next visit what happened. Good luck Signor.

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