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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Unknown fruit? in Mexico
« on: December 04, 2018, 09:12:40 AM »
Oscar only 1 1/2 decades short ! Lucky to be born in a family where the members were exposed to the Flora and Fauna from childhood. Were taught to call the trees, birds and animals by their species and names. Also lucky to grow up and mingle with and explore the Flora, Fauna and Geology from the ocean to about 100 miles interior. Thankfully those days these subjects were non commercial. I am one among the hundreds of that kind in the TFF!
 Do you have anything new on Terminalia catappa for the TFF?  Season's Greetings.  Triphal.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Unknown fruit? in Mexico
« on: December 03, 2018, 02:00:29 PM »
Thanks. Human dispersal through ebay, seed sellers by mail, nurseries, few forums like TFF ! I have mentioned this in my first comment on this subject. But this spread is far away in the jungles and devoid of human habitat. And no one will plant it in the thickets of jungles far above the sea level and far interior from the shore in Government lands with no rivers!
Yes. The birds can carry them but most of the birds have a very small range (area) of territory and too small to carry them far away. Being a keen bird watcher I haven't seen them consuming those fruits either. But have seen them feeding on the insects around fruits.
In another column on TFF about a month back I commented on seeing Terminalia catappa wide spread in the jungles of Mexico from Cancun to Tulum with no rivers nearby high up in the interior far away from the ocean.
These are all my personal observations of nearly 8 decades and have nothing more to add on this subject. Good that I will be spending next four months in the fields of Tropical fruits of Asia. Season's Greetings. Triphal

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Unknown fruit? in Mexico
« on: November 30, 2018, 09:59:55 PM »
Oscar you can't make any one believe that ocean tide climbs over 100 feet above sea level and moves 50 miles interior! I am talking about visiting and seeing myself for the past 50+ years. And to add up to your 'Ocean and river tide' theory those trees are not even ten miles closer to the river. As I mentioned above it is the fruit eating bats that spread it mostly. With thousands of miles of sea shore in Hawaii why Terminalia catappa is not invasive there as per the USDA? I know that such news is bad for the nurseries and seed dealers. Please also note that in spite of the absence of fruit bats USDA calls Jamaican cherry to be invasive in Hawaii.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Unknown fruit? in Mexico
« on: November 29, 2018, 12:48:18 PM »
Hi Oscar. Thank you for your opinion regarding Terminalia catappa.
 From the sea shore which kind of non-human disperse it over 30 miles interior and over hundreds of feet above the sea level? FRUIT bats is the answer. Long time ago while attending a Tropical Naturalist club annual meeting, there was a discussion on this particular subject attended by some Internationally known Doctorates in Science. It is mainly the Fruit Bats that carry the Terminalia catappa fruit far away and after consuming it drops it's hard shelled seed. Whoever thinks otherwise should answer 1.How it is dispersed 30 + miles interior and about 100 feet or so above the sea level from the shore line, and 2. What and who planted or helped germinate these seeds there?
Since 80 plus years I am also familiar with bats carrying and dropping the Kidney shaped Cashew fruits (nut covered by shell) far away places after consuming the pear shaped juicy false fruit. In those days there was no known commercial farming of cashew. Most of the produce of Cashew nuts in India were harvested from the Forest and Wooded areas. Mostly Bats were responsible for India's Cashew crop then. So also in Brazil, Tropical Americas, Tropical Africa and Tropical Asia. We know that the Portuguese introduced this from Brazil through their African Colonies into India.Similarly bats suck the outer juicy part of the Arecanut fruit and drops the hard nut, usually far away from the source.
Regarding the Jamaican cherry as an invasive plant. Nowadays with Internet sales, Nursery trade, Seed trade by mail, Ebay, and of course mainly through the dispersal by bats and birds it will spread faster. High percentage of seeds coming out of the bat's gut germinate and at a faster rate! It was introduced in Hawaii by the then Government in 1922 and you don't have to worry because of the absence of fruit bats in Hawaii!
My views of what I saw and experienced all these years in a small scale in the practical fields of 'Flora and Fauna. Will be away in zones 11 to 13b for the next 4 months. Season's Greetings.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Unknown fruit? in Mexico
« on: November 28, 2018, 11:27:23 AM »
Oscar. Regarding the Jamaican Cherry (Muntingia calabura): It is termed as a HIGH RISK  plant for invasion in the Hawaii according to the PIER report long time ago. This is in the absence of fruit bats but due to bird disbursement, having many seeds in the fruit, through the gut seeds have higher germination potential etc.
Because of the absence of fruit bats in Hawaii, Terminalia catappa is termed rightly as not invasive in spite of the thousands of miles of ocean floor you have there.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Unknown fruit? in Mexico
« on: November 28, 2018, 10:51:45 AM »
Oscar. The bats in Hawaii are insectivorous and they DO NOT EAT FRUITS. So your comment from Hawaii about  'Easily germinated and carried over by bats' doesn't relate to what I commented. Please note these North American West Coast Immigrants, the Hoary bats somehow ended up in Hawaii at 2 different times. The first one 10,000 years ago and the recent one about 1000 years ago. This is the only land mammal indigenous to Hawaii.
Your opinion Terminalia catappa seeds are spread through ocean waters is interesting.
Hoary bat food is mainly wasps, beetles, fruit flies and other insects which is helping the fruit trees in Hawaii getting rid of some of these pests. Over 98% of TFF members and clients unfortunately do not have your advantage of having only one species of bat and the insectivorous one.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Unknown fruit? in Mexico
« on: November 25, 2018, 04:53:48 PM »
Four weeks ago we visited Tulum ruins in Mexico. From the Cancun International Airport all the way to Tulum on road I saw hundreds of trees growing wild in the forests and other dry areas. Some of them are planted even in a nice resort!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Unknown fruit? in Mexico
« on: November 24, 2018, 12:41:59 PM »
Easily germinated and carried over by bats. Fast growing trees and will be a 'pest' in any tropical and subtropical regions.
 About 45+ years ago while visiting a famous Nursery in a Tropical country I commented on this 'Terminalia catappa at that time hardly seen nor heard about in the region that it will spread around easily. And also commented on what they call as 'Singapore cherry' Muntingia calabura ( strawberry tree, Jamaican berry etc.) which was freshly introduced in that area that they will have these trees everywhere in 10 years.
Last year while passing through that area in the tropics i have seen hundreds of those above mentioned trees almost 95% not planted in about 100 miles radius! It is unfortunate to see it in Florida!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is wrong with my naval orange tree?
« on: November 17, 2018, 11:31:27 AM »
Also it should be corrected to 'navel' and not 'naval'.
15 years back while visiting the city of Vishakapattanam, called as Vizag, India's Naval HQs, I was offered to browse a book on Indian trees. I noticed in the section of citrus the variety of Naval oranges!. I mentioned to the friend of the author that it is 'navel' for belly button as one end of the orange has a similarity to it and not 'Naval' like in the Navy!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Lowland tropical avocados
« on: November 11, 2018, 09:43:56 AM »
Looking for seeds of West Indies grown avocados suitable for planting in the Tropical Lowland zone 13b in India. This is for introducing (popularizing) 'AVOCADOS' as a home garden plant along with mango, jack, guava and other trees. I have NO commercial NOR financial interest.
Looking for advice from lowland tropical growers. This excludes the whole US mainland! You could also PM me. Thanks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting trees grown in Gritty Mix
« on: November 08, 2018, 10:34:01 AM »
Thanks. Completely missed your query on 'gritty Mix'!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting trees grown in Gritty Mix
« on: November 08, 2018, 09:58:50 AM »
1. It is better you plant them in the spring. 2. Plant them closer about 4 feet from each other. 3. Needs full to partial sunlight after about 4 years. Till then you have to use protect from direct sunlight. 4. Dig 3 feet x 3 feet square and 3 feet deep two holes. 5. Mix the dug out soil with 1/3 of it's quantity with some compost of your choice. *Please note that Pawpaw plants like mild acidic soil. 6.Thoroughly water the hole day before planting 7. Fill the hole with the dug up mixed soil and plant your container plant without disturbing the roots. ** Do not forget that they have long tap root!. 8. Make sure you plant it about 2 inches above the ground level. 9. Use two 6 to 8 feet long wooden or metal stakes on either side for temporary support. 9. Press the soil tamp gently so that there are no major air pockets. 10. Gently water it till it is fully wet. 11.Taper some extra garden soil from the trunk down to 4 feet to the ground level like a mound. 12. Mulch the collected garden leaves. 13. Six 8 feet metal posts covering 8 x 4 feet area to cover for shade. This you need for about 4 years. 14. DO NOT PUT any fertilizer while planting and the first 2 - 3 years. This is my personal experience with Pawpaw. I have 3 grafted trees this way and they have been yielding about 1000 ( thousand ) fruits annually! Planted it for wild life. Only deer and racoons get to it.
***Our plants are 3 miles away from a river bank and about 300 feet above the river bank level. Our deep water table is around 100 feet but we keep the plants well hydrated through the surface roots.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nematodes and fruittree's
« on: November 07, 2018, 11:53:47 AM »
I googled 'Nematodes on Tropical Fruit Trees'. AND THERE YOU ARE.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Will Garcinia Cambogia grow in Florida?
« on: November 04, 2018, 05:12:54 PM »
Do not think so. Even if the tree may grow flowering and fruiting may never happen. Even in 13b tropics it probably takes about ten (10) years to start flowering from seedlings! The fruit is very very sour and after sun drying it is used for souring the food. Not worth the risk planting in your zone. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Advice for an Orlando Beginner
« on: November 01, 2018, 09:37:29 PM »
If you know your USDA zone, average temp.lows and highs and humidity factors in each month it will help you what NOT TO PLANT in zone 9b! Also becoming a member of the Local Fruit Club will help you what you should plant and where to obtain your grafted trees from local nurseries. Good luck. Triphal

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yucatán in the fall
« on: October 31, 2018, 10:45:58 AM »
Just returned from Tulum after 4 days spent in Dreams resort. Saw a huge round 7" diameter calabash fruit (Crescentia cujete)at the entrance of the 'Mayan ruins' soon at the entrance . After showing our tour guide Anna about the local name she said 'Jicare' and is used for crafts. Among the palms saw many Alonidia merrilli with bunches flowering and early red fruiting now. The fruit nuts are used in Southeast Asia as a substitute for beetel nut (Areca). Saw 3 fruit bunch of Mexican guava at the ruins.
Thanks for your wonderful picture of fruits in the market. I tried in vain finding any fruit farms nor clubs to visit as our trip was mainly for attending a wedding and social event.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: For sale: fresh Theobroma seeds
« on: October 30, 2018, 12:41:35 PM »
Would you please tell me where your Theobroma seeds were grown?
And from where you mail them from?
Thank you. Triphal

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Indian jujube grafted variety of Thai apple aka Taiwan apple will start fruiting from the 2nd year. It should be okay in your zone 10 b where winter temperature is averaging between 35-40 degrees F. (from personal information of growing this by some persons in southern Florida.)
Since citrus grows well in your area a grafted 'tree tomato' / S. betaceum sounds ideal for your location as explained by you regarding the seasonal sunlight factor. Please note that there are 2 cultivars. This is from my studies 2 decades ago for deciding what NOT to plant, rare fruit trees in zone 13!
There is not much difference between a zoo and set of trees grown in an out of it's zonal environment!
Good luck. Triphal

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: October 17, 2018, 05:26:12 PM »
Excuse me. Pawpaw / Acimina triloba is a Temperate Zone plant. Probably zone 9 (San Jose) may be the lower limit in the State of California. Needs about 400 chill hours and about 5 frost free months.
I have a suggestion. I will send you 100 fresh seeds from our 3 varieties of grafted trees I cleaned and kept 2 weeks since. I will priority-mail it to you free of cost. I have some thoughts of what to do to train the plant to think that it is an ideal time of it's winter. Defoliate them just like they do for apples in lowland tropics!
Let me know soon. The seeds are yours if you want them free of cost. Triphal.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: September 21, 2018, 08:26:16 PM »
Since September 5, I have been picking and plucking over hundred (100) fruits a day average. Only about 30 left in the trees now. I have planted 3 grafted trees 'clumped or packed within 12 feet! One each of Pennsylvania, Susquehanna and Sunflower about 8 or 9 years ago. Last year we had more fruits,so didn't expect much this year.
The seeds are very light but  bulky. And Neal Peterson's " seeds are 3% of the fruit" is unintentionally misleading. By volume I feel seed to pulp ratio is about 55 to 45. Most (over 95%) of our harvest was distributed to friends. If we mulch generously and keep the under brush heavy, fruits will have less injury. We are about 4 to 5 miles away from the closest river. But a stream connecting that river is only half a mile away from our property. Our well is about 200 feet deep and the water table is about 125'. We had a dozen of almost 6" long fruits! But in general fruits of variable sizes from one and a half inches(very few) to 5". They are all delicious.
Early yellowish change in the color and fullness at the stalk  and sometimes small insects floating around and of course the smell are signs to harvest. But the trees are about 35 feet tall and it is hard to harvest most of them by hand without using a ladder. As soon as you harvest keep it in the refrigerator in the garage.

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Sorry to say that Pawpaw (Acimina triloba) is not a tropical fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peach tree update + pruning tips?
« on: September 07, 2018, 10:09:08 AM »
Better if this is discussed in the Temperate zone section.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: August 29, 2018, 11:12:05 PM »
What varieties of avocado are practical for a low land tropical area with the average temperature of 27 degrees Centigrade with high humidity and 3780 mm of rain and a mild winter?
I am trying to help a Horticulture Scientist struggling in avocado growing in such areas. {But it grows well in nearby high elevation ( 1500 meters and above ) areas with low winter temperatures.}
 I was unable to find much of a participation from low land tropical areas. Any suggestion or comments from avocado growers in such tropical areas are very well appreciated. Thanks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mabungo - Saba comorensis
« on: August 27, 2018, 11:48:18 AM »
Sorry for my misreading. After seeing your comment I put on my reading glasses and viewed carefully! Absence of remnants of the sepals and petals attached to the top of the fruit noted. It is NOT a Diospyros. Thanks for correcting me. Triphal

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mabungo - Saba comorensis
« on: August 27, 2018, 09:26:53 AM »
Probably African Ebony, a Diospyros variety?

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