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Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2017, 08:09:12 PM »
Having keen interest in photography which part of the first photograph of the tree's trunk is the 2nd photograph you posted with a palm behind the bole (trunk)?  In the bare trunk picture with your palm behind it appears to me it is about 6 inches in diameter. For a 3 year old seedling of A. hirsutus it is very hard to believe! Since the value of A. hirsutus wood is in demand and of steep price why don't they go on planting these trees in Kerala than planting rubber trees (Hevea brasiliensis)?
Looking at the bole (trunk) you pictured it appears to me that of a 12 to 15 year old A. hirsutus. Please review my previous posts on this subject. 

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Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2017, 12:55:38 AM »
Is that of Areca palm seedling in the back ground of the second picture? Is it missing in the background of the accompanying first picture?
It is a grass kinda weed, than can be seen in the bottom part of the first picture also.

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Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2017, 01:07:11 AM »
Having keen interest in photography which part of the first photograph of the tree's trunk is the 2nd photograph you posted with a palm behind the bole (trunk)?  In the bare trunk picture with your palm behind it appears to me it is about 6 inches in diameter. For a 3 year old seedling of A. hirsutus it is very hard to believe! Since the value of A. hirsutus wood is in demand and of steep price why don't they go on planting these trees in Kerala than planting rubber trees (Hevea brasiliensis)?
Looking at the bole (trunk) you pictured it appears to me that of a 12 to 15 year old A. hirsutus. Please review my previous posts on this subject.
I am holding the trunk about 1ft. from the ground. In the background what you are seeing is not palm seedlings (that are grass kinda weeds, which can be seen in the first picture also).
The tree is 3 years old only. If you can't believe me, please ask the forum member 'DurianLover'. He is growing A. hirsutus in Sri Lanka from seeds I have sent. He reported that the seedlings are very fast growing.
Forum member 'Luc' is also growing Wild jack from my seeds. But, I don't have any updates from him about the growth rate.

A. hirsutus wood is preferred only after Teak and Jackfruit wood in Kerala.  A. hirsutus wood is light weight and at the same time is strong and durable. But, the wood will bend as the weather changes. That is why, it is not used for construction and is used only for making furniture and boats.
Wild jack wood is not grown commercially, and people prefer to grow Teak which can be utilized in 20 years. A. hirsutus takes more years to form the heartwood and the sapwood is of no use. While sapwood of Teak is durable and used to make furniture.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2017, 04:42:32 AM by vipinrl »

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Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2017, 04:10:30 AM »
In June 1985 the Livestock Research Station in Tiruvazhamkunnu in Palghat ( now called Palakkad ), Kerala initiated a field experiment planting eight fast growing multi purpose trees including Artocarpus hirsutus. Each of the eight species were planted separately in a lot of 20 m x 20 m and at 2 m x 2 m from each other.
In October 1993 the mean height of the Artocarpus hirsutus were 5.5 m and the age of the trees were 8 years and 6 months.

Is that of Areca palm seedling in the back ground of the second picture? Is it missing in the background of the accompanying first picture? I have planted in zone 13 in Latitude 13 degrees 17 ' 09" N and 74 degrees 44' 40" E in ideal humid, hot tropical monsoon climatic area, two ( not one as I mentioned before ) seedlings of A. hirsutus 6 1/2 years ago. They are about 10 feet tall with a diameter of about 4 inches. At the same time I have planted two A. altilis, one A. camanci and 4 A. heterophylus. Most of them are about 20 feet in height and already fruiting. A. hirsutus seedlings will probably fruit after 15 to 20 years.
One of the two A. hirsutus ( I have to find during my next visit where the other one is ) my brother planted about 45 years ago is about 50 to 55 feet in height and about 12" in diameter. It started fruiting about 15 to 20 years ago. And the yearly temperature there is between 70 F to 90 F with high humidity and ample monsoon rain.
I don't see the reason why vipinrl should be lying. Maybe there are different cultivars of hirsutus with different growth pace.

This is a facebook post of a guy in portugal with an Artocarpus Hirsutus flowering at 3 years old, with minimum temp of 12 degrees celsius:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/

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Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2017, 04:31:30 AM »
In June 1985 the Livestock Research Station in Tiruvazhamkunnu in Palghat ( now called Palakkad ), Kerala initiated a field experiment planting eight fast growing multi purpose trees including Artocarpus hirsutus. Each of the eight species were planted separately in a lot of 20 m x 20 m and at 2 m x 2 m from each other.
In October 1993 the mean height of the Artocarpus hirsutus were 5.5 m and the age of the trees were 8 years and 6 months.

Is that of Areca palm seedling in the back ground of the second picture? Is it missing in the background of the accompanying first picture? I have planted in zone 13 in Latitude 13 degrees 17 ' 09" N and 74 degrees 44' 40" E in ideal humid, hot tropical monsoon climatic area, two ( not one as I mentioned before ) seedlings of A. hirsutus 6 1/2 years ago. They are about 10 feet tall with a diameter of about 4 inches. At the same time I have planted two A. altilis, one A. camanci and 4 A. heterophylus. Most of them are about 20 feet in height and already fruiting. A. hirsutus seedlings will probably fruit after 15 to 20 years.
One of the two A. hirsutus ( I have to find during my next visit where the other one is ) my brother planted about 45 years ago is about 50 to 55 feet in height and about 12" in diameter. It started fruiting about 15 to 20 years ago. And the yearly temperature there is between 70 F to 90 F with high humidity and ample monsoon rain.
I don't see the reason why vipinrl should be lying. Maybe there are different cultivars of hirsutus with different growth pace.

This is a facebook post of a guy in portugal with an Artocarpus Hirsutus flowering at 3 years old, with minimum temp of 12 degrees celsius:
https://www.facebook.com/search/str/artocarpus%2Bhirsutus/keywords_posts?filters_rp_creation_time=%7B%22name%22%3A%22creation_time%22%2C%22args%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22start_year%5C%22%3A%5C%222017%5C%22%2C%5C%22end_year%5C%22%3A%5C%222017%5C%22%7D%22%7D&esd=eyJlc2lkIjoiUzpfSTcxMDIxODg2MDpWSzoxOTEyMzE2MzkyMzM3NTU4IiwicHNpZCI6eyI3MTAyMTg4NjA6MTkxMjMxNjM5MjMzNzU1OCI6IlV6cGZTVGN4TURJeE9EZzJNRHBXU3pveE9URXlNekUyTXpreU16TTNOVFU0IiwiMTAwMDAwNDk3ODg5NDc2OjEyMjIxNDQ5MDc4NzkxNTEiOiJVenBmU1RFd01EQXdNRFE1TnpnNE9UUTNOanBXU3pveE1qSXlNVFEwT1RBM09EYzVNVFV4In0sImNyY3QiOiJtZWRpYSIsImNzaWQiOiIyYWZkZDU1ZGMzM2VmNzU4MmQ1NzVlZDExYjI1Mjc4MCJ9
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.
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Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2017, 05:16:10 AM »
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

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Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2017, 05:59:20 AM »
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!

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Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2017, 06:21:19 AM »
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!

Why do you think so?

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Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2017, 06:43:58 AM »
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!

Why do you think so?

In the picture, the flowers are round. But, A. hirsutus flowers are cylindrical (much more elongated than that of Jackfruit).
Also, the leaves look different.

A picture compilation of Wild Jack is given below. The image is already there in some previous posts of the Forum.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2017, 06:53:14 AM by vipinrl »

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Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2017, 07:08:59 AM »

The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!

Why do you think so?

In the picture, the flowers are round. But, A. hirsutus flowers are cylindrical (much more elongated than that of Jackfruit).
Also, the leaves look different.

A picture compilation of Wild Jack is given below. The image is already there in some previous posts of the Forum.




Your seed looks much different than mine, yours resemble a lot jackfruit, while mine are smaller and more elongated.
I think being a wild species there is a lot of diversity.
The guy who sold me the seeds had multiple varieties (different fruits) and the seeds were quite different and recognizable. Now however the seedlings are all the same and I can't distinguish them.

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Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2017, 07:17:01 AM »

The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!

Why do you think so?

In the picture, the flowers are round. But, A. hirsutus flowers are cylindrical (much more elongated than that of Jackfruit).
Also, the leaves look different.

A picture compilation of Wild Jack is given below. The image is already there in some previous posts of the Forum.




Your seed looks much different than mine, yours resemble a lot jackfruit, while mine are smaller and more elongated.
I think being a wild species there is a lot of diversity.
The guy who sold me the seeds had multiple varieties (different fruits) and the seeds were quite different and recognizable. Now however the seedlings are all the same and I can't distinguish them.

Yes, the shape and size of seeds vary from tree to tree. Actually, the seeds shown in the picture are also small (it only appears large as the photo was taken zoomed in).

 

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