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Black sapote opinions
« on: September 08, 2017, 12:00:11 AM »
I have one growing in a pot, but, I am thinking of getting rid of it.  I know it does not taste like chocolate pudding, but, it does grow ok in AZ and I thought it is a cool tree.
Lately, though, I hear that the fruit taste horrible.  That it needs to be blended with other fruit, or, it is nasty.   I have limited space, so, I cannot grow everything.
So what are people's opinions on the fruit?  Would love some advice.

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2017, 12:29:52 AM »
So I've had some that taste fruity or like unsweetened chocolate.  Some are very good.  At the wrong time or a bad tree can be bad though.

Just grow it up and graft it to something good if you don't like the fruit.

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2017, 01:40:28 AM »
They are somewhat polarizing, you either hate them or love them. Personally I love them and could eat them non-stop if I didn't get the runs.

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2017, 04:46:38 AM »
I like them a lot. I wish I could grow them better than I do. My bernicker tree wants to grow along the ground :/

Maybe this is one of those trees where the scion woods position/growth pattern on the tree matters.

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2017, 04:51:37 AM »
I find them to be worth growing.  They are not overly sweet but are excellent in smoothies.  All my Bernicker seem to grow along the ground also.

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2017, 06:57:07 AM »
Is it true that takes almost 1 year to ripen? Are there faster varieties?

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2017, 08:12:47 AM »

The best I've had were those that ripened on the tree and fell off to the ground. As far as mixing with other stuff....a little honey not only makes it more chocolaty sweet but it makes the "pudding" shiny and attractive. Serve cold! Sometimes I do like to add some finely ground coffee. Gives it more of an acid taste and thus more like chocolate.

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2017, 12:13:44 AM »
Thanks guys, looks like it is staying!

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2017, 05:31:25 PM »
They fruit I have had were good.  My trees are setting fruit for the first time this year from seed.

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2017, 09:53:39 AM »
They fruit I have had were good.  My trees are setting fruit for the first time this year from seed.


How old are your trees?
Can a tree with only FEMALE flowers set fruits without pollination?
Dyospiros kaki for example can produce fruit for Parthenocarpy i.e. withoud fertilization. Fruits are obviously seedless.
What about the black sapote?
A seedling of mine is 4 years old and flowered for the first time last june but dropped all flowers after a few weeks so i'm wondering if it's a pollination problem or if it's just because the tree is still in its "juvenile" period
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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2017, 05:14:44 PM »
They fruit I have had were good.  My trees are setting fruit for the first time this year from seed.


How old are your trees?
Can a tree with only FEMALE flowers set fruits without pollination?
Dyospiros kaki for example can produce fruit for Parthenocarpy i.e. withoud fertilization. Fruits are obviously seedless.
What about the black sapote?
A seedling of mine is 4 years old and flowered for the first time last june but dropped all flowers after a few weeks so i'm wondering if it's a pollination problem or if it's just because the tree is still in its "juvenile" period

4 years old.  flowered for the 2nd time.  Two held fruit.  One held so much I had to thin.  And it is the smallest tree.  The huge tree dropped all flowers.  I could not see any obvious (to me) male vs. female flowers on any tree.  I think they can fruit in isolation with patience.

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2017, 10:34:22 PM »
Thanks that gives me hope  :)
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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2017, 12:34:03 AM »
Actually the best ones I had also were ones that fell off and I immediately got off the ground.

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2017, 03:42:50 AM »
And they don't get spoiled falling down?
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2017, 02:28:40 PM »
And they don't get spoiled falling down?

You need to get them same day as they fall.  I assume they would spoil.

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Re: Black sapote opinions
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2017, 12:11:06 PM »
Same city as you - I have a seedling tree in a pot, too young to fruit. At least they are pretty trees, right?

I've read a lot about this fruit, and my consensus is that the fruit is not chocolate like but is probably at least "mild and pleasant" - possibly even bordering on bland. It will be a fun experiment and "sweet but bland" with a fruit someday would still be fun. Or graft over with a known variety.

If you are short on space you can bring the tree over to my yard and tell your family it went "upstate to live on a farm, to run and play with another black sapote tree." Only half a lie ;)

 

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