Tropical Fruit Forum - International Tropical Fruit Growers



Author Topic: Advice on tree placement for landscaping project  (Read 199 times)

CA Hockey

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 53
    • Orange, CA 10a
    • View Profile
Advice on tree placement for landscaping project
« on: September 13, 2017, 10:58:58 PM »
After 7 years of collecting trees and growing them in pots and boxes, it's time to put these plants in the ground. I am working with a landscape architect for the design but wanted to solicit advice from the group at large. I have to work in roughly 170 trees/plants. Some will probably have to be axed. East is towards the top of the plan. I don't like where the cherimoyas are positioned and want to move them between the curved firepit and the sports court. Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom and advice :-)

Avocado - 21
Citrus - 34
Stone Fruit - 15
Apples/Pears - 3
Mango - 22
Mulberry - 3
Blueberry - 5
Cherimoya – 4
Persimmon – 5
Sapote – 5
Guava – 2
Fig – 8
Miracle Fruit – 2
Cinnamon – 1
Elder Berry – 1
Olive – 3
Dragon Fruit – 3-5
Grapes – 7
Pomegranate - 5

Would like some trellises for grapes and other vine plants (ie, passionfruit)
Would like a simple structure for the dragon fruit

Cinnamon and miracle fruit need shade with indirect light

-K




boxturtle

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 202
    • usa, ca. garden grove Orange County
    • View Profile
Re: Advice on tree placement for landscaping project
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2017, 02:10:58 AM »
size of lot and tree spacing also include variety name so people can give you insight on growth habits would help people chime in

CA Hockey

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 53
    • Orange, CA 10a
    • View Profile
Re: Advice on tree placement for landscaping project
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2017, 03:16:41 AM »
That would be a good idea!

the lot size is 1 acre. I will have to update the post with the different cultivars as I'm running off fumes now.

Mugenia

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 60
    • People's Republic of California USDA Zone 10
    • View Profile
Re: Advice on tree placement for landscaping project
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2017, 04:44:25 AM »
Nice! One acre is pretty big for Southern California. I have a big lot too. I am not sure, but my brother who is a California-resident expert told me not to plant mangoes and avocadoes near walls, structures, or cement areas.

FrankDrebinOfFruits

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 323
    • Kauai, HI 12A
    • View Profile
Re: Advice on tree placement for landscaping project
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2017, 10:46:54 AM »
Are you doing anything to prevent the leaves from blowing into the pool?

boxturtle

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 202
    • usa, ca. garden grove Orange County
    • View Profile
Re: Advice on tree placement for landscaping project
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2017, 11:04:45 AM »
where is it going to be? any adjacent lot available so I can be your neighbor :)

spaugh

  • Amatuer gardener
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 403
    • Poway, San Diego County, California 9B, sunset 21
    • View Profile
Re: Advice on tree placement for landscaping project
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2017, 11:42:15 AM »
Whats the water situation there?  Looks like its going to be a thirsty yard. 

fyliu

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2869
    • Burbank/Covina, CA 10a
    • View Profile
Re: Advice on tree placement for landscaping project
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2017, 03:42:54 PM »
The grapes could possibly be against the west wall of the house, or beside the figs in the east property line. Passionfruit could be there as well, but I personally don't like passionfruit against the house. They are evergreen, and I like to clean out the growth that's next to the house if anything's growing close to a wall. Grapes will go dormant so I can clean them out in the winter.

CA Hockey

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 53
    • Orange, CA 10a
    • View Profile
Re: Advice on tree placement for landscaping project
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2017, 03:22:00 AM »
Thanks for your replies. I actually didn't think about the leaf situation and the pool.

I live in Orange, and there are plenty of large lots in this area. Apparently I was 5 years late on getting in on a massive house sitting on 2.5 flat acres, but our property suits us just fine :)

As for water, I pay less now (about 40$) with Irvine ranch water than I did when I lived in Yorba Linda a few years back with fewer trees, smaller trees, and a 300-400$ water bill. We have 9 people living in the house, so the water isn't just for plants. I have had at least one person recommend registering the land as a farm or some such to get a better water rate, but I haven't looked into that too much.

The main thing I don't like about the plan is that some of the trees are tucked against the western wall which is plenty shaded in the afternoon. My neighbors have tall 30+ foot tall trees lining their properties. I hope to keep my trees to about 15 feet, but most of my trees that are already on the western side are shaded in the afternoon. The current plan is to have avocados on that side but I think they will need for sun.

There is a courtyard in the frontyard == thinking of grapes/passionfruit there. By the pool, there are a couple of planters and I was thinking of olives but maybe the fruitless kind or maybe cherimoya (because they look pretty). For the stone fruit, I was thinking of  planting them as hedges or putting them really close to each other like dave wilson nursery lists on their website (2 feet apart I think). Right now, everything is plotted as being 10 feet away from each other.

Also not a fan of having fruit trees against or near the house because of critters.

As for the cultivar list (see below), I have listed what I have but am not committed to keeping all of them. I have started some multi-grafting just to preserve what I have and save space. Pending means I have grafted/budded, bought, ordered, have on hold, solicited, etc... that variety but am waiting for it to grow or arrive. For some cultivars, I have more than 1 (usually by accident, or I didn't think 1 would survive, or I got a deal, or on different rootstock). Depending on space, I may not keep multiples.

Thanks again


AVOCADO
Carmen Hass x2
Day   
Fuerte   
GEM   
Green gold
Hass x2   
Hellen   
Herd   
Holiday   
Jan boyce
Kahalu’u x2   
Lamb hass
Nabal   
Oro negro
Pinkerton x2
Queen   
Reed   
Sharwil x 2
Sir prize   
Sharwil or Jan boyce, lost tag
   
MANGO   
Ambrosia   
Coconut cream
Cotton Candy
Edgehill   
Edward-Angie-Carrie multi-grafted
Fruit Punch
Juicy Peach
Keitt   
Lemon Zest
M-4 (pending)
Madame Francis
Mallika   
Manila queen
Orange Essence
Orange Sherbet* (TT – Yes, I know all the history behind this. I bought it before I knew. I am willing to watch and wait )
Peach Cobbler
Phoenix   
Placid   
PPK   
Multi-grafted mango (pending)
Multi-grafted mango 2 (pending)
Multi-grafted mango 3 (pending)
Multi-grafted mango 4 (pending)
Multi-grafted mango 5 (pending)
   
SAPOTE   
Black – black  beauty
Black – reinecke
Green   
Mamey – pace
Sapodilla – Tikal
   
CHERIMOYA, etc
Cherimoya x atemoya cross
El bumpo (pending)
Fino de jete
Pierce (may not survive…)
   
GUAVA   
Bassateen el sabahia
Red strawberry
Variegated guava
   
PERSIMMON
Chocolate
Coffee cake
Fuyu   
Giant Fuyu
Saijo   
   
FIG   
Black madeira (pending)
Col de dame blanc (pending)
Col de dame noir (pending)
Green ischia
Ischia black (pending)
Kadota   
LSU purple
Panache   
Preto (pending)
Seedless Kadota
Violette de Bordeaux
   
CITRUS   
Mandarin

Algerian   
Daisy   
Daisy SL (pending)
Fairchild LS (pending)
Gold nugget
Lee x nova (5 of these)
Miho wase
Multi-grafted mandarin (Dange, Page, Kishu, Algerian, Dward Honey)
Multi-mandarin (budded July 2017 with take: clemenules, shiranui x 2, china s-9, okitsu wase), August 2017 pending take: sunburst and usda 6-15-150)
Pixie   
Ponkan   
Satsuma   
Shasta gold (pending)
Sudaichi   
Tahoe Gold
Tango   
Unknown mandarin (on property, great flavor)
Xie shan mandarin
Yosemite Gold

Kumquat

Meiwa kumquat
Nagami kumquat
Nordmann kumquat

Lime/Lime-like

Bearss lime x 2
Kaffir lime
Mexican thornless lime
Rangpur lime

Lemon/Lemon-like

Meyer lemon x 4
Multi-lemon (budded August 2017 pending take: limonero fino 49, seedless lemon, genoa lemon, limonero fino largo 95, femminello siracusano 2kr)
New Zealand lemonade
Ponderosa lemon
Santa Teresa lemon
Variegated pink lemon
Villafranca lemon

Orange

Cara Cara pink navel
Moro blood orange
Navel x2   
Robertson
Valencia blood orange
Valencia x3
Multi-grafted Valencia orange, bearss lime, pink lemon (one of my first trees, kept for sentimental reasons)

Other

Minneola x4
Rio red grape fruit
Oro blanco grape fruit
Australian finger lime
Yuzu   
Indio mandarinquat
Marrakesh limonetta
Dweet tangor
Ortanique tangor
   
STONE FRUIT
Multi: July elberta peach, fantasia nectarine, babcock white peach, Blenheim royal apricot, Santa rosa plum
Nectaplum – Spice zee x2
Cherry – 6gm25
Cherry – 6gm25
Cherry – Minnie royal
Cherry – Minnie royal
Cherry – royal lee
Pluerry – Candy heart
Pluerry – Sweet treat
Multi-peach: mid-pride, eva’s pride, Florida prince, Desert Gold, May pride
Donut peach x 3
Katy apricot x 2
Nectarine x 3 (unknown varieties)
Santa rosa plum
Multi-pluot: Flavor supreme, flavor queen, flavor king, dapple dandy
Multi-pluot: Geo pride, splash, flavor grenade, emerald drop
Multi- cherry plum: Delight and Sprite
Pluot – Dapple supreme
Pluot – flavor finale
Pluto – flavor grenade
   
APPLE/PEAR
20th century Asian pear
Hosui Asian pear
Multi-apple: Gordon, Anna, golden dorsett, fuji, Arkansa black spur (I think… 2 grafts took but I lost my label)
Anna   
Fuji x 2   
   
POMEGRANATE
Grenada   
Parfianka   
Red silk   
Wonderful
Yellow (not sure if this is the cultivar name, got wood at scion exchange)
   
MULBERRY
Black Pakistan
Dwarf everbearing mulberry
Pakistan fruiting (Cooke)
Teas weeping
   
BERRIES   
Bababerry raspberry
Blackberry triple crown
Boysenberry thornless
Fall gold raspberry
Goji berry
Olallieberry
   
BLUEBERRY
1 other type, lost the tag
Misty blueberries
Pink lemonade
Southmoon
   
DRAGON FRUIT
1 other type, lost tag, supposedly very good
Dark star   
Hailey’s comet
Unknown variety (Gift from friend)
Vietnamese white
Yellow   
   
OLIVE   
1 other type, lost the tag
Arbequina
Arbosana   
   
OTHER   
Cacao x 5   
Cinnamon
Elder berry
Miracle fruit x 2
Passion fruit
Peanut butter fruit

Mugenia

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 60
    • People's Republic of California USDA Zone 10
    • View Profile
Re: Advice on tree placement for landscaping project
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2017, 04:32:25 AM »
CA Hockey,

That's one helluva tropical fruit paradise. My folks have about 5 acres in Riverside area. They have as much tropical fruit trees as you do and their water bills are like $300-400/month. That's only drip system. They also have a pool. Crazy California...

I only have about 25 trees and massive yards right now. When I get home, I will plant some more fruit trees in the lower half of the hill, the front yard and in between rows. Possibly remove some of grass in the backyard and plant a row of sapodilla or something. I need some shades to keep the house cool in the afternoon and keep my electric bills low. Like you, I am also creating a tropical fruit paradise. Good Luck!!


 

Copyright © Tropical Fruit Forum - International Tropical Fruit Growers