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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wild Durian (Cullenia excelsa)
« on: February 26, 2015, 06:33:54 AM »
From what I read online, my understanding is that Cullenia excelsa, Cullenia exarillata, Durio ceylanicus, Durio zeylanicus and Durio exarillatus are synonyms.

According to online sources, Wild durian fruits are much smaller than what I found in the jungle. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Durio_exarillatus
The fruit shown at the start of my post weighed 0.72 kg (1.60 lb) and seeds were over 20 g (0.70 oz). The fruit just fit inside my palms held together. In fact, I found fruits larger than that on a tree! But, I was not able to get them down.  :(
Fruits shown in my previous reply (tribal boys holding a Wild durian branch with fruits) were relatively smaller. Seeds also were smaller.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wild Durian (Cullenia excelsa)
« on: February 26, 2015, 12:45:59 AM »
Collecting fruits from the wild:

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Lacmellea oblongata (Syn. L. grandiflora) is a strictly tropical, dwarf tree known as 'Chicle Muyu' in its native ranges (Ecuador and Peru).
Fruits are small yellow berries with thick skins and edible white pulp. Sweet milky sap of the thorny trunk is chewed or made into chewing gum.

The Genus Lacmellea comes under the Tribe Willughbeieae as the Genus Willughbeia. Any thoughts on the graft comparability between the two Genus?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wild Durian (Cullenia excelsa)
« on: February 23, 2015, 04:28:42 AM »
While Googling, I read Durio ceylanicus is a synonym of Cullenia excelsa/ Cullenia exarillata.
Though the descriptions and pictures match, some sites say that D. ceylanicus is found only in Sri Lanka!
Any thoughts?


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Vipin, we never even come close to 38 C in wet part of SL :)
Dear Rytis,
38C is the maximum recorded temperature here.
Usually, the summer time max. will be around 36C ;).

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In Kerala, we use Coconut leaves for shading young plants.
An additional benefit of using Coconut leaves is that this method helps in simplified hardening of younger plants as the leaves gradually degrade.





These are very good methods when you don't have access to wire and shade cloth and you have a lot of willing hands to help you. But when you are farming or gardening by yourself it's very difficult to maintain. A wire cage in our climate will last very many years, and can be reused for other plants as necessary. The coconut fronds break down very rapidly in our rainy hot climate and need to be maintained and replaced often.

Dear Oscar,
I am gardening by myself, no other hands for helping, and use this method for guarding seedlings from the harsh summer sun, 38oC ( 100oF), till monsoon.
When the monsoon arrives, I remove these shades. By the next summer, the seedlings will be hardened enough to survive harsh environments :).
How many hectares are you maintaining? How many other jobs do you do besides farming?
Our climate is very different: monsoon all year long. So you can imagine how fast those coconut fronds would break down?
Yes, it is true that this setup will easily break down. Also we should make sure that the bindings are strong enough to withstand winds.
I just wanted to tell that we are following this method in Kerala where we have distinct summer and monsoon and plenty of Coconut palms!
I can't advice on the best method to be used in the US or any other country; only wanted to share the method we use.
There may be countries, like Sri Lanka, with climate and conditions similar to us.

I believe this forum is for sharing (ideas and experiences) also, besides advices and solutions!

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In Kerala, we use Coconut leaves for shading young plants.
An additional benefit of using Coconut leaves is that this method helps in simplified hardening of younger plants as the leaves gradually degrade.





These are very good methods when you don't have access to wire and shade cloth and you have a lot of willing hands to help you. But when you are farming or gardening by yourself it's very difficult to maintain. A wire cage in our climate will last very many years, and can be reused for other plants as necessary. The coconut fronds break down very rapidly in our rainy hot climate and need to be maintained and replaced often.

Dear Oscar,
I am gardening by myself, no other hands for helping, and use this method for guarding seedlings from the harsh summer sun, 38oC ( 100oF), till monsoon.
When the monsoon arrives, I remove these shades. By the next summer, the seedlings will be hardened enough to survive harsh environments :).

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In Kerala, we use Coconut leaves for shading young plants.
An additional benefit of using Coconut leaves is that this method helps in simplified hardening of younger plants as the leaves gradually degrade.




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Decaying fruits smell horrible!!!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wild Durian (Cullenia excelsa) Seeds
« on: February 07, 2015, 12:42:41 PM »
No more seeds available.

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Yes, he sent PM with various options. I am currently bargaining with him ;).
He is a really nice person to deal with and he is very fast to reply.

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Actually both from the same family. But both have a different flavor. Willughbeia angustifolia has a sour taste, while Sarawakensis sweeter.

I prefer sarawakensis because I do not like the sour taste of angustifolia.  :)
Ok, thank you for the information.
Please provide the cost for seeds including shipping charges.

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Could you please describe both species?
In your opinion, which one tastes better?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wild Durian (Cullenia excelsa) Seeds
« on: February 03, 2015, 11:16:52 AM »
Few more seeds available.
8 seeds for $32 (including ordinary Air mail).

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wild Durian (Cullenia excelsa) Seeds
« on: February 03, 2015, 05:09:00 AM »
Seeds available for Trade/ Sale. Only limited quantity.
$13 for 2 seeds; $21 for 4 seeds (including shipping via. ordinary Air mail).
You can read more here: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=13891
Seeds are fresh and collected from the Western Ghat jungles; do not have any information about the germination rate.
The seeds are smaller than that shown in the link.
Please PM, if interested.

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Thanks you all for the replies.

I have Black sapote seedlings and the leaves look different in this tree.
The fruit easily fit inside the palm.
Thick shell and large seed; I dont think there is anything to eat in the fruit.
Photography is prohibited inside the park. Thats why I am not able to provide photos of tree and leaves.
Anyway, I will go there again in 2 - 3 weeks and will definitely take some photos.

Chances are there that it is D. malabarica.

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Sorry for not providing vital datas like picture of leaves, size of the fruit etc.
The fruit size is that of a small tomato and the fruit was unripe.
I found the tree in a park, with no label.
If I get another chance to be there, I will post some more details.
Thank you.

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?! :(

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Please identify this Diospyros species for me
« on: January 20, 2015, 12:34:30 AM »









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wild Durian (Cullenia excelsa)
« on: January 16, 2015, 06:48:01 AM »
Temperature falls below freezing, in winter, near the areas where I found the C. excelsa trees.
So, it may be the most cold hardy Durian relative on the planet!
Grafting to this rootstock may help to grow Durians in sub-tropicals and in temperate climates(of course, inside a green house)!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wild Durian (Cullenia excelsa)
« on: January 15, 2015, 11:26:18 PM »
According to http://www.bioversityinternational.org/uploads/tx_news/Durio_654.pdf,
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Grafting to other species : Experiments have been carried out at the Burliar
Fruit Station to graft D. zibethinus scions onto Cullenia excelsa rootstocks
(Anon. 1953b). Grafting onto Cullenia excelsa rootstocks in India has been
reported by Sundararaj et al. (1970). Tidbury (1976) tabulated results of grafting
experiments onto rootstocks of this species at the Burliar Research Station.
These results showed that approach grafts to C. excelsa rootstocks averaged
much greater growth than did grafts to D. zibethinus rootstocks. Grafting to
C. excelsa also contributed to earlier flowering. Unfortunately, no record of
actual success rates of grafts to C. excelsa rootstocks were uncovered in the
available literature.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wild Durian (Cullenia excelsa)
« on: January 15, 2015, 02:11:04 AM »
I also have information only from the internet that the seedlings can be used as rootstock for common durian.
The trees are not cultivated and are found deep inside the Western Ghat jungles.
Monkeys are fond of the flowers and seeds. According to the tribal people, flowers are edible and delicious.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Wild Durian (Durio exarillatus)
« on: January 15, 2015, 01:30:13 AM »
Flowers:

According to the tribal people, the flowers are edible and are delicious!

Fruits on the tree:


The fruit:

The fruit weighed 0.72 kg (1.60 lb) and contained 8 seeds.

The husk:

There is no flesh to eat!

Seeds:

Each seed weighed 20 - 25 g (0.70 - 0.90 ounce).

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Wild Star apple (Chrysophyllum oliviforme) seeds available for trade.
Few more seeds available.

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Wild Star apple (Chrysophyllum oliviforme) seeds available for trade.

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